There'll be very little Christmas cheer for the unfortunate band of technicians tasked with keeping the PlayStation Network online this month, as attackers have threatened to bring Sony's service to its knees over the all-important holiday break. A group named Phantom Squad has already successfully unsettled Xbox Live this evening, and it says that the Japanese giant is next in its cross hairs.
Of course, this is fast becoming a regular thing, as PSN was disrupted for days last holiday, resulting in multiple arrests and some apologetic offers from the platform holder as compensation. While the group claims that it's targeting the gaming giants as a means of exposing security flaws, our understanding is that DDoS attacks are incredibly difficult to defend against.
To be fair, Sony's online service has been much sturdier this year, so hopefully it's found a way of at least mitigating the sudden spikes in bogus traffic. It looks like it's going to be a long end to the month for the manufacturer's network maintenance team, though β here's hoping that they can keep us all happily connected while we enjoy some time off over the course of the fast-approaching holidays.
[source eurogamer.net]
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At least I going to be offline that day
@andrew20 Haha, that's the spirit! Time to dig out those old Monopoly sets!
I am going to play my vita games offline also my 3DS.
Oh gosh, not again. If that's happens again, I vote we all get out our cleavers or sword hammers and let the night of the hunt begin.
And seriously, to expose security flaws? Because you can't find a different day than Christmas to do that. They just want to cause havo.
Phantom squad? Man these guys need a better name than that. They must of been to the same marketing school as the team behind the xbox one or Dragon quest something or other tree woe something.
I propose - The Phantom Pain.
PSN has been more stable this year, I have to admit. Last year it seemed liked there was an issue every other week. This year, not many problems I remember at all.
Too bad there are those out there to who want to ruin the fun for everybody. I'm really sick of people like this. Yes, they're not killing anybody but it's still pretty scummy and can ruin somebody's Christmas. I just don't get it, these people aren't proving any point whatsoever.
So they are doing it to expose weaknesses in the online structure. Here is a thought why not get a job with Sony and show them that way without disrupting everyone else.
The only reason these guys do that is because the courts are soft on the punishment for this kind of crime.
@Gamer83 Actually, they are proving to be idiots with no respect to anyone. I hate this kind of people.
@get2sammyb Anyway, as a happy christmas gift, though, Square announced two upcoming trailers for KHIII and II.8 to be released tomorrow! I didn't see an article about it, so I thought you might not know. =)
While I hope Sony and MS have made the proper precautions, these guys are scum if they do this. No one thinks you are cool.
Get a life.
They are threatening to take it offline Christmas day?
I'd be more impressed if they could help keep it online Christmas day. Christmas, Black Friday, new game release, there are just some days you know it's going to be down.
@RenanKJ Where did you get your info about Square-Enix releasing trailers for both KH III and KH II.8?
I know for sure I'll be getting a couple new PS4 games for Christmas, and I'll be more than a little mad if the network is down. Just Cause 3 being one of them, since I'll want to download the patches for the game to run smoother before actually hopping in.
lizard squad phantom squad just a bunch of script kiddies who have no idea how to do a proper hack just a bunch of pratts
Unfortunately to stop a ddos attack you would have to stop all traffic coming into Sony's servers because its basically a massive dater dump that just seems like normal traffic generated by PlayStation gamers and obviously Sony doesn't want to stop all traffic.
Im sure I read somewhere that both Sony and Microsoft were going to work together to combat this very issue. Whether or not they've actually managed sore find a solution only time will tell. This group bringing down PSN and Xbox Live in the guise of pointing out alleged security flaws are talking complete crap as it has absolutely nothing to do with security.
Infact it has more to do with them gaining notoriety.
I feel sorry for all those people that will be getting an XB1 or PS4 for Xmas because it were me I would be very upset. But if it does go down I will just play Fallout 4 or The Witcher 3.
The only way we're ever going to stop these attacks and the people behind them is to give them much larger prison sentences. But we've gotta catch them first.
@ToddlerNaruto Facebook. It's on Kingdom Hearts' page. =)
@RenanKJ Do you have a direct link to the specific post in question?
I'm not being lazy, just don't have much time left before I have to leave to take care of sumthin important.
