BBC's long-running consumer rights programme Watchdog took PlayStation to task as part of its latest episode this evening, reporting on two cases in which fraudulent account charges had left customers out of pocket. The first, regarding John Lappin's inability to obtain a refund for a game that he never purchased, can be read about in more detail as part of our story from earlier today.
Alex Archer, a second customer, supported the report, revealing that £114 worth of games had been acquired fraudulently through his account. Sony refused to give him a refund, so he contacted his bank, which re-obtained the cash courtesy of a chargeback. Of course, this left the manufacturer out of pocket, which meant that his account was banned. Watchdog apparently contacted 21 others who had encountered a similar problem.
And the negative press has, understandably, prompted the platform holder to make a grovelling apology. "The service received by both Mr Archer and Mr Lappin fell below the high standards that we set for ourselves," a spokesperson said. "We would like to apologise to them both, and notify them that we have taken immediate action to reinstate their accounts and refund them."
It also stressed that it will be "reviewing the investigation process that is applied to allegations of unauthorised account use". However, the report concluded that while Sony was willing to admit that it had "lessons to learn", it will continue "suspending the accounts of customers who say that they've been hacked while it investigates claims". You may want to ensure that you change your passwords regularly, then.
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Or...don't leave your credit card number on the account. Buy a voucher. =0
@Riririn Unfortunately, this situation would extend to that, too. You wouldn't come up against the chargeback issue, but if you had £50 in your wallet and someone hacked your account and stole it, under the current policy - which this report was based on - you wouldn't get your money back.
They should be quicker and better at responding. My son spent £120 on fifa points when he inputted the card details into the computer - ea were absolutely horrid to deal with. Our bank helped a bit but we couldn't get the money back he spent on digital packs. Its frightening and if a company has an online payment method they need to have the resources to deal with fraud and the victims however it happens.
@get2sammyb No... I guess you wouldn't. Couldn't they track down the culprit tho based on the IP address? And who'd go all the way to hack someone's PSN account anyways, to get games. Since those Russians/Brazilians came out with that soft mod hack dummies can just get everything for free anyway. It's nothing I recommend tho, you know since it's illegal.
And yet people still insist that Nintendo doesn't 'get' online compared to Sony...
Good old Sony. Ever since E3 a couple of years ago where they hit it out the park they've done nothing but shoot themselves in the foot and make themselves look like the morons who ran Sony Europe for years.
@Riririn They could, but that would take effort. As someone who has dealt twice with the arseholes who work for Sony wanting money back off them (anyone from Sony reading, I still want that money back thanks) I can tell you first hand they don't want to make any effort whatsoever to help you. Answering the phone is a chore for them.
A few days ago my PS4 would not let me log in and told me to change my password for security purposes and would not let me log in till i did. Did this happen to anyone else?
@themcnoisy It's outrageous that such expensive DLC even exists but you should probably put your wallet where your son can't find it. Don't take this the wrong way tho, I'm sure you originally trusted your son which is something you'd like to do. I can understand.
Similar things have happened to parents whom have given their children their own smart devices. It's very easy to spend a lot of money there without really understanding it's real, for a kid anyway. Those companies are just trying to make money. They are doing it the wrong way yes but in the end there's nothing you can do.
@The_Great_WmR Someone may have tried to log onto your account by guessing the password. Yes I'd change it just in case. If you're lucky it was just some stupid kid trying to get in. I don't think it have happened to me yet...
@Riririn Well i don't know what happen but so far no problems has really happen so no worries here just wondering if this was wide spread
@The_Great_WmR happened 3 or 4 times to me. I wouldn't be too concerned. @Riririn the problem I have is that there should be a limit, from spending on a few games and the odd (and this is me here and I'm a retail no dlc kinda guy) arcade game, to £120 in an hour that's gotta be suspicious. yup hes a conniving little git, and we now lock cards away and everything is family timed and secure as possible.
Yeh that happened to me thought it might have been a con but it wouldn't let me in until I changed it, so had to in the end @The_Great_WmR
@themcnoisy No I agree with you. There should be SOME kind of limit to how much you can spend in an hour/day. The question is who decides what's too much? Many gamers are adults taking care of their own money, if they put the cap too low people will complain. If it's too high parents will complain.
It's not easy for Sony or anyone else for that matter to figure out what's right. You could use the parental controls, but we all know that doesn't really work with the older kids. And shutting down the internet is out of the question, most adults use it on a regular basis today as well...
Seems like you've solved your family's problem tho. Too bad you couldn't come to some agreement with EA/Sony.
The PS2 era was great. Still have my modded slim with a library of 100+ games from all over the world. I still pick up new games every week at the local goodwill stores, there's still so much I haven't played yet!
@BLPs I thought they used to charge for PS2 repairs? I remember in high school, my mates used to burn through broken consoles like they were going out of fashion. The PS2 had some serious hardware issues, to be honest.
@get2sammyb Maybe in some places they didn't? I haven't had any problems with the slim models. Only the day 1 fat models had some SERIOUS issues, like spitting out the discs randomly and overheating. Or that's what I've heard.
