Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

The fewer bigger exclusives quote worries me a bit. Give me cool AA games sony.

@WebHead I can't see Sony's studio's not making 'big' exclusives - the likes of Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerilla Games, Sony Santa Monica etc but churning out a game every couple of years is unlikely. Its already approaching 5yrs since Infamous Second Son and nearly 3yrs since Uncharted 4. I know both of those studio's also released a smaller stand-alone game too but both of these studio's have only released 1 'major' new game this generation. GG may only release 2 - the Launch title Killzone and Horizon: Zero Dawn so in terms of quantity, Sony may well find that the gap between bigger releases increase as to be expected as they try and make bigger, deeper and more detailed games in the future.

Another aspect could be that Sony cut down on the '3rd Party' exclusives. No longer willing to buy or fund these developers for exclusivity and that, along with the extra time and costs its taking to bring their own developers games to fruition may also be a reason that we see 'fewer' big exclusives.

If its costing Sony more to make their own games - more wages, more time taken etc GG has been or is in the process of expanding for example - so there is a 'big investment' in their own studios and games, you can bet its going to cost Sony more to fund a lot of third party 'big' games too and potentially for 'little' pay-off compared to the investment. If that is the case, then we could see fewer 'big' exclusives because of both the time its taking for their own studio's and not funding outside (or at least as many) studio's either.

Quantic Dream for example has had an investment from NetEase who bought a minority share in the company and that 'could' lead to them developing multi-platform games. FromSoftware's next game is multi-platform too and who knows if they will be making another Sony Exclusive. If not, there's another developer and avenue for big exclusives gone. Insomniac probably will be making another Spider-Man game for Sony as that has been a big success and if Marvel continue to be as popular in the movies, that would be a worthwhile and logical investment for Sony to commission/fund a follow up to SM.

I am just speculating of course but with the extra time taken between releases and potentially not buying as many 3rd party exclusivity, it makes sense that we would see fewer 'big' AAA releases. Even if they do continue to fund as many, the fact they aren't churning out games every couple of years anymore would still cause fewer games.

3 I care about the most: Horizon 2, God of War 5 and Spider-Man 2.

Also really excited for the big PSN upgrades.

@BAMozzy They said fewer big exclusives, not none at all.

And Quantic Dream are no longer making PS games.

@JohnnyShoulder I know and I never said NONE. I said that the time taken between the BIG developers to release games would equate to fewer as well as potentially not paying for as many 3rd party games because they are taking longer and becoming more expensive too. That does NOT equate to NONE, that equates to 'fewer'.

If ND, GG & SP take 3-4yrs between games, they will release 'fewer' per generation of console than if they are taking just 2yrs. That is OBVIOUS. That is exactly what I was saying. I also said that Quantic Dreams look like they will be moving to multi-platform release (thus losing one 3rd party avenue for exclusives) but I can see Insomniac still making exclusives in the Spider-Man franchise. FromSoftware may return to Sony, maybe a Bloodbourne 2 at some point but at the moment appear to be making multi-platform titles - Sekiro. All of that does equate to 'fewer' games as Sony have stated - its not 'NONE' and have no idea where you got the idea I said 'none' from....

@WebHead
The CNET title 'SLayden WANTS fewer, bigger ps games,' was misleading.(and yes it's fake news)
SLayden was answering the question about skipping E3 and for that reason started talking about the first E3 and how things evolved from there. He was talking about what already happened since (make fewer, bigger games) and not referring to the future.

'So the trade show became a trade show without a lot of trade activity. The world has changed, but E3 hasn't necessarily changed with it.

And with our decision to do fewer games — bigger games — over longer periods of time, we got to a point where June of 2019 '

We got to the point.... He was referring to the past/present. Not the future. For reference GG are being expended precisely to reduce development time.

Ah that is fair. I agree with him. As much as traditionalists do not want to believe it Sony does not need E3 anymore. E3 is outdated" expensive and stressful especially for developers. Sony can be the master of their own time.

Totally agree!!!

I don’t know to what extent Sony goes to third-party studio with a IP and asked them to make it. As opposed to studios coming to Sony with the concept and asking them to fund it. It’s clear that both have occurred in the past.

@JJ2 Slayden sounds like a 70s rock band.

@BAMozzy You said "I can't see Sony's studio's not making 'big' exclusives", implying someone else said Sony were not going to be making any big exclusives, which is incorrect. I may have got that horribly wrong however, if I have I apologise.

@Kidfried
Tbh the gaming journalists who aren't happy should look for their own flaws to start with. For years E3 was reported as a competition between the corporation s conferences. Most of what they reported was 'who won E3' and only based in one or two hours conferences. Never mind that the companies booked huge areas for demos and such every year.
Psx was a lot better reported with the panels and such. People could clearly see (better though not always) what psx was about in full.
In the interview, Layden said that next time they show something it should be 'wonderful' or a similar term. Not sure if people realize it's kinda confirming next time it's for PS5 time at psx or there won't be psx at all unless they have a special event before. That's how I see it.

This was in response to Sony making 'fewer' Big games. I can't see the likes of Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, Sucker Punch etc not making the Big games we know them to make - in other words, I can't see these Studio's making 'smaller' games instead of the big games we know them to make or to put it another way, I can only see Sony Studio's continuing to make the Big games we know them to make. The 'fewer' is only likely to be down to the 'extra' time its taking to make games. Instead of say making 10 big games in 2/3yrs like they had been, they are now releasing say 10 big games in 5/6yrs just because they are taking longer to make - not because Sony are limiting studio's on production, but because games are just taking longer.

To a degree, we are seeing this now. Naughty Dog for example released 3 Uncharted games and Last of Us on the PS3 between 2007 and 2013 - literally a game every 2yrs. It was another 3yrs (2016) when they released Uncharted 4 and its been 3yrs and as yet, we don't know when Last of Us 2 will release. This is a good example of how game development is taking longer and an example of why 'fewer' AAA games are likely for this and probably continue into next gen too.

I am not criticising the output of ND, or any other developer, just highlighting why we are seeing and probably will continue to see a 'lower' rate of AAA exclusive games - just because its taking longer to make AAA games not because Sony themselves are limiting or reducing the amount of games they are prepared to fund.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/artic... sounds like US might be heading into a recession soon. Possible indicator of PS5 being $399.

@WebHead
Apparently they successfully predicted five out of the last two recession.

So if a recession happens you can forget about $499.

A recession only happens if you want it to happen.

If we are in another recession when Sony plan to release their console, we could see another unbalanced console to hit a lower price-point. The PS4 is quite heavily GPU focussed and I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 goes the other way and has a 'strong' CPU with a 'moderately' weak GPU and by that I mean maybe just twice as powerful as the PS4 Pro or around 4-5x the PS4 - not as big a jump as people may expect from a 'generational' leap but still more than any console to date offers - to keep the cost as low as they can whilst also trying to ensure they have enough to run the upcoming games at a level that previous consoles couldn't.

Anyway, we will see what Sony do, what price point they look to hit etc if and when they decide to reveal their plans. MS are rumoured to be revealing their 'next' box at E3 this year and of the two, they are much more in need of a new generation console as the Base XB1 is struggling much more to deliver the games at HD and a consistent frame rate. The extra power Sony has in their PS4 does essentially give them a bit more 'breathing' room.

I think regardless of the price or full spec setup it is clear the CPU is going to be the star of the show for PS5 and Scarlett.