
With the launch of the PS5 Pro now just one day away, Sony has lifted the embargo on hardware reviews of its new and upgraded console. Below you'll find a selection of verdicts from reputable and trusted outlets, all sharing their thoughts on the PS5 Pro.
The general verdict is positive, with reviewers praising the console's new features like PSSR and how the performance and quality modes of the past feel blended together for the best of both worlds. While the high pricetag is a kicker for a lot of verdicts, there's general agreement that tech enthusiasts will get their money's worth out of the PS5 Pro.
As for our PS5 Pro review here on Push Square, we're set to receive a unit on release day. As such, please look forward to our verdict arriving at some point early next week.
Techradar - 4/5
The PS5 Pro is a superb console and now the best PlayStation 5 machine available. The advancements are glorious and bring a new level of immersion and beauty to games, while also boosting performance levels to offer fluid and smooth frame rates - at the same time - offering a clear advancement over the base PS5, and will be perfect for those enthusiasts yearning for more from the camps of fidelity and performance. The increase to 2TB of storage and the inclusion of Wi-Fi 7 are very welcome and make tangible operational advancements too.
However, the headline graphical upgrades aren’t truly groundbreaking and if you’re not a PlayStation fanatic or graphics obsessive then you can likely skip the Pro. Plus, the exclusion of a disc drive and stand, despite its position as an enthusiast console, is disappointing. But if you have an eye for detail, want to be at the bleeding edge of console tech, and want to get the most out of this PlayStation generation, then the PS5 Pro is the console to get.
IGN - 7/10
The visual quality that the Pro-enhanced performance modes have thus far look fantastic, and it’s all the more enticing because hitting 60fps gives a smooth gameplay experience that’s tough to come back from. I’ve also found performance modes on the base PS5 to be lackluster in some cases, and since the Pro has shown the potential in addressing that shortcoming, I find that the new console can be a worthy investment.
For a lot of people, playing at 30fps isn’t necessarily a dealbreaker, and if you’re happy with that level of performance you might well be happier with a few hundred dollars still in your bank account.
And the Pro is a hard sell for anybody who expects a whole new experience when they unbox a brand-new console. The PS5 Pro doesn’t fundamentally transform how games are played, it just makes them look prettier and run smoother, and if you’re happy with how your games look and play on a base PS5 then it’s absolutely not worth paying a premium to upgrade.
GamesRadar - 7/10
The PS5 Pro only suits its price tag in niche circumstances, but it does deliver on its promise to improve both graphics and framerates. That $699.99 / £699.99 MSRP is still difficult to justify, particularly to those using a standard living room setup with a 50 - 65-inch TV. Those using a large display or a monitor are going to feel the benefits more keenly - especially if you have the funds to stay at the cutting edge of tech.
Polygon - No Score
Considering that the PS5 Pro costs $250 more than the most affordable PS5 slim model (and $300 more than a Sony-refurbished PS5), this isn’t an upgrade to be taken lightly for current owners and newcomers alike. It’s also not an upgrade that will scream “new” to PS5 owners in any way. The UI is exactly the same throughout, and the Pro is too subtle at times with communicating its benefits.
As time goes on, how much better the PS5 Pro is compared to the base PS5 will eventually fade into the background. Instead, how the PS5 Pro stacks up to the always-evolving state of PC graphics in 2025 and beyond will be a much more interesting — and telling — sign of whether it’s worth your money.
The Verge - No Score
The kind of person who should buy a PS5 Pro is the kind of person who doesn’t want to muck around. They’ll want the best console gaming experience money can buy, a large OLED display to go with it, and a plan to park themselves real close to that screen.
Ars Technica - No Score
Back when the PlayStation 2 launched, I distinctly remember thinking that video game graphics had reached a "good enough" plateau, past which future hardware improvements would be mostly superfluous. That memory feels incredibly quaint now from the perspective of nearly two-and-a-half decades of improvements in console graphics and TV displays. Yet the PS5 Pro has me similarly feeling that the original PS5 was something of a graphical plateau, with this next half-step in graphical horsepower struggling to prove its worth.
Maybe I'll look back in two decades and consider that feeling similarly naive, seeing the PS5 Pro as a halting first step toward yet unimagined frontiers of graphical realism. Right now, though, I'm comfortable recommending that the vast majority of console gamers spend their money elsewhere.
GameSpot - No Score
What Mark Cerny and the engineers at Sony proposed to do in the PS5 Pro reveal has been achieved to a degree. The gap between how a fidelity mode looks and the way a performance mode plays and feels is smaller. Having a technology like PSSR and a machine-learning chip in consoles is also impressive. But, for now, all of this is only exciting on paper; it's not enough to recommend over the alternative, cheaper options. And, ultimately, there is still a choice to be made between better visuals and performance, just with a less noticeable trade-off. I hope that one day the PS5 Pro really shows off what it can do to elevate games, but for now, this is a console you should get only if you've got cash to spare and just want to know you have the latest version of the console. For everyone else, a standard PS5 will do just fine.
