For a company supposedly sitting on its near 70 million unit install base, Sony sure isn't slowing down. Just a month after ushering in a virtual revolution with PlayStation VR, the platform holder released the first ever iterative console model with the PlayStation 4 Pro; the bags under the eyes of the Japanese giant's employees say a lot about all of the thumb twiddling that it's been doing these past four years.
The truth, of course, is that PlayStation has never been content resting on its laurels – and we wouldn't have carved a career out of covering the brand if it had. PS4 Pro shows the organisation at its risk-taking best: it's re-shaped an already wildly successful product and augmented it with the power required to deliver 4K gaming – or there and thereabouts.
Of course, if you're looking for a review of the more affordable PS4 Slim, then you can refer to our PS4 Slim review through the link. Otherwise, read on.
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PS4 Pro Review: Why Does the PS4 Pro Exist?
There's no question that Sony's struggled trying to communicate the reason for the PS4 Pro's existence, but having spent a year with the system and chatted to various developers who've worked on it, we have a much clearer understanding of the platform's place in the market. The supercharged system has been specifically designed with boosting the original box in mind – it's not meant to supersede the existing unit in any way.
If the PS4 is a delicious cake, then the PS4 Pro merely slathers a layer of icing over it and pops a cherry on top
Think about it like this: if the PS4 is a delicious, wholesome cake, then the PS4 Pro merely slathers a layer of icing over it and pops a cherry on top. The new console delivers the exact same experience that you know and love, but it's elevating it to the next level by offering enhanced resolutions, more consistent performance, and – in the case of some games – new visual bells and whistles, like stronger shadowing and increased draw distance.
But it's important to note that the improvements – while occasionally large – are never game changing, meaning that the 70 million or so PS4 consoles already sold have not suddenly become obsolete. The PS4 Pro is designed to take high quality titles built for the existing model and then boost them that little bit more. So what kind of enhancements can you expect to find?
PS4 Pro Review: Can the PS4 Pro Run Games in Native 4K?
The headline feature for the PS4 Pro is its ability to render games at a much higher resolution than 1080p, which is enabled by its sizeable GPU boost and CPU upclock. There's been a lot of discussion about whether the system can render games at native 4K, and the answer is that it absolutely can; several titles like Bound and The Last of Us Remastered are already doing this.
But for the big-budget blockbusters like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare and Rise of the Tomb Raider, the manufacturer's come up with an alternative solution: checkerboard rendering. This is a nifty trick which is used to upscale content to native 4K without introducing the ugly artefacting and soft image quality that you tend to associate with such a technique. And it's quite remarkable, with some titles appearing native at a comfortable viewing distance – even when they're not.
This is a testament to the quality of the visual trick, but also a sign that we're rapidly reaching the point of diminishing returns when it comes to image quality. The fact is that Ultra High-Definition panels already boast such a ridiculously high pixel density that the dip in resolution is much more difficult to discern; you'd literally need to press your face up against the screen to see flaws in Horizon: Zero Dawn's razor sharp image quality.
While this may all sound like a big excuse, the truth is that the PS4 Pro is able to spit out some outstandingly clean images. Games like The Last of Us Remastered look reborn in 4K, with details that went missing in the standard PS4 release – and particularly its PlayStation 3 predecessor – jumping out of the screen. And demos of titles like Days Gone provide a hint into the future of what Sony's first-party teams will be capable of in 2017 and beyond.
PS4 Pro Review: What Is High-Dynamic Range?
But when you pair the resolution boost with a television capable of HDR or High-Dynamic Range, that's when the PS4 Pro really starts to come to life. This is something that Sony's really struggled to show off, and unfortunately we're only able to describe the impact that it has as well. It's essentially a fledgling technology which both increases the brightness and contrast of a set, but also enhances its colour range in order to make images appear more life-like and natural.
When toggling HDR, the difference is startling, with the standard visuals appearing bland next to their enhanced alter-egos
But how is this employed in games? Well, if you take a title like Gran Turismo Sport, for example, it's able to elevate Polyphony Digital's already outstanding lighting model to a whole new level. Meanwhile, fantasy worlds such as the one in Horizon: Zero Dawn suddenly leap off the screen, appearing more dramatic than ever before. When toggling HDR on and off, the difference is startling, with the already-attractive visuals appearing bland compared to their enhanced alter-egos.
