Okay, let’s do it. The games industry is completely dead in the aftermath of E3 2018, with everyone except us apparently gorging on Turkey Twizzlers at all-inclusive holiday resorts. In fact, it would appear the only people left over are those running the Nintendo and Xbox social media accounts, who are so gleefully fellating each other that even 2006’s long-forgotten Wii60 brigade would blush.
Cross-play – it’s the topic on everyone’s lips. Well, apart from Sony, of course – it didn’t schedule any interviews with the media last week, presumably in an effort to prevent Jim Ryan from connecting his size nines with his pasty face. There’s lots of chatter about it elsewhere, though, and the PlayStation maker’s taking PR haymaker after PR haymaker from its opponents – but how much does it really matter?
There are two stories running in parallel here, and it’s hard not to feel that the Japanese giant’s brought them on itself: cross-play has been bubbling beneath the surface since last year’s Minecraft announcement, but we never really got the impression that anyone truly cared; Fortnite brought the debate back to the fore, but it’s the account locking that really popped the juicy head.
Sony, as we’ve explained previously, does allow cross-play with PC, smartphones, and tablets – in fact, it was the first manufacturer to break down its walls, and has been open to this kind of functionality dating all the way back to the beginning of the PlayStation 3. Cross-console play is the feature that it refuses to support: the concept of playing select multiplayer games across PS4, Xbox One, and Nintendo Switch.
Why? There’s a network effect, and Sony has more players on its devices than anyone else. It’s difficult, of course, to get direct comparisons, but last month the platform holder revealed that the PlayStation Network has over 80 million monthly active users. As of the beginning of this year, Xbox Live – which extends to a casual round of Solitaire, for the record – was at 59 million; PC platform Steam was at 53 million in August of last year.
As has been reiterated a tedious number of times, rightly or wrongly, PlayStation sees its userbase as a competitive advantage; there are undoubtedly people out there who purchase PS4s purely to play FIFA and Call of Duty with their pals. As one analyst recently pointed out, the Japanese giant has nothing to gain financially by opening up its walled garden – in fact, in the case of Minecraft specifically, it would actually be bolstering those aforementioned Xbox Live statistics, as a Microsoft account is required to play together.
So there may not be any legitimate business reason here, but there’s the discussion of consumer goodwill to consider. Sony’s slogan, For the Players, was always going to be lampooned at some stage – and the company’s giving critics the ammunition it’s been waiting five years to fire. Is it truly For the Players to prevent people from playing together? Probably not.
This, then, is a lose-lose situation for the manufacturer; a PR powderkeg that we honestly don’t have an answer to. The company is probably hoping that it can bury its collective heads and pray for this story to disappear like it did over the last year; it’ll all depend on how far the competition wants to push things, and the kind of impact this all ultimately has on its sales.
And that’s the elephant in the room really: does this actually, truly matter to you? The social media smackdowns make for very shareable stories, and the media is surely enjoying turning on the undisputed market leader, but do consumers care? Like, truly care? More specifically: how will all this affect you and your purchasing habits moving forwards?
Because that’s what's most important at the end of the day – both for you as consumers and for Sony as a company. The second this begins to gnaw away at its bottom line, then it’s going to have to reconsider; the reality is that it just posted another record month in the United States over four years into the generation.
But that’s before the Fortnite story blew up last week; it’s before ResetEra lost its collective mind and learned to use the word “anti-consumer”. And so the question is: what does all this mean for you? Is this the beginning of the end for PlayStation – a humongous fall from grace? Or is this fans of other formats desperately searching for something to fight over? Is it, perhaps, a bit of both? We want to know.
How much does cross-play matter to you? Will it affect your relationship with PlayStation moving forwards unless Sony changes its stance? Do you care, or are you completely indifferent? The poll and the comments section are open to you.
Does cross-play matter to you? (320 votes)
- Yes, it’s a big deal for me
- Meh, I’m indifferent really
- Nope, I couldn’t care less
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How will you act if Sony doesn’t change its stance? (317 votes)
- I’ve sold my PS4 and will never buy another PlayStation
- I’ll keep my PS4 for now, but won’t buy the PS5
- I’ll grudgingly continue to support PlayStation products
- It makes no difference to my relationship with Sony at all
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Will you continue to play cross-play games (like Fortnite) on PS4? (318 votes)
- Yes, my friends all play on PS4 so it’s not a big deal
- Hmm, I might consider switching for future games
- I’m definitely moving over to other platforms after this
- I already played cross-play games on other systems
- I don’t even play any cross-play games and don't plan to
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The lack of cross-play doesn't bother me too much, but Sony absolutely needs to sort it out.
It's a bad look for business, a bad look for players, and bad for the future.
@LiamCroft What's the solution? 'Cos as far as I can see, this is the absolute definition of a lose-lose.
@get2sammyb I think they'll just have to take this one on the chin and give in and allow cross-play with everyone. It's a really, really bad look when major news corporations are reporting on your refusal to budge.
I think the issue really isn’t cross play
It’s the account locking that’s getting people riled up...
@LiamCroft And completely squander a significant competitive advantage? Once you open the floodgates on one game, it's only a matter of time before they all follow. And the network of players they've invested heavily into cultivating — which is surely how they must see it internally — is handed to the competition, without any real favourable return.
Surely that's reckless behaviour from a corporate level?
(I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, but I think if we're going to have this discussion we need to see it from all angles. I don't think you can just do it because there's a BBC and Fox News article on it.)
The only games that benefit from cross play are games with dying communities, other than that....i truly don't care about cross play.
Always hated the idea and seeing xbox and Nintendo getting cozy together on social media is vomit inducing. At the end of the day it's the competition that's trying make PlayStation as a brand look bad because it knows it can't catch them in sales so they resort to this and of course the media fall for it. But the mass media don't care about this cos their too busy writing "Fortnite is turning children into addicts" stories.
As for the little ResetEra people who shout "anticonsumer" like their leading some worthwhile cause (spoilers, they aren't) it's funny that they neglect to mention Nintendo's paid for online service that's offering a poor substitute for Virtual Console, or Microsoft making people buy Gold just so you can play F2P games in the first place. They don't of course because it goes against their narrative and makes them come across as hypocrites or absolutely refuse to see things from a business point of view, particularly Sony's view.
@get2sammyb I guess I just don't see what's so bad about that. I don't really see any real negative to allowing cross-play.
We come to PlayStation for its games, not its network infrastructure.
@adf86 I do think tho Sony does deserve to be called out...
I guess I understand why people are annoyed that a game that should allow progression to carry over between consoles has been blocked (a la Fortnite) but the only other reason I could imagine cross-console play being valuable is with MP games that struggle keeping a playerbase. Whatever the case, I'm very much on the 'it doesn't really affect me so I'm not bothered' side of this argument.