What do you make of these PS5 Pro reviews so far? Have they convinced you to buy the console or stay away for now? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
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I am sure this comments section will be civil....
Not enough in it for me to upgrade at that price. Fair enough for anyone that does though. Looks a handy piece of kit.
I do not regret buying a Pro, I see it as a investiment until the PS6 comes out which is 2028 at the earliest.
For me it was a simple equation. I had the money I wanted to have the best experience.
I love the visual fidelity of the base PS5 but have become accustomed to playing games at 60fps. If we get the best of both and possibly a bit more as the cherry on top I'm happy.
As for any comparison to PC, I explored my options there and ultimately came back to the same conclusion, that for now I just want to play games on console and the Pro is the best place to do that.
BRING ON TOMORROWWWW
Will the ps6 potential be the ps5 pro potential that we never saw just like we never saw the base ps5 potential ?
Woke up to a email mine has shipped. I'm off work tomorrow and will be pacing the floor waiting.
I am really looking forward to getting mine. I don’t currently have a PS5, but I do have games in my library (I had planned to buy a PS5 previously but never got to it). So for me personally I think it is worth buying. I understand though that for anyone with a base PS5, it probably isn’t worth it.
The only review that matters is Digital Foundry not that i needed a review from anyone anyway. Mine was dispatched earlier this morning so not long now.
I was saving money for the pro, but 920€ with the disc drive was a stop for me. Good for the people that will get it, but that money is half of my budget for my next gaming PC.
I am very, very excited to receive mine tomorrow. I did also upgrade my 8 year old TV to an LG OLED, which might end up being the bigger update, but the Pro will also bring a lot to the table. I've had the disc drive and vertical stand here waiting since pre-order day.
Can't wait to get mine!
For me it is exactly the same deal as the PSVR2. A nice piece of kit and a no-brainer if money is no object. Arguably worth the money given the tech but for most of us the price tag is just too darn high to justify it.
I was torn on this since its announcement but being able to play in performance + quality mode is like a dream. I’m day one’ing and selling the OG. Totally get this is an incremental improvement to most so respect for everyone sticking with OG. I wonder if the Pro Wi-Fi 7 will help Portal performance; might be an interesting bonus.
Im going to preemptively rant a bit. Before everyone comes here telling this is unnecessary. It is unnecessary. So are a lot of things.
The whole PC graphics cards space is based on incremental upgrades to get a little bit more out of ur games. Is upgrading to a RTX4080 to double your FPS and get a bit more ray tracing necessary?
Nope, but there is an audience for it. Sony is just catering for people on the console side. There is also an audience for the Pro, people who want that little bit of extra performance and graphical fidelity.
What people keep forgetting is, that this machine is not just about playing all those sweet titles that have come out these last years. Its rather to take u through the 2nd half of this gen. Without needing to compromise much in graphical settings, cause we know some games are going to get more graphically demanding.
So thats why Sony is giving this option. Cause 4 more years with just the equivalent of an RTX2070(base PS5)is a long time, this way Sony gives you the option to atleast be a bit future proofed.
Again, its just an option. Your base console will still do fine. Look at the PS4, which many argue is still doing great and in some cases not even worth upgrading.
Now before all the comments flood in about this being unnecessary, maybe let people decide for themselves what they want and stop b*tchin about other peoples decision. And thats from someone who didnt buy one.
PS Direct.
Mine has been despatched and is on its way.
Will probably get the DPD delivery text tonight or first thing tomorrow morning.
It’s nearly Christmas 🎄
I have the money to buy a Pro put aside but i'm happy with the Base Ps5 atm and the price wasn't worth it for me. That's mostly based on the games i play atm like YS Nordics, Metaphor, Vampire Survivors etc. A lot of the games that are enhanced i've already completed as well. I do hope everyone that decided to buy it straightaway enjoys it though.
The problem of PRO is, base console is good enough, i mean much better than what PS4 was 4 years after release. 😛
Even though i got enough money to buy it, i hardly see any reason to do it, aside from FF7 Rebirth and this is thanks to Square being lazy to improve base PS5 version.
Pretty much as expected in all honesty.
Reading between the lines they pretty much all say that if you've got enough disposable income and want the very best that Sony has to offer then by all means treat yourself, if your slightly on the fence however and put off by the price, save your money as it isn't a massive leap over the base PS5
That's what I took from each review anyway
@LogicStrikesAgain What you are forgetting though is what this means for consoles going forwards. Yes the PS5 Pro is only an option and most of us can happily ignore it and buy the base models instead, but the fear is that this sort of price point sets a precedent as to what the base PS6 is going to cost. If Sony feel they can get away with charging 700 quid for a digital only console (be it Pro or otherwise) you can bet they will translate that to future generations and that is where the trouble begins.
Mine just dispatched.
I think the odds of it arriving a day early are slim, but at least it's a guarantee for tomorrow.