It's worth mentioning, though, that HDR is not a feature exclusive to the PS4 Pro – in fact, it was patched into all existing PS4s not too long ago. Paired with 4K resolution, however, the jump in visual fidelity is stark, and while the quality of HDR televisions does vary wildly at this moment in time, it looks like it's going to stick around, with Sony's range of panels dominated by both UHD and HDR. The PS4 Pro is well prepared for the shift in television technology that's about to occur, then.
You can find a list of all PS4 HDR compatible games through the link, with titles spanning blockbusters like Assassin's Creed Origins through to indie games like Nex Machina.
PS4 Pro Review: Is PS4 Pro Worth Buying for a 1080p HD TV?
Of course, with all the chatter of new televisions, you may be wondering whether the PS4 Pro is worth purchasing if you don't plan to upgrade your existing 1080p HD screen. And the answer is slightly more complicated, but there are obvious improvements to be seen. Most of these at the moment pertain to image quality, but some games such as inFAMOUS: Second Son and Rise of the Tomb Raider have been updated with high definition televisions in mind.
The most obvious improvement across all currently updated games is supersampling. This occurs when an image is rendered at a higher resolution and then shrunk back down; it's a bit like copying a photograph from your digital camera to your computer, and zooming out to improve the clarity of the picture. Because the PS4 Pro is displaying games at a much higher resolution than 1080p, you end up with significantly sharper image quality on a high definition screen.
This means that things like jaggies and shimmering are practically eradicated, and if you're the kind of person that can't stand sub-1080p games on your PS4, then you're going to be thrilled with the clarity that supersampling brings forth. Of course, there are games as mentioned above that allow you to sacrifice the resolution bump for other features in high definition; Rise of the Tomb Raider, for example, allows you to opt between enhanced effects or a better framerate, which is nice.
But this does flag one of the flaws with Sony's new format: it's inconsistent at the moment. Because the improvements are ultimately down to a developer decision, there's no standard been found yet, and so some games leverage the hardware better than others. The addition of Boost Mode means that all titles now perform a little bit sturdier on the PS4 Pro, but in order to really take advantage of the hardware, titles need to patched specifically to leverage its horsepower.
PS4 Pro: Does PS4 Pro Improve PlayStation VR's Visuals?
Still, it seems that Sony has managed to convince most developers to jump on board, and that includes those making PlayStation VR games. While the hardware of Sony's virtual reality headset is fixed, there are some very noteworthy improvements made possible by the new platform. Generally, these work in the same way as on 1080p screens: supersampling means that games can be rendered at a higher resolution, and then scaled back down to the native resolution of the futuristic facemask itself.
What Are the PS4 Pro's Specs?
- CPU
- x86-64 AMD "Jaguar" 8 cores
- GPU
- 4.20 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon™ based graphics engine
- Memory
- GDDR5 8GB
- Storage size
- 1TB
And this is obvious in a game like Robinson: The Journey, which portrays a lush alien planet inhabited by dinosaurs and occupied by a shipwrecked boy. The density of the foliage really shines on the PS4 Pro hardware, and other titles like Battlezone appear much clearer on the new console. Obviously nothing can be done to change the shortcomings of the PlayStation VR headset itself, but the virtual reality experience is undoubtedly at its best on the PS4 Pro.
PS4 Pro Review: How Does PS4 Pro's Hardware Fare?
The console itself has proven divisive, of course, but we really like its triple-layered sandwich design. It's a minimalistic model, of that there's no doubt – but its size is large without being overbearing, while its weight has a heft to it that makes it feel premium in the right kind of way. There's an LED strip below the disc drive on the front, while a single silver PlayStation logo on the casing makes it standout compared to the black gloss of the PS4 Slim.
The PS4 Pro's size is large without being overbearing, while its weight has a heft to it that makes it feel premium
It's got some smart improvements, too. There's now a USB port on the back, which means that PlayStation VR owners will no longer need to position cables around the front and rear of the unit. Meanwhile, the fan noise – in our experience – is excellent, kicking up less of a fuss than our PS4 Slim when installing games from a Blu-ray disc. However, we have read commentary that contrasts this, suggesting that your mileage may vary yet again.