@Derpie1 For what though? Not giving up a competitive advantage or the Epic account situation? Cos Epic themselves have been conveniently have remained quiet throughout yet people don't seem to be blaming them either.
@DLB3 If I was in there shoes probably, but the more they do it the more childish they look.
So what would keep Xbox and Nintendo fanboys ruining multiplayer games because they feel the need to harass PS owners if Sony did allow cross play? No thank you I really don't want to deal with that stuff.
I don't care about Fortnite or Minecraft or whatever multiplayer craze is on right now, I don't care about Cross-play not a single bit.
but I am tired of seeing about this news always popping up so I think Sony should just do it and let's be done with it already.
The only game i wish they had cross play is Nioh. This game is only released on pc and ps4 so it would be possible for koei tecmo.
People knew they were buying into a walled garden. Sony are doing nothing wrong here regarding cross play. As for account locking, I'm a Warframe player on ps4 with well over 1300 hours played. I've got pretty much everything the game has to offer, all frames/weapons, my own Dojo with all research completed.
If I were to play on XB or PC I'd have to start over from scratch and I've no issue with that, I won't be doing it but I don't think it's wrong in any way that my account won't carry over.
Seriously, PS4 is in such a good place right now that none of this matters. Its sales won't change for this. Let's be honest, there're a lot of great games to justify a purchase alone and that's without mentioning everyone and their grandmas bought a PS4, so locking games actually gives them an advantage without really bothering gamers.
PS5 is a whole new story though, they will need cross-play to break the edge of the competition. In other words, if everyone supports cross-play then this is no longer a criteria to choose a specific console over another.
Zero, I don't needs cross-play games since my gaming friends and relatives all have ps4.
Sony should unlock people fortnite account though, it isn't right that people who play and spend money on pc suddenly can't use their account on competing console because they link their fortnite account on psn.
I think the best solution is to lock progression on psn but still let people unlink their fortnite account from psn. For example, people that have level 7 character on psn can unlink their psn account to play on xbox/switch, but when they link to psn again, they can't bring their progress to psn, they start at level 7 again. The progress only saved on psn if they play only on psn/pc/smartphone.
But I don't care either way if sony didn't do any of this since I rarely play multiplayer games, people can sold their ps4 and buy xbox/switch if they valued cross-play. To me, cross-play doesn't matter, like, at all.
@LiamCroft Sony is insane if they allow cross-play with competing console, here in asia you can say that xbox doesn't exist, all of my friends and relatives play on ps4, allowing cross-play with competing console is to let people accessing that huge amount of that asia ps4 player.
@Cutmastavictory I believe if some games is dying although they can access 80M ps4 players and 120M steam players, that games is beyond saving. It mean that games already failed, cross-play can't save that games.
@adf86 Did you see the "do cross-play affect your decision to buy ps5 thread"? All of it consist of "I don't care, still will buy ps5" lol. Nearly 90%+ unique users say they didn't care about cross-play, BC for ps5 is more important for people than cross-play.
@NintendoFan4Lyf People buy the system that their friends has, the network effect is real, source: me. I'm the first one that bought ps4 in my circle of friends, the second one need next-gen console (ps4 or xbox) for bluray 3D player, he choose ps4 because I have ps4. My second gaming friend want to buy console for winning eleven/pes, he also buy ps4 because me and my other friend has ps4. My third friend buy ps4 because he can't stand we always talk about diablo 3 on whatsapp and he want to play that game too lol. All of my friend didn't buy ps4 because sony exclusive, they bought it so we can play diablo 3 together.
I could care less. I remember when Shadowrun was one of the early games to have cross-play between the Xbox 360 and a PC. It's one of those things you look at sticker on the box and go "Huh. Neat" and play the game.
Sure it's convenient when a friend has one while you have the other and can still play online with each other, but friends usually convince each other to play on the same system so they can play the same games, borrow physical games to each other etc.
People getting riled up about this is a little overboard in my eyes. I can understand it makes Sony look like some evil "SkyNet" corporation, but people getting up in arms isn't going to change their stance on it. Whatever happens happens, I guess.
Are we seriously worrying about the financial health of a company as huge as Sony? Come on now. They have more money than we could ever dream of having. Enabling cross-play is not going to hurt them, and if it does, it won't be in a significant way.
Just because most of us here are not huge multiplayer gamers doesn't mean a large number of people wouldn't benefit from enabling cross-play. Worry about them, not one of the most massive companies in the world.
Other people disgust me.
Don’t understand why this is a thing? If cross-play was on PS4 would you know that you’re playing with players on a different console? If you sign on to a PS4 right now on any online MP do you not connect and play without a hitch regardless? The way I see it this is just something for chosers of the other consoles to cry over. I specifically remember MS fans jeering Sony fans last gen when MS rejected Sony’s cross-play attempt. I didn’t care then and don’t care now.
I dont need crossplay or want it really. This is a talking point now but will MS and Nintendo continue this stance when the next Gen starts? They only want it now cause it benefits them and makes Sony look bad.
@3Above the enemy of my enemy...
The only reason I bought a PS4 was so I could play multiplayer games with some friends from work. If cross play was a thing I'd be playing on Xbox.
I assume Sony knows stuff like this.
Cross-play doesn't matter to me one way or the other, as the only co-op games I play are Nintendo exclusive. I think it'd be nice for Sony to allow it in multiplatform games, but I also wouldn't be surprised if this drummed up outrage dissipates in the next few weeks. Sony's best strategy is probably just to wait it out.
The Fortnite account locking issue is pure insanity, though, and should be addressed post-haste.
@LiamCroft As long as Sony keeps banging out great games this won’t matter. Sony has been on a roll this generation and the competition really doesn’t have anything to throw at Sony other than this.
@Ralizah That’s the same thing I’ve been saying. This’ll be gone in no time. Right now people are salty over it but it’ll die down. I guess the fact that I’ve only liked 2 online MP games (TLOU and Uncharted) makes me largely disinterested.
I don't care at all about cross-play. I'm 24 right now, I have been playing video games since 10. No problem with cross or no cross for over 10 years. I love PlayStation because of their exclusive games (as well as Nintendo... not with Microsoft, sorry).
As for this situation, maybe Sony could just open the progression and let other gamers to link their account to bring those stuffs to them. No need to cross-play as well. Because after all, imo, Cross-play is not a game changer to bring up like something cool. Especially, Sony was the first to approach Microsoft to ask about Cross-play but Microsoft DID refuse. Sony was also the first to make cross-play happen (PS3 with PC, PS4 with PC + Android + iOS). So I really hate that those anti-Sony or others (not most) keep pretending like Sony did nothing in this industry.
@Deadlyblack Most of ps4 owners didn't care about cross-play, its only the media and other console users that suddenly cares now, where were they last-gen when microsoft plainly say they didn't want cross-play.
