I write about video games for a living, so I'm used to seeing people overreact on the internet. I've grown accustomed to seeing people spew hilarious hyperbole on a regular basis - hell, I've done it myself - but there's something about E3 that rubs me the wrong way. Namely, the annual Los Angeles event brings out some of the biggest hypocrites that the gaming community has to offer.
Ultimately, publishers simply can't win when it comes to putting on press conferences. The little nugget of wisdom that is "you can't please everyone" applies to almost all aspects of entertainment, but it's been at the forefront of my mind throughout this year's E3. Putting so much effort into crafting a huge press conference only to have it casually dismissed as "boring" or "garbage" by forum users must be infuriating.
Now, I don't think E3 2017 has been that good. We've seen some great looking games that's for sure, but it hasn't set the industry alight. Surprises have been few and far between, and the conferences themselves have been a little lacking in life. I don't think any one presser really stood out, and at the end of the day, I think most of us watch E3 unfold because we want to be entertained. It's a time when games are elevated beyond their status as consumer products - they're put on display like works of art in a really expensive gallery.
But what actually makes a good press conference? What convinces us that a publisher is at the top of its trade? I imagine most would argue that it's all about the games; show us the goods and we'll be happy. Factor in a few key reveals here and there - make the audience gasp in disbelief at least once - and you're onto something special. The only problem is that even when a publisher ticks all the boxes, you'll still get people saying it wasn't what they wanted.
Case in point, let's take a look at Sony. At E3 2015 the PlayStation maker blew us away with three massive reveals: the return of The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and Shenmue III. In terms of pure spectacle, I reckon this was one of the best ever E3 press conferences. However, many will quickly dismiss it based on the fact that only one of those titles has made it to market since. That's fair enough, but if you're going to brush aside mind-blowing reveals in favour of gameplay demos and trailers for games that we know are coming, then you surely can't be too critical of Sony's latest show.
Did Sony have a brilliant E3 2017 press conference? No, I don't think it did. Why's that? Well, because it was light on surprises. For me, a Final Fantasy VII Remake-esque moment would have propped the entire show up, but aside from Monster Hunter World and Shadow of the Colossus, everything was pretty much expected. Sony played it safe, but once again, safe isn't good enough for some people - and that's fine. I just hope these same people aren't looking at Sony's E3 2015 presser and saying it was weak for having too many hollow reveals.
You can't look at the Metroid Prime 4 announcement, which consisted of a title screen, and exclaim "Nintendo won E3!" if you then turn around and dismiss the hype of Beyond Good & Evil 2's CG trailer. You can't complain about Sony's lack of human interaction and then moan when a developer hops on stage to talk for more than a minute elsewhere. You can't rant about exclusives being the only games that matter and then say Sony should have padded its show out with third party titles. You can't criticise a developer for "boring" gameplay demos and then say cinematic trailers shouldn't be allowed. You can't say Sony's VR segment was too long and then claim the company isn't properly supporting the device. You can't shout about fans being planted in the audience to provide some cheer and then complain when there isn't enough "atmosphere". You can't use the classic "companies aren't your friends" line and then cry when one doesn't wheel out the exact things that you want. In short, don't be a bloody hypocrite.
So, publishers can't possibly win when it comes to putting on E3 press conferences - you're never going to please everyone. But what you can do is temper expectations. I've mentioned this many times before, but expectations can be horribly dangerous things. The Xbox fans who convinced themselves that the Xbox One X would be priced at $399 and then swore vengeance against Microsoft when $499 hit the screen? That's their own fault. If you get your own hopes up so high to the point where you're never going to be impressed, then why are you sitting in comments sections and on forums typing "this year's E3 was the worst ever!"? Have some self control. Not just for your sake, but for ours as well.
I know it sounds a bit sad - no one likes to act high and mighty on the bloody internet of all places - but reading such hypocritical guff drives me up the wall. And if this kind of stuff gets to me, then I really hope publishers and events organisers don't take it too personally.
Forget not pleasing everyone - sometimes you can't please anyone.
Do you agree with Ramsey's rant? Is there always going to be someone who thinks your press conference was a load of old sh*te? Are gamers too hard to please? Don't hesitate to go off on one in the comments section below.