Cancelled my order. I might revisit a purchase further down the line. I’ll probably save it for the switch 2. More than happy with my ps5 atm
@Ooccoo_Jr
That's my fear as well... After previously buying a PS4 Pro id already decided very early on that I was probably never going to buy a PS5 Pro (this was long before it was officially announced and we knew the price)
But it really does worry me that if enough people actually buy this it will make Sony think they can get away with these prices or even higher for the PS6.
Obviously I want Sony to do well but a small part of me secretly hopes that this thing bombs so that they get a wake up call.
Before anyone tags me in a comment, yes I know it's an enthusiasts model and not aimed for the masses..... yadda yadda yadda etc
FFVII and F1 2024 are the titles that sold the console to me.
They both look extraordinary and I can't wait to play them on the PRO !
(Edit : Oh, and the Monster Hunter beta, too. The way the game looks in performance mode really made me believe that it is designed with the PRO in mind. But I can be wrong.)
Looking forward to it - my first PlayStation since PS3. Lots of games to catch up on!
@Member_the_game
It’s similar in the TV market
You can buy a very good 65” QD-OLED for just under £2000 or the Sony A95L for £2800.
Is it better yes and if you look enough you can tell especially with Sony motion and upscaling.
So it’s the same with PS5 Pro really.
I am still excited to get the pro. If I didn't have a 55" 4K TV with hdmi 2.1 and VRR I might give it a pass, but I'm a sucker for having the latest gadget so it was a bit of an easy sell for me. I do value graphics a lot and so I am happy to pay for that improvement.
@Member_the_game they can’t get away with higher prices.
They know pro is targeting maybe 10million MAX of which are enthusiasts.
The ps5/6 has to target casual market who won’t pay those prices.
Plus there is a huge cost difference between producing 10m units and (potentially) 100m.
All will depend on devs how much they will optimize and make use of it. The hardware on its own will not be enough. So on this I am skeptical.
One question guys, if anyone would know, I have the base ps5 and TV sony 49 X950H, hdmi 2.0. I think that same games are smoother when I check on youtube. I try to see if the TV is the problem and if HDMI 2.0 is the problem. But i think the 2.1 is only for 120hz. Or I am wrong?
@Member_the_game
Totally I get your point. But they manage to survive in the TV market doing the same.
Where the competition is tougher.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
Only time will tell when the PS6 eventually comes but I hope to god that you're right.
Seems like there’s faint praise, but it’s a non-essential upgrade. I’ll wait for PS6… if there’s a gaming line-up worth having for that console. The odd thing about this generation is that “graphics” have hardly felt like a focus at all, so I am glad that the Pro is at least bringing visual fidelity back into the discussion this generation. Hopefully solid performance will be back in the discussion now too.
@Member_the_game I don’t think it will be less than £500 but it won’t be pro prices.
Well MY future is about 4 years from now with ps6^^
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
Id be happy with anything between £500 - £600 myself.
I'll sit in the middle and guess at a launch price of £550 (if your theory turns out to be correct of course)
@Ooccoo_Jr I respect ur opinion and its a legitimate worry. But its not that im forgetting that point. I just dont think it will happen.
I think Sony themselves see this as a niche product that isn't intended to be sold to the masses, but only to a smaller group of enthousiasts. Having that past experience and seeing how much the PS4 Pro sold. They probably couldn't justify subsidizing this mid gen console, if they expect it to sell way less.
I think the next console, will be subsidized by them again. And although it will be subsidized, i do expect the next console to come in a bit higher in price than base PS5. Just cause of inflation. I know we would all like it, but consoles cant hover around the $500 mark forever.
Obviously this is all speculation. I agree with u and also hope PS6 wont go up in cost that much.
I’d say double the framerate and adding ray tracing isn't really marginal. But yeah maybe for most upgrading from a base PS5 would see less of an upgrade.
But you have to remember, that there are people who are upgrading from PS4 or PS4 Pro. Heck, people may even be buying a console for the first time. Theres a whole market out there besides existing PS5 owners.
For example, i just bought my first Iphone ever. And its the Iphone 16 Pro, a phone many say is hardly worth upgrading to because its only marginally better. But by saying that, they ignore the fact that you don't know which phones people are upgrading from.
Roll on tomorrow night 7pm I clock off for 4 days 😎
Can't wait, got my text too that it has been dispatched, my base model arrived around 7am so I am hoping for the same again please DPD
I swear ign. I have no idea why they bother with reviews. Even consoles are getting their infamous 7 score.
IGN: "For a lot of people, playing at 30fps isn’t necessarily a dealbreaker, and if you’re happy with that level of performance you might well be happier with a few hundred dollars still in your bank account."
Yeah, just keep playing your PS4 Pro...
Picking mine up tomorrow after work
Still no disc drives available though...
Looking forward to getting it, hopefully arrives tomorrow.
@Feffster Soo many great games to play for the first time! Enjoy!