It's not perfect, though: the lack of a 4K Blu-ray drive will come as a sore disappointment for enthusiasts searching for an "all-in-one" solution, though it does boast 4K streaming from Netflix and Amazon Prime. The 'Power' and 'Eject' buttons on the front of the chassis are also poor, while the oversight which requires PlayStation VR owners to circumvent the Processing Unit if they want to take advantage of HDR is an embarrassing mistake – albeit one that's been rectified by the release of a revised PlayStation VR model.
PS4 Pro Review: What Are The Differences Between PS4 Pro and PS4 Slim or Xbox One X?
As mentioned earlier in the review, the PS4 Pro is a supercharged PS4, therefore it has many of the same features and functions as the standard PlayStation 4 – it just takes everything to the next level. For a more specific break down of the similarities and differences, check out our PS4 Pro vs PS4 comparison article.
As for the PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X, there are obviously larger differences, owing to the latter being a more powerful piece of technology. We’ve looked at all of the attributes of the two devices deeply in our PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X comparison article, but essentially it depends how drawn you are to the PlayStation ecosystem and how much you’re willing to pay for slightly better performance as to which one you should pick.
PS4 Pro Review: Should You Buy the PS4 Pro?
In summary, the PS4 Pro convincingly serves up some stunning improvements for a very competitive price. And that's without even mentioning the larger hard-drive size and support for 1080p Remote Play and Share Play. The reality is that this new console can do everything that the PS4 can do – but it can do it significantly better.
Thus, if you're in the market for your first PS4, then we'd recommend future-proofing yourself and plumping up the extra for the PS4 Pro right out of the gate. If you're a 4K television owner or an avid PlayStation VR user, then the upgrade is also a no-brainer. The question of whether you should buy the brand new box only becomes more complicated when pointed at people who already own a PS4 and have no intention of purchasing a new screen.
If you happen to fit into that bracket – which we're sure many of you do – then you must ponder one thing: how much does having the best PlayStation experience you possibly can matter to you? Supersampling means that PS4 Pro delivers the very best image quality possible on a 1080p set, and graphical options like those found in inFAMOUS: Second Son and Rise of the Tomb Raider are sure to become more common as the console matures.
If those things are important to you, then the PS4 Pro is a fantastic upgrade. And while the design of the device ensures that no PS4 owner will ever be left behind, enthusiasts looking for the very best PlayStation hardware may eventually find themselves succumbing to what Sony is describing as the future of play.
Updated: 15th November, 2017
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As always, any questions, please do let me know. I'll try to get through them quicker in this thread; I was too busy finishing this off to be active in the past thread, so apologies if I didn't get around to you.
Good review! Think you've cleared everything up! Looking forward to mine, would love to get a high end 4K telly to go with it but that will have to wait. Bring it on
Nobrainer. I'll get mine soon just for supersampled 1080p and VR. I hope its worth the 400€, although I'll sell my vanilla PS4 soon after and it will make up nearly half of the price.
the only game i'm interested in that would benefit from a resolution bump isn't getting ps4 pro support (battefield 4 - i'm a bit surprised that star wars battlefront isn't getting patched up either).. for the most part, the visuals in PS4 games have never been an issue for me. when i play on my 32" tv, it can be hard to see much difference between a clean sub-1080p image and a full-HD one to be honest. i also have 1.4tb of games on my current model, so pro would have to be considered a complement rather than a replacement, but i don't have a need for 2 PS4s considering it barely supports any media formats. i did eventually get a second PS3, so might get a pro eventually when the price comes down or bargain crops up.
From a technology side of things Sony have been knocking it out of the park these last few years. When PS4 came out it was scoffed at by some for being "underpowered" yet it was the only console to regularly offer full HD gaming. Then people kept doubting PSVR because PC's over twice the price of PS4 was needed for VR yet that was proved false. Now while Pro is going to provide full 4k for most title, the tech it's using to make up for that has made the likes of Digital Foundry struggle to notice the difference.
I confirm that vr experience is much better. Tried battlezone and vr worlds with pro patches and it's really as I thought it will be already on PS4 for it to look right .
