Soapbox: I Can't Believe How Many Cool Moments Final Fantasy VII Remake's Final Trailer Spoils

i swear you're just trying to find things to complain about now, it was a trailer, Rufus showing up wasn't an issue everyone and their mothers knew he would be in the game, same with the Hell House

the Barret thing granted was confusing but out of context didn't mean anything and as for Zack, well the ONLY reason we know it's Zack is because we have played the game otherwise it could just as easily have been Cloud

in fact i would say your article has given more away than the trailer did because you actually spelt out what everything was where as the trailer was vague about everything

@FullbringIchigo What? This article is in defence of the game. How the heck did you come away from it with this reaction?

Final Fantasy VII Remake has SO MANY amazing story moments and this trailer outright ruins them.

The article's even got a bloody spoiler warning!

What are you on about?!

Whoops, shouldn’t have read this article. I’d say the spoilers I’d already heard about reduced my interest in the game loads though.

I'm a little baffled that there even needs to be a spoiler warning for a 23 year old game that looks prettier. Did they change the story?

@SnackBox yes

I feel like people who haven’t played won’t have a clue what the trailer is showing, and people who have played it will be excited to see how these things have now been realized in the remake. 🤷‍♂️

I didn’t watch anything until I played, I am so glad! Trailer is dumb

@ShogunRok you know a spoiler warning isn't going to stop anyone reading it (which you only get AFTER you have opened the article), this is the internet

but the thing is the trailer had no context to those scenes or events but your article has given them that context and thus could actually spoil things for people, like i said the only reason we know that is Zack for example is because we have played the game and seen the ending otherwise looking at it blind you would see a person with the Buster Sword wearing purple and most likely assume it was Cloud, we all knew Rufus was going to be in it because the game covers the Midgar section and we know that's when Rufus is introduced, we already knew Sephiroth was going to be here because we had seen it in other trailers and it was in all the marketing materials so it's not a big deal

the Barret thing like i said was confusing but again as i said out of context didn't mean anything, the Hell House was also a enemy from the original FFVII (and also been in other FF games too) so it being in the trailer wasn't an issue, i knew it was going to be in the game because of the trailer but i had no idea how and it was still surprising when it ended up being a boss in the Colosseum

the game is a remake for many people none of this trailer spoiled anything, again it's about context and the trailer had no context about any of these scenes, this article gives them context and that actually spoils these events more than the trailer does

like i said you know by the very nature of people and the internet that this article is going to be read regardless of how many spoiler warnings you put

the trailer wouldn't have made any sense to people who never played FFVII it would have just been all flashy and exciting and to people who did it was full of little moments showing us just how much they have put into this and how big and grand they are trying to make it

i think you're just looking for something negative

@AG_Awesome I see where you're coming from but Remake (and this trailer) shows stuff that wasn't in the original game.

No one knew the Hell House was gonna be a surprise boss fight in a brand new tournament story arc, yet the trailer spoils it completely. And Barret certainly doesn't get stabbed in the original FFVII. It's one of Remake's biggest twists (although it's short-lived) and the trailer just shows it without a care. It's crazy.

@FullbringIchigo I gave Final Fantasy VII Remake an 8/10 and I've played through it twice. Yet I'm looking for something negative to write about, so I write about a trailer that I believe ruins key moments of what is often a jaw-dropping experience.

I give up.

@ShogunRok that's not what i meant, it's like every time Square does something right with a FF game the only things people seem to want to talk about is what things they did wrong, the trailer didn't ruin anything, if it had shown the entire Colosseum segment then yes it would have but again like i said context, i watched the trailer and i never once thought "oh great that just spoiled the entire game for me" all i saw was a trailer showing off the game

now i know someone is going to say "well you a FF fan, you're biased" or something but i'm saying this AS a fan and as someone who has finished the game, the trailer doesn't spoil a thing because there is no context behind what is happening in the trailer by giving the events context, by explaining them is what spoils it

@FullbringIchigo Look, I'm sorry if my replies came off as a bit aggressive — I do know where you're coming from. But I just don't like it when someone dives straight into a comments section and throws around the old "you just hate this game" argument when it clearly isn't true.

On the topic of the trailer, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Like I say in the article, I didn't watch this trailer before playing Remake. It was amazing seeing Rufus again. I was blown away by the fact that the Hell House was a surprise boss battle. My jaw hit the floor when Barret got skewered. I damn near lost my mind when it cut to Zack standing over Midgar.

If I'd seen any of these moments in this trailer before playing the game, I feel like their impact would have been greatly diminished, regardless of the context. Having them be completely fresh made them mean so much more, at least in my opinion.

