It's difficult to believe that we're already starting to hear conversation about PlayStation 5, but the first information surrounding the inevitable machine is doing the rounds online. In no way are any of these details confirmed to be true, so please remember to take with a metric ton of salt.
A technology news site by the name of SemiAccurate (not an encouraging start) claims to have first dibs on some of the specs and other details about Sony's next generation console. This is all locked behind a $1,000 subscription, but this is the Internet, so naturally someone has summarised the key points for the masses to see.
Apparently, the PS5's architecture will be based on AMD Navi, but may not use Navi specifically. AMD Navi is a new GPU that focuses on scalability, which suggests it will be easy to upgrade over time. The CPU will be Zen, which is another AMD product.
SemiAccurate also suggests that VR features will be built in "at the silicon level". Building all the extra hardware needed for PSVR into the PS5 and supporting it from the off makes a lot of sense to us.
Finally, a large number of PS5 devkits have supposedly already made their way to developers, and SemiAccurate stipulates that a 2018 release of the new console wouldn't be out of the question for this reason.
It all seems fairly plausible to us -- apart from PS5 releasing this year -- but again, we wouldn't put too much stock into this right now. SemiAccurate also leaked details of the PS4 and the then called Nintendo NX, but this can only be labelled a rumour until we eventually hear from Sony itself.
What do you make of all this? Could the PS5 be just around the corner, or is SemiAccurate pulling our collective leg? Make some predictions in the comments below.
[source resetera.com]
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I mean it’s kinda no duh on the hardware. Of course it’ll be too end architecture that will work better for VR. I definitely don’t think it’s coming this year. 2019? I think that’s the right time. Strike while the iron is hot.
With how strong the ps4 is going and this generation in general and how little can be improved for the ps5 in a meaningfull way I’m sure we’re still atleast 2 years away from an announcement and atleast 2,5 years away from launch.
Unless the ps5 is a (true) hybrid ofcourse but I don’t think sony will take the risk.
I think ps5 will launch at holiday 2019, 6 year from ps4 seems about right. Day 1 if it's backward compatible, I still have a lot of ps4 backlog lol.
@oatmealwarrior92 @darkswabber Xbox will murder playstation if sony even think the word "hybird". Can you imagine destiny 3, battlefield 3, starwars battlefront 3, all 4k & 60 fps on xbox two but 720p and 30 fps on ps5? No chance in hell ps5 is a hybird console.
The reason nintendo can do it is because their games doesn't need a lot of power since the art style is more cartony (mario/zelda/splatoon) than realistic (horizon zd/uncharted/tlou).
I still think it'll come out late next year.
Would love for all the rumours above to be true. Guessed late 2019 release, but would take earlier!
@wiiware that’s why I said I don’t think they will take the risk. Also they could easily make a 1080p or even 2K hybrid since the switch had a lot of cuts to make it affordable.
But it was more of a “unless they do this I don’t think we have any chance of seeing that soon”
They were not the only nes to state that the Dev Kits were already sent out to a 'few' third party studios (unless the others I saw weeks ago were using this source) which would indicate that they are further along than some may expect. You would think that their own studios would be first.
Its not unusual though for Sony (or MS for that matter) to custom build an APU based on features and functionality of different generations of GPU - its not like they take one 'off the shelf' and just put that inside. The Pro has some features only found in Polaris and (the upcoming as it was then) Vega despite it being basically just two PS4 GPU's bolted together. Sony wanted to add FP16 functionality and Object tracking for better Chequerboard rendering so its not unrealistic for Sony to want some aspect of Navi in their PS5 if it benefits their design goals.
Zen is no surprise either as the one area that the current consoles are weak, is the CPU and its an area that could see a 'big' advantage for Sony. With MS offering 4k HDR - even if sometimes its 1800p, the difference that Sony's 4k console would make is not necessarily going to be as significant as the X to the Pro in most games. Having a better CPU though would give them a massive advantage in frame-rate potential. Games, like Far Cry 5, Assassins Creed: Origins or Red Dead Redemption 2 - big open wrld action games that are 30fps on consoles (at least right now), could run at 60fps on the PS5 giving them a 'BIG' advantage - much more than visuals alone.
I for one would be happy if it arrives sooner rather than later - rather than have to rebuy games like the Last of Us 2, Days Gone, Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushima to play at 4k and preferably 60fps too...
2019 is a better guess and makes more sense.
They already leaked details of PS4 and Switch, so who knows. I don't understand about specs, just hope it's a great jump compared to this generation.