@ToddlerNaruto Here you go: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153188159420841&substory_index=0&id=76090440840
I'm crazy to watch it!
So thay are going to DDoS attack a company on a day it see's a high amount of traffic anyway, wow you guys are very skilled.
People like this should be made an example of when caught & given a prison sentence.
I will be highly displeased if those idiots ruined another year's Christmas break for me. I want to chill and enjoy games. At least I have Xenoblade Chronicles X as a backup plan.
These pathetic children won't be getting visited by Santa, I'm sure.
@Tasuki I hope those ddosers read this.
@andrew20 Same!
@RenanKJ Thanks mare, they better not lie to us again.
Or only show another 10 seconds of new content.
@RenanKJ yea just watched a kingdom hearts utuber talk about it cant wait for tomorow
@ToddlerNaruto the 10 seconds was because they showed a whole new trailer at d23 but didn't release it world wide only at the show that 10 sec vid was a recap of the whole d23 show showing snippets of what was announced there
And Sony will be ready. Those hackers will pay just wait and see. I believe, PlayStation Power! And i Hope xbox ppl stay online too
By now it's pretty common knowledge that these ddos attacks are tough to combat. The trick for sony this year is what ms does very well. Get up and running quickly. Also, when ms network starts to go haywire, different services won't work, but core mp, generally is the last thing to go. Also, sony better have someone manning the Twitter account, because their communication is laughable. So to recount.
Step 1: get up and running quickly, while keeping everyone informed as to what's going on.
That's it. If they do this, it's a successful holiday season.
People who still believe in these "squads" attacking them should think about when they're targeted: Christmas, the most busy time of the year. Could it be that MS and Sony know their servers won't hold it, don't care to invest more for 1 or 2 peak moments a year and just made up the Lizard Squad?
Sony not so much, but MS has the best engineers and more capacity available to them then any hacker could ever use up, yet they are being DDOS'ed every year with Christmas. Funny how just a few weeks before Christmas the "threats" begin again and they show of their "strength"...how convenient; last year there were DDOS attacks with big releases and holidays and now we're about see them yet again.
They did improve their stability, but instead of "hackers"'attacking them when people want to play most, I think it's all BS and it's just a cover up for peak traffic which in itself is hard to cope with.
Yeah target Sony and Microsoft over Christmas, that's where the evil in the world is...
Clueless f***wits.
@Boerewors "more capacity available to them then any hacker could ever use up" - they really don't. They do have a huge capacity, but they have a huge online presence and also run Azure, which is the cloud platform other companies use to run their own IT infrastructure. So they can't just reallocate capacity from these other, arguably more important areas, just because some idiots are swamping the Xbox Live servers with false traffic. DDOS attacks are almost impossible to prevent, but there are solutions to mitigate the amount of downtime they cause. This is where hopefully Sony have improved, so that if something does happen, the service is down for hours rather than days. If they've any sense, they've outsourced it to a company that specialises in this.
And said idiots are certainly not hackers. That's allocating them far too much in the way of skill and knowledge.
@professorhat
Azure has a huge overcapacity so that the professional users are never left in the cold. And when is almost the only time a year these professionals aren't using Azure? Right, in Christmas time. So the could easily reallocate some the capacity to keep Live going....but they choose not to.
I simply can't believe that DDOSers just wanna attack them during Christmas, why not when an EA game launches (most hated company) for instance? It's simply too many people coming online for them to handle and they're hiding behind Lizard Squads and what not. These services get attacked on a daily basis, hundreds of times, they know how to deal with it. But in peak moments they need extra resources to cope with both the regular attacks and the influx of so many gamers and they simply don't wanna spend more money on it because it occurs so little. It's cheaper to let some people send these threats and make a "Squad" for something that happens all the time.
Unless you own a Wii U, there won't be a lot of gaming going on during this Christmas, and expect it to change: gaming on Christmas morning when you just unwrapped your new shiny console is something that belongs to the past unfortunately.