Hopefully you understand my argument a bit better now.

@ShogunRok Well from that aspect of it the issues with the trailer giving away surprises is pretty fair then. That’s why I try to avoid the later trailers that get released. Especially with films. Lol. Horror movie trailers in particular tend to ruin everything.

@ShogunRok oh i get that and sorry but when it come to writing things i'm not great at putting my thoughts into words i either tend to ramble and make no sense or not write enough and make no sense

but back to it and can't the same thing be said with any trailer for anything or a write up or even a poster, i order to sell your product you have to advertise, in order to advertise your product you have to show it off and by showing it off you have to spoil something right?

@FullbringIchigo I think the fact the game’s called Final Fantasy VII Remake gave the assumption that this game was in fact a remake. The trailer showing major changes to the game rather defeats the point of the ‘reveal’ that the game’s actually a middle-aged man’s headcanon instead, eh?

I read a while ago that data shows that the more spoilers are in a movie trailer, the more effective it is. Interest goes up dramatically after a spoiler-filled one than it does after a spoiler-less one. It seems most people (not me, though) want to see highlights in advance before committing to a film or game and get their enjoyment from seeing what leads to it rather than from going in blind and being surprised, or trying to figure out what will happen next.

On a different note about the Hell House enemy being the daftest enemy, I read this theory that it's a monster that's disguised itself as a house since it's in the slums where housing is a problem for many so it's trying to lure in poor and homeless people. Kind of like the witch having a candy house to lure in kids in Hansel and Gretel. Here in Midgar, though, a simple house is enough of a lure.

@Matroska that might work but i always thought it was a robot

but then again why would someone build a robot to look like a house?

Moral to this if you not see any spoilers...Don't watch the final trailer at all!

Square has gone full on sicko mode and I am here for it. They do not care about anyone's feelings anymore, they are doing this for themselves .

@ShogunRok I don't think you understand what a spoiler is....this trailer spoiled nothing.

@SnackBox yes, yes they did. They said they did before it was even released. This is not a remaster. It is a REMAKE.

@ShogunRok okay, I see this everywhere I go....Zack is in the game?? OMGWTF!!1.....Zack was NOT in the game in the sense that everybody assumed. That was a Flashback to the scene where Zack and Cloud were trying to escape Shinra after being experimented on for 4 years. Same scene from the original game, just a little more towards the end of it. Nothing more. I'm not really sure why everyone keeps reading something else from this, it is a little odd to me.

To me its only spoilers for people that have played the original. Like, we know whats going on in the trailer. But people that havnt played the original wont no when a lot of the events in the trailer occur. It did show some new stuff but with no context so....

The trailer that showed the Jenova fight was more of a spoiler for me than this trailer

That's why I don't watch it when pushsquares says there's spoiler

@Matroska that's all well and good, but ultimately irrelevant, but this trailer is completely spoiler free. This article is one of the stupidest ones I've ever read. This kind of article makes even Fox News look intelligent by comparison.

@ShogunRok I know it must be annoying to write an article only to see people complain about it immediately. Thing is, @FullbringIchigo is right that there does seem to be a lean towards negativity about it. Not total negativity but this negative twist.

You can say this article can be interpreted as complimenting the game since it's only since the story is so good that spoilers are so bad - but then why not write an article about how great the story is instead of how the trailer is a travesty? If Cloud usually seems like an interesting, developing character but he goes "from hero to zero" in that one quest (which he doesn't, and I know Liam acknowledged that in his update to the article), why not write about the times you liked him or his development instead of a time you didn't? I mean, it's the opposite with Dreams (which I do like, by the way); you naturally write articles about how good some of the creations are instead of how awful most of them are - how weird would it be if it was the other way around?

Not trying to badger you about it, just explaining why I think some feel this way. 😃

@Matroska I think the only Dreams I’ve properly played are Wallace & Gromit memes despite having it for months. That being said, we both know the ending, there’s absolutely going to be a backlash and for good reason imo.

Well, If it's called the final trailer, chances are it will have spoilers in it. I never watch launch trailers for games I look forward to playing.

I just watched the video and read the comments. Still no idea what's spoiling the game for me.

I just want to smash in Sepiroth and his ugly mum.

Robert: Square spoiled so many things of the FF7 story with that trailer!

Mass Effect 1 & Dragon Age Origins Trailers: Hold our beer.

What's the point of more than one trailer anyways? If the trailer sparks your interest, read the review and if it's good get it. No trailer react, analysis etc... everything's just set out to trend and create buzz in the most unnatural way possible.