It's plain and simple.. it's more powerful and it's been four years. Upgrade if your gonna upgrade if not stick to the base
If this can do gta6 at decent resolution and 60fps it might be worth getting as I’m fairly confident the base model will only be capable of 30fps. If gta6 wasn’t timed console exclusive there’d be absolutely no reason for me to get one as I have a very capable pc. I only use my base ps5 console for exclusives and thankfully Sony spend the time properly optimising their in house titles.
@Bobobiwan But F1 2024 looks and runs about the same as on the PS4 Pro (targetting 4k-ish visuals at 60fps) so I'm surprised you found that a selling point?
The strongest console on earth gets 7/10. What a time to be alive.
@BowsersBuddy You’re right man! Maybe i read your comment too quickly and misunderstood the intent. I’ll go ahead and remove your tag on my previous post and make it a separate comment instead.
I had a PS5 on launch day, and barring delivery issues a Pro tomorrow - it was an easy choice once I had watched the DF video after they had seen it running & had footage (well apart from the lure of PC which is my go to option if sub 60fps becomes an issue).
Future proofing for the next 4 years is important, and I both can easily see and appreciate the upgrade in footage.
@Nexozi - thanks buddy. Can’t wait to get stuck in.
Excited for Friday when mine arrives but which game shall I boot up first to christen it? 🤔
@sanderson72 Have you seen the Digital Foundry video about it ?
Ok, sure, I guess when we come down to that territory, there's a lot of subjectivity that interferes but... I found this video SO BEAUTIFULL ! The ray-tracing implemented, while keeping the 60 fps, just blew me away... way more than GT7, a game that is supposed to be a selling point.
I guess I'll see it from myself, and with my very own eyes, tomorrow, so... maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But honestly, this PRO version really, really seems to deliver. The DF guys even say in a podcast that, to their very surprise, it was the most impressive game they've seen on the system.
I'll sure be posting my own impressions soon in the comments, for those who care ^^
And a glimpse at PS6 price range...
@Shinnok789 I honestly think the PS6 will cost less.
I think that this particular model of PS5 is targeted at the very enthusiastic / hardcore fans of the brand. Like the PSVR2.
It will be really interesting to see the sales, in a couple of months.
Maybe the PS6 will be sold at 600/650 €. Cause it has to attach to a maximum number of players, and very fast. The PS6 won't have the luxury to be... well, a luxury. Which the PS5 Pro is. It is a luxury.
But in the meantime, I can definitely see Sony sell it without the drive, exactly like the 5 Pro.
So, yeah. 650 € without a drive. Almost 800 with one. But maybe the disc drive option will really have become irrelevant, at this point (2028 ? 2027 ?). We'll see.
From the teardown video the components inside don't look twice is expensive as the regular ps5
@BowsersBuddy Thanks man, appreciate it! I am thinking about selling my PS5 and buying one, but we’ll see.
@Mikey856 same here just got lucky with a four day weekend the week it ships!
@WizzNL I mean PS6 is 2028 in theory and GTA 6 is 2025, not what I'd call close.
@IamJT I booked this week off months ago, not gonna complain that it aligned with this haha
I'll save up that money to get a pc handheld with one of those new low watt/high performance AMD chips and maybe an egpu dock for when I hook it up to the TV. My gaming time at home is so limited. I hope Sony will eventually make hybrid consoles as well instead of something as unimaginative and overpriced as the pro.
@LogicStrikesAgain The other thing I have noticed a lot online is that the crowd shouting loudest that consoles are poor value compared to PC GPU's are the die hards who upgraded from a 1080 > 2080 > 3080 > 4080. Which costs far more over a shorter span of time.
@Member_the_game the pricing of future machines is a concern, but I think it fair to say the pricing of everything in general is a concern. Over on Team Green their refreshed consoles have increased, the same happened with the Switch and as economists have already stated when the minimum wage goes up in the UK it will 100% just be pushed down the line onto goods and services. I think the PS6 will probably land at about £550-£600 for the base model in 2027. However when that happens we will probably also be looking at the top end GPU's pushing £2000 with the way Nvidia is going, so the PS will still feel like a bargain.
I wasn't going to get one but I had about $300 in Amazon gift cards and Im selling my ps5 for $300. I'll pay the $100+ for an upgrade.
Most of these sound apathetic to the improvements and downright pessimistic about the price.
This was only ever an option for those of us who notice such things, say %10 of owners?
I was always going to buy it, I can no longer play games at 30fps on my new telly and always want the best. Compared with PC's where I've spent thousands upgrading with little benefit, it seems like a bargain.... but everyone will have their own equation.
As for value - compare this with a $600 new Xbox Series X, which is exactly the same machine as its always been, but with no disc drive and 2TB, and this is positively good value.
"However, the headline graphical upgrades aren’t truly groundbreaking and if you’re not a PlayStation fanatic or graphics obsessive then YOU CAN LIKELY SKIP THE PRO. Plus, the exclusion of a disc drive and stand, despite its position as an enthusiast console, is disappointing..."
He sounds like somebody I know...oh yeah, me. And that came from the review with technically the highest score.
It's a cool midgen refresh with the tech it has, just really expensive for a console.
