Sony Seemingly Censors Controversial Senran Kagura Mode

I was wondering why this game got pushed back. As it was set to come out on the 9th of this month. I know in the past there was some trophies involved for the intimacy which I’m sure that will change as well. Kinda funny that the Reflection game got released over here, but that’s on a different console. I’m the same with this article, it’s vile and dumb yet I hate it when a game gets censored from it Japanese version.

So I'm assuming Sony is going to play hard ball with CD Projekt Red when it comes to Cyberpunk 2077, right? Or how about when Rockstar brings GTA VI?

Look, I don't care for the SK series, at all, but censorship of any kind is bs. This is stuff Nintendo used to get raked over the coals for, I'm not giving Sony a pass just because I game mostly on PlayStation. And when it starts with one Japanese franchise, it's only a matter of time before the ones I like, such as Yakuza, start getting effected by the overly sensitive crowd calling the shots in the Western territories these days.

@Gamer83 Mate, it's fondling kids! Now unless Jimmy Savile works for Sony, of course it's going to be censored.

sigh

Guess I'll be switching over to PC and Switch for all non-exclusives, then. I don't need Sony playing nanny for me, especially when it includes hideous levels of brutal violence in its own games, which is somehow OK.

@get2sammyb
Thanks for that bit of context. Eventhough I'm a big fan of some weird Japanese games like Yakuza, God Eater, NieR and Tales of, I've never had an interest in SK. The sexualization of children is gross, and frankly I don't understand Japan's obsession with underage looking girls but there's also a lot of other stuff I don't understand about their culture.

That said, as vile as this sounds, Rockstar has trumped it years ago. And I doubt they'll be toning things down too much with the next GTA, nor do I think people (aside from the usual suspects who don't buy or play games anyway) will be asking them too. Sony certainly is not going to go war with them over it because it would be brand suicide.

Same, I'm not sure what to think.
As often common sense is to avoid overeaction. Sensorship is wrong but there's no reason to make a fuss about this one. If people really want that option, they can choose the Steam version I guess?

@ApostateMage @LaNooch1978
And I agree, it's f**king stupid and has no place in games and part of the reason I've never cared for the series is because the characters all look way too young. But allowing you to pick up prostitutes then kill them and get bonuses for that isn't just as disgusting? I imagine most of us believe you don't hit a woman for any reason.

If people think this is only going to extend to fanservice games, then they're fooling themselves. Moral puritans smell blood in the water now, and they'll start pressuring Sony to have all sorts of stuff censored.

@Ralizah
Exactly. I wish the SK series didn't exist at all, but at the same time I don't think it's anybody's place to tell devs what they can and can't make. What can be done is voting with the wallet. I've never liked what I saw when these games were promoted, so I simply don't buy. Sony isn't protecting anybody by censoring an extremely niche game though. Want to make a real stand? Tell Rockstar, CD Projekt Red, Ubisoft and others 'we don't want your games because of this, this and that.' See how well that ends for the PlayStation brand.

@JJ2 If this game involved live participants it would considered child pornography. It takes a sick human being to create an intimacy mode with characters who look under 13 in any form of media or entertainment.

As expected the SJWs on dualshockers are up on arms. Look i understand the arguments about censorship, but having watched the video, i have no idea why anyone would want to play that mode. Its crude, insulting to women and completely demeaning - not to mention creepy. People saying they are going to boycot sony need a reality check. This may be part of the culture in japan. Heck, when i was walking around akihabara there was a bilboard featuring an anime girl with a 3d chest, and that wasnt the least of it, but it isnt acceptable in the west. I am no prude. But no, there is no way Sony would be able to contemplate releasing this in its original form at this time. Whether people agree or not this is very different to gta, witcher etc

@cashflowx
Thats why I think it's not worth the fuss gamers against sensorship might go for.

@Gamer83

Don t think any of those games will have anything that's borderline paedophilia

I just can't understand how some people can't see how it's wrong and the old line of its only a game doesn't cut it, it's sexualizes children .

@Gamer83
'Sony isn't protecting anybody by censoring an extremely niche game though'
Well they might be protecting themselves in any case. That's what I'm guessing.

@suikoden
True, but it could be argued it promotes going out, getting yourself a lady of the night, then killing her and taking back your money.

@Gamer83

The is a big difference between a game like GTA and killing hookers than what this game is doing.

@Ralizah "Moral puritans smell blood in the water now, and they'll start pressuring Sony to have all sorts of stuff censored."

I am not a Puritan. This is not censorship because it basically boils down to child pornography.

In the past few years, I have played games where Geralt was played by two beautiful women, Hitler assassinating Ronald Reagan on Venus in alternative reality, witnessed the trials and tribulations in a zombie apocalypse of Clementine, relived the arcade days by playing a game with the most murders per seconds in video game history (Smash TV), perform fatalities for the sake of performing fatalities while grossing my friends out, going around Skyrim and murdering every inhabitant possible, etc. I have watched extremely violent films and even get mad when violent scenes are cut out. I've listened to horrorcore rap and Norwegian black metal.

I am not attacking anyone, but THIS IS NOT CENSORSHIP! This game involves pedophilia and child pornography. You have characters who look like they are 12 or 13 who are provocatively dressed. Point blank this is child pornography... and this is coming from someone who has played tons of games with adult themes over the past 40 years...

And then there's Reflexions which seems to be one big "Intimacy Mode". Out in the west recently, too.

One of those "tell that to people in the 90s" trends. XD

@JJ2
No doubt that's what they're doing and I bet if I talked to the people who made the decision, I'd agree with their reasoning. The thing is it opens up the floodgates in regards to these Japanese fan service games. What's next? Should Capcom delay Devil May Cry 5 because Trish shows some cleavage? There's at least 100 idiots on Twitter, half who don't even really have an interest in the game, that will have a problem with this. Should they pandered to? It's a slippery slope is all I'm saying, and I'm not sure Sony will handle it the right way. If this was strictly 'we don't want to promote child porn' I'd give Sony the benefit of the doubt but we'll never get any insight into why the decision was made and I'm not somebody who just blindly trusts big corporations.

@suikoden
Does killing hookers not gleefully promote violence against women?

@Eternallover21
Well, again, all I'm saying is if you choose to take the moral high ground. You now have to be consistent. Rockstar knows its audience and what millions of people (men AND women) want out of something like GTA. But Sony has decided to take the Social Justice stance. Now I'm interested to see how serious they actually are.

@Kidfried
Nobody has said fondling children is fine.