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Soapbox: It's profitable to publish negative editorials each year about E3.
Can we get some jolly vibes up in this industry?
@OneBagTravel Like this one?
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017/06/reaction_playstation_vr_is_a_winner_at_e3_2017
Is anybody pointing at the Metroid Prime 4 logo and saying Nintendo 'won' E3.
I hate saying anyone 'won' E3, but one logo certainly does not do it.
That moment of inner conflict when you heartily agree with an article but wish this article hadn't happened. Or, to put it better, had no reason to happen. But alas, here we are, and boy, can I relate to people like the author having had it up to here already.
Can't please everybody.
I didn't watch the Sony press conference, but I was left scratching my head when I saw "Shadow of The Colossus for PS4" as the main headline coming from the conference. Sony must have seen a backlash coming with such a thin set of announcements to make at E3.
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Robert preach on brother!!!! It's so true that fans love to complain and very hard to please. I think the show was a success for Sony but ko where near as good as the yrs before. I appreciate them at least having a soft release day window for the big games.
My only major disappointment was spidey not coming out this yr but I am also happy it's not rushed out for the movie. This will be most likely my favorite game next yr.
Microsoft prove to me why I am glad to be a Sony pony since they have no AAA first party good games. I love graphics but not enough over just buying multi plats and my console/PS4 not having great exclusives.
Ramsey isnt wrong.
I'd rather hear about projects in a timely matter rather than trying to group them all into a yearly conference. Call me crazy, but if a game won't be out for a year or two anyways, I don't really care about it yet.
for its more that fact that Sony kind of didn't seem bothered don't get me wrong the games they had on show were excellent but where was Sucker Punchs new stuff or the rumoured RDR2 reveal, don't have themselves to blame with people being disappointed with them.cos of what they've shown last few years
Microsoft bragged about 22 exclusives most of which were indie games and not actually exclusives at all just console firsts, they based there whole show on 4k and the only first party game that was new was Forza 7
Nintendo were actually quite good and it made me want a Switch as much as anything else
Do you really think publishers care about forum dwellers reactions? Obviously people will always complain. They can also change their opinions as the games take shape. They also have tastes, so a reveal that wows you won't faze other people and viceversa, regardless of the amount of game shown.
Sony has two shows per year, Nintendo announces things whenever they please, E3 are no longer the be all end all of announcements. Publishers release their games, pay for ads and then check their bank accounts. Artists just fulfill their vision beyond the acceptance of the masses, as it has always been the case.
I dunno... I agree to an extent. I quite liked Sony's showing, and I found MS to be quite entertaining as well. Ubisoft showed nothing I was interested in, but I know many people really liked it. All in all, I'd struggle to call it "bad" as I've had about 5 hours of content I've found interesting, but there was nothing that truly blew me away.
EA was awful though, the chat on here was hilarious.
Great well written article!
there will always be people who don't like them, mostly the fanboys hating on the other systems because they somehow have to justify which lump of plastic they decided to buy
still i will say this about this years E3 they were all kind of boring, they showed some great games but what was in between was just dull, they all had poor flow and a few cringe worthy moments but then again E3 isn't as important as it used to be, most are holding their big guns for other conferences, even Sony said so
but in my opinion those in between bits are not as important as WHAT is shown, the games and the hardware and in my opinion Sony had the stronger offering, at least for me although Forza 7 looked good
also Nintendo showed some good things but they don't really do conferences anymore so i don't count them
I agree, but only b/c of my severe disdain for hypocrites, and I feel like that was the bane of this authors existence, causing himself to refer to himself in the 3rd person in the subtitle, always a bad sign for one's mental health.
E3's been kinda lame this year, b/c it is, but of all the hypocrisy from year to year, whatever people miss 1 year they ask for then when they get it they complain, is really draining.
I do take exception to the face value of the title - "Publishers Can't Bloody Win" - b/c the article talks about when a publisher very well did win, E3 2015. So they can win, it just isn't very easy to do. Nintendo also won with Spaceworld in 2000.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzYWeZ6_VXQ
Then they made Wind Waker and all the good will vanished.
I kinda feel bad for Ubi, they won E3, but b/c it's Ubi, nobody cares.