Well this quote from 'The Verge' has just about sealed it for me.
I'm 3m from my 55'' LG OLED.
'Find your favorite seat in front of the TV, then measure the distance between your head and the screen. Now measure your screen diagonally. Do you own a 65-inch or 55-inch TV, the most popular sizes? Do you sit 10 feet away or more? Then no, the PS5 Pro is probably not worth $700. Not even if you have 20/20 vision like me. The improved visual fidelity just isn’t tangible enough at that distance.'
I just saw this on reddit and whilst a minor thing, I really like the look of it.
Background option for the welcome screen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJHp2m43E
I am so happy I got the PC I did.
While the TFLOP doesn't mean anything like it used to, it's still a loose gauge of raw performance. With the PS5 Pro being 16 TFLOPS means a PS6 will probably be like 32 TLFOP and my Nvidia 4070 Super is 35 TFLOPs.
Plus, it already has AI technologies like DLSS, Frame Generation, and Ray Reconstruction. All similar technologies that will probably be added to a PS6 (but obviously not Nvidia's variant).
My AMD 7800X3D and 32GB of RAM will also be more than fine.
Bottom line: Not only am I covered through the rest of this generation, I will be covered through next generation as well.
I will probably need to lower settings for "next-gen" games as I only have 12GB of VRAM (and I am sure 16GB of VRAM will be the ideal target), but I don't predict absolutely needing to upgrade components until the generation after next. I don't run games at 4K anyways, which helps a lot on keeping VRAM levels lower.
I’m starting to think Sony launched this just to fill a hole in their games line up. 😂 74 comments on a gaming website and basically the only game I see mentioned is GTA 6. Oh and FF7 Rebirth once, neither of which are Sony 1st party. Meanwhile Sony is selling a Fortnite bundle for the holidays, with or without a disc drive, but not with the Pro.
Sure, Sony has put out a mid-gen refresh every console they’ve ever made going all the way back to PSOne, so this was always coming, but it’s releasing now. Not alongside Ghost, or Wolverine, or Concord.😝 What games would we be talking about without 3 articles every day about Pro? And before that Portal. And before that PSVR2. And those shiny cover plates. And colored controllers. Sony is releasing nearly as much hardware as games these days.
I’m happy for those who can afford this, but I’m practically regretting my PS5 purchase as it is. I’m not, it’s been 4 years, but the fact is the thought “Did I really need to buy this?” should not be entering my mind 4 years in. Mostly everything I’ve played has been on PS4, the rest maybe I just wait for PS6?
So while the timing is probably just a coincidence, Sony is basically a hardware company to me at this point rather than gaming. 🤷🏻♂️
I am going to get it, but mind you I am still on my PS4 slim. Always wanted a PS5, now it is time for me to pull the trigger.
So looking forward to it!
Though I can understand people not going for the upgrade if they already own an PS5.
Completely insane to me that the pro Model still has the limited 32gb hdmi 2.1 bandwidth. This means lesser color output as well as more limited vrr range compared to the other box and pc when using applicable modes.
Why wouldn't they address this limitation?
So to summarise. It’s good but not worth the money if you already have a ps5.
@WizzNL You could be right, Rockstar are pretty adamant about 2025 but of course the potential is there. I don't personally see Sony bringing the PS6 launch that close, I mean they just don't have a massive amount of incentive to have it that soon, I don't personally see this generation being shorter than the last one for them.
But who knows you could be right and if you're happy for the 3 potentially 2 years, I don't blame you.
It's also a sneak peek at the PRICE of the PS6.
Waiting to get mine from Walmart so I can get that 10% discount!
@armondo36 I don't believe that will be the case, I'm not confident the market will be accepting of the mainstream console touching those sort of prices, I mean at the very least it would need to include the disc drive etc from the get go if it was to be close to the £699/$699 price point.
This console won't sell big numbers and they know that, a PS6 has to sell big numbers to justify its existence and unlike the phone market which has accepted such high costs for devices, I don't think the gaming market has that same level of commitment.
@Ooccoo_Jr Not saying this will or won't happen, you could be right. But saying for sure this is not the way they are currently thinking about the PS5 Pro. Of course they could change their mind, but everybody knows very well in the industry there are certain price points you cannot cross for mainstream appeal devices (something PS5 Pro is not).
When Toyota launches an expensive sports car, they don't think it means they can increase the price of their price of entry model. different audiences different strategies. What will most likely set the price of PS6 most likely is price of Switch 2 and XBNext.
@jerrylongbones trying to remain intentionally vague, but there are many things that can impact decision to launch a new model. Like you say, previous generation lengths, for sure, but let's not forget competition (when should Xbox launch, and how much advantage will PS tolerate), sales of current device (if you currently sell well, why create a new model, if you're not....) and tech availability. I'm actually thinking this could be a short generation despite tech availability; PS5 Pro AI approach is kind of paving the way for it...
@LowDefAl Thanks mate. It has earc and i have the sound bar there. I am just wandering of this smoothness i see on others. But yeah, i will not change tv just yet eventhough i want vrr.