Also, to be fair, showing Zack there isn't necessarily a spoiler. The ghost things swirling around Midgar confuse things but that isn't at the same time it's happening to Cloud and friends. It's night in Midgar at that point. And in the original, Zack does go near Midgar with Cloud before dying. It's a missable scene but you see him die after telling Cloud to take his sword.

@tameshiyaku So they can release several over time leading up to the release. And also to focus on different things, like for FF8 you could have a romance trailer, a trailer showcasing world design, a battle trailer etc.

Glad I stayed away from all the trailers!

I honestly dont get this obsession about spoilers, it's really unhealthy. ultimately it's their game that they are creating and they chose what to share with us. if you cant enjoy the experience because you know fractions of what might happen, without the proper context even, there is something wrong with you. Either consume the media they put out and try and enjoy it, or dont give them your money.

@Matroska like when they included a disc with the Platinum version of FFVII that showed of the entire Dance Scene as a trailer

These soapbox articles are reeeaaalllly looking for things to complain about.

Well ive played the origional (nowhere near to completion) and completed the remake and id have been pissed if id watched it get revealed that Aerith was an ancient and to be fair after watching the hell House fight id have known exactly when it was coming as it was shown in the coliseum so that would have taken the surprise out of it. Also they wouldnt show one of the main characters getting killed off in a trailer so you would (hopefully) work out Barrett doesnt die. So yes, to me this trailer is a spoiler.

@nessisonett Why though? I thought the ending was awesome, hell the remake in general has surpassed the original in many ways. Having said that though, it seems to me a lot of people really are trying to find ways to complain about the game.

@RayNick The Compilation is pretty much reviled, Advent Children isn’t exactly widely loved either. When they announced a remake, fans were expecting to have at least the same story, not some meta Kingdom Hearts-level timey wimey nonsense. Nomura really doesn’t have a good track record with keeping on topic, or at least creating a cohesive story. Perhaps when FF7 Remake 2.5 Fukkitus Est Uppitus releases exclusively on smartphones with Cloud and co reduced to chibi sprites within gacha mechanics, we can really get the answers we’re looking for.

@FullbringIchigo completely agree with you here. Showing things that were in the original game is not a spoiler. Rufus was obviously going to be in the game, hell house was shown in earlier trailers briefly and again we know what it looks like from playing ff7. I watched this trailer before the game came out and the Barret bit made me go "huh, that's interesting." Other than that I thought "HYPEHYPEHYPE". Watching a trailer after already beating a game and having all the context has skewed your view here I'm afraid. You wouldn't even know these things were spoilers (which let's be honest almost none of them are) unless you'd already played the whole game. And as posted above the Zack thing could be cloud or anyone really you only see a leg.

I remember the Mass Effect trailer showing every major plot point from the game but you wouldn't really know that until after you'd finished it.
The moral of this story is that Femshep is awesome.

@RayNick I also liked the ending. The whole changing destiny story thus altering things which happend in the origional parallel universe was pretty cool to be fair. Means that no character is safe in this story despite how the origional played out. Keeps things fresh and exiting imo.

@nessisonett >The Compilation is pretty much reviled, Advent Children isn’t exactly widely loved either.
By whom? The only people i know who completely despise it are puritans of the original, cause otherwise, they fit the world of ff7 really well. The only hiccup would be Dirge of Cerberus, and even that isn't horrible, just mediocre.
>When they announced a remake, fans were expecting to have at least the same story, not some meta Kingdom Hearts-level timey wimey nonsense
pal, we've known it was a reimagening for a while know, the whole i didn't know what i was getting myself into doesn't stick. Also, people sure are quick to cry "TiME trAVel NUUUUUU" when it could be just clairvoyance on Sephiroths path, and the arbiters being the AC trio could be a fanservice thing.
>Perhaps when FF7 Remake 2.5 Fukkitus Est Uppitus releases exclusively on smartphones with Cloud and co reduced to chibi sprites within gacha mechanics, we can really get the answers we’re looking for.
Know you are just spouting horrible KH memes from people who hate that franchise, so i don't really think you had an unbiased look on the game going in in the first place. As other people have said, if you really like it, one small segment like the ending (which really isn't any different from every other FF) wouldn't affect you that much, otherwise the original is still there, no one takes that away from you?