As for all of the whining on the internet in general - it's the internet, that's what it's for.
Would this rant exist if Sony had put on the best show?
@Sinton I think Sony did put on the best show...
Great article!
To me E3 is all about the future, not the right now. Surprises are nice, but really there are so many great games on PlayStation that I don't feel like I should complain. I'm content.
I also recognize that Sony have multiple press conferences and have to cater to a far more diverse fanbase than MS/Nintendo. So if something isn't for me, it will be for someone else. You can't please everyone.
They don't owe us anything. They provide the platform and we decide whether we buy in or take our money elsewhere.
@sinalefa No, I doubt executives look at forums and say "hey, we better pay attention!"
However, publishers do take general feedback on board. That's why Bethesda and Sony both had press conferences that featured virtually no talking on stage. Those kinds of changes don't happen unless you're paying attention to the audience.
@ShogunRok Well, then let me rephrase: Would this rant exist if the rest of the world agreed with you?
Microsoft lie.because metro exodus was running on pc.not on Xbox x.that's crazy
Sure they can. Ubisoft did great, and that's the general consensus.
@get2sammyb PSVR being a winner? Yeah, that's a negative.
@playstation1995 yeah i heard that, i also heard that Assassin's Creed Origins was using Checkerboard rendering to get it's 4K visuals and that's how the PS4 does it
perhaps the XBX just wasn't ready for E3 so they used a P.C that could emulate the way it works but if that's the case they should have said so
@Sinton Hmmmm, probably not. For the record, I think Sony did have the best show, but it wasn't anything amazing. A lot of people seem to think the same, so I suppose that air of disappointment acted as the catalyst for this article. If Sony had a universally praised show, then I wouldn't have seen the comments and forum posts that led to me writing this.
@ShogunRok @Sinton Surely the point is that the world will never agree, though, right? There's so much hypocrisy that you simply cannot win whichever way you swing.
And it applies to all of the publishers and platform holders, not just Sony — as the article points out.
All of the shows were disappointing. Outside of Beyond Good & Evil, SotC and Monster Hunter for consoles other than Nintendo, there weren't any surprises. Seeing gameplay was nice, as it guarantees that 2018 will be as jam packed with quality games as 2017, but no one except Ubisoft had a true "megaton".
Looking forward to all those PSVR games though!
Amen, Ramsey. Amen. We are all hypocrites and pessimistic fools. Or at least I am.
You make good points, Robert.
Honestly, I came to realize that when someone comments on the web on an E3 conference and calls it 'boring' or 'garbage', he basically means 'I didn't see what I, SPECIFICALLY, wanted to see. Ergo, it was garbage.' Of course, this is hyperbolic, and extremely subjective.
But the truth is this: While many consider 2015's E3 one of Sony's best E3s, people who never cared about Shenmue, The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy VII Remake and the like will call it garbage, probably out of spite for not seeing info on their most anticipated title, or for yet again, not seeing the announcement they hoped to see.
It's an extremely selfish outlook but it makes sense, in a way.
Lame article.
Didn't read it.
Edit: but nah I agree, gamers suck. I was very dismissive of EAs but...c'mon!!!
I am probably guilty of a little hypocrisy as I am sure many are. As one of the most exciting times of the year to be a gamer, it does go to our head and we tend to act a little entitled. I defo thought 2015 was overhyped but then I thought this year didn't have any surprise reveals. I preferred 2016's that had surprises but they felt quite mature, like Days Gone. Anyway, I think we wait and speculate all year and then what we think we want does or doesn't appear we get a little moany.
I think the overall consensus from what I have seen is the same. Solid show but nothing spectacular. I actually think E3 isn't the best format, Nintendo have it right by regular updates. Cheaper too!
@get2sammyb @ShogunRok
Personally, I think Sony put on a solid show, but it was let down by previous shows in two regards: First, by setting the bar very high. And second, by having announced games already, that they might as well have announced this year instead (since there appearantly was nothing new to report on these games).
It's hard to find the right balance. Sometimes you have to "win" one year to keep the momentum up, even if that sabotages next years show.
If you make a list of the 10 most exciting games coming to PS4, how many was revealed this year, and how many did we learn more about this year? (Now, there's a challenge for you.)
