Poll: Do You Feel Ripped Off by PS Plus' Recent Changes?

ps plus should give 2 AAA games and 2 Indies game a month that will be amazing.like salt and sanctuary.bastion.ruiner.etc.word up son

Funnily enough I've just resubscribed for one month because my son wanted a damn Fortnite exclusive skin!! I let my sub run down prior to that, back in November I think because I don't play online and considered PS Now a better alternative as most of the games seem to cross over on to that service anyway. The discounts are good, granted, but I need to stop spending money on games anyway!!

I’d like to see steeper discounts AND more games

I'm not too bothered about ps3 games but was annoyed they removed vita games and ps4/vita Cross play games. Compared to xbox games with gold and the xbox games pass, Sony is seriously falling behind. I did try ps now but I have 4 kids and when everyone is online the service was unusable and doesn't have the quality of games that xbox game pass has. Unless Sony has something new planned I think they have really messed up compared to xbox. Obviously just my opinion not facts

Voted yes for Q2 but I do think I'll continue to renew even though I seldom play online. I still have a substantial ps+ backlog and if I can get 1-2 quality games per month going forward then I'll be happy to keep subscribing. In saying that, I do feel the service is at it's lowest point in some time and it'll be interesting to see what form it takes going forward especially if there are a noticeable decline in subscribers.

I’ve never had a subscription, and doubt I’ll ever get one.

It's pricier than I like, and I'm not sure that I'm going to resubscribe once my sub ends. But it's undoubtedly not a rip-off if you want to amass a large collection of digital games quickly, between the steeper discounts during sales and the IGC. I'm not happy that we're not getting any more Vita games, but considering they've mainly been pushing obscure indies for the past year or so with the Vita selections, it's probably not too huge of a loss.

Mainly, I want a tiered system. I don't play online, and I don't need the IGC, but I do like the discounts and cloud storage. It'd be great if I could pay a discounted price for just some of those features.

If it wasn't needed for online play I wouldn't bother. I'm also confused whenever they announce a two year old+ AAA game and people get excited. My general opinion is that if I wanted the game, I would have bought it at some point over the previous couple of years. I would much rather the service focus on newer indie titles. Something like The Occupation for example would be perfect. However after the issues FuturLab had releasing Velocity 2X on the service and making no money there, Sony need to reevaluate the deal they offer before smaller studios would risk getting on board.

No not in the least. It's a dollar a week. Between the IGC, discounts, free stuff, cloud saves etc. I feel I'm getting my money's worth. I'm more than fine with what's on offer in its current state, however I do think the should have a tiered system of sorts. Say $30 gets you online/cloud saves, $60 same as what we get now, and at $120 they include PS Now. I think that would be the best solution going forward.

I am happy for now.

However give me 2-3 months of games I own or plain won't play and I could and probably will moan like a man baby. You have been warned Sony so please check my account and select the free games accordingly.

They increased the price of the service, removed the PS3 and Vita games (which often gave PS4 versions through crossplay) and give seemingly nothing more back to us. I mean Modern Warfare Remastered and The Witness are getting on now so I doubt they really provide any extra value than the usual PS4 offerings. Giving us maybe one extra PS4 game or some other bonus or reward would surely balance the scales a bit.

My other vote for improvement was :

Include PS Now subscription as part of your PS Plus Subscription. If you did that, You could almost go down to 1 game given a month since you have access to hundreds of games - and you can download them too...

were the indie games this month dont look after loyal ussers

They removed half the games we were getting for free, didn't lower the price or add anything in it's place.
I've always said there should be a cheaper option for those that just want to play online and don't care about the discounts, games etc. You really are just forced to pay whatever they say if you want to play online with friends.

@Juvenlast
That's easily the best suggestion I've seen regarding value. I'd have liked something similar for Now on the Vita rather than disabling it.

the vita games were mostly trash..the ps3 games however i appreciated.