@KirbyTheVampire The money they got from not allowing cross-play will be spend on 1st party exclusive games, the more ps4 sold, the more money sony has for it's 1st party games. Unless sony become valve, the maker of hat, not games, I think more money for sony is good for us that love single player story games.
I couldn't care less about crossplay with the Xbox or Switch. It's not like you know which platform the person you're playing with is on anyway. Being crossplay with PC, tablet, and mobile is more than enough players than I would ever need, and I think Sony should stick to their guns and not allow crossplay with their direct competitors in the console space.
People conveniently forget that when the 360 was dominating in the west Microsoft was not interested in crossplay with Sony.
@AhmadSumadi For now anyway. But when the playing field is levelled next generation and everything goes back to Zero will they still be Pro-Crossplay? I have my doutbs.
I'm one of the few who honestly wouldn't mind seeing it, since the rest of my household prefer Xboxes, but I'm not going to cry a river over it. If anything, I find the vitriol from both sides to be hilarious.
I can see why Sony wouldn't do it. Business is business and all that. Honestly though, they've sold so many units and made so much money that if they did allow it for PS4, I doubt it would make any significant dent in profit.
@3Above That’s what I’m trying to tell people! They’re using this to boost themselves. As well they should because it’s good for business. But it’s not consumer-friendly pro-gamer move. Well, it is on the front end, but they’d not do it if it were of no benefit to them.
@deepspace5d they know! But it’s politics. No one wants to see their side as the bad side.
Most of my friends play on PS4, but I do have a few friends who play on Xbox One, so playing Fortnite or other crossplay games would be good fun. I'm not about to try and burn down Sony HQ or anything, but their practice of not allowing crossplay is anti-consumer and I generally disapprove. It might inform my decision on which console to buy next gen though.
@AhmadSumadi I agree. People need to think things through. If cross-play became standard then what next? People will start wanting cross-console party chat and cross-console friends lists. How would that work out? And lets not pretend that Nintendo, by far the most backward in regards to online infrastructure, havent even got accouts systems or proper voice chat in their own ecosystem figured out yet. This could all go very bad very quickly.
I think cross play is cool idea. But if Sony doesn’t want to do it... then they don’t have too. It does suck that content is locked with the whole Fortnite issue though. Anyways, the PS4 has been my main console this gen and that ain’t changing anytime soon. Plus I have an Xbox One and a Switch too. So I guess this cross play problem doesn’t really bug me. There is an article on Nintendo Life where the comment section has gotten a little out of hand over there about this.
I never really could understand the mentality behind why the lack of crossplay bothered people.
I wouldn't want to overhear the chat about which console is better anyway. Cause everyone knows PS4 is the clear winner anyway 😋
On a personal level I could give a flying crap. My buddies don't play games and when I play online I play with my 2 younger brothers who are also PS4 owners.
In terms of a financial standpoint, I think it makes perfect sense that they don't allow crossplay. They are clearly winning this generation of consoles so why threaten to hurt sales or network subscriptions (even if it is a small amount) by allowing crossplay. I doubt anyone could pull up the data but I'm sure there is a massive amount of people who own Xbox and/or switch and still bought a PS4 solely for the amazing list of Sony exclusives.
Seems like a no brainer to me. Win win.
Don't understand the fuss. But what do I know???
@wiiware Yea, I do remember Microsoft being against cross-play with Sony during the PS3/Xbox 360 era.
According to the majority of Sony gamers, this isn't an issue like the gaming media is pretending to be. This poll is another example.
You can check the sales of multiplatform games on Xbox One, btw, CD Projekt shared their sales of The Witcher 3 on every platform recently, Xbox One is way behind. And they had marketing deals for the game. Therefore, they don't have a big fanbase, so nothing of value is lost for Sony.
MS never wanted cross-play when they were leading the marketing with 360, can't forget that they didn't allow Final Fantasy XIV on One because cross-play. Why the media is not reporting that? Fake news much?
Don't see the point in asking these questions when in such a small bubble, but okay. It doesn't bother me, I just play those games on other platforms and jump back onto my PS4 for the single-player exclusives.
As for the PS3/360 era argument, PSN was a complete crap-shoot when it came to internet security. 77million accounts hacked...did you guys forget that? Yeah, you'd be an idiot to allow cross-play with a completely open network.
I don't care about cross play.word up son
I don't care about cross play but I also don't exist 'in a bubble' as people like to say around here. There's some who will insist Sony always does everything right and are shocked when it plays out that the general public feels differently. This generation is already over, PS4 won. However, Sony will have to seriously consider this cross-play thing heading into next-gen. Does it want to keep taking PR hits and is it confident it can overcome that? Those will be the questions to answer.
As for how it effects how I feel about PlayStation? It doesn't change anything. I'll buy a PS5, probably day one, on the belief that it will continue to get great third party support and that the first and second party efforts will continue to be stellar.
None of my friends or myself participate in cross play because game systems and games are cheap. Gaming is a hobby and a privilege, not something you're entitled to. Companies are in it to make money, and can do whatever they please with their products. If Sony wants to deal with some negative publicity from a game not being playable by the entire planet on 17 different devices, that's their call, and I'm sure they're well equipped for the 6 people on the internet crying out "I'm boycotting Sony products forever" that will most likely buy a PS4, if they don't already own one.
If you're dead set on playing a game with friends that's on a non cross play system, either buy the system, have your friends buy the system, or play a different game. There are dozens, if not hundreds of great games on each platform. You will not die if you can't play fortnite on your switch with your PS4 buddies. Your friendship will endure.
The mainstream media seems intent on only ever covering bad aspects of gaming (well, likely all things).
Its a shame that companies involved in gaming are rarely praised for good things they do - its no wonder most non-gamers don't get it. Sorry, slightly off topic!
Its great Pushsquare allows gamers to respectfully talk about these types on issues on both sides of the coin
I completely understand why people want cross play it extends the life of games have another 50 million (rough estimate on the other consoles) there to potentially play with but, for me personally, I couldn't care less. A game being cross play wouldn't make me keep playing it or try it out.
@adf86 The fact that Microsoft and Nintendo had to join forces for this stunt shows how low they have fallen truly disgusting indeed
This is no big deal, i'm mostly a single player gamer. Who on earth buys a gaming machine to play with people online? I shudder at the fact people buy them just for Fifa and CoD never mind all this death match rubbish, sure i love a game of Rocket League from time to time but plenty folk play it on PS4 anyway, even if they are annoying kids or just abhorrent humans in general.
I've been gaming since the 80's so perhaps I'm more used to games being tied to specific platforms and the concept of owning more than one system than younger gamers, so for me this is a non issue. In fact I spend almost my entire time playing single player games anyway and what little time i play multiplayer is mainly local.