@ShogunRok
I hope they do change things because of feedback. As I think I said it before, I watched Sony's conference live this year since they have made changes in pacing.
In any case, you know how anonimity and the internet can make people so vocal. Words like "garbage", "sucks", "best", "Won E3" are used with reckless abandon, so I have learned not to take them so seriously. They are just opinions at the end of the day, even if some word them as facts.
No new hardware=boring e3 (we all knew before about scorpio)
Thank you!
And let's not forget, Sony is hosting their own event later this year (+ they're usually attending TGS), so we will see more games. Although, to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if I need another handful of games to look forward to.
@sinalefa Very true.
@Sinton Yeah, I get what you're saying. No company's going to be able to knock it out of the park every year.
I think E3 live stage conferences as a whole should be phased out. With Sony's format being more of a series of trailers and gameplay videos, I don't really see the point of having a hall full of people to show them. Mind this isn't a knock on what they showed or how they showed it, I just don't think it is worth it for them. They could more readily control everything in a pre-made video, and release it at a certain time. That is one area where I think Nintendo got it right. They showed their pre-made video, and then jumped in to hours of coverage via their Treehouse. They had developers come out and talk about their games, answer some questions, and dig a little deeper into the content. They even revealed a few more games there.
Sony has their live developer panels in addition to their stage show already. The more focused "Live from E3" coverage is a better way to dig a little deeper than cramming developers on stage during a short presentation. For whatever reason, people see this as "wasting time" (at least, this is what I see on a different forum I mod) that could otherwise be used for showing more of the games. I thought Sony's content was fine, but I don't think the stage is really necessary anymore. The human interaction was and still is available, it just wasn't shown, nor needed, during their hour conference. You are absolutely right though, it seems like you can't please anyone.
And the idea of "winning" E3 is just silly. Even if I wasn't personally interested in something, I know that there is someone out there excited about it.
i had a feeling that there was a sense of obligation to some of the conferences that i saw. E3 is a media/industry showcase, and it's kind of expected that big players would be there to put on a show, but i think few feel that putting all the reveals eggs in the one basket isn't sensible with the media frenzy that sounds it.
sure, for sony, it could have revealed whatever sucker punch is working on, or the new collaboration with from software, etc. but the same could be said for EA who've two star games in development (how long have we known about amy hennig's SW game).. does anyone think that 343 industries is not well into development on halo 6 for microsoft?? etc. a lot of the shows could have been tempered/subdued by design, imo. AAA game development cycles are getting longer and longer.. i think the days of when a game was revealed, released the year after, and the sequel announced at the very next E3 are gone.
The lack of surprises doesn't help when various sites spoil things that were going to be announced. Games like Monster Hunter and Shadow of the Colossus were pretty much spoiled on this website alone. Let alone anywhere else, it's fun to speculate but if people go out of their way looking at Job ADs and patents for upcoming games then who's that really benefiting in the long run?
Great article, @ShogunRok.
I think we're all guilty of this to some extent. We can all get a bit overexcited about games we're looking forward to, and it can get out of hand fairly quickly if we're not careful. Case in point: No Man's Sky.
But in terms of E3, this article is bang on - publishers will never, ever please everyone all the time. There is no real "right" way to present your conference, and that's evident in how diverse they are. EA's was vastly different from Nintendo's, for example, but both have fans and both showed off some cool stuff. There will never be a sweet spot for E3 conferences, because our expectations are always in flux.
One day we'll all learn that, really, none of this matters, and that games are just bloody games, and we should all be happy that games exist and that they're as awesome as they are. And maybe we'll all learn to accept that different people like different things, and we can all just chill out and play the damn things
I was more than happy with Sony at E3, it seemed obvious to me that there would be little in the way of surprises given that most of the top games announced at the last couple of shows still haven't been released. They did well in promoting VR with some excellent games coming out and the likes of God of War look outstanding.
I think some of the dissatisfaction is because of the way gaming has become a bit predictable. Microsoft are great at making hardware and the X does look phenomenal but have struggled for years on the software front, so they have to come with yet another Forza and a franchise they bought in Minecraft as if 4K will make any difference to that game. Nintendo's first party stuff has spread out since the move to HD so whilst they new Mario looks amazing they also give us title screens and Zelda items in every open world game that is released for their consoles, whilst shoehorning motion controls into lots of others. Ubisoft always have Assassins Creed and some online mp game and Bethesda are trying to get Skyrim into the record books for the number of re releases.