I always viewed the ‘free games’ as a bonus rather than a ‘right’ with my subscription. I’m paying for the ability to play online/share play or whatever else ps+ is needed for (not sure if shareplay or voice chat needs ps+). And hence I’ve always been happy with the service even if I don’t play online too much. Only a few free games a year do I really even ‘want’ to have. Most just sit there undownloaded. So if they give only two games of better quality (like this month) I’m SUPER PUMPED! Both of these games are getting played this week for me haha.
I do really like the discounts they give on games here and there. If they continue to push that side of things until the ps5 releases, then I would be pretty happy.

I do not even think about it. Usually get the 12 month cards over ThanksGiving/Christmas time on sale. Not payed full price in ages.

And with all the new releases - not going to play any of this stuff anyway. PS+ is so I can play new games like The Division 2 online.

By the time I need a "fill" game in the release schedule, I always have 1 or 2 free games I care to play.

I can't tell you the last time I turned on my PS3.

The only thing in PS+ even remotely of interest to me, is the backup of saves. That's not worth the price of admission

@get2sammyB You need to add an option for feeling ripped off but still needing to play online - not just feeling indifferent.

I’ve been subscribing since day one. If I’m being honest, I don’t really care about the change, purely because I have too much to play. If I didn’t, I’d feel more strongly about it.

I do think it’s bad form to up the price, remove the Vita and PS3 and replace them with nothing. I can understand people being annoyed by it.

My only real concern is Sony starting to think they are untouchable.

We see it almost every generation, the leading company starts making some bizarre moves and next thing you know, they are knocked off their perch.

I'm not sure what more you could expect for $5 a month, or if you're smart and buy on sale, $3.50ish a month. I buy enough games on sale each year that the ps plus discounts probably pay for the subscription. Plus recently got Soma, Yakuza Kiwami, and now The Witness, so I still think the value is there.

It is a pity that the PS Now Streaming is not available in more countries. If it was, they could offer two "backwards compatibly" games through that service.
Heck, MGS4 has just been added to the Now service

@jly1987 exactly... We should get at least 3 ps4 games (at least one AAA game) and greater, more significant discounts on the ps store. If they aren't gonna cut the price for the subscription, that's the only way to go. If we got more than 3 games a month, odds are we would start getting a lot of weak games no one really wants to play ( not even for free, I mean)

If march is quality bar for 2 games then no. I just hope there isnt a magic number. So if 1 month they wanna do 2 quality aaa and then 2 or 3 smaller and A VR title

There should be just a single "Yes" as an answer in the "Do you feel ripped off by PS Plus’ recent changes?" poll. Cause I'm going to renew it anyway…

I’d really like a subscription to online services without any free games at all, because I buy more games than I can play already, and don’t really like more being tossed onto my backlog indiscriminately. I also don’t much care for being held hostage to pay Sony every month in perpetuity lest my collection get snatched from my hands.

I guess I’m just a weirdo.

What if plus dropped the monthly games and added now?

My PS+ runs out at the end of the month, I've subscribed since the PS4 launched. I paid in advance, before Sony increased the price. However, I've now disabled the auto-renew and I've got no intention of re-subscribing. The cost just isn't worth it. The PS game discounts are a joke and can be bought cheaper online. The free games are crap, or I already own them, so basically, I'm paying for the privilege to play online. As for my multiplayer fix, I find that I play more on PC, these days, where there's better games and the multiplayer is free.

For me personally, I have never felt that this service was a good price. The free games have never interested me as they would typically be games that I would already own at that point, and it does not help me that said games (as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong) are not kept permanently even after the subscription expires which does not feel future-proof.

The discounts don't make me feel the need to subscribe, as I feel that there are plenty of sales on the store as is, so I already feel like I am getting a good price on that front, not to mention I prefer physical (I have brought plenty of digital on PS4 though).

I am only really interested in online for Monster Hunter World, but one game alone is not worth the price of the subscription (I could do 1 month-3 month subs but there is also the difficulty of finding the time for both me and my friend to sit down and play the game although this is more nitpicking from me at this point).