@Medic_alert exactly the same for me
It hasn’t been released in my country, so I can’t even consider buying it, even if I had the money. But happy gaming to anyone who is getting one. I wish I could afford one soon.
@LowDefAl definitely not banking on it at all, just saying that would be the only possible reason for me to entertain the idea of a ps5 pro. I’m fairly confident that both sequels to ghost of Tsushima and death stranding will perform absolutely fine on my base ps5.
With regards to gta6, I will probably be waiting for the pc version as I have a far more capable 7800x3d cpu.
@Kalime78 definitely some good points there, I don't think Sony are too worried about Xbox having any lead though, its already proven that people don't buy based on what is more powerful and since PlayStation is the market leader by a considerable margin, it will continue to be the primary platform to develop for so most games won't take full advantage of anything truly next gen about the next Xbox. Also bare in mind cross gen is here to stay, which also limits incentive to make a release sooner when we'll probably still be getting PS4 releases for major games still in 2027/2028, let alone no end in sight for PS5 releases.
The problem I have got with all this rubbish talk.
Is this notion that 30fps was the only option?
Like we didn't have a performance mode with many many titles which wasn't that far of the quality mode in performance mode.
It's like saying the spiderman performance ray tracing mode didn't exist.
Or that the games looked so bad in performance mode, most of the game when your actually playing and not just staring at the graphics can't even tell the difference anyway.
The ps4 to ps4 pro was a huge jump in respect to 4k and the checkerboarding used. This has been used on the ps5 and it's like it doesn't exist and the only option was 30fps.
I'm not saying all but 99% of the games I have played, have played flawlessly in performance mode and the difference between quality and performance was already minute (my-noot) when it came to the actual graphics. Most studios were already using their own form.of checkerboarding or dynamic resolution to get the performance mode and some games even offer 120hz mode.
I'm all for the pro, me personally for the gains, it is not worth the price tag.
But what bothers me with alot of these reviews are pointing at this 30fps like it was set in stone and the pro is above and beyond.
Alot of the games which will benefit are the ones who just can't seem to.optimixe their games well and really there is no excuse for that.
My preorder is with Amazon uk. Down as delivery on Friday. No contact from them yet.
@IamJT Enjoy my friend!!! What game you going to try out first? I’m going straight for GT7 as its my comfort game and I want to see that RT 😂😂
@OldGamer999 Sony’s highend TVs have always been competitive. The thing with electronics and one typically always gets more if they pay more. The only this is objectively if it is worth it to someone for any said product.
I fully anticipate reviews from the gaming and hardware media for the next series of NVIDA graphics cards to be 7/10 or lower given that each one is a very incremental upgrade.
So tempting ughh. Maybe early next year. Gonna sold my base fat ps5.
@jerrylongbones all fair points, but don't underestimate the XB360 trauma ^^ everything you describe is basically saying Sony should be complacent. Last time they did that Xbox bite them in the ass (Xbox was barely registering as a competitor, and almost won the generation by launching 360 cheap and early, while everyone was thinking PS2 is so strong, PlayStation can wait to launch PS3). At the end of the day, there are many things that can make this go one way or the other, but the launch window considered goes from 2026 to 2028 ^^ I think everyone expecting 2028 basically means: Xbox just dies slowly without reaction, or they patiently wait for next gen while losing huge amount of money in the meantime. (they have already announced they will launch a meaningful next gen and AI could allow them to do this much earlier than later). It also means that in the very likely event that Xbox does launch early, PlayStation will just sit and watch like they did in the past, forcing them to completely revamp they market approach with PS4.... I think they've learnt their lesson.
@LowDefAl It's not just about tech, actually it's not about tech anymore (Series X being more powerful and all). It is about capturing gamers, and believe me if PS lose their coveted hardcore high spending audiences to Xbox, because they launch a shiny new XB 360, PS will have to react, whether or not they had plan on a longer gen to recoup their investment. I'm all in belief that this will be a short generation and have lots of insider info that suggests so. But of course, who know, everything can change in a lot of direction, it could be 2029 for all we know ^_^ The trump card being Switch 2, this is the most unknown variable I believe.
Either I can't notice ray tracing or I just don't care but I hardly ever see a difference when it's enabled. Happy with my old ps5.
I'll stick with my PS5 and 4080 for now..
@Kalime78 well if we follow tradition for Nintendo their next console will bomb like a Lancaster. But who knows, maybe it’s time they bucked that trend
@Mikey856 every two consoles right, but wait GameCube (loved it, but not very succesful) followed N64 (not succesful)... and SNES followed NES both huge successes... So the serie is actually (1= win, 0 = lose):
1 1 0 0 1 0 1 ...
