Sony was always expected to start this generation on the front foot globally, as the PlayStation brand simply has much more worldwide appeal than its closest competitor. However, the fact that the PlayStation 4 has effortlessly won major markets such as the UK and North America will be a real concern for the folks at Microsoft – and, to be fair to the Redmond company, it’s reacted swiftly.
Of course, with the Japanese giant dominating the NPD every month since launch – apart from a heavily supply constrained December – many are pondering if the Xbox One will ever start making a comeback. Well, according to Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter, the upcoming September report – which is due out later this week – will herald a victory for the giant in green.
The former Pach Attack host is estimating that the Xbox One sold 325,000 units in the United States last month, while the PS4 managed just 250,000 units. The likeable number cruncher backed his figures up by pointing to the plentiful promotions surrounding Microsoft’s machine throughout the period. Of course, Sony also had the co-marketing on a little game called Destiny – and its Glacier White bundle.
These are just predictions from Pachter, so we’ll need to wait until later in the week to see if he’s accurate. Either way, we think that it would be nice if the two gaming giants traded a little bit of paint in the lead up to the holidays – after all, we need both systems to thrive for the console market to expand. Honestly, though, we’d be shocked if the outspoken analyst’s estimates are accurate.
[source venturebeat.com]
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Sounds a touch delusional to me. I think the Destiny PS4 bundle/promotion probably pushed sales well past his prediction.
I think Pachter just missed seeing his name in the headlines so came up w/ something that would almost guarantee getting it back there.
So PS4 has led X1 every month but 325k vs 250k this month. Anybody want to be industrious and see if this is due to a big uptick for X1 or a down month for PS4? I'ld link to VGchartz but I'm sick of doing the work only to be mocked every time b/c of the source, yet those doing the mocking, not once in years, has anybody ever come up w/ something better. Not once.
Pachter predicted the xb1 would outsell ps4. I think hes still a little bitter about it.
@hadlee73 Definitely hear you. I personally view the sales side of things as an important part of the discussion, but appreciate that it can become tedious. Definitely important to get the right balance, so make noise if you feel like we're not getting it right.
Something tells me that if this is true, it's by less than what he stated. Can't see them outselling them by 75k. . Maybe around 10? I know xbox beat ps4 in the UK last month so I guess it's possible. Something tells me October is going to be really close as well with forza releasing at the very end of Sept and sunset overdrive releasing at the end of the month..
Trust me it's a good thing, even if you're a complete Sony fan. The best thing for gaming is for the 2 consoles to go back and forth the whole gen.
@mitcHELLspawn From what I understand, it was a single week in the UK. We don't get very accurate figures, though, so it may have been the month.
I don't know man, Destiny had a bigger marketing budget than any sort of reason would advise. I don't know if the XBOne will outsell the PS4, but I think it will be closer than 75,000 either way.
@get2sammyb I personally like that you report on this and find it interesting. I also think the PS4 ending a 10 month long streak of outselling the XBOne is newsworthy.
People take this sales crap so seriously...
PS4 sold more.... Xbox One sold more.... Wii U isn't selling enough.... Vita isn't selling enough.... Blah blah blah blah blah.
Pardon me when I'm playing Bayonetta 2 and Freedom Wars, two games that will never even reach a million copies on platforms that are the lowest selling of their respective kind. Sales mean nothing when you've got a fun game to play.
@JaxonH Sales are directly affecting how many fun games there are to play on VIta though.
@Jaz007
Ya but worrying about it and debating it all day won't change anything. It is what it is, as they say.
It's just one of those things where ya, it's a factor in play, but why waste our time concerning ourselves with it when we can't do anything to change it. We buy fun games and vote with our wallets. But it just wasn't enough. I will say this though, Wii U isn't exactly selling well yet there's no shortage of great games coming to the system. I don't think we needed good sales on Vita, we just needed Sony to continue supporting it with their Sunday best.
Idk, games are going to sell what they're going to sell. I always hope for the best and wish every platform the most sales possible, but I draw the line when it comes to concerning myself with the financial status of each console, at least to the point of regular weekly debate. A discussion here and there is one thing, but nowadays you can't throw a stone without hitting three fansites that discuss sales multiple times every week. I just hear people talk about sales more than I hear them talk about fun games they're looking forward to.