Also ratchet and clank looks very very good really it's different story, but for me vr was main concern
Curiosity is that on PS4 I was unable to beat battlezone in 30+ games either solo or online. On pro I beated it my first game solo on normal without any bigger problem. So there's definitely some kind of pro aura around the system lol ) definitely looking forward for some esl games ))
@adf86 I agree. I know I'm biased, but I really don't think they get the appreciation they deserve sometimes. Practically every product they announce draws sceptics, and then when it actually delivers, those same people crawl back into the woodwork again.
And it keeps happening...
There was this one guy on YouTube who commented on every VR preview I did saying that PS4 categorically couldn't handle VR and I was lying about the demos I played. And now it's out, he's disappeared.
Love the title. Thanks for the laugh.
Nice review Sammy and some funny analogies, the title was great also.
I'm gonna assume these features will be in the next-generation PlayStation, which will probably also have 4K Blu-Ray support. All the games you can play on this you can play on the old model. I can wait.
Enjoyed reading this. While I still have yet to get a PS4, I'm not the kind of gamer who wants the best performance possible. I will say that I have been considering it recently, as more of a "why not if I can?" kinda thing. If I can get it, I might, but at the end of the day I'll just be happy to finally have a PS4.
To those who are looking forward to your Pros, I hope you enjoy them.
The best thing about ps4 pro is the price, at $400 its really hard not to upgrade especially if you can get a good price selling your old ps4.
@get2sammyb Yeah, I think every sony hardware is meet with sceptism, while others just show a cg motherboard and the internet exploded. Also, man I remember the first time hololens announced, according to commenter everywhere it's the death of everything, oculus, vive, ps vr, and yet now when it's out where's the hype? Some company just good at hype, others good at delivering it.
"competitors floundering for unfounded promises of the future"
Scorpio is real. And it's coming. And I don't think anything about that is unfounded. I'd suggest taking it seriously because Microsoft sure will be. They fully intend to bring the heat and you can bet that console, whatever it ends up looking like, is going to give Pro a run for it's money and then some.
If it wasn't for VR, I would have never given the Pro a second glance. $400 just for a minor graphics upgrade (if you sat a PS4 side-by-side with a Pro and played the same game on the same TV and asked somebody to tell the difference, I'm not too sure that person would be able to do so), just seems like a waste of money to me when I could use that to buy a separate console with access to new games.
But because VR will be made better, suddenly the Pro started looking appealing to me. Then I decided I absolutely must have it for the best VR experience, so I locked one down on preorder. Then I decided if I'm going to buy this anyways I may as well go ahead and get a 4K TV with it, and fully take advantage of everything that it offers.
And here I sit, a person who was never really interested in the Pro to begin with, now with a PS4 Pro and new 55" HDR 4KTV in transit to be delivered tomorrow. I don't really know what to make of that- it cost me an arm and a leg and all this right after $500 for PSVR and right before another $500 for Switch (willl need launch games).
I guess there's never really a good time to blow through $1000 on an upgrade lol. But at least it's a good upgrade.
does the pro has all the software features of the PS4 (i.e youtube, playing movies from usb, ect)
@JaxonH I don't doubt Scorpio will become real, but right now it's a 90 second trailer and some Tweets. PS4 Pro, meanwhile, is sitting under my TV... That's all I meant really.
Just got a nice fat bonus and am all lined up to buy a nice new TV and PS4 Pro... But need to take the family back home to NZ for Xmas... Dammit real life
My local video game store was offering £150 trade in for any good condition PS4 against pre orders for the pro. I thought that was to good a deal to pass up so I'll be picking one up on Saturday. Couldn't resist after I got a new tv a few months ago
@get2sammyb
Hi Sammy, loved all the coverage for the pro picking mine up Thursday, already been phoned by the store to say it's ready. The only question that hasn't been answered already I'm interested in is if remote play on my vita improves connections and quality.
Mine is on the way, will get it tomorrow morning hopefully (living in Japan)
Can't wait. I am trying not to play Rise of the Tomb Raider right now, but I started playing it a bit so I can later see if I notice the difference. Got a 65" 4K HDR TV, so let's see which mode I will play TR in. FFXV also pre-ordered and incoming on 29. November. I am so excited!