Rocket League is one of the few exceptions and I play this on both PS4 and Switch, yet still I don't really care what console my opponents are playing on. I'm also not bothered that my progress isn't shared between the two platforms and that I have lots of decorations on PS4 but almost none on my Switch.
Maybe as someone who grew up gaming before save data and then had it tied to cartridges and then memory cards for so long, not to mention any multiplayer opponents were sat only 3 feet away, I'm probably the wrong person to ask.
Of course to us gamers there are nothing but advantages to cross play existing and being able to move save data and progress but it's also something I would almost never use
Doesn't bother me at all. All my friends are on Psn so couldn't care less.
My experience with cross-play is PC players pissed because my FF XIV tank couldn't cycle through the spams fast enough. PC has 4 bars to populate, and PS4 has 2. I was able to hang for most encounters, but a controller vs. keyboard is a disadvantage.
Couldn't care less. Fine with things as they are and there's no shortage of other players on Sony's network.
Couldn't care less.
#Forthegamers
Joke.
I have been gaming since the 80’s. And it’s the same thing every single time.....
Whomever is in first place in this stupid console war nonsense gets arrogant & starts acting like an *!?
Nintendo has done it several times. Microsoft did it with launch of Xbox One. And Sony did it with the awful PS3 reveal & they are in the midst of doing it again.
Competition is good for everybody. And if Microsoft & Nintendo want to team up, I’m
all for it. Cross-play should just be standard nowadays. The majority of gamers don’t give a rat’s ?!* about sales #’s. In fact, nobody talks about console sales #’s except for Sony fans. Most people just want to play games with their friends, no matter what console they are on.
And for those that say Microsoft didn’t want cross-play last-gen....that was with Don Mattrick in charge. And Mattrick was a bigger tool than Jim Ryan. Phil Spencer is different & he’s doing a great job.
If Sony wants to play the villain, then so be it. The rest of the world can enjoy playing fun games together, while PlayStation fans get left in the dark. And when the tide turns next “generation”, the same Sony fans that don’t want cross-platform play because of some stupid console sales #’s can stick to their countless single player, 3rd person action/shooter games that can’t even outsell State Of Decay 2, despite having “80 million” consoles in the wild.
Most of the PS4 userbase are casual gamers who do care about this kind of stuff. Asking this community wouldn't reveil much because we'd perfer Sony's other offerings.
For this to effect shares and giving Nintendo and MS bashing rights is bad for Sony. This sort of attitude is what made Nintendo what it is today where no 3rd party devs will touch you.
But no one can predict the future, this may just blow over in a couple of days.
@KelticDevil
"If Sony wants to play the villain, then so be it. The rest of the world can enjoy playing fun games together, while PlayStation fans get left in the dark."
I don't see it fair to call Sony a villain in this situation. Regardless of what company (Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo) they are all businesses at the end of the day. And as a business owner myself, you sometimes have to make a tough decision for the company in order to keep providing for the customer. Regardless of what it might be.
And as far as "the rest of the world can enjoy playing fun games together...." comment, I don't think Sony players are missing out on playing fun games. To the best of my knowledge , there is no shortage of players on these games that other consoles are providing cross play with, that PlayStation Network is "missing out on".
It just seems like a simple business decision to me. And I agree with it completely. And not because I dislike anybody who plays Nintendo or Microsoft products. That mentality is ridiculous to me.
@eltomo Why would casuals care who they play with if most of them own a PS4 and probably their friends too and how it's this gonna affect third party on PS4 if third party do cross play it would mean less sales since they won't need to buy it on other systems
Zero. I'm a single-player gamer. Don't care about multiplayer.
There are three groups driving this matter:
1) people "desperately searching for something to fight over"
2) gaming media outlets who depend on clickbaiting for views
3) gamers with rational concerns or arguments
These people should have looked this matter up beforehand, it's the first thing I would have done.
Not the end of the world and doesn't affect my choice of console purchase but it would be nice to keep communities of smaller multiplayer games going.
Couldnt care less tbh. And the smarmyness of microsoft and nintendo is grating. Im sick of hearing about the issue and i have zero interest in fortnite etc. I am also tired of having to read about it every day. Its just boring.
I understand where some of the anger is coming from. Sony havent helped themselves and the locking of fortnite accounts to ps4 is daft - but then i see that as also being Epic's issue to clear up. But of course they wont. All of this is free publicity for their game. They will be loving every second.
I do think Sony need to do something to win back some PR. While i dont think this is a return to the arrogant sony of the PS2, early ps3 era which many SJW's are claiming on the internet, this is the kind of thing which could turn some gamers away from playstation next gen. They would be mad to do so of course. Playstation's first party studios are unrivalled. But in a generation that is likely to be defined by online infrastructure, this could be a defining factor for some in terms of what console to buy.
Lets all remember. If microsoft were doing better this gen, this issue would never have emerged.
Oh and all this Phil Spencer being the saviour of gaming is laughable. Yes he has played a blinder here turning the community against Sony. But come on. Seriously?
@Rob_230 Maybe I'm just imagining this, but I think American gaming media is rather biased towards Xbox. It's PC first, Nintendo second, XBox third, and PS4 last. With American gaming media dominating Western gaming media, it's not odd to see things like this inflating. Like I said, this could just be my imagination.
Here's my thing. Crossplay itself is... whatever. I personally don't care about it, as all of my friends play pretty much exclusively on PS4. Locking our Epic accounts to the system is where it gets kinda shaky. Particularly since Sony never gave any previous warning to its customers. Now, I personally think it's because of all the Plus exclusive content in Fortnite. Perhaps Sony doesn't want you to be able to use console exclusive content on the Switch. I kinda get that, I suppose. But what I really see from all of this, as well as Sony's reaction and statement, alongside the rumors that the PS5 is getting specific, proprietary hardware, is that they're beginning to revert to their old, cocky ways from the end of the PS2 into the PS3 era. And that's not good for anyone. I desperately hope that they change, and are willing to revert their opinion on this whole thing (though I know that'll start a whole new wave of derision from the internet), because I want the PS5 to start off strong. And this, so far... does not bode well.
@KelticDevil Salty 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣
I rarely play online so it’s not a big deal for me but if I do I pick up multiplayer games in Xbox. I play Playstation for the single player games. I think this policy hits parents harder than anyone else. Little Johnny wants to play with his friends on PS4 but they have a Switch so he then starts putting pressure on his parents.
This would definitely be beneficial for niche games where there is a very small player base. But whichever way it goes won't be a deal breaker for me. For me, Sony continues to give us the best games so I'm sticking with PlayStation.
@Bonbonetti Yeah, i think you are right. I dont think its always the case, but some outlets are very quick to bash Sony. If playstation had the games output microsoft have had this gen, they would have been slaughtered. Microsoft seem to get a - doing ok, could do better - stance, when all their nonsense should have been called into question. I do think universally the media called microsoft out when Xbone was announced though, and rightly so.