@JaxonH
I agree that some, myself included, maybe blow sales out of proportion, but they do matter. If Vita wasn't selling like sh*t, Freedom Wars wouldn't be the most interesting game on it in months. Like you said, it is what it is and at the end of day, it won't effect how good or bad a particular game is, but it would be nice if, Vita for example, were selling better and getting a more consistent flow of high quality releases as a result.
Anyway, I hope Pachter is right for once and that Xbox One has outsold PS4 this month. In fact, I'd like to see both Xbox One and Wii U string together a few months of significantly better sales than PS4 because I feel the complacency has set in big time at Sony.
I think it's a crap statement but even if it's true, who cares? XB1 isn't doing anywhere near as good anywhere else and tbh it's good to see both systems doing good to keep competition stiff and so we get better games.
@kdognumba1 except xbox one sold 100k in China in one week and all indications are that it did better in UK last month as well.. so yeah there's that.
But again, I don't understand why even a big Sony fan cares if xbox sells more.. especially with how long the ps4 has out sold xbox one up until now... xbox one starting to do better will do nothing but good things for Playstation as it will keep Sony from being complacent and keep going hard.
@mitcHELLspawn
Exactly. Sony needs a kick in the a$$, the competition making a comeback is a good thing for everybody except a$$hurt fanboys who love to bend over for their corporate mother, wonderful and perfect Sony.
i personally could care less about the us vs them debate but its interesting to see everyone's opinions. i dont really have one, i already gave sony my money
@Gamer83 hahaha yeah.. honestly the only people who really care which console sold more on what month are the gamers(fan boys) that like to use it as ammunition in a "my console is better than your console" war lol. It's all good though I'm just here chillin with my ps4 and Xbox one loving life. Haha I got sleeping dogs and the evil within first thing tomorrow and it's great haha.
@mitcHELLspawn
Yeah, I got both as well, can't say I'm loving the PS4 at the moment though. Which is disappointing because PlayStation has been my preferred brand since the late 90s. At some point Sony's real first parties will come out to play, it's just frustrating getting through the crap from studios like Evolution first.
1) Is a fair posibility, FH2 and Halo Master Chief will no doubt give the XB1 a good push, in that regard Sony really need to step it up in the exclusives department, the only exclusive worth mention its BloodBorne and that one doesnt come untill February
2) Who cares, i dont have stocks on neither company so i dont gain anything
3) Cant believe this clown is still around, you could pay a kid 1/100 of what he makes and get the same predictions
@Gamer83
I agree. Sony does need a kick in the @ss. I can't stand Microsoft, but Sony needs competition to keep them sharp.
@Godsire-
Even if MS and Nintendo got steamrolled like they did two generations ago when PS2 was the undisputed king, Sony could still be kept on its toes, if 97% of the fanbase weren't f'ing morons. Unfortunately, even with all the crap going on lately there are still people kissing Sony's corporate a$$.
@Gamer83 I agree that Sony needs a threat to get them back in motion. To be honest that's how business works. You always have to be ahead of the competition, and make the best product.
You shouldn't slack, even with an advantage. But it seems to happen alot. One example I could think of is WWE during the late 90's. Yes, a wrestling example. With WCW gunning at their throats, WWE needed to up the ante. The product they put out was great during that period. After they bought out WCW and ECW, WWE has just kinda been lax since then. Either that or just awful.
I'm obviously not saying Sony will exactly turn out like that, but Xbox giving some fight can help bring their best.
Also, if anyone wants to know my "allegiance", I prefer PS, but I don't mind Xbox or Nintendo. In short, I don't care.
Time will tell, but I find it hard to believe in the month Destiny launched. I recon he's very wrong.
For whatever it is worth, VGChartz has XBO at 250k and PS4 at 400k in NA for Sept. Doesn't prove anything, but it is usually indicative.
Also, on Amazon US the back PS4 has stayed in the top 10 bestseller all Sept and the white Destiny bundle was also in the top 10 for most most of the month only occationally dropping into the teens. The XBO by comparison was as in the 30s all month. Also proves nothing but does backup VGChartz in that the PS4 has with 2 top 10 skus well outsold the XBO with only 1 at around the 30 mark.