It's not a game mode that I'd really play, but if I ever get this game then I'll get the non-censored PC version. This kind of censorship is annoying, people can make up their own minds on what they want to play.

@Gamer83

It coming close for those who think this game is ok, just can't understand how you can't see just how wrong it is and how it's a huge difference between the usual violence in games

@LaNooch1978
Because the only people who really know about this franchise are an extremely niche crowd, and the ones against it are the 'SJW' crowd and considering Sony has never had a problem with this mode before, well I'm going to have to assume a lot of the decision is based off what's going on in this country right now. Which is fine. But, again, you now have to continue down this path. When the crowd who hates sexual content of any kind comes knocking, Sony has to answer and that's not going to be a good thing in all cases.

@suikoden
I absolutely see the difference. But what's offensive to people varies. I find this more offensive than stuff I've seen in games like GTA, Last of Us, the rebooted Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, etc but I can guarantee there's people out there who have no problem with this but pick up the pitchforks every time Rockstar makes a game announcement. What does Sony tell the people who will be 100% against GTA VI or Cyberpunk 2077? You know those people are out there.

Really at the end of the day it shows the differences culturally between the West and Japan and its no surprise that it comes of as creepy at times

Like a lot of weird Japanese games but can't understand how anyone could enjoy something like this.

@LaNooch1978
Maybe not here, but this a pretty small website. There's no doubt there are people on twitter who see this as a bigger victory than one against child porn and they will be asking for censorship on a larger scale. I know it seems like I may not actually be agreeing with you on the big issue here, but I do, I just worry now about the future of some of my favorite franchises. I'm not afraid to admit, I like some 'sexy' (on adult female characters of course) in my games and Japanese ones are the best at providing that these days. Unfortunately most in the U.S. hate Japanese games and will be screaming for damn near all of them to tone down content. Sony can very easily do it because stuff like Soul Calibur or Yakuza or NieR isn't going to move consoles the way GTA will. They're obviously not going to play hardball with R* and I do know that.

@cashflowx

1) Character ages are changed or removed in the Western releases anyway.

2) These are 3D computer models, not children.

The only argument you can make is that they're vaguely young looking girls in a high school setting. Is sexualizing real teenage girls problematic? Of course. So is murdering prostitutes and torturing people, but we allow that in our entertainment because it's not real, and thus free of the moral issues related to real violence. Same logic should apply here.

All you're left with is:
A) Groping girls in a game might inspire similar acts in real life (which hasn't been established at all)
B) The "ick" factor (which... I mean, fair enough, but that's not a good reason to censor something. It's not like the product is being forced on you, and you could use that same sort of approach to attack anything.)

When you probe this a bit, you come down to the same impulse that drives all censorship: the desire to control what other people enjoy and/or have access to. And, by their very nature, censors are never satisfied, because the world always exists in a state that is discordant with their own moral ideal. More niche and extreme content is just the proverbial 'canary in the coal mine.'

@Kidfried
If everybody behaved normally and used commonsense, I'd agree. But the tumblr, twitter, Resetera crowds will see this as a bigger win than just one against the sexualization of minors. They now know they have Sony on their side and will use it to get certain games bent to fit the image they want, and if devs don't comply, some games will be banned. I don't think it's a good thing to give 'gamers' (in quotes because I don't consider the people I'm talking about to be real gamers, just perpetually offended complainers) that kind of power.

A difference, which we often forgot when talking about sexuality Vs. Violence, is that pornography can form crippling addictions. It can seriously mess with your brain.
And yeah, this is vile. I’m honestly too disgusted by it to care that it’s getting removed. I’m not a huge mandatory censorship person, but I’m just gonna leave them to their own devices. I think what’s important is consistency in these though. If Sony has consistent policies across the board, I can be okay with that. It is different than government censorship. Of course, keep it far away from Nintendo taking out the breast size slider in Xenoblade 2. That’s just, I don’t even know what to say about that. That’s not been bad in any form, that’s how people look different in real life.
@gamer83 To be fair, they would play hardball like every other console manufacturer would if any of the western devs made a game AO for whatever reason with their content. Anything below though, and you’re still correct.

@Gamer83
I understand your point of view and the many comments I saw. However I think an overreaction to this might actually backlash in the opposite way you would hope for.
Its the never ending manipulation from opposite views, on a principle stand. The evil of ideology. Make a stand when it's worth it... Not at all cost. This one isn't worth it. Simple as that.

@get2sammyb
1. It's funny that Nintendo were fine with this on 3DS.
2.Unless they've changed the mode significantly, there's no actual fondling involved, IIRC.

@RainbowGazelle There's been fondling in the series for a long time.

@RainbowGazelle https://www.dualshockers.com/senran-kagura-burst-renewal-ps4-censored/ there is a video on here. Fondling from as early as 3.20 minute mark. Its horrendous

Like others have said, i dont believe this is censorship. More its fundamentally not appropriate to release in the west in this format. Sony would be crucified in the press

I don't think questioning the existence of a mode where it's indicated that the sole purpose is to sexually assault minors or adults pretending to be children while they ask you to stop is quite "censorship". There is no message, no art, no contemplation, just "child abuse mode". I am fine, mature and intelligent enough to deal with taboo subjects for the sake of art that poses questions, or has some framing around it, but morally repugnant stuff for titillation is wrong.

Either way Sony should have blocked it totally worldwide or allowed it totally worldwide though, because they either find it the type of material they want running on their hardware, or the type they don't.

Ultimately, and finally, would it even pass classification in the UK for example, uncut?

Edit, having seen the fake "Mickey Mouse" style gloved hands you use in the linked video, that's just bizarre.

Change the ages and its fixed or make the girls look a little older no idea if thats hard? Lets be fair its not good to use young "girls" and its kinda dangerous for a platform to touch it with a 10 foot pole. Never understood why they dont use character models with a little older looking girls.

But then again i heard they removed the breastslider on Xenogears on the Switch yeah i know big boobs are bad...😑

To make my point give the angry crowd a inch and they will take a arm and a leg i know i probably said it wrong. 😜

Yeah and im not going to act like i dont like sexy Women in my games.
But i think its easy to fix make them look older and no one cares.

So we can do the normal thing beating people to death. Trevor showed us whats normal in the West. 👍

@Rob_230 Sony hasn't censored this content in previous games in the series, and there has been next to no backlash over it. So, no, they would not be "crucified" by the press.

The only thing this is going to do, besides driving customers off PS4, is draw more attention to a niche series.