Speaking of Bethesda, I feel they have got this type of show spot on because they have adopted an approach of showing us new games only a few months before release. So we had the likes of Fallout 4 a few months after announcement, with Doom VR and Skyrim coming out very soon yet we still have no idea when we'll be saying Days Gone and FFVII which were revealed a long time ago
though in some cases for bethesda, you could argue that releasing games so soon after announcement doesn't help build anticipation. review embargoes don't help either. prey for example did spectacularly badly at retail, at least in the UK..
I was happy with Sony's conference. No complaints here.
The Pokemon and Metroid 'reveal' was the weirdest E3 moment I've had yet though. I should have been so happy at the news, and I am, but it was given in such an... offhand way.
Sony's FFVII, Shenmue, Last Guardian Conference was fantastic, Beyond Good and Evil 2, really well done. Give us some gameplay and keep us guessing at what we're being shown...
These two games being revealed should have been among those sort of moments with the whole audience applauding but instead we were just told they were in development and given a logo... No cheering or explaination/detail, just onto the next video. And the next. : /
Good article, but it's a flawed argument really.
Similar to football clubs fans feel ownership over the brand they have allied themselves to and everyone has conflicting opinions. In many ways Sony has fed off that by appeasing both the old and new gamers and have year on year given us what we wanted and more. This E3 their winning run has started to falter.
The games shown were good, days gone looked much improved for instance and Minster Hunter was an awesome intro. But the games and subjects we want and talk about often we're missing in action.
As for people tuning in to watch E3, which is a tougher commitment here in Europe, if the presentation is weak your free to make your voice heard.
But that doesn't excuse lazy commenting. If I see a 'I'm bored' comment, it reminds me of my son when we are eating in a restaurant and I ignore both.
I'm already sick of hearing nintendo won E3 based on a screenshot. Hell yes I'm excited for Prime 4, but it was a screenshot! The truth is, everybody won at this E3. Sony, Nintendo and MS are ALL bringing good games to their systems.
For the next e3, sony should use single jpeg picture for its game rather than lengthy gameplay demo
@Shepherd_Tallon Hahaha, that's brilliant.
I mostly agree with this, but I think it's possible to dislike something and mention why without people assuming that I'm labeling it the worst E3 ever or that the developers are terrible people (I know it takes a lot of time and effort to host a conference).
But I find it kind of strange that we can all agree this year wasn't the best, but when I mention that I hope Playstation Experience is better (i.e. has that "wow" factor you mentioned) suddenly it's a problematic opinion?
Also, I think it's healthy to realize that this is a Playstation Website so it is really easy to become biased towards Playstation and what they do and don't do. I hope the comments never become super hateful fan rhetoric, but isn't there a huge margin of error before we reach that point?
Imo, I liked Nintendo's presentation the best (so did my sister and two of my friends). I think it was the better of the three (for various reasons) and our opinion is no more right or wrong than those who say Xbox won, or for a lot of people on here, that Playstation won.
Also, sorry for this message @ShogunRok. (T-T ) You're one of my favorite writers here and I don't want this to come across as if I disagree with you. I think this article is important.
@Shepherd_Tallon
lol. yeah. You know, it's kind of funny what resonates with us and makes a memorable E3 presentation. Tbh, my favorite reveal this year was for a game I'll never buy. It was for Forza. Like, there are other games I like more and am more excited for (like Shadows of the Colossus and Metroid) but the Forza trailer was the only one that made me almost jump out of my seat.
It didn't even start off that way. I was like, oh great, another racing game (Mario Kart is the only one I like), but then "Blood in the Cut" starts to play, and then the driver walks out, and I'm like OMG!! The driver! The driver is a woman! That never happens in racing games! I can create my driver!!! OMG!!
It's my favorite trailer so far but like I said before I'll probably never buy it because I don't like racing games (and know next to nothing about cars). But the trailer does a good job of almost convincing me. (^_^ )
@Shepherd_Tallon
Yeah it was pretty great. (^_^ )
I don't have a 4k tv though so I wouldn't be able to experience it on high settings, but I got chills watching it.