@get2sammyb "Practically every product they announce draws sceptics, and then when it actually delivers, those same people crawl back into the woodwork again."
PSP Go. Sixaxis. PS Move. PS Vita. PS Vue. PS Mobile. PS TV. 3D TV. People are right to be sceptical. Sony has a long history of dropping underperforming products like a stone, usually because they're so reactionary and ill-conceived. The peddling of the current holy trinity of PS4 Pro, PS VR and 4K TV is nothing new, though like magpies, early adopters will always swoop up the shiny new things.
Sure, they're nice and all, but Sony (IMO) has so far failed to illustrate why these are truly must-have items. It's possible the Pro will only confuse mainstream customers, relegating it as a niche item, like the New 3DS. Sony is fracturing the userbase by essentially saying the OG PS4 is... kinda good enough? But... not really?
PS VR, too, faces an uphill battle. Both Oculus and the Vive have cooled down considerably, and (despite being the cheapest option) I can't see many people spending hundreds on an add-on that promises some neat tech demos in exchange for an empty bank account, living room space and an ungodly amount of clutter.
The whole 4K push stands a slightly better chance. Essentially, Sony are 1:1 in the display revolution (yay for HD, nay for 3D), but again, the question needs to be asked; will people really see the need in making the leap? They were pestered into adopting HD a decade ago now, so I'd say it's possible (3D was just too soon, both market and tech wise).
@adf86 Are you saying that the Wii U and Xbox One don't regularly offer full HD gaming? Because that's not true. At all.
@Kage_88 The WiiU and XB1 regularly don't offer full-HD (1080p) gaming. it's very rare on PS4, and usually only on titles that aim for 60fps.
Yawn. Enough with the PS4pro stuff already. Your repeating the same tripe again and again. Im sure everyone has made their choice if it's for them or not. Me obviously not until my current ps4 breaks but ffs is there no games to review or something guys? Give the ps4pro and psvr a break or at least a section of it's own. I come here for NEW news and game reviews etc not reposts of the same info. If not stop at least slow down the 'hype' run your on ffs. Pls.
So I played more Ratchet and also Shadow of Mordor, Uncharted 4 and Helldivers (all are now patched already for pro) and my conclusion is if you have good 4k hdr tv or if you have psvr go for pro, its really big difference. If you dont have any of these and dont plan to buy it next year, pro is not so much difference and its not worth upgrade - in my opinion.
@fybyfyby Did you play it on a standard HD TV or just your 4K set?
@Kage_88 Yeah, that's fair. I certainly didn't mean to imply that everything they touch turns to gold, but some of the scepticism in the face of genuine hands-on impressions can be frustrating.
Like I said about PSVR, people were vehemently attempting to undermine my previews prior to release, implying that I was either lying or easily duped. But neither turned out to be true.
@TomKongPhooey It's a major new PlayStation launch, I don't understand why people expect us to not cover it.
@TomKongPhooey
So you come to a PlayStation site for news? Do you not think the launch of a new PlayStation is, you know, news?
@get2sammyb Because they are upset at Sony for rendering their current machine er.."obsolete" and are lashing out at other sources instead of finding a more appropriate way to deal with their frustrated desire to keep up with the Jonses
@kyleforrester87 I played on 4k (pseudo hdr) tv 49inch, one meter(circa 3,3 feet) from screen, but I also tried all options where available. I tried Shadow of Mordor also on 1080p with higher details(they call it favor quality), but I didnt see much difference. 4k was better for me because of more preceivable aliasing in 1080. It depends app from app.
I think as more games come, benefits of pro also for 1080p players will be more clear to everyone. Its remarkable machine. For me one and only one caveat is that in base mode pro is set and clocked like og ps4, so there is no benefit for old games at all like it is on pc if you upgrade. I understand it technically(read M.Cerny interview), but its a pitty. I dont mean any higher details, but some games (eg just cause 3) can drop framerate really hard, so any boost can help.
Every article on the site is about ps4pro or psvr thats all. All right we get it already they r being released. No need for every article to be about it. Surely Nov is a busy month for game releases also? no? Yeah I come to a ps site for news yeah no bother but ffs every article is just sticking stuff in ppl's gub again and again etc. Put them all together instead of inundating your site with repeated info.