The only real thing I would like is the cloud saves. I think a tiered system as mentioned by @redd214 @Ralizah would be great so that I could get the online and cloud saves, and ignore everything else.

we all know the price is NEVER going to drop. it will only increase... so that is out of the question. sony needs to do something, though, that much is clear. there are several options: eventually throwing in ps now as part of the subscription sounds like a very promising possibility. steeper discounts with psn sales sound ok i guess... but i would rather they include two additional indi games along with the one or two AAA games every month. i will be totally satisfied with that.

Sony just needs to include at least one PS5 exclusive and all people will be happier than ever.

I have been a longtime sub of ps+ mostly to play games online but feel it's over priced with the amount we spend on games shelling out on games then having to renew.
I am no ps+ at the moment as can't afford it so hoping to hold off until easter and they will have deals. It's a pain because cant play online but i am playing single player games to go on with cleaning up other games.

Id say over all though playstation has far more deals than xbox on their store and you get far more than xbox gold.

Mabe they should do a ps+ deal for each person depending on how many games they buy download and buy and boot up like a discount for loyalty.

The other thing is when your ps+ runs out you cant play any of the ps+ monthly games you've downloaded even if you have been a longtime sub for 5 or more years.

@get2sammyb It's always been an optics thing, and this is really the culmination of a mostly long downhill slide.

People complained on PS3 when monthly themes and avatars went away, that was a big selling point in the early days. But they did add IGC. Why don't you mention bringing that back? I think they kepy 6 or 12 games available year round. Didn't help if you were already subscribed, but motivation for new folk. Or, another option, just keep the games up, don't take them away. Sort of like IGC but continually growing.

I don't feel ripped off, that's way too strong, I just let it lapse, and they gave people 12 months warning, so bous points for that.

But, it has been a long downhill slippery slope. Hardly anyone batted an eye when PS+ became REQUIRED for online. So my biggest concern right now is, if you look at the history, PS+ will be required for online on PS5, and you'll get unlimited cloud saves, but NO games as Sony pushes PS Now instead. Maybe discounts, but no rentals. Maybe only PSVR games if PSVR2 launches alongside PS5.

But it's only been one month, let's see if they hear the complaints and live up to their "for the gamers" slogan and improve things. I'd sign back up for Dreams, but I'm not paying $40 to be a early beta tester.

@rjejr $40 for early access to dreams will net you the full game as well. so it is quite a deal imo.

I usually buy an annual subscription around the holidays when on sale. I get sucked into the discounts on games all the time.

I don't mind PS+ dropping PS3 (which I just recently got into) and PS Vita (which I love), as long as they offer frequent deep discounts on game prices. Which it seems like they have been doing with big name games for $4 US, etc.

If PS+ redirects money to providing 2 top notch games, maybe throw in some DLC and PSVR every now and again, then the price seems fair.

@Hengist
Really? I just picked up Far cry 5 for 15 dollars and Hollow Knight for $7. Where can I find them cheaper?

It’s a good deal overall imo, but Sony should definitely offer more than two games now, since PS3 and Vita titles are not available anymore. They should offer two AAA games plus indies, I would definitely be satisfied with more indie games on the service.
Can’t forget that many people used to complain when indie titles were offered though, so maybe Sony are working with this feedback now.

I'm worried that Plus will turn into just big multiplayer games that are loaded with DLC.

They like to dump those games out when things start to slow down, just to get more players and more $$$.

I'm disappointed with the lack of VR games, I thought they were going to add those when PS3/Vita were removed...

If there was an option to buy your way out of Plus (lump sum) and keep your games, I think I would do that now.

It’s still a terrific deal, but there is a change I’d love to see. Why not give subscribers a choice each month? For instance, release a handful of games of different genres and allow subscribers to choose their favorite two. The remaining three unchosen games could be offered at a huge discount for the remainder of the month. I can’t play first person games because I get motion sickness, so as much as I’d love to try the Call of Duty game, I won’t be wasting precious space on my machine this month. If I had a choice, I could pick something else instead.

@playstation1995 i would rather have a choice of PSVR games instead of indies imho.

I have no choice if I want complete access to ALL my games and content....