And racing games are pretty hardcore. I guess they have to be because every guy I've talked to who loves cars like really loves them. There's no inbetween. Either they don't care about cars or they're obsessed. lol.
@Utena-mobile Not at all, you bring up some good points, and I agree with them. Like @Shepherd_Tallon says though, I was trying to highlight the hypocrisy of some people more than anything - that's what really gets to me.
But yeah, a lot comes down to personal taste. Some people really loved Ubisoft conference, for example, but none of the games that it showed really appealed to me outside of Assassin's Creed. Again, you can't please everyone... and that's fine!
@wiiware
Not any worse than showing a trailer of a game you're likely not going to play for 10-15 years. At least Metroid Prime 4 will be out some time this decade. Can the same be said for Final Fantasy VII Remake? I'm not counting on it given SE's track record.
The reality is that people will moan about things that other people have asked for.
My life advice is: it's impossible to please everyone, but annoying everyone is the easiest thing ever.
Internet is full of whiners who have no idea what they want.
@Shepherd_Tallon This is always my mindset going into E3, or any other kind of event like it. I just want to see some new games and, if possible, gameplay for said games and even gameplay of previously announced games.
This reminds me of what I said after the whole Pokken Tournament situation.
"Announced for arcades, people complained it wasn't on Wii U.
Announced for Wii U, people complained it wasn't on NX.
Now it's announced for Switch, and people are complaining.
Sounds about right."
Nintendo won E3 yeaaaaah!
@chiptoon Not just the MP4 announcement, but the 3DS Metroid and the amazing looking Mario. I'm a huge Sony guy, but I agree that Nintendo "won" E3.
@chiptoon No way can someone say "Nintendo won E3" with a Metroid 4 teaser, but diehard Metroid fans (myself included) have been absolutely begging Nintendo for a new PROPER installment of any kind (Federation Force does NOT count) for almost a decade and have received nothing but the sound of crickets. This announcement, even though it will be a year or two away from release, at least gives us a reason to stop hating the big N for just ignoring one of their beloved franchises/heroines.
With that said, I personally felt all three showings from MS, Sony, and Nintendo, were fine. They all showed us reasons to play in their playground. Some might seem better than others, but it's truly a great time to be a gamer. Choices are good and I just happen to have chosen Sony and Nintendo, but MS gamers will have their toys too.
@doctommaso agreed! I thought the Nintendo presentation was filled with great content and overall positivity. I just think it's silly for the article to make it sound like they 'won' because of a single logo. So dismissive and does not acknowledge the actual value of what Nintendo did.
@Hordak very much agree with you. Except I quite enjoyed a lot of Federation Force and even loved Other M (gasp!). I'm excited for both Metroids, but also several other games announced. I also think they did an incredible job with the tone of the presentation, the presenters, the Dev interviews etc etc.
Everyone did ok, but I found Sony's pretty monotonous and violent. Mainly I wanted a lot more variety and fun from them.
@chiptoon I too really enjoyed Other M. Bad writing aside, the gameplay was fun. I still haven't finished Federation Force, but I didn't want that type of Metroid game. I was hoping for a classic series entry.
The thing is, All three seem to be a specific sandbox to play in. Nintendo is great at whimsy/wonder and family fun, Xbox is good at online everything, and Sony has the market cornered on epic/experimental and mostly brooding games.
At E3 I want games previously revealed to show actual gameplay and a planned release date at least down to the expected quarter year.
I want CG trailers that show a new game to be time limited to just a few minutes since they represent the games vision rather than the final product.
Also I like snap releases where during the conference they say "you can find the game on the psn store right now" somehow I find that cool but this isn't vital.
Also no one invite ubisoft staff to speak, french Canadians speaking is like a cheese grater to the ears.
