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Fight_Teza_Fight

A little update on my FFVIII journey…

Stayed up into the late hours trying to beat the ‘first’ boss at the Comms tower & couldn’t beat it. Unfortunately I had my GFs learning refinery skills rather than stat boost skills (as that would come in handy later).

Spent like 20mins drawing from a single grunt at 3x speed to fill out all my magic & attempted again…done first try with some summon spamming😅. Also I draw almost instinctively now first turn & managed to draw Siren, which is going to make things so much easier moving forward.
Which brings me to the ‘chase’…did not realise the mech spider could be killed. Downed it a couple of times, but figured I’d just see what would happen. Had the 3x speed on & 100 thunders on each character. I was doing enough damage, but after the 2nd down the dialogue started to change (even though the game encourages you to run)- so figured I’d stick with it. Pretty cool.
I’m still not feeling the junction system though. It almost seems like the game is actively discouraging me from battling. I’m assuming that once I start prioritizing stat’s on the GFs it’ll be a bit easier/forgiving in boss fights otherwise, I can see myself getting into some difficult situations.

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Lives, Lived, Will Live.
Dies, Died, Will Die.
If we could perceive time for what it really was,
What reason would Grammar Professors have to get out of bed?- Robert & Rosalind Lutece

Jimmer-jammer

@Fight_Teza_Fight Nice work! The toughest part of the junction system is obviously drawing all of the magic to increase the potency of whatever you junction it to but also learning which spells work best with which stats. For example, something like Life is good for raising HP. I also found junctioning Sleep and Slow type magics to your status attack generally pretty useful. Just don’t forget to have your GF’s learning the appropriate skills in order to junction them.

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“Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning.” C.S. Lewis

belmont

Hi all!
I am back in my hometown for a couple of days and I have finally have access to my PS5. Of course I snagged a copy of FF16. FF is my favourite game series of all time, and I really want to beat the new entry.

Unfortunately, I only have 4 more days of holiday before I leave again, and I may not have access to a PS5 till the end of the year.

So, I am in the point where you have to search for a friend after a point of no return where I met some friends in an abandoned church.

So, can I beat the game in 4 days if I play 6 to 8 hours per day? Even if I have to rush it? No spoilers, please! If I rush it indeed there are missable trophies?

I was thinking to take the PS5 with me, but this massive thing is not convenient for airplanes. I usually take my PS4 or my Steam Deck.

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colonelkilgore

@belmont difficult to say mate, as I’m not entirely sure of the point in the game that you are at. At a guess, I’d say that you ‘could’ finish it if you put 10 hours a day in for 4 days and rush through the cutscenes etc but I honestly think that would be a shame due to how epic the narrative is.

I’d seriously consider enjoying your playthrough until you get to a point where a break feels right… there’s a mission called Cid the Outlaw that would fit that bill nicely… and then comeback to finish the back half of the game when you’re able.

currently residing in PS3 Purgatory

belmont

@colonelkilgore I tried to be super vague but after last days play through I am at a mission where I think I will fight Titan. Cid the outlaw was the mission I was trying to describe yesterday. Now that I have three days left I am pretty sure I don't have tome to complete the game. I wantrd to watch the cutscenes but avoid side quests etc...

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Voltan

@belmont I'd say it's doable if you limit your sidequests to the ones with a + icon (those are worth doing as they give you meaningful upgrades). It took me 30-ish hours for my second playthrough doing that.

Voltan

Jimmer-jammer

@belmont Also, I don’t think there are any missable trophies but if the platinum is your aim then there is quite a bit of extra legwork to do, including a second play through at both a harder difficulty and to max out abilities. Also, there is a special weapon to craft of which its materials come from essentially clearing the hunt board (which is in itself a trophy). Hope you enjoy the game! I think it’s magnificent.

“Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning.” C.S. Lewis

belmont

Thanks for the info, everyone...
Unfortunately, I couldn't finish the game... I am quite sure I am close to the end though, I have met face to face an Eikon with a sword that, if I did not lose something in the lore, is the last one.

I really don't want to wait until Christmas to complete the game... Try to fly with both PS5, the Steam Deck and the work laptop? I am afraid I will break all of them... Get a second PS5 for my work home and sell it afterwards? I can't afford it and with my luck they will release a slim model one week later... Fly with the PS5 and sell it in the city I work and buy the slim model when FF7 Rebirth is released?

First world problems!

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Jimmer-jammer

Was greeted by a new update tonight. Really liking the new outfits, especially Clive’s and Jill’s. Nice to hear about new content coming as well. Wonder what it will entail…

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“Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning.” C.S. Lewis

Voltan

@belmont How about keep your PS5 in rest mode and use remote play? Could work well enough for a game like this.

Quite excited about the announced DLC, although I suspect that's not coming until after FF7-2.

Voltan

belmont

@Voltan I tried remote play with my Steam Deck. Most times it works but sometimes it doesn't and I have to reset the PS5 for it to work. It is an option although I am thinking of packing the PS5 and taking it with me.

When was the DLC announced I missed it! If there is DLC it will most surely arrive after Rebirth.

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Voltan

@belmont They announced "2 pieces of paid DLC" and confirmed a PC version during a live stream last night. No dates yet for either but "hoping to reveal more before the the end of the year" or something to that effect.

Voltan

Fight_Teza_Fight

Beat Final Fantasy VIII last night.
I think it just about makes my top 5 FF games. Ahead of FFX, but below FFVI. My minor critique would be the whole Leon (that’s my Squall) & Rinoa relationship. It seems a bit forced. First she’s into Seifer or she believes that she is- which doesn’t really get resolved. Leon’s ‘wall’ eventually breaks & he would give up anything for her. Him not using force to stop her from breaking out Adell goes completely against his character. Death of many over the death of one .
All in all, I really enjoyed it. The mini games were a nice change of pace & Triple Triad rules. I managed to obtain every GF naturally apart from Doomtrain & Tonberry which I looked up once I got to Disc 3.