(NES - SNES - N64 - GC - Wii - Wii U - Switch)
There are multiple answers, but for me the logical next one would be a win to start over the cycle
1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1
NB: Reviewers didn't have to pay £800 for one
Anyone from the USA’s order from PS Direct still say preparing to ship? Wondering if it’s just an overnight shipping for it. My payment is still pending so I’m assuming that’s it and it’ll still arrive tomorrow
@Kalime78 yeah it just seems to be hit/miss/hit/miss/hit/miss 😂😂
@Lyedecker RT has a lot of potential but is very overrated. From a dev perspective instead of manually lighting the scene to look good as intended, it lets them place actual sources of light and a physics engine basically simulates the path of real light photons as they travel through the world. It can improve the authenticity of light from an actual light source, and improve the casting of shadows and reflections because it's a simulation of the travel of real light, vs lighting the scene like a movie set with a bunch of individual lights to light each area, ultimately, the result to the player may not look all that different, a well lit scene is a well lit scene regardless of it it was manually arranged lighting or a simulation of a real source of light. It has most of its potential in its ability to speed up development by just placing lights in a space rather than manually lighting scenes. But for the player, the actual difference, assuming manual lighting was well done, won't really matter much. It's a bit of a gimmick having people invest in super expensive hardware to run super complex light tracing simulations, mostly to normalize it to pave the way for future development to be able to remove the lighting step. While it does look "better" side by side it'll rarely ever be enough to look remarkably different. Even as a 4090 owner, I can say it's a "nice to have" but mostly overrated thing. For players today we are much more affected by raw non-RT performance and resolution (and scaling.)
@Kalime78 of course but I just think the market is in an incredibly different position now and Sony has much more mindshare, Xbox has lost so much of the respect people had for its platform, and everything they release to a degree will now be on Playstation anyway. The only way it would go the same way the 360 did is if the generational leap were to be similar, which it won't.
This isn't the jump from PS2 to PS3, games releasing when the new Xbox comes out will have no issues running on the PS5, unlike before when they would have to make bespoke PS2 versions of games due to the hardware limitations.
I also do feel Sony are a little complacent at the moment, a lot of their business decisions in recent years have been pretty garbage and anti-consumer but they have the hold on the market and Microsoft isn't the threat it once was to them. I definitely could be wrong but I'm comfortable in my belief they will hold to the assumed roadmap for the next console.
Don't think I'll upgrade to a Pro since I'm doing just fine with my digital PS5. I'm not that sort of person who wants the absolute best so I'll definitely be skipping the Pro for now.
@CWill97 mine shipped a few hours ago
Got mine early in Mexico! Just finished installed Veilguard but so far looks like the update isn't live. Performance and Fidelity modes remain the same so will have to try something else.
By the way, I thought the plastic legs for horizontal mode were missing, but somehow they got in the outer box of the bottom of the box. Look for them there if you can't find them!
Will this come off like Sony's PS3? Are we too far into what should have been 3/4 of a product console life cycle, without a pandemic? Do devs have to put in the effort to make this a worthwhile investment? Does that effort rely on adoption rate?
If this came with disc drive, I think it takes off. The fact it doesn't even come with that, or a stand, but costs more than a standard PS5 with a disc drive, this may be a swing and a miss, and Sony comes off as tone deaf.
Time will answer all of these questions and whether this rings true or not.
I'd say it doesn't look good, right now, but I'm always pleasantly surprised when it comes to gaming, and my level of cynicism is proven wrong.
@scoobdoo same! Pretty stoked now. Thank you!
Excited to get mine tomorrow! Picking up a new TV to fully take advantage of it too, can't wait!!
This is not really what reviews are saying...
Ok round up of reviews I guess. To me 1st parties even though no interest in any of them I still know they do a great job. But for more plants/shrubs and sharpness, which the sharpness is fine, RT/shrubs and other garbage is not a good enough reason to push hardware 3rd parties, make better games and I'll buy them since the mechanics suck so much why would I even consider picking them up.
I want less scripted moments yet we get more of them every generation, give me more dynamic ones. I get more and more bored seeing them.
The RT Performance modes that 1st party already do that 3rd parties seem to not and push the system too much so a PS5 Pro had to exist, when 1st party better balance hardware use is why I find the Pro more an excuse than anything.
Sure Silent Hill 2 remake being dark it balances the reflections fairly well in areas. Other games do sun light, or water puddles or skyscaper glass walls, it varies and that's fine. But at the same time I ask more for gameplay not the glass reflections of a cupboard to look nice. Lighting/'reflections in things that make sense in a simulation not a video game TO PLAY not stare at and play as a generic character that's boring to play in a boring world/level design, boring pacing in a boring tasks linear/open world and the story/visuals are the focus.
The disk drive besides being optional is fine for those that don't need it (I do so no interest to me or authentication of the optional one but I don't like PS5/Series at all anyway so doesn't bother me), but to me the GPU/RT focus is just not exciting in the slightest. 3rd parties will push consoles too far more and more and I don't see much benefit. IF the games aren't fun to play let alone push particles, shrubs, grass and other garbage on screen (Outlaws/Marine 2 with the particles was very distracting, stupid and if they want realism unless we have special eyes makes it so silly to push THAT much dust kicking up and such it could be it's own mechanic then visual options to push in player's faces it's so annoying even then I questioned the reputation system in Outlaws and the abilities in Operations not used in the campaign, it works still but was odd to not do that as a tutorial besides the 2 then 4 weapon slots and the gun swapping with modifiers yes I do focus on gameplay a lot and how it's used, fair or empty feeling).