@Flaming_Kaiser They already remove the ages in the Western versions.

@RPE83 To be fair you cant force the world to be like us even if its not normal. You think that would go over well in Japan that the West is telling them what to do? Then again its not like the West doesnt do that stuff.

Then there would be a lot more stuff that would/should be banned.

I know brutal murder is normal in the West we should embrace that. 😉

@Ralizah as the dualshockers article says, Sony have changed their view on this type of content. And that is undoubtedly because of the heightened scrutiny over this kind of stuff in light of everything thats happened over the past couple of years in the real world. So maybe they havent been called out on it in the past, but they certainly will in future. I have more respect for them doing it. They arnt cutting content from games like heavy rain, yakuza etc because the content has been created in the right context and can be defended. The senran kagura stuff is juvenile.

As a father to a 1 year old daughter, i am 100% behind sony removing content like this. I dont want her seeing this stuff in games and feeling its acceptable, and nor do i want her growing up in a world where others do. This isnt me being a sjw. Im not at all. But this kind of content is just unecessary and sad.

If it drives people away from playstation, so be it. The number of people who will boycott sony will be so negligible to be laughable.

good. these perverted games which appeal to pedos shouldn't exist in the first place.

@Flaming_Kaiser
My point was more it's utter dross in my pure opinion but ultimately Sony should release here and Japan, stand by the "art", and see what the regional classification laws decide or decide themselves as a company they don't think it morally represents them as a brand and remove it totally. Fight for the art or admit it's crap.

I like anime and Japanese cultural stuff and don't mind a lot of the titillation and risqué stuff, but just because other cultures have long standing morally dubious practices and view points, doesn't make them morally or ethically sound. I type this as I have Lost Paradise on pause with no hint of irony

@Gamer83 The fact you used the phrase 'Social Justice' as a negative shows your immaturity. Martin Luther King fought for social justice. Was he wrong? Also you refer to real 'gamers' that aren't perpetually offended but you're the one that's offended and written god knows how many messages about how offended you are??

i l❤ve big chest and i cant not lie💚❤💞💖💖💕💓.word up son

@get2sammyb @cashflowx @suikoden @Eternallover21 @Kidfried Okay, so what exactly makes the Senran Kagura girls look like children exactly? Because I don't see it. They're incredibly well developed from a puberty stance, so that can't be it. Is it because they look a little shorter than normal anime girls? That doesn't scream "child" to me, as since I'm really tall in real life, the height actually make them look more proportioned (minus the bust size of course) to real life women to me. So what is it? I'm genuinely curious, because I don't see it.

@Rob_230 What exactly makes it "unacceptable" at this time as compared to killing innocent civilians in a myriad of ways across multiple games, which somehow IS acceptable?

My view of probation has always been That something should only be banned if it has an external cost (is harming non-users). If you ban something you both take away benefit to the uses (minimal in this case) and have a risk of people seeking to fill their desires through more harmful roots (in that case will be importing directly from Japan). The costs (loss of the game mode from the PS4 western version)and benefits (stopping some people from feeling uncomfortable) of both positions are so marginal it doesn’t really matter either way.

@JJ2 (#22) This very same mode has been in previous Senran games that came out in the west, on Sony platforms and even Nintendo platforms, and there was never an issue then. I don't see why Sony would suddenly need to protect themselves now.

@Flaming_Kaiser In western releases, the ages have been removed completely. And personally, I don't see what makes the girls in this franchise look "underaged" as compared to the rest of anime.

@DLB3 This game mode is also a thing that you can play through the entirety of the game without doing. So think the comparison is a sound one. But to put it into a more general context, are you telling me that fondling someone is morally worse than killing dozens (or more) of innocent bystanders?

Can't believe there are people in this comment section arguing in the defense of child pedophilia/pornography. Don't know whether to laugh or be disgusted.

@LaNooch1978 #68 The same can be said about depictions of murder, no?

@LaNooch1978 social stigma associated with child abuse is on a par with that of murder and rightly so. The question is whether banning the fictional from showing it have a positive or negative impact in the real world.
My view is it that it is better to recognise that such fetishes exist and deal with them in the least harmful way possible. Similar to how it’s better to have someone with violent impulses go on a rampage on GTA than bottle them up and act violently in real life.
I haven’t seen any studies on how access to pornography affects behaviour but it would be wrong to assume that is necessarily negative just because the material is unpleasant. I don’t condone the actions portrayed but I don’t believe people become any more accepting of them because they exist in a game.

Watched the video, not really that bad. The women in the game are not "children". If I had to guess I would say in their 20's, fully formed women. Its definitely pervy, but its just a game its has a jokey, silly element, clearly different from real life. A bit pornographic, sure, but you'll see worse in movies and on network television. Slap a Adult only rating and its good to go. Steam version will apparently be uncensored

Honestly Sony, can't a nonce make up their own mind without you nannying them?

Censorship is terrible, whether I care for what's censored or not. I didn't buy Fates because Nintendo cut out a piece of the game and I'm not going to buy the PS4 version of this.

Sony shouldn't be playing ESRB here.

@MysticMask
It's the context in which it is presented.

Summer Lesson - you mentor a young girl and although you CAN do some pervy things, the presentation is that you are literally supposed to be mentoring a ln attractive young female student no matter how big the #wink wink# is for the other stuff.

Persona 5 - Ann's boobs are remarked on for being large by fellow teenage students and attention is repeatedly paid to them. It's not inconceivable that as part of the story of a group of teenagers in a school setting teenage boys would lust after Ann. Whether so much attention should be repeatedly paid to them is pervy or an accurate representation of teenage boys, that's a fair discussion.

if the game had a mode where you could take pictures of Ann's pants and fondle her privates and boobs , for no other reason than "well, yeah, hot", that would be wrong. If anyone doesn't think it is, I suggest taking some time to re-evaluate your attitude to women and stop hiding behind arguments along the lines of "...b..b.but men have honour killed women for years in other cultures for stepping out of line, who am i, some kind of western SJW, to question their time honoured cultural traditions?"

Fist of the North Star - Civilization is depicted as having fell, so normal rules of decency do not apply. The strong are are preying on the weak, one man who despicted as having a strong moral compass uses ultra violence as a means to dish out justice in this post apocalyptic society on these villains. Is it too much? Again, that's a debate.

For what it's worth, I thought GTA V having Trevor torture while lamenting the pointlessness of torture was a miss of the mark to make a point as part of a broader game experience , but still acceptable. If they had a Trevor's Torture Room mode where the only aim was to torture people, that would be wrong too and I wouldn't be up in arms for a ban.