Would love to know where Pratcher is getting this idea from?
That can't be right?! I never bother reading what that guy says because he seems wrong 99% of the time + Competition is good but when it involves Microsoft it's not :-/ I pray for the day they leave the Gaming console world so i really don't want the X1 to start beating the PS4 in the US & UK
@Gamer83 Sony was WAAAAY too arrogant with the PS3/PSV, they thought that the ps2 madness and the great ssles of the PSP would let them get away with charging 600 dollars for a PS3 (which cost them A LOT OF MONEY...) and with the Vita (which is practically dead, especislly against the 3DS) with those stupidly expensive propietary cards that cost more than 3-4 times the price of a SD.
In fact the launch of the PS4 was clearly s reality check for Sony, they choose the right path and things are going well so far !
Well to be fair, arrogancy has been a trademark of Sony as a whole, and its really coming back to bite them in the ass
Can't be bothered getting into the sales argument as everything I'd say @Gamer83 has already said. What I would point out is a massive mistake @get2sammyb made. You misspelt "the total massive asshat number cruncher" as "likeable number cruncher."
This doesn't concern me as I own a Commodore 64, which is the real best place to play.
Sony need a reality check at the moment so I'd welcome this happening, they've been far to complacent recently.
Personally I hope the X1 has beaten the PS4 for September as it may just make Sony realize they can't afford to get complacent. Microsoft have very deep pockets indeed whereas Sony has been reporting losses of around triple the actual figures they were expecting. What I mean is, Microsoft know that in order to make the XBOX a success they have to be prepared to loose money, and money they have. Sony of late have been having some issues that concern the consumer and as such will jump ship. Microsoft will be there to swoop in and grab those dissatisfied consumers.
The issues were based on other branches of Sony, not playstation, but a loss is definitely a loss, however, the playstation side is doing quite good. I think what we are seeing here is patcher wanting Microsoft to get ahead. In any of his so called analysis, it's pretty clearly it's his want rather than an actual analysis.
@Demi_God I agree, the actual PlayStation department is in profit but taking Sony's other financial issues into concern they cannot afford too many hiccups on the PlayStation front as Microsoft will use that to there benefit. If the X1 did outsell the PS4 in September I hope it gives Sony another push to keep taking the PS4 in the right direction. After all its competition that drives innovation, don't you agree.
@rastamadeus
Agreed. Pachter can never be likeable, even when he lets you make fun of him (all the time).
I could not care less about who is "beating" who. I just want the userbase to be big enough to get great games on all three systems.
Everyone wants the underdog to win even though it just doesn't work that way.
@Carl-G I'm with you on that one, never liked M$. Always felt they never had the industries's best interests at heart.
It makes me laugh that people think that Sony are "complacent" & are in trouble" in terms of their finances SCE actually makes money & the losses from other departments don't effect it. In terms of this so called "complacency" some seem to have different reasons for thinking this. Some wanted more exclusives but considering Sony for the last few years have needed to support 3 platforms I think their doing pretty good with their output. Of course there's the old & redundant argument of "too many indies" on PS4, which isn't exactly a sign of complacency, it's actually the opposite. Yes Sony should improve the online features more but those are improvements to be made rather then complacency. I know a lot of people think competition is good but I grew up through two console generations when Playstation dominanted & from what I remember is we still got an incredible variety of games, some of which are still heavily seen as Playstation titles...like Metal Gear, Tomb Raider, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy & GTA & we didn't have any of this nonsense with Ubisoft nerfing assassin's creed on PS4 cos Playstation sold well enough that those games didn't to be on other systems till later on.
@DerMeister @Bad-MuthaAdebis well i was just scrolling down to read comments and i see yoru pic, and i just busted out laughing xD
@JaxonH
How many amazing games came out on the Sega Master System vs the NES? Sales matter. How many amazing games came out on the (original) Xbox vs the PS2? Sales matter. With any platform you can point to some amazing games, even if the system did poorly; often, as in the case with your example, its because its funded by the platform holder, but these are outliers and the same platforms, if they did better in sales, would have many, many more great games. Just look at how the 360 did in its selection of amazing games over the original Xbox. Just imagine how many amazing games the WiiU would be getting if it sold better. How many developers have canceled, postponed, or scaled back their operations on the WiiU because of sales numbers? Sales numbers make a huge difference.