And you know, when Sony do something wrong, its great that they are held to account- but in this instance, i think the media have gotten it wrong and gone too far.
I like being able to play on my preferred console without having to worry what my friends are playing on. It's convenient when everyone has the same console, but that's not the case for every single group of friends and the concept of cross-play alone just makes life easier. Not only that, but it helps keep PVP games from dying faster when aging cross-platform games aren't locked to their respective consoles.
Does it matter to me personally? In this instance, not much but I did end up buying an XB1, mainly to play with a close friend who had one when we reconnected. I would prefer to use my PS4 so cross play would have been helpful.
I completely see Sony's point and it is not in their interest but when a competitor offers something that you don't, it is an issue for the company. This is a dangerous time for Sony, the next gen is around the corner and as MS showed, being a dominant force in one gen doesn't guarantee you will be in the next. MS are coming out fighting and here is what they can probably announce with their next gen - cross play, backwards compatibility, investment in first party games, accessibility etc. These are all consumer friendly options. Sony on the other hand can offer nothing except for exceptional first party investment.
Personally, I think with so many digital services and this being revenue king, I do think they are actually risking revenue by NOT allowing it. If I want to play cross console with friends, I have to go xbox. That means I'm not buying it or other options on the Playstation store. Now as we move into next gen, I'll have to make a decision, where do I play? I love Sony first party output but that is still a relative niche compared to majority of gamers who want Fifa, Cod, etc.
I don't care about crossplay. I DO care about buying Fortnite on another console, playing it once on a PS4 and then not being able to bring my account back or to another console again! It's mad and just seems spiteful. I don't even play Fortnite.
I can't say it particularly matters to me - certainly at a system level.
I understand Sony's reluctance to play ball - but that's easily solved by taking a bigger cut of in-game item sales or some other such compromise.
I'd say the damage (from a Fortnite) perspective is done. But, I honestly don't care about butt-hurt battle royale players.
The most I've had out of cross-play has been Street Fighter V, as a few of my friends are PC players. That's about it apart from maybe a few randoms on Rocket League.
While I understand the logic behind the "well they have a bigger userbase so they don't need to support this" idea, I'm not even sure that it holds full weight.
PlayStation didn't get as big as it is because of things like this. They might be in the lead now, but things change and acting a little bullish like this only gives ammunition to their competitors.
Smh why is this even a thing now? Cause fortnite? Smh could care even less....
I think the issue is that Fortnite has become such a massive success. If it hadn't we wouldn't even be talking about this. They refused to do it for Rocket League and Minecraft as well if I remember right (?), but no one has mentioned that.
I don't play Fortnite or own another console other than PS4, so I'm not really bothered, but can see why people would be.
It doesn't really affect me since I generally stick to single player games. However, it really should be an option for those that want it. It's just Sony being greedy and anti-consumer.
Personally, it matters not one jot to me. Nearly all of my friends have PlayStations over Xbox's, and I'm the only person I know in real life with a Switch.
But on a wider scale, I think every console being connected is obviously the most consumer friendly future. I understand Sony's reasons for not wanting to do it - they're the same as Microsoft's back when the 360 had sold more than the PS3.
Competitors finally have something to jab at Sony for this gen. Something I couldn’t care less about.
It’s ridiculous to say, but I’d love to be a fly on the wall in an alternate reality where MS are the lead platform this gen.
@get2sammyb Yes from Sony's perspective it's a lose-lose situation but from the players perspective, it's a lose-win situation. my question is which side are you on? Players or Sony?
@get2sammyb Wasn't Final Fantasy XI PS2 cross-play with PC one of the first cross-play titles?
As for the issue of cross-play, the people who write the articles about cross-platform are not representative of the big slice of consumer (IE, don't own 2 or 3 consoles plus gaming PC).
As for Fortnite, Minecraft or Rocket League, this games are not big enough to force Sony to do the cross-platform. The only games I think would do force Sony to change their stance are FIFA or COD.
I think the main frustration is people not being allowed to play their accounts on other platforms, perhaps that should be allowed (by Epic I assume) but any items bought on a platform are platform specific.
Vbucks & battle passes perhaps the exception, so Epic would have to give a larger slice away to cover these losses.
Personally I think Epic need to take more responsibility here, the majority of there players are most likely PS4 players so they at least need to be more communicative, but to me their silence speaks volumes.
Fortunately for Sony they have too many great games for me to think about jumping ship and cross play alone wouldn't make me do that. GamePass, Back Compat and Cross Play as a collective is a interesting package that I wish my preferred gaming platform would deliver. I have no idea what the correct business decision is but I'm not a stock holder so whatever benefits the gamer is best
I don't believe for one second that if Microsoft were in the lead they wouldn't still be doing all this if I'm honest, particularly not with Spencer heading it up. Sony and MS have vastly different business models so their strategies will be different.
I'm not bothered either way. I play offline a lot to escape all these bozos anyway.
Can see it from both sides not really much of a big deal for me personally. The only thing I have worried about the last few years is that Sony have neglected a lot of things because they are so far in the lead. Microsoft have had some good innovations and schemes stuff like backwards compatibility, Game pass and EA Pass and now cross platform play. Where as Sony haven't really done anything like that they have PS Now but not really pushed it all or tweaked it much. The only thing they really have done is increased the price of PS plus although it is arguable the quality of free games increased. I love my PS4 and the games they produce just wish they would do more around the services side.
Sony as a company doesn’t need to do big changes especially been on top by a margin lead. This is all MS trying to do whatever it takes to win fans back by allowing these features on the Xbox. If Sony does do cross play they should do it with Nintendo and pc and not join the competition MS
@KelticDevil Sony the villain for not allowing cross play😂, but Microsoft charging you to play your favorite game which is Free to play it's the best friendly company ever just like Nintendo charging for backup saves nice try troll if you think Microsoft and Nintendo are doing cross play because they are a nice company and only care about gamers you are naive both are doing it for reputation and clean their image by making PlayStation look bad that's all
It pushing me towards only using the PS4 for exclusives all the rest of the titles I will buy on other platforms unless the stance changes by Sony.
@wiiware to address your reply to me.... that's what I'm saying.... there are plenty of games that just aren't big on ps4 because of just simply age, people moved on. Pc players don't move on as frequent as console players, so they do have communities for old games. But often times there is no cross play with the pc community for various reasons.
@hotukdeals care to explain why?
@bindiana bc isn't innovative, especially after 2 years into a new console life. Sony had game pass before game pass, and Sony blocked ea pass to protect ps now and discourage other companies from having that. Look at the bigger picture for those types of services, it cam be really bad. It's just not bad right now.