@get2sammyb
Hello mate, i just wonder if i can use my Nyko data bank on PS4 pro, thank you in advance.
A lot of cry babies here huh. I'm excited to play old games and new, not many new consoles achieve that.
Do you have to transfer old PS4 data via cable or can you backup first and install to the pro. I have a 2tb drive on my PS4 so I've reduced data to under 1tb for the transfer process then plan to back up the pro to swap drives afterwards. Also prevents you from trading in advance.
@R-Fresh i think the backup and restore method works, but will be exceedingly slow, especially for 1tb of data, but if i recall correctly, you need to deactivate your current PS4 as the primary device and activate the pro as the primary one. you'll also need to format your external-HDD with exFAT so it will be recognised to allow you to do the back-up. if it's formatted with windows NTFS by default, it won't work. you could then remove the 2tb from the PS4, put it in the pro, reformat it and install latest firmware from a usb-pen drive then do the restore - assuming you're willing to take the risk of losing everything if the restore doesn't work.
@R-Fresh I tried yesterday to transfer all data circa 900GB from PS4 to pro but it showed so much time to complete , that I only transferred all but games circa 10GB in 15 minutes and then manually issued download games on pro from library.
You don't have to transfer the data. You can backup and then restore. It's up to you. Transfer is for people who don't want any hassle with USB drives and simply want to seamlessly literally push button and come when it's all ready.
Can not stand icing and cherry's leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
I will wait for Playstation 5 and purchase an 8K T.V in the meantime I will enjoy the same games as everyone else in low contrast because I prefer it that way and get myself a Nintendo Switch for sum reason that does excite me.....
Enjoy your Pro's on your 4k tvs (and we are being told better fame rate.........hahahahahaha that old chestnut) in all my years in gaming I have never had an issue with frame rates.....
2nd video 1 minute 32 seconds in massive improvement I do not think so something "shape shifted"
Being able to go back to old games I haven't played for years, and play them with nice new graphics is a great idea.
Does the UI run smoother than original PS4 units as mine chuggs and occasionaly pause when I pause a game and go online.
Great review! I decided to sell my "old" PS4 last week and has preordered the Pro instead. I have a 1080p tv so i probably wont notice much difference. I hope to see difference along the way, hope that remote play is better as it is a function I use often... and last but not least i hope the Pro is as quiet as you experienced Sammy
I'm not going to retread old ground with my feelings about the Pro (and Scorpio), but I would reword the paragraph where you say the new console delivers the exact same experience and then go on, in the same sentence, to list a series of improvements which kind of contradicts the beginning of the sentence. I think the general spin on that part is using fundamentally the same experience and not exact.
@get2sammyb Hey Sammy, thanks for the review !
I don't post very often but I'm a long-time reader and I want to thank all the team here for your good hard work. For example, you're the ones that convince me (and my brother) to launch ourselves on the adventure of the Playstation VR, and that's been a thrill so far.
Anyway, my question is : is there any chance that you, or someone of the team, can prepare a list of decent 4K / HDR TVs - at different prices and sizes - that you can recommand for playing with this new baby ?
I'm interested in changing my TV right now, but I feel that this is a real jungle. One second I think I found a good model, with reasonnable price and decent specs, the other, I find out that "meh the response of the screen is no good for playing" etc, etc...
I' m interested in PS4 Pro (so my brother, and some friends), but only if we get the right screen to see the real change.
Any advice ?
@Kage_88 Eh yeah Xbox One has often failed to deliver full HD games, there's many an article showing the comparisons between the systems.
@TomKongPhooey Is that you Napples
@adf86
@TomKongPhooey we are running a book over here and Napples is 1-3 on fav.
2nd fav madrox1030 at 3-1
complete outsiders blakey78 at 50-1 and @99miki at 100-1....
I rate Sony's mid-gen efforts here 10/10 (even tho I'm sticking with base PS4).
MS has nothing but vaporware and The Switch looks like a 'system' for casuals.
I usually enjoy Nintendo's offerings, but The Switch looks like a total trainwreck.