@RayNick I actually love the Kingdom Hearts franchise, I was let down by 3 though. The overall game has been pretty decent and my gripes don’t start and end with the plot derailing itself for no reason. I want to love the game but there’s a real level of jank, bosses feel like damage sponges, there’s 0 exploration to be had, there’s about 4 weapons a character, it takes about 40 years to upgrade individual weapons manually etc. If the game had another 6 months in the oven, most of those issues could have been fixed. There just wasn’t a reason to even connect this game to the original, why even call it a remake in that case? Look at other successful remakes in recent years like Shadow of the Colossus and Resident Evil 2. They updated the core mechanics of the game and in RE2’s case, actually changed the overall gameplay much like FF7. Both stand as remakes, not new entries in the series because that should be what a remake is: a reimagining of the original which retells the events. It’s a shame because a lot is good about the game but there’s a wealth of issues and the plot changes feel entirely unnecessary when the other 20 hours of the game have sufficiently bulked up the original’s content. I feel this might just be a way to avoid having to recreate the sheer amount of content post-Midgar has in the original. This way they could turn the rest of the sequels into corridor mapped linear hack-and-slash games just like everybody’s favourite, XIII.

Double lolz! No I cannot think of anything else to type.

@Matroska I don't most people want to see them, but rather that when they see them they become more interested.

@nessisonett the original Midgar was very linear as well though, did you really expect to have the whole of Midgar explorable? Then that really would have been filler hell, since there is absolutely no reason to explore more. Also, no, a remake isn't a 1:1 with updated graphics, where did this phallacy come from? You remake it from scratch, that's a remake, then you can either follow it 1:1 or don't. Funny you mentioned RE2 and SOTC, but didn't include Medievil (which i enjoyed btw, but maybe it didn't help your narrative), or maybe you forget that initially there were people who had gripes with both Sotc and RE2R. Small gripes maybe, but still people found someting to cry about, and claim the originals were better. Again, you are quick to judge how insignificant or not important or whatever the changes are, when the story still isn't over, and after reading you were let down by KH3, i assume you are one of those who let their own hype ruin their experience and cried afterwards like so many others about how they didn't listen. Plus, no it doesn't take 40 years to upgrade the weapons at all, it barely took me a few hours, you are over exaggerating it, to justify you not wanting to like something from the beginning. Making the most linear part of the original, limited as well, doesn't mean the open world that is to come will be linear as well, not anymore than what it was in the original as well.

@RayNick "Plus, no it doesn't take 40 years to upgrade the weapons at all, it barely took me a few hours"

I take it you mean you've only upgraded them once, then? They keep on going beyond that. You can't fully upgrade them without finishing the game, getting to max level, and doing some chapters in hard mode. I don't mean buy every node, I mean to even get the last set of nodes to open up. Though his complaint that there's only 4, I can't agree with. There's 6 per character and because of the customisation there's technically hundreds of variations. Plus, in the original game characters had 16 weapons in the entire game and only 1 or 2 in Midgar.

I totally agree with you about the linearity, though. Not only is it actually less linear than the original Midgar, including some mutually exclusive scenes that you can only see once per playthrough, the entire original game is largely linear. The problem with XIII that nessisonett brings up isn't fair since the problem with XIII was more lack of towns. The whole of FFX was a big corridor too but it had towns and lots of NPCs to talk to so you don't feel it as much.

@Matroska my bad, i thought we were talking about the weapons exclusive abilities, but i have completely upgraded their stats as well, and even that wasn't a big task at all, so it still a big exaggeration.

@RayNick i just added a bit to the first paragraph. Have you done that? Unlock all nodes?

@Matroska yes, i've completed the game on hard mode as well

@RayNick Well I'd say that does take a bit of work since you need to complete the game, max level and do a few chapters in hard mode to get them all to level 6. I actually don't mind that, though. It's good to have something to work towards.

@Matroska To be fair, it wasn’t just the upgrading weapon bit that feels glacial, the actual animation that plays when you go into the menu makes me want to bash my brains in. Was it really that difficult to let you change weapon inside the upgrade menu with a tap of the trigger? It’s such a tiny inconsequential gripe but it does my head in 😂😂

@Matroska meh, i found it very natural on my way to the plat, which i still haven't got because i forgot the dresses trophy, but it's not that long if you compare it to other JRPGS, especially Tales and maybe Persona. Now that's grind hell.

Spoiler ridden disgrace? Ok that title sounds way too negative for me.. I thought the trailer looked awesome. And most of the moments you call spoiler, I just felt happy recognition 'cool the house is in it too'. I always respect a different opinon, but you really feel so negative about that trailer??