Well, Nintendo didn't "win E3" with just a teaser for Metroid Prime 4. It "won," if we're using this juvenile language, by best meeting its fans' expectations, which does include the announcements of Pokemon and MP4 being developed for Switch. And it worked for the same reason that Sony "won" E3 in 2015 with CG trailers and kickstarter announcements: they channeled fan enthusiasm for certain projects in order to dominate the mindshare surrounding the show. Is it cheating a bit that Nintendo channeled the most enthusiasm with a logo and an announcement? Sure. But it was also cheating when Sony used independent kickstarter projects and a barely even in development SE game to channel fan enthusiasm. And in both cases, it didn't matter one bit, because they both generated a positive buzz for their respective companies, which, let's be honest, is the real point of these big E3 presentations.
I thought Sony's conference was fine. I had issues with it, but that was less with the show itself and more with the fact that so many of Sony's first party outings seem to be brooding, Naughty Dog-inspired narrative epics. But I'll try not to disparage Sony for this, because, at this point, criticizing Sony for its brooding TLOU-esque games is about as pointless as criticizing Nintendo for creating so many games with a child-like sense of whimsy. Nothing wrong with the games themselves, I just don't like the direction Sony is going in.
Oh, and I'll totally rag on that BG&E2 trailer, because it was a travesty that felt nothing like the original game.
But why end on negativity? I'll say this: SOTC remake is going to be amazing, and I'm sure Monster Hunter World will be a wonderfully designed game.
When it comes to E3, I'm just happy to see the games I'm interested in, excited for potential new stuff, and look forward to surprises out of curiosity. Who "wins" E3 doesn't mean anything as long as the games I'm looking forward to deliver. So what if Sony played it safe? I'm just happy to see Spider-Man.
Granted, this is coming from someone who doesn't actually watch the conference, but the reaction doesn't mean much to me. The games being good or something I like does matter. Kingdom Hearts 3 may take a while, but it's still something I'm interested in playing.
@chiptoon Ah, well said, pal.
@Ralizah "Juvenile", says the man with the young anime girl avatar.
Nintendo didn't win from the MP4 logo , it won 'cause the games are coming out look so much fun, creative and interesting especially Super Mario Odyssey and the rabbids crossover game.
And don't forget ARMS this week and Splatoon 2 next month.
If GOW & Spiderman made it this year then it would be a different story.
I think the problem here is that gamers have become accustomed to a certain level of excitement from these conferences, and when those expectations aren't met then they can either, a) acknowledge that there was a lot of good stuff on show but that it wasn't as exciting as previous years, or b) cry incessantly on the Internet about how it was literally the worst thing ever. Answers on a postcard as to which one they tend to pick.
Nothing on show at E3 was particularly bad. Man, if these people remembered the early days of E3 they wouldn't be complaining about any of this stuff. Just we've been spoiled the last few years with some truly blockbuster announcements - FFVII, Shenmue, etc. - and so by comparison this year seems tame.
Re: Nintendo. As others have pointed out, there was more to Nintendo's presentation than the Metroid Prime 4 logo, but I don't think the article was dismissive of Nintendo's presentation in general, just pointing out that many have claimed this.
Personally, I think Nintendo had the best show, balancing between coming right now, coming before christmas and "we only have a logo / an announcement". Super Mario Odyssey looks to be a system seller (did someone say the second coming of Super Mario 64), Xenoblade Chronicles 2 looks fantastic (and still on for Holiday 2017, even though the entire internet "knew" it would be delayed), heck, even the Mario-Rabbids crossover looked good! And even though everyone knew it would come eventually, confirmation that a mainline Pokemon game will come to the Switch is great news. Kirby and Yoshi are always solid games.
Then there was the Metroid Prime 4 announcement (Ubisoft should have gone this route with BG&E2), and the remake of Metroid 2 (which looked great).
Nintendo has held back the last few years, but this year they knocked it out of the park, in my opinion.
@Gamer83 We don't know when metroid 4 will come out. SE is famous for announcing game long before it's done, 11 year later, I'm still waiting for kingdom hearts 3
You can't really call the Internet as a collective hypocrites as there's always going to be people on each side of the fence saying it was either great or crap. Thats life... Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
That whole article seemed like a spew of thoughts all rambled up just to post something.
It's fairly simple how this works, right? You just remember the highlights from past editions - not any edition in particular. Then you compare the new releases to the ones that had the biggest impact on you.