If these rumors are true, many games that we know will be cross-generation or exclusive for the next gen, games like Death Stranding, Cyberpunk, etc.
As a recent PS4 owner I know I won't be getting a PS5 for at least a year or two into its lifespan, that way I avoid what is sure to be a launch year full of remasters of games I will likely be able to get on PS4 super cheap. By then it will have built up a decent library and the early bugs that seem to be fairly common with launch systems will have been worked out. I think it is plausible that it could be released in 2019, I don't see it releasing this year and that is okay with me.
the big question for me is backwards compatibility
Late 2019 would be great =) and
Will there be a backward compatibility feature??? Any way, word up son!
VR is amazing everyone should try it.
But for the PS5 I want the option of playing games as we usually do. Making sure you have a day put aside for VR gaming is one of the best gaming experiences ever. However most of the time - we dont have that time or want that experience. Immersion is only one part of gaming, with competitiveness, fun, shared experiences and laugh out loud moments in your living room.
I think it's important to say that although devkits have gone out, it is just SemiAccurate's speculation that it'll be released in 2018. Those dev kits could be for companies like Guerilla Games who are planning on releasing the next Horizon on the PS5 and have only just begun development for a PS5 launch year release
@PS_Nation If you want a great jump compared to this generation, that means comfortably surpassing the mid generation refresh consoles, and that means the Xbox One X.
If it's to do that, it'll need some pretty special cooling tech, and if it releases as a next generation system (Not one that people consider in the same vein as Wii U, where it IS, but not really in spec) it'll need to be far ahead of anything considered part of the 8th generation.
And the sooner that is, the bigger the price tag.
@oatmealwarrior92 it works much thanks to demand for video games among people who can't maintain a healthy committed relationship between their butt and their sofa. "Big games are meant to be experienced in your living room on the big screen" until you realize it now takes you over a year to beat even The Order 1886. That's why it worked even for Sony under certain circumstances and to a certain extent (even if said extent of eighty-something million sales and a massive game library still gets derided as "a failure" for some). And a hybrid like Switch offers the benefit of not choosing deciding between the living room and schedule-friendly gaming at all - you can "switch" on a whim and situation.
That said, a hybrid PS5 would be the biggest prank for last Sunday. By now, Sony was ready to give up on portability in general (because button-stripped Android-run GSM palmtops are totally the tomorrow of handheld gaming instead); there's no way they would be going in this direction with PS5 until Switch made a splash, and I can't imagine them running back to the drawing board at this stage either. On the other hand, they did say they "can't ignore Switch success"... you know what may be comparatively more probable despite its wishful thinking stench? The last hooray iteration for Vita in the vein of DSi or N3DS, themed and marketed as a "legacy edition". Updating and polishing Remote Play, adding those two proverbial triggers, converting more PSP and PS1 titles for sale on PS Store in all regions... maybe even finally going region-free for good measure? "Technically it already is" only counts so much when that requires you to practically wipe your console clean every time.
I never buy Day One launch consoles. I've heard too many RROD/Overheating/shoddy hardware construction stories over the years. When the PS5 comes out, I'll wait for a year or two after launch.
I don’t know about the specs, but dev kits being out seems plausible given recent chatter/rumours.
Personally if the PS5 is BC it would be an insta-buy, whether today, tomorrow, next month... .
If not 2020. My backlog is far too big to be abandoned.
Frankly, I don't care what specs PS5 will have - I don't imagine many meaningful improvements they can add to games and graphics at this point (VR is really the only thing that may need ridiculously high resolutions because what we call VR is essentially a headmounted first person camera with the screen pressed against your eyes). The more crucial questions for me are backwards compatibility and a Remote Play function still compatible with Vita firmware.
Phew. When i saw $1000 subscription, i thought Sony had lost the plot with its next gen ps plus pricing model.
Seems legit'ish, but it definitely wont release this year. Probably next. A lot of these stories will start to emerge in the coming months i would think. Gives added credence to LoU2 and Death Stranding being cross-gen titles. Couple of awesome, system selling launch titles for the PS5 there
@YummyHappyPills You're right cutie pie, the price is an important factor too.
Imagine even thinking for a second that the PS5 could launch this year.
2020 0r 2021 thats when the ps5 is coming word up son
@PS_Nation Mmhmm. Thanks babe. I knew those Economics and Business qualifications would be handy.
If the One X is an 8th generation system at 6 TFLOPS for £450....yeah the PS5 aint passing that for a reasonable price maybe not even NEXT year.