There's no BC (games or accessories) and without a HDD triple AAA games are out too.
When was the last time a AAA game came out without massive patches and DLC?
@Bobobiwan Hi, there is quite a good topic on the forum that goes into a fair amount of depth, I'd recommend you take a read of that
https://www.pushsquare.com/forums/ps4/4k_tv_recommendations
im tempted but my ps4 isnt that old & I just bought xbox 1 elite on sale from game
@adf86 Napples lol, so full of hate, the personification of vitriol
I think the Sony marketing buzz has or is working on me. I was not interested in the Pro, and probably having only a 32inch 1080p tv, I wouldn't be gaining much but now it is launched, looks cool and will tweak VR, I kind of want it. Which is sort of mad because it would be a superflous purchase when my current PS4 does what I want it to and my setup is not optimal for it. I do feel that I will become a second tier PS4 gamer without one, like all the kids having the newest sneakers in the playground.
napples? what?
@TomKongPhooey He was a really cool dude, but he don't come here no more :/
yeah im sure he was. I at least know when Im getting ribbed, just don't understand with what. Must admit tho, you get called out for a swear word on here but not a jot mentioned about getting picked on for posting an opinion on a forum. Like if I can't speak on a forum where can you speak. Speaks volumes really.
@TomKongPhooey Haha to be honest there's been a few moaners doing the rounds on here recently, obviously it's to do with the new hardware being launched and the articles not resonating with everyone. Not saying you are one of the moaners, but probably just best to wait it out if it's doing your head in, there's bound to be more articles like this over the next few days as people receive delivery of their new toys and want to talk about it Can't blame Push Square for capitalising on people's enthusiasm.
Oh I don't not in the slightest. I will get both things im crying about when needed. Im only irritated that Nov is normally the gaming industry big game release month but every new thread was about 2 things. 2 things that doesnt cater to all the playstation people. Like it or not this mid-gen rehash is dividing the community. This thread actually is fine it's the fact that this thread is an accumulation of the last 5 threads on ps4pro. I'll fek off now and leave you guys in peace to talk about the console generation break-up.
Language -Tasuki-
@TomKongPhooey Haha fair does mate, meant no offence anyway, hope you stick around - plenty of games releasing between now and Christmas, I'm sure there will be a ton of good coverage
I'm excited to pick up mine tomorrow, it'll be nice again to put a game in and not get yelled at by my console for not having enough space to install it. Hurray for not being chewed out by your own toy!
@vegeta11 Especially when it needs 10gb to install, you have 70gb free and it complains that there isn't enough :S
15 hours to go! =)
has anyone at pushsquare tested some older games with known performance issues to see if pro improves anything? can't find a lot of information on this anywhere. thinking of something like the division where the framerate can really chug when there's a ton of explosions/effects going on. i suspect it doesn't which makes it even less worthy imo if you're not interested in investing in 4K.
@leucocyte It was mentioned in another article, the second GPU is apparently turned off, so no performance increase on older unpatched games. That said there may be benefits from the better CPU? But I think it's generally safe to assume there wont be any difference.
Went to GAME this morning to do a trade-in. They couldn't test my console as needed more people (will happen later) but it's important to know that factory reset is not enough, you need to log out and then do it. Once they get round to testing it they will give me a ring to give them the password to my account (sic!) so that they can do it. Thought someone could find it helpful.
Of course, this means another trip to the store later as I haven't got the console.
Interesting review and I find myself distinctly in two minds about the PS Pro. If there was a good upgrade deal I would undoubtedly take it, but as someone who is trying to decide between VR and the Pro I think my leaning is definitely towards the former. The flaws of the Pro are really frustrating for me - the lack of 4k Blu-Ray being the main downer. I'm half tempted to just wait for the inevitable next version, but then the lure of an upgraded FFXV and The Last Guardian is very tempting.
I just wish it had a PS3 in it so I could upgrade. I am not abandoning my PS3 games for a new system and the fact that all my digital games would be gone as well just infuriates me. I was hoping in addition to all the bells and whistles it would have had those PS3 capabilities as well
@get2sammyb Is it possible to transfer games like PT FFXV Episode Duscae and FFXV Platinum Demo from a regular PS4 to a PS4 Pro via ethernet transfer?