I can understand people saying "nothing should be censored and society should be exposed to everything" as an argument and can see some validity in it, but would probably air on the side of "people are generally idiots and we need a little protection from ourselves". That makes more sense than people missing the point of this mode removal , willfully or otherwise.

Cheers,

RP.

@playstation1995 I knew you were a good guy but now I know you are a man of culture .word up son

@DLB3 From my understanding, the "mode" we keep referring to in this game is actually primarily for changing and displaying the various clothes and costumes that you unlock, with being able to touch the girls as an added detail. Much in the same way how Rockstar added the detail of being able to get back all the money you used on a hooker after having killed her. And there's only "consequences" if a NPC witnesses you performing the act. No one saw it? Then you got off scot free! And then of course an argument could be made that getting a wanted level is its own sort of reward, as that means that you now get to experience the gameplay of a filling chase as you try to outrun the cops.

So if an obviously fully matured woman gets depicted in a work of fiction gets labeled with an arbitrary age of like 12 put on her, are we then to treat her as a child and thus consider any attraction to her as pedophilia? Would you call anyone that watches the first American Pie a pedophile, as technically the movie depicts fictional teenagers in sexual situations and in the nude (they're all in high school, after all)? Japan idolizes the youth. In all aspects. How many JRPG and anime protagonists have all kinds of experience and mastery in skills that'd take years and years and years of practice and learning to achieve, yet aren't even 18 yet?

Doing most of the things you do in GTA would be "sure as hell" illegal if done in real life. Sure, depicting the fondling a minor in a movie would be illegal, but that's because we now have an ACTUAL REAL LIFE MINOR involved, who should most certainly not be exposed to those themes in any way. And that's the major difference. The girls in these games aren't real in any way, shape, or form (aside from the voice acting, which I'm 99% sure were recorded by adults). They're codes of line directing a 3D model with an animation skeleton and an overlaying texture. They're pixels on a tv screen. To me, conflating that with child pornography is akin to calling anyone that uses a dildo a rapist because dildos cannot consent. If a girl uses a dragon-shaped or a horse-shape dildo, do you consider that bestiality? Of course not.

And to your comment in #87 about the attachment rate of actual pedophiles to these types of materials, I have a few questions. 1) What kind of materials are they? As in are we talking about stuff with actual kids in them or artistic renders where no real kids were involved? And 2) does wherever you got your information from have statistics of those that own said artistic renders yet have never committed any crimes (harm of children or actual child pornography)? Because if not, then all you have is a correlation, causation. 100% of murderers that used a gun either owned or had access to a gun, yet statistically barely any (probably less than 1%) of gun owners have ever actually shot a person, after all.

(Edit: Forgot to actually @ you yesterday when I wrote this yesterday. Well, technically I did, but I also copied and pasted your message into the reply box so I didn't have to keeps scrolling back up and down every time I wanted to look at your comment again...and apparently erased the @ when I deleted it before posting. The way comment section is set up on this site isn't exactly the most conductive when using a smartphone)

@LaNooch1978 I see nothing wrong with that kind of portrayal when there's absolutely no actual, real life children involved. Because then it's fantasy, pure and simple, and the same level as "wrong" as going on a killing spree in any number of open world games would be.

Moral - In the BDSM world there are kinks, performed between 2 consenting adults, like "consensual nonconsent" and "age play". Combine the two, and you've effectively this game mode but in real life. Are you saying that the two consenting adults playing out those kinks are immoral and wrong? Do they need policing? And if not, then what exactly is the difference between what they both do together and what a person does in the game?

Artistic - Given that literally garbage placed in the middle (or maybe slightly off center!) of a room is considered "art" nowadays, I think pretty much anything can be argued to be art. As far as I'm concerned, the idea of "artistic" has for now lost all value.

Financial - Sex sells. Sex appeal sells. Stuff geared towards a specific kink most certainly sells. How else does a struggling artist survive on commissions?

@RPE83 I've spent far too long in this comment section today, so I'll refer you to #98 and #100, where I think you'll get a general sense to my views about the "context" in this regard. Though I will say that your honor-killings comment is a little ironic given how ridiculously lenient certain European countries have been in giving out punishments for certain people with regards to crimes much more extreme and worse than this game mode we've been talking about to actual children, with "cultural differences" being a contributing factor in that sentencing...but I digress.

Trevor's Torture Room - isn't that basically Surgeon Simulator in a nutshell though?

@GKO900. hahaha thanks.just having fun.word up son

Over 100 comments on Senran Kagura article? I always took this as a dumb silly little series that was never to be taken serious. That kinda changed now.

@get2sammyb It's not just about Sony being associated with it. I very much it would even be legal to release it as it was in most countries. With good reason, imo.

@shonenjump86 There was one article, ostensibly about Senran Kagura, on NL that got around 487 comments back in 2014.

Seems pretty black and white to me, I know precisely where 'the line' is. Any piece of media that legitimizes sexual activity with kids is an utter disgrace, any media that legitimizes sexually activity against someone's will is disgusting; any person with a desire to experience that media is a deviant, simple as that.

The idea that censorship is a bad thing, in the context of this subject matter, is completely disingenuous.

@Ralizah ah, I think I remember something like that. It was a review for a 3DS game and a lot of people didn’t take it to well.

It is easy to accept censorship when its something you dislike or disagree with. I wonder how many of the "games are art" crowd are fine with this.

Wouldn’t the legality of this game mode be very questionable in the Uk?

@MysticMask
You raised some interesting points, thanks for taking the time to reply.
Regards,
RPE83

Okay. So Sony is playing Nintendo of the 90s and Nintendo is becoming more adult? Senran Kagura Reflexions is a bad game but it has been released without censorship in the eShop. I'll be waiting for the Switch version of Burst then, since the PC game is uncensored as well.

@RPE83 Ok then i said nothing then i dont think the stuff is smart anyway just make change it to the region you put it on. 😜

@Lando_ Yeah and they removed the breast size slider in Xenogears yeah more adult or just plan stupid.

@get2sammyb Have you ever tried sushi mate there is a lot different stuff. 😁

@LaNooch1978 Great to hear look at some western sites no kids but they simulate it. Maybe wrong but people act of its new. 😑

And lets be fair i murdered so many people i cant count any more. Never had the idea to anything close to it. If you go that way it means we should ban voilence too because if you play you are that way.

@Rob_230 this article has way more sjw going on than on Dualshockers.