My money is on E3 2018 being the final big push for PS4, with PS5 announced early 2019, and released in November 2019. PS4 will continue to be supported with major titles into 2021. And PS5 will be backwards compatible with PS4 so you can make a smooth transition.
@YummyHappyPills Visually, you aren't going to get a 'generational' leap over the Xbox One X - the problem is that there is no where to go there. Its not like the old days when you went from say 8 bit to 16bit or SD to 720p HD. Resolution wise, you may get more games at native 4k and/or better 'visual' settings - higher quality shadows, bit more of a draw distance but its not going to be a 'massive' leap. Lets be honest, the X is a 'generational' leap over the base XB1/PS4 anyway.
The generational 'leap' over anything that Sony currently offer though is still possible - mostly because of the RAM and native resolutions it should offer. Of course there is also the next gen audio (Dolby Atmos) and 'next gen' 4k HDR Bluray (maybe even Dolby Vision as Sony [will] offer DV in their 'Premium' TV's.
The biggest advantage and 'next gen' feature it could offer is 60fps gaming. I know a lot of games are 60fps but their are a lot that can't run at 60fps but could on PS5 - something the X won't be able to offer.
I really don't see where you can go above 4k HDR and its not as if the current PC's high end are even able to offer 4k HDR 60fps with 'ultra' settings so I can't imagine a PS5 offering 'more'. I am curious to think what you consider a 'generational leap' over the X would be? 8K?
Should be interesting to see which delayed games end up on PS5 instead.
@BAMozzy I'm not asking for it, I'm simply stating by Sony's own design philosophies that they have publicly stated there needs to be a leap over what is considered "Last gen", and that is the Xbox One X.
Do I know what they can do beyond 4k 60fps HDR for every game released? Nope.
That's why I've maintained since the PS4 LAUNCH that this race to the glass ceiling will end with a thud of someones face on the glass.
Sony has their VR angle, Nintendo has their mobile angle. What if those one day run out of room? Who knows.
I wasn't arguing "I want a generational leap", I'm stating that is what people are going to foolishly expect.
I maintain the Xbox One X quite frankly SHOULD have been a 9th generation system - at that spec it may as well be. But Microsoft has buggered that by lumping it in with what we have now, so people are going to be using that as a "Below minimum" as it were.
You'll need to ask what people want.
Here's the thing for me personally, I don't count generations as "Spec boosts", but rather an entirely new ecosystem, name of a system, and largely exclusive software library that cant be played on the prior system. That defines a new generation for me, not "How much tech is in it".
As such, a lot of people already own what is a 9th generation system. Is it that in terms of specification? Nope. Is it that in terms of having games not available on its predecessor, at least some jump in spec to boost over what was available from that company beforehand? Yes.
That's what makes a new generation, before we were told we liked measuring it in visuals.
@Neolit
Couldn't agree with you more, my massive backlog means I'd be stupid to sell/ trade in/ pop in the attic my PS4 (Mrs Futureshark only allows one console under the telly).
I see backwards compatibility as important as it's a transitional thing to then get the new hardware and play and see previous gen games run better, or at least have them while new gen games slowly appear.
I think if MS had done this on day 1 with the Xbone, then it would have been a lot more successful. Bringing it on mid gen as they did smacks of money for old rope instead due to lack of exclusives (not wanting to turn the topic to that old chestnut please).
Anyone could make an educated guess at PS5's hardware and not be far off. Sony is the most affordable VR solution at the moment so its obvious they'll continue to promote that.
The best thing the PS5 could do for me personally it make it fully backwards compatable all the way back to PS1 and that includes digital.
At the start PS4 was just a more powerful PS3, that re-released PS3 games. I still haven't warmed to PS4 despite its success and some stand out games. I suspect more of the same with PS5.
It's interesting speculation, but PS5 is not coming this year. If it's true that devkits are starting to be sent out, though, I guess 2019 is looking like a lock.
@oatmealwarrior92 well for one Sony is at that peak power & has the right to be egotistical similar to Microsoft w the 360.
I think the issue with PS4 being such a success is that it brings backwards compatibility into view. The PS4 had an advantage in that 360 owners saw some missed games remastered on PS4 early on. Now though, lots have a PS4 and I haven't played even half the games I want to play for it. The same is true of VR, that is only 18 months old and to repurchase a new headset or new games would probably sour some people.
If it comes out 2019 I want BC.
@Neolit I agree, it's not happening this year. I could see a PS4 Slim Slim or PS4 Pro Slim this year, though.