@get2sammyb
You'd only get charged for PS2 repairs if you're not within your warranty period. When I first got my PS2 slim I burnt out the motherboard with intense gaming sessions of Okami about 5 months into my warranty period so I wasn't charged anything. However when the optical eye wouldn't read anything about a year and a half later I was charged to get that replaced since its warranty expired. (PS. and this all happened at Sony's Hawaii branch)
Keeping the room cool probably extends your console's lifespan too. Because where I live summers aren't long and the rest of the year it's just cold and I never had a problem with any console I owned. My brother's 360 got the red ring of death 3 times tho but that's 'cause the console was really bad in general.
Please watch the language -Tasuki-
We used to have continuous play in the UK for £4.99 a month and any problem with any of my consoles (PSP, PS2 and PS3) they fixed it straight away and no extra charge, the stopped it as people was taking advantage of it by sending theirs and all their mates to be fixed within a few weeks/months, now they want me to pay £125 for a new screen for my sons PS VITA as it just stopped working one day, it is still in its warranty but they won't fix it without me paying, I ended up just buying a new VITA for him as it was cheaper than fixing the old one
@Kie1976 that my friend is a breach of your consumer rights and living in the UK you now have a 2 year period of safety thanks to Brussels last year. Why won't they replace the screen?
@themcnoisy I have to pay because it's the original VITA, not the slim, they said that the original model isn't covered anymore as it's not sold now, even though I got it new of shopto.net for Christmas last year, I got a used one that was is perfect order with 3G/wifi for £60 after they refused to fix it under the warranty
What happened to the Vita? Bought mine 1-2 moths after launch, also the original model. Mine's fine. Was is exposed to moist? Perhaps it was kept in a backpack? Kids do run around an awful lot. Teenagers too. Heh.
@Riririn I'm not too sure, I think he knocked it off the arm of the chair on to the floor, I found it on the floor and asked why it wasn't put away properly and all I got off him was he left it on the chair, he has severe ADHD so it is a possibility but I can't prove it, either way it should be covered as it was only 3 months old when it stopped working, there is sound but no picture at all
@Kie1976 I guess it can't be helped, I mean all kids drop things when they are excited or not thinking clearly like most adults do. I used to drop my Game Boy Color as a child all the time. It kept on working tho, it wasn't as complicated as the new stuff they make these days.
I think it's really stupid that they stopped supporting the old model just because they decided there had to be another one. It's not like it made more people go out and buy a Vita. It still only sells well in Japan. They should have had some spare screens for the old model left somewhere and if not they could have offered you a new console altogether. Preferably, they could have even told stores to stop selling the old models and only continue to sell the new one so that customers wouldn't be confused.
I guess you can't have everything in this world, unless you're Sony. Then you have the money rolling in everyday. Ha!
I love the way these companies do nothing, yet when they are featured on WatchDog they make instant grovelling apologies and refund customers immediately! lol
Sony ripped me off once with a promotion. They said every top up of my PSN account with £50 through Paypal will give me free £10 credit (£100 for £20 etc). Guess what? I never got the credit along with many others who did the same...
We took literally months and months contacting them (after meeting on a forum) to try and get our bonus owed to us and they said it was Paypal's promotion (it blatantly wasn't!).
After they tried every excuse in the book to fob us off and countless emails/phone calls they eventually owned up to their mistake and credited our accounts, however their terrible customer services meant we spent hours trying to claim the money and it probably cost us more to contact them than our "free" money was worth. It wasn't so much not getting the credit that bothered us, more the point that they hadn't kept to their word and ripped us off.
Sony's entire customer service department needs revamping and it's not an exaggeration to say it's an absolute disgrace. One of the worst companies I have dealt with actually and I've dealt with many. Rude, unresponsive, accusing are just the tip of the iceberg to describe their "support".
I won't be doing any promotion Sony offers in the future that's for sure.
EDIT - since the fiasco above I've noticed that companies are more responsive to issues if you hashtag them on Twitter with your issue. It seems they don't like anything remotely negative said about them so if you have an issue try tweeting!
@Kie1976 Would that be covered under the warranty though? My son is always leaving his vita on arms of chair, despite constant nagging, but were it to get knocked onto floor and broken I don't think I'd expect a free repair or replacement.
@themcnoisy you as a parent should do a better job of monitoring your son with your bank card, it's not EAs job to deal with parents who allow children to purchase digital products then want a refund!
Anyone who inputs there card details into a console or phone without understanding the risks are idiots.
@stevejcrow I didn't mind paying for it to be fixed but £125 for a new screen is a bit high when the console only cost me £150 in the first place
@Kie1976 Yeah, a bit steep.
@DirectAim you clearly never read my second post, and as for your response companies have been taken to court and lost on this issue. That said what I didn't see coming was something I could have prevented. As for calling me an idiot I'm a university graduate in business administration and I am a fully skilled precision mechanical engineer. So no I'm not an idiot, it quite simply happened and we tried to find a resolution.
I feel like the only person in the world that knows of personal responsibility.
Sony do not take customer service seriously but then that goes for most companies.
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