@Flaming_Kaiser I forgot about that and that they also removed a hot springs scene from Tokyo Mirage Sessions. Guess you're right then. There are some characters in the Senran Kagura series that look like little girls. Regarding this I can understand why Sony wanted the touching to be removed.

@Lando_ They should make the characters adult i cant see many or almost have a problem with that. And i agree with you mate. 👍

Damn! So many Nintendo fanboys on YouTube badmouthing Sony for leaving out this mode; saying, that Nintendo allowed a game completely around intimacy without censorship (Senran Kagura Reflexion). Didn't know that Nintendo's community had so many paedophiles.

@KingdomHeartsFan

If you saw anyone with proportions matching the characters in question in real life, you wouldn’t be calling the cops, you’d be calling a hospital. Anime is distilled stylization - it’s not a depiction of human beings as much as it is a presentation of exaggerated human traits that the mind assembles into a mental representation of a person.

When anime presents the exaggerated traits of “sexiness” and “youthfulness,” it’s intended to be assembled into a mental image of a smoking-hot barely-legal bombshell, which is socially acceptable, last I checked. If your brain’s interpreting it instead as a mopheaded toddler with huge bazongas, that’s on you for not assembling it right. You’re buying a bed from Ikea and trying to build a bookshelf out of it.

Anime characters are not children though, it's fictional and completely harmless. Unless you're somehow screwed in the head and think it's okay to do that type of stuff irl. I think this is blown way out of proportion, I watched some gameplay and to me, it just looks like your typical weeb pervy stuff. I don't see the big deal, there are way bigger issues out there. Censoring some silly game cause the characters look somewhat young despite having fully grown butts and tattas, they don't resemble real children at all to me. Anyways that's just how I feel about it, I could care less either way, not my type of game.

@Fath While rarer, some do develop quicker than others. I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that 15-year old is not a 15-year old even if they give her a large chest. She’s still meant to be a 15-year old, just a more desirable one. It’s clearly stated in the instructions here that one of them is 15.
Honestly, something not being real doesn’t automatically not make wrong. Some things just shouldn’t be no matter what.

@get2sammyb ...except that Sony had previously been perfectly okay with it (and thus "associated with it") in the previous four Senran Kagura that have released in the west. So it's a bit hypocritical for Sony to all of a sudden change course about it now.

@LaNooch1978 ...I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to exactly? Are you saying that people in the BDSM community are immoral people with "deviant sexual desires"? I mean, if that's your reasoning then okay...though I don't know what makes you all to different from Christians that accuse LGBT people of the very same.

Edit: Also, with regards to your comment on #122, there is a difference between "pre-sexual humans" (which I'm assuming to mean pre-puberty) and the girls in this game, which are post-puberty in high school. And the sexualization of high school students has been a thing in our media for awhile. I mean, off the top of my head there's American Pie (with many of its sequels and seemingly endless copy-cat movies) back in 1999, and Fast Times at Ridgemont High back in 1982 - both of which showed straight up nudity of "high school students". And that's not even touching on the endless number of horror movies that involved the sexualization of high school aged characters.

@get2sammyb You mean the movement that was sparked by someone where its come to light in the past couple of months that she's also had sex with a 17 year old kid, and paid him thousands in hush money to keep it quiet? Isn't that about the same age that we're saying the girls in this video game are? Funny how that works out.

@RPE83 You're quite welcome!

@get2sammyb So in other words, we're getting a repeat of the Jack Thompson era. Only this time we have an industry giant caving in instead of fighting back. Greeeaaat...

@KingdomHeartsFan A quick point with regards to #128 - it's kinda weird when you say that "violent urges" are natural and attraction to anyone post-puberty (which the girls in this game all are) isn't, when history (girls where considered eligible for marriage at 14 in ancient Rome and as young as 12 in the Medieval ages) and other cultures in the present day (like in the Middle East, the East, Africa, etc) say otherwise.

@Jaz007 @KingdomHeartsFan Characters being "clearly stated in the instructions" as being 15 - which I'm taking a serious leap of faith in taking your word for, by the way - is a definite problem, yes. It's also not at all what's being censored here.

If the problem Sony had was with character bios, then Xseed would have just removed the ages from the in-game bios. That's not even a theoretical, it's something they already did back in the game's original release on the 3DS.

The biographical ages - if they even show up in the game or manual, and you're not just pulling this from "oh, but on the game's Wikia page, they quote the Japanese bios as being..." - aren't what's being censored, though. The imagery is. If you're going to defend Sony on this one, you have to defend what they're actually censoring, not what they're letting pass.

Kudos to Sony. Nintendo needs to step up.

And this isn't a cultural shift, it has always been wrong (at least in the West, should be worldwide) to depict children as sex objects.

@get2sammyb Keep in mind it wasn't just him - it was a whole bunch of Christians and people that didn't understand games and people that thought that violence in games on the whole was a bad thing and could corrupt minds and lead to MORE violence (an argument of which we STILL see come up every so often to this day).

It's the exact same thing, only now its people from the other side of the political isle that would be doing the complaining, for a slightly different immoral action that one could perform in a video game. I say "would" though because in this instance, Sony decided to do it BEFORE any moral crusaders decide to have a go at it. Sony is in the wrong here.

@Fath No, your arguments do not hold water.

@doctommaso So you also must think the sexualization of the high school "children" in movies like American Pie and Fast Times at Ridgemont High is also wrong and those movies should also be banned, yes?

@MysticMask I find those movies highly distasteful, but it's not even close to the same, if you see what's going on in some of these games. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you. Also, you need to understand how the law works with regard to adults molesting underage children, that's an issue in all of this.

@doctommaso You're right in the sense that my first post's argument was self-contained, and my second post doesn't really support it at all. I guess it just bugged me that it was being taken as gospel in this thread that these characters are stated in print as being underage, without any evidence to back that claim up.

To my knowledge, Xseed has been censoring the character ages in this series from the beginning, specifically to placate claims that they're underage. Raking them over the coals for indecency that isn't even there because they've been censoring it the whole time is just... absurdly meta.

@doctommaso I'd imagine the laws would work the same as they do to things like theft, assault, murder and various other laws that are "broken" in video games. Things that would get you arrested in real life, when there's real victims that have been harmed by those actions. There are no victims in GTA, and there are no victims in Senran Kagura.

Or do you mean to say that you can't tell the difference between fiction/fantasy and reality?

@MysticMask As I said, if you can't see the obvious issue, I can't help you. I don't really want to engage in a back in forth that is likely to be fruitless, considering where you are starting from. I think I've made my point clearly. We'll have to agree to disagree.