Sony are obviously already working on PS5, and probably have been since a few weeks after PS4 launched. I'm not sure it's worth releasing it this year, though... and perhaps not next year either.
The PS4 is still king of the hill and that isn't looking like changing any time soon. It would probably be worth keeping their powder dry and continuing development so that they can release the absolute best system they can when it becomes necessary... which to be honest, it isn't at the moment.
November of this year will mark 5 years since the PS4 launched. ‘Nuff said.
If the PS5 becomes reality, I wouldn't mind having it be able to play PS4 games.
Especially since my physical PS4 library is ridiculously huge.
Most of this stuff most could predict themselves, Sony used AMD for PS4 so hardly a shock here. Dev kits would have to go out very early in advance (need next years CoDs and fifas after all) plus supporting VR is no shock either. One thing I'm almost certain of is it won't be out this year. Sony announce new consoles at a "PlayStation meeting" early in the year before release in winter.
Forgot to ask @Bamozzy abut the specs cos your very knowledgeable about this, is the Zen CPU a big upgrade and closer to the rumored GPU in comparison to PS4's launch specs.
@get2sammyb Any rumours of a Pro Slim? I wouldn't doubt it, but I haven't come across anything. Though Sony could just announce and release it tomorrow, it wouldn't be much of a big deal, just drop the Big Mac sandwich look. I do kind of like the look of the 2 consoles next to each other, and they both seem to be running well, haven't heard of any widespread issues, so maybe they'll just let it ride this year.
If they do a remodel they need to avoid the PS3 Superslim design, that ridged sliding cover is a dust magnet piece of garbage.
Looking forward to the PS5 announced in early 2019 for a holiday launch, with several big titles dual releasing on both PS4 and PS5. PS4 Slim may be discontinued in a year or 2 but Pro will be around for another 5 years as the low budget option, PS5 won't be cheap for awhile.
Still curious about this E3, Sony has to have something new but I can't imagine what. 90 minutes of "Why upgrade to Pro" trailers isn't going to cut it.
I have long beleived that we would see the divide between PC and console diminish which would eventually culminate in a console that could be upgraded. This would extend the life of the console - and if you do it right - you can make it simple even for non-computer-literate people. "Simply plug this $100 part into your system and double your graphical capabilities. Need a better wifi adapter? Spend $50, plug it into this port and away you go. More ram -insert here for $80." etc. This could extend the life of the console into the double digits of years.
@YummyHappyPills I agree that the X is basically a 'next' gen console - well just a CPU upgrade short of being 'next gen'. In some ways it does fit with Microsofts ambition for the 'future' in that they don't want 'generations' anymore but more like a PC eco-system where you buy 'new hardware' periodically to keep playing the games that are releasing but without losing your existing library. In PC's the new 'hardware' may only be a new GPU, CPU additional RAM and/or motherboard but it seems for their 'console', that will be a new complete unit.
As far as Sony go though, A 4k PS5 with 4k HDR Bluray player and Dolby Atmos is a generational leap over the PS4 and the Pro. The PS3 was able to deliver 720p so a 1080p console represented a similar resolution boost that the Pro's 1440p to PS5's 2160p would offer. I know 'some' games can offer full 4k but then some PS3 games could run at 1080p and the audio/bluray wasn't a leap forward either.
I know Graphics is more than just resolution but with greater RAM and more power, the PS5 can offer a significant jump over anything that Sony have to offer at the moment. The PS4 is the 'main' console and as games, mostly the third party games, are beginning to struggle to deliver 1080p with reasonably high visual settings and a locked frame-rate, then its clear that the generation isn't going to last as long as previous generations - not unless people are happy to have falling resolutions or at least with more dynamic scaling and unlocked frame rates and even the Pro has 1080p 'only' enhanced games too.
The Pro is exactly what it was designed to be - a PS4 with a bit more 'oomph' to basically double the resolution - a halfway step to 4k. Its not got the RAM to do 4k either - not with 'new' games and struggles with a 4k buffer.
Like I said though, the PS5 would be a sizeable upgrade over the PS4 Pro let alone the PS4...
I think the chances of a PS4 Pro slim or a slimmer PS4 are remote. The consoles are already small for what they have in them. The amount of space they could save isn't exactly a 'big' saving as we saw with the original PS4 slim.
The X isn't exactly a 'dud' either as far as sales go - its outselling the PS4 Pro in the US..
Wow, a PS5 with better graphics capabilities is due out. Who'da thunk it! As long as it has BC with PS4 then I will undoubtedly get it a couple of years after it's released and come down to a sensible price.