It's bad news but this is where I'm happy I have Fallout 4, Personna 4 and Final Fantasy 7
I would suggest not naming the group of idiots paying for these DDOS attacks, only gives them the notoriety that they crave and gives them incentive to do it again. They're just a bunch of trolls, all they want is attention.
@RenanKJ great news!!!
Unfortunately I can't say I wasn't expecting something like this again over the holiday period.
Pretty sad really, and not an awful lot Sony can do to defend against it.
@Tasuki It's not really a weakness, though. From what I understand, they're just pointing millions of requests at the service's servers to overload them. Imagine if you got 1,000 people and tried to push them through the same door frame simultaneously. That's what they're doing.
So what.
What a bunch of douche bags. Why would they even want this kind of attention? When I hear there name I think oh those who ruined my kids Christmas because she couldn't download the updates for her new games? Yep hate those.
Language -Tasuki-
I genuinely hope something terrible happen's to these people, a good spell in prison would be a start let's face it they wouldn't last 5 minute's they only feel powerfull and cocky when they are safely hidden behind their computer screens, face to face they would crumble like little girls. A good real life punch in the face is what they need instead of being protected by the people that should punish them, same old story.
do these people really have so little to do they have to try and spoil everyone else's fun, this is one of the reasons i'm afraid of a always online gaming future, there would be a DDoS attack every week
@tenderbeefcake at least you can still play offline but i understand what your on about, i just feel bad for all of the people who are getting the systems new for xmas and won't be able to play them
shops should put up warnings telling parents this may happen to help keep complaints down to a minimum (although they shouldn't have to really but in this day and age when every idiot with a keyboard thinks they have the right to do as they please they really have too)
If I do put on the PS4 at Xmas I just play off-line 'Family' games with the erm Family Shame these idiots have to do this tho and hopefully they will be found and punished if they do it.
you know it's not ideal but if parents already have a PS4 for their kids XMAS (or Wii U or XB1) they should get it all set up now,download any updates and create at least an parent account so IF it is down on xmas day at least their kids could still play offline and then make a childs account when it comes back up
I still remember last year : - "Little Johnnie's Christmas RUINED after he still has Β£500 worth of gaming equipment he got from "Santa", but instead of locking himself in his room and playing his mate Baz at Fifa online, he might have to wait a couple of days of his school holiday to do that and instead spend Christmas and boxing day playing the dad that did countless overtime to pay for it offline, and actually, you know, talk to the old fart."
Truly the kind of chilling incident Childline was created for.
Ok I will be Splatooning that day then.
@ToddlerNaruto from square , its all over the net kingdom hearts trailer go check out USgamer
Great time to play Battlefront, Oh wait...almost no content offline
Wasn't planning on going online anyway, I will be scoffing some Turkey and drinking anything that happens to come my way
Pesky hacking kids. I hope they choke on their Christmas selection boxes.
Well, lucky for me I probably won't be gaming online. It's nearly effortless to DDoS something and it doesn't "expose security flaws". It's just flooding their servers with traffic. It's just a bunch of friendless "hackers" who have nothing better to do than bother people who get a new game for the holiday.
Oh for the love of...
I absolutely despise people like this. Were these kids dropped on their heads as children? These sacks need to get a life. There are so many better things to do on Christmas. Spend time with families, go on a date with that special person, maybe do something good in the world? Nope! Let's screw up a server for kicks. Absolutely pathetic. I don't care if they're killing people or not. Nothing justifies this.
Language -Tasuki-
The hacking thing is getting tired. The idiots will do the hack they will be traced and arrested they will give up there other hacking buddies because they are too soft to do serious time. The prison time needs to be much higher to deter these attacks.
I do play online on the 25th December but there are other games I can play which are offline.
The hackers should fight for a decent cause.
Ok guys I know this is upsetting news and this is a rotten thing to do on Christmas but let's watch the language please.
Remember play you offline games.Just in case I hate hacking. These people need something better to do.
Why do people assume its going to be just kids that are going to be disappointed over Xmas. Some of us grown ups only get a few days off of work and actually look forward to getting some overdue gaming in.
Infact I don't understand why anytime gaming is brought up in conversations people usually refer to gamers being children, when in reality the vast majority of gamers these days are adults. I think the average age is something like 25-35.