I don`t play MMO games so it`s not a problem for me. But I think Sony should deal with it. Gamers want to be together and making a roadblock like this... let's say it`s dirty work. games like Fortnite needs cross-play. next-GEN is coming and PS5 should have these options (crossplay, backward, game pass) it would be a huge disappointment if Sony doesn't pay attention to all these skills.
on a scale of 0-10 with 0 being "don't care at all" to 10 being "it's all that matters to me" i am firmly at 0, ZERO
i never have cared for it and never will care for it, it's a gimmick to draw in people to buy your system or a certain game on your system over the others and mainly used because your system is under performing and you need a gimmick to increase your numbers
@GKO900 no to mention last gen when Sony offered it MS turned them down because they were in such a good position they said didn't need it
what i don't understand is MS do it and no one cares, Sony does it and suddenly it's wrong?
if people think that MS are doing it to be "good for gamers" then they need to get their heads out of their asses the ONLY reason MS are doing it is to try and improve their image and build up the users of XBL show the numbers don't look as bad as they really are
What isn't nice is being paired with PC players because many of them (not all) use mods and hacks. There are modders within the online multiplayer communities on consoles to but it's not as big / widespread as it is on PC.
Player base is an asset. Go away cry babies. If you don't know, I don't care for cross play.
@wiiware Okay, and what's wrong with that?
@THEONE19 Well, I barely play multiplayer so it means nothing to me. I'm also of the opinion that you have to look at the bigger picture.
I mean, I'd love to play Splatoon 2 on my PS4 and be given it free of charge — that'd be a pro-consumer move, too. But it's not going to happen for obvious reasons.
I can't help but look at this from the wider perspective. Whether that's right or wrong, it's just how I see it.
@Tasuki "Xbox and Nintendo fanboys ruining multiplayer games because they feel the need to harass PS owners"
Harass PS owners?? lol I doubt there are many Nintendo or Xbox owners who would want to do such a thing.
Rofl!! So can we see steam arrive on PS4/PS5 in the near future? Why I'm sure Microsoft would love that open community. Imagine this if the news broke out on the streets, "Hey dude don't bother buying a £600-£1200 PC, just grab yourself a PS5 and access all your PC games!" can you imagine Intel, Nvdia, logitech, razr (hardware) etc sweating their pants off as players leave the PC bandwagon?
It doesn't bother me. What does though, is Sony keeping accounts hostage.
@LiamCroft It's unrealistic to ask a company to give their audience to its competitor. I think sony should release the locked fortnite account though.
Pro's and con's to this. So Sony has the biggest individual user base if those figures are correct - some of which are PS3 of course as that was free but regardless, just combining MS and PC is bigger and in Sony too and then Sony's start's too look 'small' by comparison.
It's better for those games that may not be well supported - either because they didn't sell well (Titanfall) or because they are old now. If you only have 4m with the game split across platforms, thus splitting up the user base, it can be very difficult to find players in your area - especially if you like to play the less popular modes. That means you end up having to play TDM (or tedium as I call it), with players spread all over the world - so poor ping and as we live in Europe, language barriers - all of which can result in a less than enjoyable experience so the game 'dies' much quicker and you don't get the value from it.
As for buying consoles your friends are on, well maybe that is one factor in the decision - but if your friends started buying XB1X's now because of cross-play, better graphics etc would you all suddenly start rushing our to buy XB1X's just to play with them like sheep or actually make your own decision?
If Sony allowed Cross-play - just like the Xbox, when it comes to PS5, it will still be the games, their performance etc that will be the decisive factor. If anything, it would take away an 'advantage' of the Xbox because Sony offers it too. Fact is though, as we see from the sales figures, having the 'best' hardware, Back Compat, cross-play, 4k HDR Bluray and all the other advantages the X has, its still not selling as much as the PS4 - Sony could easily add Cross-play and won't 'lose' sales to Xbox but will take away one of the advantages it holds...
Gaming for 37 years or so and must admit, i've never had any interest in the whole crossplay thing... Be nice to let others have access but understandable why Sony are not interested.
When the next generation comes, it will revert back to type anyway. Besides the only reason this is news is by virtue of it being Fortnite...
As for the locking thing, thats at Epic's door, but they are too busy rolling in VBucks cash to give a monkeys...
It doesn't matter so much with new, popular titles like Fortnite but crossplay could really help older, more niche titles keep a decent sized online community. Like some fighting games.
@KelticDevil
Generally don't disagree with a lot of your points but the part about only Sony fanboys talking sales numbers is dead wrong. Y'all are celebrating State of Decay 2 on the Xbox side and Nintendo fanboys didn't shut up last year when Switch lit up the sales charts. The reason the 'console war' exists is because everybody in the internet gaming community cares about hardware sales. Some maybe not as much as others but they are a constant topic of discussion.
Don't care. Back on the ps3 vs 360 days. People chose their console based on online vs single player games. And I love Single player games.
On an individual level, I couldn't care less about crossplay. The only reason I want Sony to change its stance on the matter is so I can finally stop hearing about this so called 'controversy'.
@dellyrascal
"As for the locking thing, thats at Epic's door, but they are too busy rolling in VBucks cash to give a monkeys..."
It's on both Sony and Epic. Unfortunately since real journalism doesn't exist in any form these days, it's usually just one thing that gets reported and it's the one that will generate more clicks. If we had real journalists still, and if they truly cared about this issue and getting answers gamers (which I think at one time some writers actually did care) they'd be pressuring both Sony and Epic. Even if its just reporting that both companies are being impossible to get in touch with about the issue that's something gamers should know. It says a lot about the situation. I remember when Nintendo used to get blasted by the media for a lot less than this. Like being secretive about a new game they were working on.
@BAMozzy
It's an interesting question you pose. I'd venture to say when you ask people here if they'd buy Xbox Ones (X, S or whatever) if their friends suddenly started buying one, you'd get a whole bunch of people saying no. But most here won't even look at something branded Xbox let alone play games on it. It'd be great to be able to just ask random people (5,000 or so) and get an accurate picture of the average consumer. I think what your friend games on is still very much a factor. Especially when we head into a new generation.
@Gamer83 I am sure its a factor but not 'the' factor that influences a decision. As you point out, there are those that wouldn't buy Xbox at all so even if a lot of their friends left, they would still buy PS5.
Numerous factors play into the decision - even down to the controller and some that will be more important to some than others. Friends may play a part but so could Exclusives, cost, performance, history (especially with BC), features etc. Cross-play basically eliminates the 'friends' issue so if Sony were to build the better console with better library it could get more sales because it wins in all those categories.
I couldn't care less, as long as there are players out there on our platform who want to play, what's the issue. Nothing to see here!
Cross play is great. It should happen. But not with 3 separate networks. The only real way to make this work is if the three got together to form some sort of xbox, nintendo, sony network together. All three companies manage and agree to terms in how it is run and reap a 1/3 share each of the profit from the service. That way you could play Fortnite or others on the cross play network or the PSN (XBL etc) I see this as an addition to PS Plus and Xbox live - There would be a 1 time fee - perhaps even per game - giving you a ticket to play on the cross-play network. This would make sure competition is still necessary in that you still have to produce a quality system and a quality network for your console - but also it allows for cross play where all companies benefit from it.