2020 or later. 2019 is way too soon considering how well it's still doing.
Oh my goodness, I was just telling somebody on Reddit the other day that they were crazy for holding out for the PS5 already! And two days later there's news on it lol. I am surprised. It seems far to early with the Pro just dropping into the market and PSVR still trying to get a strong footing. I guess if this is true tho, intergrating VR into the console would get it in a lot more people's hands and give it the foundation it needs to really take off, so who knows?
In my opinion I don't even want the PS5 this year. Or probably even next. I seriously already have half a dozen games going, with two dozen more in my backlog, and big titles like God Of War, Spiderman, and Kingdom Hearts 3 on the horizon I dont see it slowing down soon. I would be okay with a 2020 release, which also gives developers more time to get aquainted with the hardware and work out bugs and put some polish on things instead of rushing it out the door to make launch. I dont mind the news and the hype in the meantime tho!
Zen architecture would be a great thing to see in their next system. Hopefully a minimum of 12GB of RAM, 2TB hard drive, UHD drive, and of course, some level of backwards compatibility with previous systems.
I still just hope it uses the same VR headset. I'm coming off my PSVR high and starting to regret it a bit.
I would like to also see bumper buttons on the back of the new controller. Otherwise, the DS4 is pretty much perfect (obviously it's battery isn't though).
I seriously doubt it'll be released this year. I can see them announcing it next year for a 2020 release.
Some pretty obvious feeling stuff but I think that it will probably launch in 2020, even 2019 feels a bit too early so I expect an e3 2019 announcement, more details at psx 2019 then a 2020 launch.
@wiiware Are you a high bird?! xD
If it's backward compatible, I'm day one. If not this will be a purchase for a couple of years down the line! Might have gotten round to starting persona 5 by then!! Like many, I have a decent backlog and another console (switch) vying for limited time.
2019 I reckon & I am ready for the PS5! but this year is to good for PS4 to worry about shipping it 2018.
@get2sammyb yes. My money would be on November 2019. Go through the year working up the hype through the game shows and E3 then hit the November release date with all the kids screaming for it to go on Santa's list.
You're never too old to have a happy childhood.
late 2019 and I deadset cannot see any way it will not be backwards compatible at launch
@BAMozzy Well said. I recently stated PS5 would offer 4K/60 fps, but my prediction was shot down here.
If PS5 is BC, then there is no problem for release this year. Also Sony should take advantage for releasing Pro year before X.
I also be happy with Ps4v2. So Pro can be considered as new base model and v2 as new Pro model with 16GB ram, supporting greater vr resolution , better frame rate and native 4K, where needed (I still don’t think , we need native 4K over checkerboard or temporal injection - tv has also 1080i and people don’t complain about not being 1080p - checkerboarding is even more sofisticated - but definitely native is needed where simple upscale is applied).
@playstation1995 Pretty much what I'm thinking! Xbox One X doesn't seem to have shifted the market so can't see Sony changing things up any time soon.
Won't be buying PS5 as i have so many games to play on PS4. Actually going back to my PS3 too as there are just so many great games i want to enjoy or revisit e.g. Mass Effect trilogy.
@doctommaso What I meant was that more games would be able to offer 60fps that may only be 30fps on PS4/XB1 (inc Pro/X) which would give Sony a significant advantage - much more than native 4k more consistently. hat doesn't mean 'every' game would be 60fps at all - there is a thing as developer choice and if they wante to make a game at 30fps, then 30 is what we will get. However, instead of being 'forced' to cap the game at 30fps because of the hardware, they would have more choice.
If they do push game development in directions that are very CPU intensive, we could still see the PS5 capping at 30fps too but those games wouldn't run on the current gen well enough at all.
Point i, it wouldn't guarantee that the PS5 would be 60fps as a minimum but would offer more games at 60fps.
@General_Spiller yep.im still playing ps3 games also.and i got ps1 and ps2 games on my ps3.parasite eve.mark of kri.grandia 3.max payne.syphon filter.ps3 games.killzone 3.legend of heroes.etc word up son
@Dpishere Same here!
It seems kinda ridiculous to even announce the PS5 yet. It would slow down the gravy train and kill their momentum. If they announce it next year, to be released 2020 or 2021. That would make more sense... personally speaking ofc.
@BAMozzy Ah okay, thanks for clarifying.
I'm not believing anything until it's officially announced.
Also I still think the PS5 should release in 2020.
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