Pachter also believed:
-That the XB1 would be the leading console this generation after the E3 2013 "Deal With It".
-That the PSP would demolish the DS in sales.
-The Wii wouldn't sell half as many units as the PS3 and 360.
-The 3DS would flop vs the Vita.
He has a reputation for being wrong...
@Alpha I could tell you a story about how doo-wop was born but it wouldn't be appropriate
http://www.shopto.net/video-games/xbox-one/XB1HW95-xbox-one-sunset-overdrive-white-bundle-call-of-duty-advanced white xb1 + cod advance warfare + sunset overdrive = £ 349.99 might shift a few units eh
@thedevilsjester they matter just like a developers marital happiness matters by affecting quality of work. Point is, obsessing over something we have no control over is wasted breath. Games will sell what they're going to sell. Sales matter. Talking about sales doesn't.
@JaxonH
Your comparison is way off. In fact, sales is the single most important aspect of any platform. The less sales you have, the less likely developers are to target your platform. It does not matter about personal choice, or opinion, or any other nonsense (so comparing it to the marital status of the developer is absurd). Its all about numbers. How many potential customers does this platform have compared to other platforms (developers will almost always put their main focus on the platform with the biggest user base) and how fast is it selling compared to the other platforms (i.e. is this going to stay the biggest user base, or will our focus be shifting later, or will we abandon the platform all -together) Its the single most important aspect of the console space, from which EVERYTHING else flows, from great games, to game selection, to prices, to...everything.
The only exceptions being first party (or funded by first party, or bought by first party) exclusives, since these are about increasing the numbers of the platform user base, not about actually making the most sales on the software itself.
A great example of this currently (other than the WiiU) is in the mobile space. The install base for Windows phones is relatively small, and as such it is the last platform that most developers think about, IF they even think about it at all.
@Jazzer94 I feel the same, their have been very few promotions and PSN has been suffering from a lot of issues the past 2 months. I've even confirmed issues with friends, things like friends list not loading, the licensing error, and inability to read messages or them arriving over an hour late. then there are the system crashes.
All problems me and friends have been experiencing. Sony needs to show us we made the right choice, also Sony the Monday maintenance didn't fix these things! #rantdone
@Carl-G
If you think MS is evil but Sony is some angelic company with all the consumer's bests interests heart, I point to E3 2006 when Sony was coming off two dominant gens in a row as proof that it most certainly does not care about the consumer. There is still garbage going on with the now paid-for PSN that should not be happening and the complete lack of communication with the fanbase, at least in the States, is sickening. Not a single word about DriveClub said until a day later, I remember when the hack in 2011 happened nothing was said for a few days evnethough something was clearly wrong. MS has its faults, so does Nintendo and unfortunately for the majority here, Sony does as well. Competition is good, no matter who it involves, as it mostly keep these companies in check. Some bs still gets through but it'd be worse if only one of the big 3 were around.
@thedevilsjester I don't think you comprehend what I'm saying. I don't care how important sales are, sitting here and talking about them when we have no control over what happens is senseless, pointless, and it is not my idea of a fun time with this hobby. How important they are is absolutely irrelevant. The point is, TALKING ABOUT SALES is a useless waste of time
Competition is the best thing for the video game industry. It's what leads to better games, meaning that we all win in the end. Look at the Genesis and the SNES. So many classics on both systems, and that's because Sega and Nintendo were going toe-to-toe in the early to mid 90s. That's what we need Sony and Microsoft to do... and Nintendo can just do their own thing in the corner.
Pacther thinks the Xbox One outsold the PS4 in September?
I guess that means the Xbox One is doomed to be outsold by the PS4 in September.
@WARDIE in a way I agree with competition, but I don't think that is really the case in this situation. What we are witnessing right now is Sony trying to do a little to much at once which slows down other things. Now, I understand that people like the Vita, but I honestly don't blame Sony for the lack of interest in it. In my opinion, Sony should be looking at the 3 most important things for the PS4 right now which is of course the PS4, The Move, and VR.