@doctommaso Apparently so, though I'd say that if half the comment section disagrees with your assessment, calling the issue "obvious" is a bit of a stretch. But feel free to tell me how some potential unwanted touching is somehow a much worse and more immoral action than murdering innocent people in violent and gruesome ways. Because that notion seems absolutely ridiculous to me.

@Lando_ So many comments around the web commending Nintendo on not censoring a game(which they done it multiple times already) release on there platform is considered being a pedo now? Odd

Censorship is wrong. No matter how you spin it. Censorship has already affected Yakuza 3. Where are we gonna draw the line?

@MsJubilee The fanboys are saying, that Reflexions on Switch wasn't censored. Reflexions is a touching simulator. But the fanboys forget, that there are no underaged or children character in this game. Allowing the intimacy mode in Burst would allow to have sexual tendencies with childish characters like Mirai. If Nintendo fanboys are implying to allow that, then yes - I'd call them paedophiles.

"This isn’t the first time this year that Sony’s censored a game, after it outright refused Omega Labyrinth Z’s release on the PS4 outside of Japan entirely."

This is also inaccurate; Omega Labyrinth Z was released physically and digitally with Chinese, Korean and Japanese versions throughout Region 3 (Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South Korea).

@Lando_ I don't care. I don't care about these 16 year olds. I care about censorship. Censorship that has already taken content from everyone multiple times. So i ask again. Where do we draw the line?

"But the fanboys forget, that there are no underaged or children character in this game." "Allowing the intimacy mode in Burst would allow to have sexual tendencies with childish characters like Mirai" You just contradicted yourself. Also many characters in this game are underaged as well. The hell are you talking about?

@MsJubilee The characters in the EU version of Senran Kagura Reflexions for the Switch (Asuka, Murasaki, Ryona, and Yomi ) are 18 or older. That's written in their biographies. In Senran Kagura Burst on the other hand, minors like Mirai (16 or younger) are available in dressing rooms and touchable.

For me, there exists an obvious line: I don't want to see the possibility to touch minors in games.

@Tasuki OK. I've never been successful in talking to Nintendo fanboys on a quiet, factual level. They only seem to understand when you become aggressive and insulting. But I'd gladly become convinced of the opposite.

@MysticMask But some girls really touch that she looks really young part. The same goes with the dead or alive that bikini stuff why do you leave characters like Tina out and put in Marie. To be fair its give and take with the market you are selling to.

@Lando_ Thats what i mean just change the ages as if anyone would care about something like that. Otherwise yeah you are nasty. 👍

@Ashyne This game was nasty i would not put my company at risk putting these games out in the West either for a few sales.

@LaNooch1978 It was actually genuine confusion, as I wasn't sure what exactly you were talking about. So. Let me make sure that I have your argument from that comment right. You're saying that because bad people have used certain arguments to excuse their bad behavior, then those arguments should be dismissed out of hand entirely? Isn't that a bit akin to saying that the entirety of Islam should be dismissed entirely because a small portion of Muslims use it to justify their acts of terrorism? I think you can see the error in that line of reasoning.

"Members of the BDSM community are consenting adults of the appropriate age." Technically the same can be applied to these games, as everything in them were created by adults that are giving players consent to play the game however they want. But then saying that "no association between children and sexuality for any reason whatsoever" would mean that you disapprove of age play, so apparently you DO then think some portions of the BDSM community are "deviants", no?

And the thing about the high school sex comedies that I mentioned contained actual nudity. There's no reason for that unless it's for the sole purpose of being titillating, as otherwise they could easily have shot the scenes without said nudity. And given the rating on those movies, the targeted audiences weren't fellow teenagers. And while it's objectively true that those movies have fallen out of favor in recent years, the reasons you hint at as to why is purely conjecture on your part. It could just be because the market got over-saturated with them and thus the audience bored with them, meaning that the genre will most likely make a return sometime in the future, as tend to happen with trends. Or, it could also very well be because of easy access to porn on the internet, given that the rise of the internet just so happens to coincide with the fall of the genre...which carries with it certain implications, wouldn't you agree?

@KingdomHeartsFan Alright, so think that through. What would cause those cultures to be that way, if not for biological urges? I mean, once humans begin developing primary and secondary sex characteristics, would they not become by definition sexually attractive?

Very young children of course wouldn't express sexual behavior normally, as they hadn't hit puberty yet. But as soon as they do hit puberty, are you telling me they don't become super interested in sex?

I think you're conflating prepubescent children with post-pubescent teenagers. I agree with you completely on the former category, but biologically speaking I think it's the exact opposite as far as attraction to teenagers go. I mean, if you look at PornHub's top searched terms for all of 2017 (no statistics for 2018 yet, as far as I'm aware), "teen" is the 7th most searched term (with "hentai apparently being the 2nd, interestingly enough), and the 5th most searched term the year before. So if anything, it'd be the cultural overriding the biological in today's age more so than it was back then.

Also, as general rule, it's always a terrible idea to try and compare human morality to animal behavior, given how terrible some animals naturally act. The mating habits of ducks for instance are based entirely around rape (look it up sometime, though it WILL shatter your worldview about ducks from then on...it gets to be pretty messed up). There's a species of penguin that have no qualms about forcibly mating with young kidnapped from other parents, have have even been documented stealing baby seals away and raping them until death). And that's not even touching on the fact that in most animal species in general, once a female hits puberty she's immediately available for mating, despite still technically being in her "teenager" years.

@JoeBlogs Well, first off, whether I would play a game or not does not correlate to whether I think the game should be censored or banned from being made. If that were based on how certain people "feel", then there wouldn't be any games with LGBT characters for instance.

But to answer your examples, in a nutshell - I might, depending on how they're designed. There's a board game that actually exists (Train, by Brenda Romero) where the main goal of the game is to transport as many Jews as possible to concentration camps via trains. Granted, it's more of a social experiment as who you're transporting is never specifically identified and you don't find out the name of the location that you're transporting them to until the first player reaches the spot, but it's still a game with very familiar themes to what you're suggesting (and its award winning too, I might add).

The torturing puppies game...it depends on how graphic it is as to whether I'd play it or not. There are actually mobile games on the Apple app store that exist with that very premise, just minus the puppy. Instead, it's a little round fellow figure thing (though I wouldn't be surprised if some games allowed you to swap the humanoid with a canine equivalent), where you beat, electrocute, slice, blow him up, etc, using the points you gain from doing such things, which you can use to purchase even more weapons and tools to use on him. It's cartoon-y, and actually kinda fun to play for like 15 minutes.