Im 39 and I've been playing video games since the early 1980's and I will continue to game until im too old and weak to hold a controller.
In regards to the impending Xmas ddos attack, I was saying to my friends that this Xmas will be a repeat of last year. The reason why I knew it would happen again this year is because of two reasons. (1) Its far to easy to implement the "denial of service" when compared to the traditional hack, and as such, any brain dead moron can do it. (2) Because last years ddos attacks were so successful it has encouraged other wannabe "hackers" to make a name for themselves as they know that there is little Sony and Microsoft can do to prevent the attack.
Its inevitable that its going to happen. I just hope PSN and Xbox Live services aren't effected for too long. I know Microsoft got Xbox Live back up alot quicker than Sony did for PSN. Xbox Live has already been seeing these attacks since yesterday.
"While the group claims that it's targeting the gaming giants as a means of exposing security flaws, our understanding is that DDoS attacks are incredibly difficult to defend against."
Exactly. A DDoS has nothing at all to do with security, it's entirely a bandwidth issue, and no matter how bandwidth you have, it's always finite. With enough rented (or possibly hacked) PCs firing traffic, any network can be taken offline. Networks bigger, more important, and more secure than Sony's and Microsoft's have been downed in this fashion. NASA, the FBI, several banks... all have suffered this kind of attack and been brought down.
As has been said, this isn't "hacking", so I do wish sites would stop attributing that much credit to these... people.
Just remember people - and spread the word far and wide: If this does actually happen, remember that directing your anger at Sony or Microsoft is a complete waste of time, as it's pretty much beyond their control. Save your anger for the cretins carrying out the attack, and if you have any information as to who it is, drop them in it with the authorities.
As with last year, I doubt it's a "squad" at all. Most likely it's 2 or 3 spoilt, socially inept losers who have been told they have to go to Aunty Jemima's on Christmas Day with mummy and daddy, and since they can't sit around playing games all day, they're going to try and make damn sure the rest of us can't either.
As far as i'm aware these DDos attacks are basically bot software making a gizzilion accounts in one go.How about disabling sign ups for psn for a short time when its going on? sorry if i don't know what i'm talking about..I'd still take a bit of downtime over internet 2.0 anyway,say no to internet 2.0.
DDos. Security? LOL. They can't be very clever if they think DDoS will expose security flaws. All it "exposes" is that Sony aren't as good as responding to outages as Microsoft. "Why?" you ask oh you fanboy you? Perhaps because Microsoft run an entire enterprise cloud hosting business "on the side" and have thousands of highly trained technicians and tens of data centres all running buttery smooth for infrastructures that dwarf XBL? What do I know...
In any case, why Sony hasn't invested in something like Cloudflare yet, I can't fathom. True it can't stop the largest attacks, but it definitely helps.
EDIT: Actually, looking at the store URL at least, it's definitely hosted on Akamai's CDN, however, that doesn't help take down the site really. You can't use CDN cached pages to make a transaction, but hey, at least the store will kind of load when under attack!
Not sure where the actual PSN auth gateways are hosted and I can't be arsed figuring it out, but considering that Sony is a large enterprise, they definitely have the funds to invest in DDoS mitigation tools. Once again, a large enough attack and DDoS mitigation is moot, but if anything it makes the attackers think twice and try harder, which in itself is kind of a deterrent.
Ahh well, can't wait to see the fanboy flamewars on various sites from people with little or no knowledge on hosting technology saying "lulz psn are infireror! sony is haxed ever day!" etc...
Yay! Something to look forward to on X Mas. π. I dealt with this crap last year with the Xbox One. Hopefully something can be done about this year.
Eh I'll be playing yakuza 5 or splatoon sooooooooooooooooooo.
Same thing different year.
@ComicBookGuy Its down to the money its that simple MS unending funding. Sony a struggling company with a awsome console for me personally. Just 2 words Windows, Office. And in the end no one wins
@Boerewors well, it's certainly a theory, but not one I can subscribe to. The vast majority have no idea what a DDOS attack is and just see it as the company having poor security. The reputational damage of this is far worse than spending some money on extra compute capacity for genuine users.
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