Thank God I didn't pay much attention to it then, the trailer was bad, honestly...confusing, cringy moments made me "wtf" so I didn't pay much attention! I am still on chapter 3 and even chasing the cat was kinda cool lol so I'm hyped for more..

@ShogunRok What is considered a spoiler? If you consider any information presented without context, then you can't watch or read anything because it's going to reveal something.
In the trailer, you refer Rufus was spoiled, but how? He is not called by name, and there is no context of who he is or what is his motivation other that we are going to fight him.
Only people that played FFVII know who he is.
Zack is only identifiable if you have play FFVII Crisis Core and notice that Zack carries the Bustersword in his back with the edge down.

In my opinion, the trailer doesn't spoil for players who never played FFVII.

That's a much better title.

Nice title. It attracts attention without being overly negative.

@ShogunRok All I can say is that you have sensitive nature. My jaw never drop seeing Rufus or Zack, and the trailer did not spoil anything for me. It was just a normal trailer.

@Axlroselm @HungryWolf So you guys don't consider seeing the Hell House reimagined as some nightmare monster boss or seeing Barret get killed by Sephiroth spoilers?

Each to their own.

@Matroska Thanks, I changed the title because in hindsight it did seem overly negative.

I believe there is a lesson to be learned here... Don't watch every single trailer that drops on the internet. The same goes for movies.

@ShogunRok I actually agree with Ichigo. Your article is taking spoilers to that next level, with maybe the one instance of Barrett dying being the only exception (albeit, the fact that it had no context doesn't really make it a spoiler).

The remaining complaints were moot as the original game had all of them in it, so I can't see how these can be prescribed as "spoilers", when they are in fact elements of the original game.

Thanks for the warning. I’ve deliberately not read the article or any of the comments. Willpower is not normally a word in my vocabulary.

The people crying over the trailer not spoiling the game and attacking the article need to really take a chill pill.

There missing the whole issue at hand what the article is about. Loads people didnt no the game had changes. Loads people only assumed Hell House was in the game, intact some people even question how S.E. was even going to put Hell House in the game. The ending with zack is from crisis core. Unless your played it prob not a clue who that guy is or what was about to happen there, or even infact what should have happened at the end of that.

The trailer spoiled bits of the game it didnt need to. The game already had hype enough built up from people who loved it and wanted the remake anyway. I see where S.E. was coming from eith this trailer tho they trying to bring in people who loved the game but didnt really think it needs a remake by showing them some things to wheel them in. By showing barrett getting stab people will be like hang on wtf, that different how? What? Why? And be more interested in the game. Showing of Zack peeks even more interest and showing of hell house to all the people hoping it makes it into the game some how will help to.

Yes there reasons behind why SE did all this, but same time people on here crying about this article being waste of time or the trailer didnt spoil anything when it did just need chill out and prob press the delete button on there account since they dont like the news here. Simples

Glad you changed the title still I think the article is a bit of over-drama that I'm not really used to seeing on pushsquare but if you felt so angry it's your right to write about it. Have a great day mate.

@HungryWolf you know what always got me with that about Zack having the sword the other way (i know it's because he uses the flat of the blade so it doesn't get damaged) it's that surely if he runs too fast he could cut the back of his legs open

seems like a bit of a safety hazard to me

@ssppiikkeeyy Your comment made me chuckle. People should delete their accounts because they don't agree with the opinion that the trailer was a spoiler?

Part of the reason so many people love this site is the fact that it doesn't want to censor peoples opinions, which is how it should be.

Your perspective, and comments remind me of news based gaming sites such as Kotaku, who only want people who agree with them posting.

Echo chambers are rarely good news sites, mainly because they won't ever take points on board from their community. The fact that there are people who disagree means that not everyone believes it was a spoiler, therefore, there is room for discourse.

95% of these opinions are based off of perspective, and funnily enough the world is a big place, and that means a lot of differing perspective. It's better to embrace those differences, and see other perspectives (you don't have to agree with them), than to lock yourself into your own opinion and never broaden it. Sometimes a well reasoned point can lead you to (at the very least) come to some sort of understanding for others views, in turn giving your a much more well rounded viewpoint.

Dont want spoilers dont watch trailers. 😆

Wow one minute 37 seconds in you are completely right that trailer was nothing but spoilers

Gonna agree with the article on this one, this is spoilery as all hell; even as someone who played the original this showed a lot of things I didn't know were in the game, as well as things that were, but I still wish I hadn't seen (like the Hell House). When your initial experience with something from a game comes from a trailer, rather than the game itself, then there's a problem with the trailer imo, and while it's not like it's the first (or last) to do this, that doesn't change what it is.