That is really the only way I see this happening in the near future. At least while there is a clear winner in the market share
Not. At. All. Next!
Well i hate crossplay more then Battle Royale so much crying about it last generation it was done in one article and now everyone is on the hate train.
@Gamer83 Nintendo gets blasted for less?
@KelticDevil Did not not know state of decay 2 sold 10 million copies like Uncharted.
Occasionally I'd like to play with some of my Xbox friends, but other times I see the lobbies of Xbox people filled with 9 year olds, and I'm grateful that there is less of that shenanigans on my console of choice.
I choose my console based off hardware, price, and exclusives. And ultimately Xbox+Nintendo population probably doesn't add up to psn, so it's not like playing on the cross network would give me more people to play with.
Still, I'd like to play monster Hunter with some dudes at my local game lounge on another console
Cross-play is not critical for me, but I'm more likely to choose a game that has it on a network that allows it. I don't play on PS4 for cross-play though. I play on PS4 because they have killer exclusives I can't get anywhere else.
This is a lose-lose situation for Sony, but if they were thinking long term, they could spin it as a winning situation for PS5, which will automatically start with a much smaller install base. Launch the new system with some cross-play games and watch Nintendo and Microsoft's stance change when their install bases, which will be larger than a brand new system's, are suddenly hijacked by Sony's new piece of kit. Of course, any attempt to backpedal at that point would be an even bigger PR nightmare.
The thing about this kind of pressure is that it can get out of control and prove more harmful than the protected advantage is helpful. It's the exact same sort of thing that originally derailed the XB1 (albeit, much less egregious than those policies), and that weakness is what Sony capitalized on to create the success of the PS4 in the first place. Even though this is a small thing for most people, the noise it's making runs counter to Sony's brand message this generation: For the players. This policy undermines that strong brand message, which is why it would be foolish for their competitors not to try to capitalize on that.
Not bothered in the slightest. We've never had it before, it was never an issue when Microsoft didn't want to do it, and as far as I'm concerned it isn't now.
I'm really baffled at not allowing crossplay, perhaps I don't get where the monetization angle for this comes from, since let's all admit, it's $$$ anyone cares about. Let's look at something like Overwatch. My friend and I have ps4/xbone respectively, what aspect of he and I playing together costs either company money, or one company more money than the other?
However, let's look at the bigger issue. I'm 100x more annoyed that my airpods wont work with my PS4!
I'm a PS fan. Let's say at the moment PS is allowing cross play and Xbox is not. I don't give that a darn too.
No,Nope, and Dont care for it. whats next COD and Battlefield? followed by the cries of unfair advantage and cheaters! Unless you have trouble finding players to play with its not needed at all. On top of they who buys a console expecting to play people on a different system anyway. Most Console users don't even know about the cross play issue Microsoft and Nintendo are just using for a PR stunt.
Ah, fanboys (Sony in this case) being their arrogant selves. The distain and anger is really uncomfortable to me...
Times change. Gamers are demanding cross-play, so it's only a matter of time before it happens.
Then it'll be normal and no one will think it's weird, like the original horse armour fiasco. But when a company is on top, they have no incentive to do good-will gestures.
@EVIL-C you don’t think “fanboyism” also has to do with the fact that other consoles’ fans are doing this because they wanna make Sony the bad guy? Sony allows cross-play with PC and mobile. The other consoles allow cross-play across all platforms but Sony won’t participate. When MS made the same decision back then I supported them. Keep your players on your console and playing with your community.
I never play online, I only play games that are single player or at least have single player modes, I never play multiplayer modes, so I really don't care at all about this thing. I just want to avoid multiplayer (expecially online multiplayer) no matter what, I really hate it.
Seeing the results I'm really starting to think that the online only community is more on pc than anything else.
My son does not even touch ps4.
And frankly for online addicts I think pc is the place to be. I'm more than happy with my ps4 as it is.
A lot of people here have the "it doesn't affect me so I don't see why anyone else cares" mentality here. Normally I'll support Sony's business decisions, but they're dropping the ball hard here. Let's not forget that cross-play actually mattered quite a bit at the beginning of this gen, when you couldn't play Destiny between PS3 and PS4.
We as fans flip-flop too much on what we expect and want from the company. I cannot tell you how many times I saw comments of "who wants to play old games?" and "why care about last gen's games on current gen consoles?" when Xbox announced backwards compatibility, but then go crazy when their favorite games get remastered or even just ported over to PS4. "I loved this game growing up, can't wait to play it again!" When things like Dark Chronicle or even Journey came to PS4. Tunes change when it's relevant to your own interests, eh?
This is important because it sets a strong tone going into next gen, and being the only platform not supporting cross-platform play will be an active detriment. Consider that many people do the "+Nintendo" strategy (especially with how well the Switch is currently doing) where you tend to have a Sony/MS console and a Nintendo one. "Service" games like Fortnite, team-play multiplayer games, and even From Softwares Souls-formula games will be best played on Nintendo's console because most of your friends will have it come next gen. Nintendo is the big winner out of cross-platform gaming fiasco, and PS5 might be the big loser with all the negative press involved: just look at PS3's launch. And Xbox One still hasn't recovered from its woes from the beginning of the gen.
@Tasuki I rarely agree with you, but this comment is plain ridiculous.
Grasping at straws much?
What makes you think Ninty’s and MS’s fans would gang up when you barely know where people comes from in a lot of multiplayer games?
As if harassment weren’t already a problem within the individual communities.
And people even liked it multiple times 😯
@get2sammyb
Slow news days Sammy... nobody really cares about cross play
Just forget about it. They hysteria will blow over. It wasn't an issue when Sony wanted MS to follow suit on 360...
@Cloud7794 Nintendo is disrespecting their users and their own consoles with their decisions about the online service (Retrogames and saves backups will be available only for those who pay the subscription. This is INSULTING!!!). I have both Switch and PS4, I was a hardcore Nintendo fan until I fully realized what they are trying to do with this online subscription and I can say that Nintendo right now is a lot worse than Sony. I'd really wish it was the opposite but Nintendo is really behaving like a****les right now.
All my Fam/Friends have PS4/PCs and as long as I can find a match in a well populated map (when they not on) could care less. And I own a Switch
If it ever happens that is OK also... I'm just not sure why anyone would care about it right now one way or the other.
@KelticDevil Welcome back mate. I was wondering if I would see you again since Pure Xbox closed.
@Cloud7794
"We as fans flip-flop too much on what we expect and want from the company. I cannot tell you how many times I saw comments of "who wants to play old games?" and "why care about last gen's games on current gen consoles?" when Xbox announced backwards compatibility, but then go crazy when their favorite games get remastered or even just ported over to PS4"
The thing is, were they the same people? We (ps fans) don't all think the same way. Or about all games.