I hated that Sony went with a handheld, I never liked the idea because it creates competition for their own console system. They tried to tie it with the PS4 as remote play, but I don't see it working that great. In this case I would agree with Sony to cut it's losses with the Vita as it is pretty late to kick it up at this point. I personally hate handhelds though, I don't mind tablet games, but never got into handheld games and I would hate playing something like CoD on a handheld, it isn't right. LOL
Besides that stuff though, competition between both Microsoft and Sony is okay, but like I Said, I think it's Sony having a bit to much on their plate which kind of creates a cluster@#$@ tangling mess of "whatever". They really need to streamline their ideas without doing to much. Playstation TV is just one more mess that is thrown in and it's half-arsed since it doesn't even support netflix. I like the idea, but it's executed poorly, this is the type of execution Sony needs to avoid. Whoever thought of executing the Playstation TV as it is right now should be fired because right now there is no room for incompetence. Sony can afford billions of more losses, they are still fine considering the amount they have saved up over the years, but they need to get rid of the rich swine and get people competent enough and bettering the company and the playstation brand at the same time as having passion for creating positives for the playstation brand. In shorter words, creating that fanbase they are wanting. PS4, Move, VR, PS TV, they have to get rid of PS TV or just release it in a more proper way with support.
I personally think they should push the Playstation TV back and release it a little bit later, like after the VR headset release. Coming out with stuff to fast you are going to compete against yourself and if it's to overwhelming people will just say @#$% it, it's to confusing. This happened with their HDTV's, they release 1080p, then they start talking 4k and people already forked over thousands for a new 1080p TV set, even I did.
Sometimes to much is to much, know what I mean vern.....
@PokeMario
Yup, almost always the opposite of Pachter's predictions happens. And if he was ever right about Nintendo it would be a shell of its former self making sh*tty iPhone games. I hope for Nintendo he continues making 'Nintendoomed' predictions because it seems to be a good luck charm for it and though Nintendo may not be my preferred home console brand anymore, if there is one company that is absolutely essential to continued success of videogames, it's the big N.
Your analyst was wrong... PS4 outsold Xbox
http://www.vgchartz.com/
Pachter like to talk out of his arse. He's been trolling gamers for years, primarily screwing with Nintendo owners I think just to piss them off. He'll find any fun angle to work to stir up controversy and have his name get more hits online to validate his paycheck and employment in making his 'educated' guesses. It's all about just stirring the pot, not so much reality, when you can play with numbers to get more page views and discussion. Yes I know what my avatar is, but I am and have been fairly done on them on the console side for awhile now and a happy PS3 and 4 owner.
@JaxonH I understand you now (I thought you meant that sales numbers don't actually matter), and yet I still disagree. If someone has not bought a PS4 or an Xbox One (or a WiiU) yet (and that is a huge majority of the last gen install base), and is deciding if its a good choice for the long haul, knowing the sales numbers and if its increasing, decreasing, or remaining constant relative to its competition, would help go along way to making an informed decision.
Its not the end all be all, of course, which is what I think you are getting at. If the PS4 was selling as bad as the WiiU and the Xbox One was doing 10x its current sales, I would still choose the PS4 because I feel Sony is a less terrible company than Microsoft (and Nintendo just doesn't understand what I want). So for those of us that have already made our choice, talking about sales only reinforces that choice, or makes us feel like we made the wrong one, but for the rest, its nice to get a glimpse of the trajectory that the devices are heading.
As a great example, someone looking to buy a hand held, as much as I LOVE my Vita, would see terrible sales that are not really going anywhere, and compare those to the 3DS sales, which are increasing, and that would help them decide which device to get if long term investment is important to them.
@thedevilsjester Understood. Which is why even I talk about sales, once in a while. But short term, week to week, sales of every game... That's pretty irrelevant to the long term.
Which is why sure, once a year reevaluate and see where everyone stands. But multiple headlines every week? I'd call that unnecessary.
And I think it's fair to say we already know Sony and MS consoles will always have enough 3rd party games. And I think we all know Nintendo platforms will always pretty much be 1st party with a few key 3rd party exclusives. The only system that is really affected by sales anymore are Sony handhelds.
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