Speaking of Disc 3…by the time I got there I realized that I was at almost 50% trophy completion. So I decided to look up a guide & go for the platinum. Got every non-story related trophy, but realized I didn’t pick up the Timber Mag on the White Seed Ship before it leaves.
Naturally started a new save on 3x speed & replayed up to Disc 3 just to get that trophy😂. Took me just under 7 hours (non-skippable cutscenes, really?).
I did enjoy that run as I wanted to see how ‘low’ I could keep my party level & break the game with the junction system. Party level ranged from 11-13 iirc.
Really have come around to the junction system. Omega Weapon only took me a few goes with maxed out Junctions, holy wars & kamikaze 😈.

So now I’m at 97% completion & I’ll get the platinum over the next few days or so. Missing the 1000 battles trophy & according the in-game counter I’m about 300 off.

Onto FFIX next. Might start it this weekend.

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Lives, Lived, Will Live.
Dies, Died, Will Die.
If we could perceive time for what it really was,
What reason would Grammar Professors have to get out of bed?- Robert & Rosalind Lutece

kyleforrester87

@Fight_Teza_Fight well done, looks like you got through it pretty quickly. How long did it take? What level did you end up? I’ve never actually bothered to get to the end, I have got to the last boss once then I never make it much further than the start of disc 2 whenever I try again.

kyleforrester87

PSN: WigSplitter1987

belmont

So, I ended up taking my PS5 in my work apartment. As you can probably guess in the airport it seemed strange to the one that checked my back pack to see a laptop, a PS5, the Steam Deck and the RG351V!

And I finally finished the game with all sidequests and all trophies, expect the one you have to replay the game of course. I loved the game but the final part was semi underwhelming.

I enjoyed the European or Tolkien like setting but I was hoping that we would not end with the jrpg trope of destoy the creator to be free.

The ending has some ambiguous moments that are deliberately made to be open to interpretation.

Is Dion dead? The fall should kill him but he survived way worse. Also, Clive somehow survived the fall so why not Dion? Dion was supposed to return to the Librarian to take the flower gift.

What was the purpose of the medicine girl? I thought she was Gregory. Who are Gregory and the Founder anyway?

Did Clive revive Joshua or simply semi reformed the body? If he was revived Clive destroyed the Crystal so Joshua survived both the explosion and the fall?

Is Clive dead? Seems that the magic is gone and he survived the fall but started to be petrified, yet Cid survived with a semi petrified hand.

Who wrote the book in the end? Joshua who survived? Both Josua and Clive were killed and the book was written by the Librarian or Josua's followers? Clive survived took his brother's name and the pen that the librarian gave to him? Maybe the events never happen and FF16 is simply the boys in the end reading the events of a book by an author called Joshua.

In the end we saw nothing for the other characters except Gav and Jill and a woman that you have no emotional connection with.

Also, all the major cities were destroyed as collateral damage, and most people are dead. So, what did the characters really accomplish?

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Fight_Teza_Fight

@kyleforrester87 My main play through took 44 hours of in-game time, but accounting for deaths- especially early on the real time is probably closer to 50.
Level wise Leon/Squall was way higher than the rest. 52 iirc. The others ranged from 23-29. Enemy scaling is based on average active party level (+/- % for high/low tier encounters) so when I scanned Omega Weapon at the end for example it was ‘only’ lvl 39. Kamikaze with Leon @ max health did fixed 60k damage- so enough to one shot most things (probably the most broken move in FF history).
The party level only got that high cause I got Odin early on. So every now & then he’d show up & one shot everything before I could run or set Diabolos no encounter on.

The second play through I got to the White Seed Ship in Disc 3 in under 7 hours with the 3x speed option & following the critical path only. Avoided getting Odin to keep the lvl low & the game easy.

Lives, Lived, Will Live.
Dies, Died, Will Die.
If we could perceive time for what it really was,
What reason would Grammar Professors have to get out of bed?- Robert & Rosalind Lutece

JohnnyShoulder

kyleforrester87 wrote:

I have got to the last boss once then I never make it much further than the start of disc 2 whenever I try again.

Story of my (final fantasy) life. Only 7 Remake and the dlc I've managed to finish.

Life is more fun when you help people succeed, instead of wishing them to fail.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

PSN: JohnnyShoulder

Jimmer-jammer

@belmont I felt the end was less a trope to fall back onto and more a natural culmination of the games themes within its high fantasy setting. It’s difficult to meaningfully explore the subject of free will within this framework without addressing the underlying spiritual connotations therein. With that said, I do appreciate it reads as a trope nonetheless.

Greagor is the Goddess worshipped within the Sanbreque theocracy. The Founder was the Rosarian originator believed to have built the nation up without the use of magic.

As for the ending’s ambiguous nature, perhaps the aim was nothing more than to encourage the audience to engage with the material on a deeper level in order to support their personal beliefs as to what may have happened.

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“Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning.” C.S. Lewis

belmont

@Jimmer-jammer To be honest the ending seemed more like "we aren't sure what we want to do so let us make it as ambiguous as possible". And it seemed odd as the game did a perfect job to make you care for the characters. There are other FF games with ambiguous endings that were better handled.

As far as gameplay goes I really enjoyed the game. However, this Final Fantasy mode is a bit of a letdown. It very quickly became a button masher and in the Eikon battles the key promps in QTEs are not always shown? Stll, it is cool to see the cutscenes a second time with knowledge of how the game ends!!

I also look forward to the DLC and playing again in my Steam Deck!

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