@AG_Awesome So you're never gunna get a new console? :S (Your PS3 will still work as normal by the way lol)
@xXDibbs Yes, they should copy across without issue.
@kyleforrester87 Nope. Though Sony mostly lost my good graces when they stopped supporting the Vita.
And my PS3 won't last forever. I would have rather upgraded to a PS4 than buy another PS3 when it dies... And how is that an lol? Or am I one of those people who foolishly forgot I can't have an opinion that doesn't warrant mocking? Shame as I have been a long time customer of theirs (PSX, PSOne, 2 PS2s, 2 PSPs, Vita, PS3).
@AG_Awesome I laugh because you said you would be "abandoning" your PS3 if you got a PS4. I replied advising that having a PS4 wouldn't result in your PS3 to suddenly stop working and become useless. Of course you're entitled to your own opinions, as am I.. It's my opinion that you should get a PS4, because they are bloody good
Anyway, carry on..
Sitting in Cafe Nero waiting to pick up my Pro (trading in the old one through Game's £174.99 offer). I've done it mostly for the potential VR improvements, but my Pioneer TV is over 6 years old now, and when it goes 4k will obviously be on the cards, so it seems a no brainer to me.
It looks much better in real life than in the pics. 10gb transferred, another 748 to go! It's taking about 14s per gig, LAN.
@kyleforrester87 yeah, i thought i'd read something similar. but the each of compute units on pro's GPU is now clocked at 911MHz, compared with 800MHz on the regular PS4. seems a bit daft if GPU cores are purposely limited to 800MHz unless the game has a specific 'pro mode switch'. play an older game with performance issues, and people might wonder where's all the alleged extra power that's sony's main selling point.
@leucocyte Totally agree, it seems dumb and is a bit of a shame but it's not going to impact on me too much as its future titles I'm more interested in. No doubt there are some legit reasons as to why it works like that.
£332.49 at Tesco, picking mine up after 3pm tomorrow after ordering online today. I had £17 worth of Clubcard Vouchers in the system so put them to great use
@leucocyte I asked this in another article, but it wasn't answered. Found the answer on Eurogamer though, they tested out Project Cars as part of their Pro review and reported back there was absolutely no difference between the Pro and PS4. I think when the Pro runs in base mode everything is clocked back to PS4 levels on top of switching off half the GPU, so without a patch to tell the game to run in Pro mode there will be no difference in unsupported games. If you read closely in this review there is also a brief mention of this in the sentence
"Titles also need to be patched in order to take advantage of the specification boost; this is to maintain compatibility with the console's library, but it means that many big games like Bloodborne and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt see zero improvements."
Tempted to pick one up, but not straight away.
As bad as I want one I can't justify getting it when my PS4 is still running good. Maybe if the Scorpio and the Switch weren't coming out next year I would get it. With those too coming out though and having a PS4 I don't see a point.
I'll probably get one at some point but without a 4k TV right now I don't see enough improvement to justify it...
Updated with new information.
Checkerboard it out, more 4K information! I own a Pro and a fancy T.V. to go with it. I'm generally happy with it, unless somehow I'm playing a Nintendo game instead.
Got mine to be a pro bro
I upgraded to a 4Pro around July and have a 4K tv that isn't compatible with HDR10. While not getting the "full experience" it's mostly been a mixed bag. HZD does look great on it, but this still feels like a small upgrade, something that your general gamer likely won't notice.
And maybe this is more OS-based but my system has been laggy while games are suspended, something that didn't happen with my base PS4 just 5 months ago.
If I could do it over again, would likely opt for the 2nd revision PS4 (uses way less power usage).
I don't have a 4K monitor, so I can't justify the expense to upgrade my PS4 to a Pro. If I wanted to buy a new console, then the Switch would be my first choice.
@kyleforrester87 In what way is the PS4 obselete i get all the games and it works great.
@AG_Awesome Keep your PS3 and get a PS4 thats what i did although i never play on the PS3 anymore.
@Flaming_Kaiser I wrote that a year ago so had to read it again myself... but anyway you're misinterpreting what I said at the time. Read through all my comments again if needed.
If I could marry my ps4 pro I would
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