I, for example, find playing old games pretty ridiculous (new games have better graphics, better stories, better gameplay, better voice acting, etc). So if Sony were to add ps1+ps2 emulation to ps4/5, I wouldn't care at all. If a single game that has a special place in my heart was to be remastered or ported, I'd be all over it. For example I played Tombi (originally a ps1 game) on psvita with a smile on my face. But ask me about emulation and remasters and I'll tell you I couldn't care less.
Is that flip-flopping? No. Only if you make generalizations without looking closely at all the facts.
@lixei32 these results have almost nothing to do with the average player who's into Fortnite, H1z1 etc. The numbers speak for themselves.
I've really had to look at this whole situation rather objectively as I have no real desire to play Fortnite or cross-play games but I can respect that some people do. I'm a long-time Sony and Nintendo fan, I honestly do want to see progress made for Sony to remain on-top alongside Nintendo, but right now all the bad press gives me anxious feels for SCE's future. Seeing Nintendo & MS buddy up doesn't please me, as many PS fans feel left out, but in their positions, they'll happily take it on Sony's expense.
Couch Co-Op all the way, for any multiplayer games here. So...
I hardly play online so I couldn't care less But I am sure Microsoft didn't get this much Negative press last Gen when they didn't want to do it. Hmm
@LuckyLand I'm not saying Nintendo is doing anything perfect, but with the Switch being so strong in the market at the moment it only stands to gain from Sony's negative press.
@naruball true, I don't have every instance with every user for what I said. I do, however, lurk on here very often and really stay for the comments, so I'm constantly reading people's viewpoints on here. With that in mind, the general landscape is basically what I said, though I've of course not kept track of whether each commentor is the same.
@Kidfried yup, that comment section was pretty bad.
The account locking gives a bad look to Sony, and it allows the other console manufacturers to capitalize on that news, but this cannot be a purely Sony decision because the accounts are Epic’s, so somewhere in this mix, Epic agreed to Sony’s locking of accounts.
I think the way forward is to make a PR push to raise awareness of this policy, to unlock accounts that have been affected to date, and to maintain a separation between the PlayStation ecosystem and the ecosystems of other consoles.
Honestly, its not an important feature to have (its cool to have it but it isnt necessary). Most of my friends are on the PS4 and a tiny of portion of my friends plays on PC so PS4-PC XP is sufficient IMO. Plus, I dont do XP that often anyway. I just fire up my PC and BOOM! MP with friends.
Not bothered about cross play to be honest, Nintendo and MS are using this as a PR stunt and for anyone talking about anti-consumer, remember 2013 DRM always online with the Xbox One, no plug or charging wire with the New 3DS. If MS were beating Sony we wouldn't see any backwards compatibility let alone cross play.
@get2sammyb
I don't think it is 'lose lose.'
Most gamers I know choose their consoles based on the devices their IRL friends have.
Then there are those people who choose consoles based on power of specs and other functionality like entertainment apps, VR etc.
Isn't the real threat of cross play that it will lead to a monolithic game industry - and not in the nice 'OASIS' kind of way?
It's not a problem for me because as soon as anyone I know expresses an interest in Microsoft, I cut them out of my life. My son asked for an Xbox One last Christmas; he now lives in an orphanage on the Isle of Wight
@Gremio108
Brilliiant
That image is wrong. It's PS4 warm and cozy inside, and Xbone and NS out cold in the rain, begging for scraps.
Im a newcomer to PS4 but I definitely stick to switch for rocket league and now will do so for fortnite. I like being able to play with xbox and pc people without having to worry. I have a few friends that are PS4 exclusive and its a shame i cant play with them more easily.
Forcing players to do something they dont want to necessarily do (buy a PS4 or PS4 games because they cant play with friends if they buy another system) is silly and not smart business. Its similar to play to win- forcing players to spend more money if they want to win ultimately pisses off consumers. Not smart business
I don't get the argument here. So if paying Fortnite the thought is "I leveled up/bought stuff on some other sevice, it should carry over to my PS4!" Am I understanding that right? How is that different than "I bought Insert Full AAA Game Here on PS4 I should be able to play on my other consoles!" Doesn't make sense that it would work that way.
Really couldn’t be arsed. Don’t play anything like Fortnite -christ I don’t even get what all the fuss is about with that game- and as I only play PS4 then it makes no odds to me.
@adf86 The anti-consumer part is the locking of a person's Epic account. Also Sony requires PS Plus for multiplayer as well. Don't get me wrong Nintendo and Microsoft both have or had anti-consumer practices. The former still not allowing me to move my Switch saves to an SD card; and the latter used to require a Golf account just to watch Netflix.
@GoatWrench13
You’re spot on, and I’d further point out that the lock-in of an Epic-affiliated account seems like something both Sony and Epic would agree to. Sony is the platform holder, so they are getting the negative press, but it doesn’t seem likely that Epic was caught unaware by this, and if that is true, this is an issue for both Sony and Epic, and a solution could be brought forward by either party.
Actual "Cross-Play" doesn't matter to me but I think with games as a service if you're paying additional money for cosmetics then you should be able to access them on any platform you own the game.
For things like map packs I think if you want to play them on multiple systems then you should have to purchase them on each system or just pick the system best suited however when I buy an outfit for something in Fortnite or Destiny or even possibly Anthem then let me use it in other systems.
I would also like to see something comparable to what GTA V done when moving from older generations to newer ones you got a chance to bring your character over. I wouldn't mind seeing this expanded on for instance I have a PS4 and bought my daughter Lego Marvel Superheroes 2 but then I got her a Switch and she wanted it on there so it would have been nice if we could have a Travellers Tales account that we could bring over the game progress and unlocked characters to the other system. And if you're thinking what would be the point in buying it then well my daughter is 4 she just loves jumping into any level as Spider-Gwen and swinging around but because we don't have this feature we both just have to sit down and go through each level again instead of using our time to try and unlock all characters to see if she can find one she loves as much as Spider-Gwen.
sick of hearing about it & have 0 desire to play with people on Xbox Nintendo I bought my PlayStation for just that to play PlayStation. MS Nintendo is milking for all it is worth along with fanboys gives them something to say.
I personally don't care, but I think it's stupid and can see why people do care.
It's business get over it. PS has the biggest install base, Sony obviously doesn't want to risk losing any of them, or future PS owners, and I don't blame them for that. If Xbox owners want to play with mates on PS4, they should've bought a PS4. I have a mate who bet on the wrong horse and now he's jumped to PlayStation to play with us (and because of the great games and content). I'm pretty sure he's not the only one in the world to do this. Sony would be nuts to open up their eco system and lose elopers.
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