Personally, I would like to have seen more surprises. Little less serious here and there, little more adventure and fun. Also I'm letdown by the number of fake trailers; games definitely not reaching that level of detail and smoothness when they will be released. Metro Exodus, Far Cry 5, Spider-Man and Anthem... much wow... so fake.
But we'll see. At the moment, The Sword of Ditto is the only game I'll definitely pickup. It just screams so much fun.
@wiiware
MP 4 could be three years away, still wouldn't shock me if that's before KH 3 or FF VII and that's the point. Sometimes stuff gets announced early, but if PS fanboys can cheer and shed tears over what so far has proven to be vaporware, Nintendo fans are allowed to be excited to see Metroid back.
Agreed, possibly explained as the difference between "what people actually want" and "what people think they want" .
@chiptoon Except the article doesn't say that at all?
Some of you either haven't read this thing or it's totally gone over your head.
What's more, we're not really here to discuss who won E3. It's like some of you have seen that one line about Nintendo and then scrambled to the comments section.
I appreciate that this article has a load of comments (and I thank everyone for that) but can we please try to stay on topic?
@ShogunRok I've grown accustomed to seeing people spew hilarious hyperbole on a regular basis - hell, I've done it myself
But what actually makes a good press conference? What convinces us that a publisher is at the top of its trade?
You can't look at the Metroid Prime 4 announcement, which consisted of a title screen, and exclaim "Nintendo won E3!"
@ShogunRok So yeah, that last comment was a bit d*ckish, sorry.
But I do think that your Nintendo comment I think it was hyperbole. I don't think anyone has said what you inferred and if they did that's silly. Its easy to go off topic with that sort of statement, and you should probably know that.
but ultimately all this talk of winning does is fuel destructive behavior that honestly isn't very fun. Where I disagree with you is that the publishers can't win. All of these discussions are them winning. Its all marketing. They actively drive it and Sony has, over the last few years, pushed this behavior more than just about any other publisher.
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@chiptoon And that's not the end of the sentence, is it? The whole article is about hypocrites, hence the full sentence:
"You can't look at the Metroid Prime 4 announcement, which consisted of a title screen, and exclaim "Nintendo won E3!" if you then turn around and dismiss the hype of Beyond Good & Evil 2's CG trailer."
You can absolutely turn around and say Nintendo won based on a Metroid title screen. Be my guest. I won't agree with you but I'll acknowledge your opinion.
But you can't say stuff like that and then go and dismiss something like Beyond Good & Evil 2's CG trailer because it doesn't show gameplay. If you do, then you're a hypocrite.
@Gamer83 I think the problem is it's hypocrite that most people say sony e3 conference is bad because the games in the conference is not released this year, yet when nintendo put a single jpeg most people say they won e3.
People also say ubisoft win e3 because of good and evil 2 but that game is just a cg trailer and the game is in days zero (!!) of development.
@doctommaso Much better than the generic smiley face avatar.
@Ralizah I think you got my point.
@doctommaso Not really. Not my problem if you're too insecure to have a female in your avatar.
@Ralizah My point is that while you are calling others juvenile, you ironically are demonstrating with your avatar the very nature you are criticizing. A related point is that IF you are going to be critical of others on this site (especially through juvenile name-calling), you need to be willing to take some criticism yourself.
I have no interest in continuing to argue with you, so this is the last I will say on this matter. I have more important things to do with my life. I'll hope you find the maturity to take my comments to heart, rather than reacting to them in a juvenile manner.
@doctommaso Uh-huh.
I wasn't calling anybody in particular juvenile, I pointed out that talk of "winning E3" in any sort of serious, non-ironic manner is juvenile, which it is. It's a trade show, not a contest.
Secondly, there is nothing juvenile about having a female video game character as one's avatar, anymore than having an avatar of anything else. As I said, if that makes you uncomfortable because you're insecure in your masculinity or something, that's not really my problem.
It's good that you stopped posting, because, frankly, you're embarrassing yourself.
@shogunrok Great article mate!
I do think our own expectations will generally lead to disappointment although the developers/publishers also have their own part to play with this too by what they promise and also fail to deliver at times.
The last E3 was certainly a great one and expecting the "Bigger,Better!" to happen each year is just not possible.
In the end all of the gamers win and I'm certainly looking forward to a few titles coming our way.
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