Can't think of any ISIS games like that off the top of my head, though I'm sure they also exist. Technically you do much worse things in games like Plague, Inc, where you play the role as an illness of some kind and are tasked with starting from patient zero and from there involving to infect and ultimately eradicate the entire human race, sometimes through some rather graphically-described ways. And that game is on the PS4, Xbox One, Steam, and mobile.

I draw the line when actual human beings are harmed in the making of the game, I suppose. But that isn't a thing that happens during game development.

@Flaming_Kaiser You do know that there are women with small breasts that are of age, yes? Just because Marie Rose doesn't have gigantic breasts doesn't automatically mean she's a child. Thinking like you're thinking leads ridiculous reasoning, like with the Australian government, where its now illegal to depict any woman with A cup breasts topless, no matter how old she is.

Edit: Also, to your #169 comment, Sony has been a-okay with having this very mode in previous Senran Kagura games in the past, and didn't have any negative consequences because of it.

@LaNooch1978 You do know that you're making the exact same argument that people who think that violence in video games is bad and should be removed/banned/censored, yes? That the violence "psychologically damages" the mind of those who play them, potentially causing them to become more violent in real life, and desensitizes them to the horrors of what that violence would actually result in if done in real life? How is your position on this any different than Jack Thompson's was on violence in video games?

@Rob_230 "Like others have said, i dont believe this is censorship."

Oh really? What do you call Sony forcing a developer to remove something then? I'll give you a hint, it's not "localization".

"More its fundamentally not appropriate to release in the west in this format."

First off, Sony is not the arbitrator of what is appropriate in the West or not. Secondly, the ESRB is fine with the content seeing as how they gave the game a M rating. Lastly, if it wasn't appropriate for the West then why did previous games release without issue when they had the same mode in them?

" Sony would be crucified in the press"

Yeah, and we know how biased and crappy the press is.

The censorship apologists are strong here.

@LaNooch1978 And the rebuttal to that rebuttal that they proposed is that it's the interactivity part of games that make it different (which is ironic as XSEED says that Sony said that it was the interactivity part of the mode that they object to now). And those very same people would say that something is wrong with your wiring for loving something so depraved as Red Dead Redemption. So what is it exactly that makes them wrong and you right? Bit hypocritical if you ask me. I mean, why does the ability to take a random woman, tie her up, and leave her on the train tracks and watch her get run over by a train exist? What purpose does it serve? Or to be able to stab a person in the gut and watch them limp away, trying to hold their stomach together, and slowly stalk them only to finish them off right when they've found someone that could help them (as you can do in GTA)?

Also, you and a bunch of others here keep calling them "children", with the only reasoning behind it being that they're in high school. I don't see it that way - probably because growing up in the 90's all the movies and tv shows set in high school the "children" were 9 times out of 10 were played by people in their 20's and sometimes even early 30's. So in my mind fictional high school students are kinda seen as adults. Plus, given that in the Senran Kagura series all the girls are also trained to be deadly assassins and can easily perform physical feats of strength and agility that go far beyond what any adult human can do, let alone a "child". So the idea of calling them helpless children seems completely absurd to me. They aren't helpless, and if the touching was truly against their will, then they have more than enough means of taking care of you, so calling it abuse is also a bit of a stretch.

This does make me think of a question though that's only tangentially related - let's say that as a teenager you watched or played some sort of game set in a high school. And let's say that there is a specific character that's around your age in it that you liked - maybe you have a crush on them or just find them really attractive - and so you fantasize about them sexually. A few years past, and you're now an adult. Does fantasizing about that character now make you a pedophile? I mean, with an actual person it wouldn't be an issue since that person ages with you, but since this character is fictional they technically never age and thus would still be considered a "child" to you, so how do you personally reconcile that?

Also, one last question - what does "LN78" mean?

It's "child pornography" as much as killing people in games is murder. And there are games that allow you to do so in very gruesome ways.

The girls in Senran do not get naked. There's no penetration. For the most part it's fanservice that barely teeters on the edge of pornography. Senran Kagura Reflexions on the Switch (which was localized without censorship) is a game with a more in-depth "intimacy mode" than normal Senran games.

Games that are MORE EXPLICIT have been allowed on the platform before. Where FULL FRONTAL NUDITY has been shown. Games have been allowed where you saw people in half, pull out spines, blow them up, whatever. No one had a problem with either of these things, but now we have a new policy that threatens to censor.

But most gamers who play games KNOW: this is not reality. This is fiction. They can separate it.

Where does a policy (which hasn't been shown to the public or anything) like this stop? How will future games be censored to facilitate this new policy?

That's my main concern about it. People are saying "Oh it's Senran Kagura, it's niche and it's "child molestation"" so it's fine. But what happens when another game that you like, that has a some fanservice also gets censored?

@KingdomHeartsFan There HAVE been studies looking into violent video games. Most people who play them are not violent at all, despite how immersive or gruesome the games may be. There's no evidence that violent video games cause people to act violently. Just like there's no evidence that fanservice and sexy pixels make people go out and molest real people. There are millions of people who play violent video games (GTA V, over 90 million sales, deemed most successful media product of all time). If video games really did make people act out what they saw in them, then the death toll would be much crazier.

Out of those millions of people there'll be a few bad eggs who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality and hey need help. But do the rest of those players deserve to be robbed of their entertainment or have it neutered just for those few?

For the record, I play MH. I don't play Hunting Horn because I find it somewhat complex but I know its strengths. Hunting Horn is one of the LEAST used weapons in the community, despite it being so powerful. In most hunts a lot of players will focus on healing themselves and chipping away at the monster rather than using Lifepowders or playing support. I doubt that they are also the same in real life.

@KingdomHeartsFan To be clear, I'm not making that point to argue that it's acceptable by any means (the distinction in this particular conversation being that we're now talking about actual teenagers as opposed to fictional ones in all the other ones in this comment thread), but only to argue the point that biologically speaking it is natural to find someone post puberty to be sexually attractive. Of which the points you made in your first paragraph support more than they counter, do they not? I mean, the knowledge that we have now about girls not being fully developed mentally is most certainly the result of the cultural (as it was learned) and not the biological (instinct). The cultures of the past didn't have that knowledge, and the cultures that do it now tend to be the cultures that aren't nearly as developed or educated as the cultures that don't.