RT has it's place but it too I find eh reflections or lighting when you had Mario Kart 64 to other sim racers with video playback on tracks of fake to like MK64 or others actual following the player footage that's on older hardware then this and still impressive to this day, where is it NOW? Forza Motorsport 7 probably can't do it I think it has fake footage or a screen off when older games can do this, like you look at Catalunya on FM4 with fake footage to MK64 or others I forget that do player following cameras. Priorities and both on cart/disks with lower storage then the competitors too.
Part 2:
Alpha Protocol had bathroom mirror reflections, Dead Rising 2 did, while Last of Us didn't do of mirror reflections because they had other priorities.
Skyscapers having reflections is one thing but what happened to Assassin's Creed Unity's entering buildings, I can't name a single other game that offered that since it's release in an open world regardless of it's scale.
While Order 1886 had still linear sections and fake insides, Spiderman did as well or other games do the common things of painted insides of buildings.
Some devs push in ways I go that makes sense of little details or mechanics, others go yep other priorities, it's all over the place and that's natural based on what ideas or plans companies have but over time we see them and then they go like dynamic ideas in games then more scripted over time and graphics pushing I just get confused.
Why they find this a good idea when instead of visuals they could push more natural animations and more engaging gameplay, I don't want visuals if the animations are still so eh, the mechanics are boring and unexciting to play such video games, the reason to play not just visuals/story because if the gameplay is boring why play it? Yet the competition/mechanics/level design has been worse since visual pushing of PS4/Xbox One gen yet PS3/360/Wii and older I find tons of mechanically interesting competition in past trends or outliers.
This gen has outliers but a lot of visual pushing or nostalgia heavily inspired garbage as well.
Yet we don't so I get more and more disappointed and go back to retro gens and then make comparisons like this showing it's possible they just don't care, have less creative staff or other priorities by pubs/execs and we get just worse products.
I'm not exactly hearing any ringing endorsements in any of those reviews.
I bit the bullet, didn't really pay much for it with my old PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5 traded in. Figured this will last me till PS6 anyway and even then I will just trade it in.
Can't get a disc drive anywhere (at normal price), and Sony has released a list of all games with PS5 Pro Enhanced on launch. What Sony should have done is had a PS5 Pro sale on there store with all those games on the list on sale. A lot of those games have been on sale before so there would have been no reason not to do this. Just a missed opportunity by Sony.
Mine has arrived and thought I would share my opinion for what it is worth! In absolute all honesty, with the exception of the fps which is noticeable (given I usually play in quality 30fps mode) I am 99% certain that I can only see minimal upgrades in the graphics except Spider-Man 2 reflections and Alan wake 2. I’ve ran my ps5 and ps5 on two separate screens which was an effort and other than those two, it is minimal. The only real difference is that the graphics are now in line with fps but not massively different at all. I am a little disappointed but obviously will trade my ps5 in or sell or place downstairs. First opinion and is my honest one.
So for those that went out and bought one - I am sure you're still very excited. And I'm also sure the mid- reviews (to be honest, 7/10's ain't looking that great) are largely based on non-optimised games; and it can be expected to be peforming better later.
However - sitting back here now, I'm kinda relieved that FOMO (and the ridiculous decision to not sell it with a drive - or at least have enough drives in stock) didn't get the better of me. The Pro may be a useful baby step to a future direction; but I think it was always a bit of a stretch with the way it was being sold (and the silly level of pixel-peeping, and the un-realised promise of no more fidelity/performance modes).
Edit - I do suspect however, there's more than one person on this forum that bought it just to flex... and I kinda sense a little bit of the wind escaping. Don't panic if you bought it, I'm sure it will still feel good (and lets face it, it looks much sweeter than the OG PS5) - and I hope the patches make a big difference when they fully roll out.
@DennisReynolds Just looking through the DF review now... was quite surprised it was only hitting 30-35% improvement on raw-horse-power in boost mode. That's likely not enough to push quality modes up to performance mode speeds (on unlocked games) across the board. Quite interesting - and it will be really interesting to see whether Pro patches optimize it significantly more (they should).
I'm still waiting to see the full potential of the base PS5 to be fair
Looking forward to get mine later today. I'm happy with my choice as I don't play much but when I do I wanna get the best (console) experience I can get.
Mine is arriving to today, so I'm pleasantly surprised given the fact that I preordered it from PSDirect just a few days ago.
Had an Amazon preorder that I cancelled.
Anyway, can't wait.
@Mikey856 Alan Wake 2 and GT7 first! I will definitely do the Horizon upgrade as well.
@jerrylongbones fair enough ^_^ we'll know for sure in a few years, and in the meantime, hope everyone enjoys their PS5 Pro !
I love mine already.
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