To the porn search data: PornHub actually goes really in depth with their data - I think you'd find it a rather interesting read. I'd link it myself, but I have a feeling that linking to a porn site would get me banned (the page itself is extremely SFW, but the URL is still that of PornHub...it's easy enough to google though). As for interpretation goes though, it's interesting that you separate "teenage women" from "barely legal teens", as personally I see the girls of Senran Kagura to be the former, whereas everyone else here that seems to be against it to be the latter. One of the more popular porn genres is that of the school girl seducing her teacher, and vice versa. Do you find that genre on the whole to be morally wrong? And if not, what differentiates it from this game mode that you find to be so wrong?

Of course, the age of those doing the searching is an interesting point. According to PornHub's statistics, the average age of viewers is 35, with the largest age range being the 25-34 category. Of course, given that the site doesn't (obviously) list any demographic below 18, and those teenage boys obviously would be on the site to some capacity, I don't know how valid these numbers are necessarily (or how PornHub tracks them), so take that as you will. Interestingly the top searched term for the 25-34 and the 35-44 is "Japanese" (which is second for all ages older than that). And given how youthful Japanese women tend to look, and how much Japan idolizes youth, especially in the high school range, well...

But then that does raise another interesting point - that teenage boys are probably also a large demographic for the Senran Kagura games. Would a teenage boy playing that mode be more acceptable in your eyes?

As to the animals part, while it's true that the number of species that try to mate with their young (prepubescent aged), I can't think of a single species that wait any amount of time between when an animal sexually matures and a later point in their life (aka the "teenager" years of that animal) before they're willing to mate with them, like us humans do. And it's that age-range that's at the heart of this discussion, as it's the age that all the Senran Kagura girls seemingly fall into. If you can think of any, definitely let me know. But as it stands, I think using animals as an example actually hurts your thesis.

Finally, to your last point - I'm in complete agreement with you, as I'd love to see those studies. People game for a variety of reasons, and for different reasons at different times. Some do it to fulfill their darker urges but in a safe environment (those that mow over pedestrians). Others do it to roleplay out a different role where they can take actions that won't have a lasting impact on their real life, or are able to do things that they wouldn't physically be able to in the real world. Honestly it'd shock me if those kind of studies aren't already out there.

Meh - alright, one more thing. Personally, with regards to women in fiction specifially, I tend to gravitate toward the younger ones. Why? Because they tend to most resemble normal, natural women to me. Partly because in things like anime or Japanese video games where fanservice has any kind of focus, most women have ridiculously gigantic breasts. I'm actually not a fan of huge breasts - I'd prefer average to smaller sizes myself. And guess which kind of girls are the ones that have that? Mostly though, it's due to height. In real life I'm a rather large guy, coming in at 6'6" (1.98 m). The vast majority of women I've met typically only reach the top of my stomach to the middle of my chest. Very rarely do I come across a girl that comes up to my chin, let alone my nose or even eyes. So in fictional works, where the camera or point of view is typically at a more average height (i.e. a lower perspective than my own), there becomes a bit of a disconnect where the women depicted come off as being much taller than they should be. It's not really something I pick up on consciously, but subconsciously it feels a bit off. Whereas younger girls come off as being the correct height of a normal woman, so they feel more like "real" women. Does that make any sense? Hopefully it does and doesn't sound like complete weirdness. Plus, in a lot of works said character isn't exactly written to be like the age they're stated as, like Yoko from Gurren Lagann, who's actually like 15 at the start of the series, yet if you missed the small part where that's revealed, you'd never think her to be that age, would you?

@KingdomHeartsFan Eh. Yes the series is rated M (17+ in the US). It being rated that though I'm sure stops teenage boys from getting their hands on said game in much the same way the "Are you 18 years or older?" age-gates stops them from entering a porn site.

@LaNooch1978 And you've refused to listen to any points I've made. Funnily enough it's the exact opposite in the comments section of Dual Shockers, as the vast majority of the comments there think that Sony is in the wrong for censoring the mode. And on Niche Gamer, the comments...devolved into an argument on whether PC or console gaming is better, as far as I can tell. Go figure.

You don't have to keep commenting back if you really want to stop, you know that right? I'm not forcing you to reply. I'll will say though that your comparison of scenes between RDR and Senran Kagura is disingenuous though, as you're comparing a typical bit of gameplay in RDR to this mode. The typical bit of gameplay in SK would be you hack'n'slashing through various opposing ninja and enemies with ninja weaponry. Show that impartial person the bit where you tie up that helpless woman, lie her on the tracks, and as she screams for mercy watch the train approach and eventually eviscerate her (which earns you a trophy, I do believe). I don't think the reaction will be quite so cut and dry then as you seem to think it will be.

@LaNooch1978 So you'd be okay if Sony had censored that roping instance in RDR? Now that's interesting. Being LGBT is still considered to be highly, fundamentally immoral by a lot of people in the US. So if a character was LGBT in a game, and the fact wasn't integral to the overall experience, then you'd be just as fine with Sony censoring that aspect out of said game, yes?

I say that to illustrate that not everyone has the same sense of morality, and that your own is not universal. My main point has been that no actual real-life person is being harmed, thus there's no reason that it should be censored. You first countered with saying that since bad people use that reasoning, said reasoning should be dismissed out of hand no matter how true it could be. And after I pointed out how ridiculous that logic was, you then used reasoning that's suspiciously similar to that used against the LGBT - that it isn't "normal" and that it "represents an erosion" in common standards; a slippery slope of sorts with an implication that it'd lead to actual pedophilia (Of which if this latter point were actually true, you'd think that we'd have seen some of that by now, given that the first game in the series, which also had this mode, was released in the US all the way back in 2013 on the 3DS). And you have ignored other points & questions I've made.

Basically, I believe that the slippery slope lies in allowing Sony to censor to begin with, as it's better and easier to fight it now at the beginning instead of waiting until they censor that you actually object to being removed when precedent has already been set.

@KingdomHeartsFan Yeeeaaah admittedly my last reply to you got to be rather long. It's a shame though, as I actually quite enjoyed this discussion/debate with you. There's no rush on my end so if you do ever get around to reading it feel free to reply back whenever that is. I go a bit more in depth on where I'm personally coming from there, so I think there's some merit to giving it a read sometime.

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And 200, gotta be a first for Senran Kagura article on Push Square.

@KingdomHeartsFan I haven't forgotten about replying or anything, by the way. It's just been a rather busy past few days/week, and my phone is kinda falling apart and in need of replacement. Will get back to you soonish.