Not really, I use psplus for psn discount (bought psplus at $40 on black friday, saving $60 on discounted psn games last year according to sony website), cloud saves, and occasionally free games. A couple of years ago I unsub, but its annoying to see discounted games that should be more discounted if I got psplus and the free games that I can't download so I subbed again.

I'm satisfied with the service as it stands today.

Just got on plus to download the two new games and what do you know there’s four games to download so now maybe the entitled crybabies can quit crying

@huyi Indies is pretty good playa.they have some awesome games.word up son

I see the free games as a additional bonus. I don't download/play all titles, but the ones I do more than enough make up the money the annual sub costs.

24 games a year. Even if I almost own most of them. Who are we kiddin

I don't feel ripped of. I presume the overall quality of the games will improve with less games. But it would be nice to get the odd VR game or a smaller indi game.

I have had plus for a few years and there are only a few games that are actually worth playing the plus gives you, i would say out of a 100 games(i have way more from plus) only 5 are actually worth playing. It seems like they just give out games that are unknown just to say they have given plus members a game.

PS Plus isn't worth it for me. I rarely ever play multiplayer, so I'll just get a 1 month pass on the rare occasion I want to do a multiplayer game.

@dark_knightmare2 its not about being entitled. I have never complained about plus before. Its always offered good value. But with the price increase, combined with the removal of ps3 and vita titles, customers are bound to be a little put out, at least initially.

And there are indeed extra games available atm. The ps3 and vita offerings were available longer (until the 8th) this month

If they're not going to give us the ps3 games etc they should put some other type of free content, like half price PlayStation now or just reduce the overall cost.

I don't currently subscribe to plus and very few of the games recently have had any interest for me. I don't play many games online anyway and those I do tend to be on Xbox where I have Gold, partly for my step son who can share it and partly because their free games have been those I'm more likely to play, they do have the advantage of backwards compatibility to help though with a couple of og Xbox Star Wars games recently.

My PS4 PRO is used primarily for Sony's big first party exclusives but if they did add PSVR titles for example I'd be much more likely to subscribe to plus

With the same article popping up again and again, I'm pretty sure someone does.

not sure how I can feel ripped off it is the same service on PS4 with added Cloud storage that went up 90% & some great games being added imo:)
my PS3 is thought of with very fond memories but never turn it on anymore have no reason my backlog on PS4 Pro is massive.

@mvhess Try looking around on the Internet?

I just looked at Amazon, which didn't have a sale, and found it for (no doubt a more in-depth search would lower the price)... https://www.amazon.co.uk/UBI-Soft-1025293-Far-Cry/dp/B071Z9DB65/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb_twi_gam_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1551814790&sr=1-1&keywords=far+cry+5

I don't know how much that is, in dollars though. I imagine that it's not that far off. However, even this non-sale, standard price is 50%+ cheaper than Sony's standard pricing, e.g. Far Cry 5 is usually 50 quid. Sony's sales don't really mean that much, when their game purchase costs are so overpriced in the first instance.

Perhaps on the rare occasion, every now and then/once in a blue moon, you may get it for a few quid cheaper, in a Sony sale (e.g. I just looked on PS and they're selling FC5, in their 'sale', for 20 quid), but for me, a rare 2 quid saving doesn't justify the subscription cost of PS+.

Quit charging for online and I’d drop Plus.

So the inevitable PS5 question.

Will Sony be including a couple of PS5 games when it launches as well as PS4 games?

Of course there's the anticipated backwards compatibility so PS4 games should work, but I expect Sony will want to have something for the PS5 itself when it launches (even if it's indies again, god bless Resogun)?

Serious question, what is cloud storage for? And why should i care about it?

Moving on, i havent cared about ps3 games since ps4 came out but i will truly miss all the awesome indie/crossplay games.

I say 2 ps4 games and an indie game and keep the month to month price but lower the price of the 12 month ps+ pass.

@Gmork___ cloud storage is used for uploading your game saves. Useful for if you switch harddrives or consoles. Unfortunately i didnt update the cloud save and my ps4 died so i had to start alot of thongs from scratch so always update lol

Let us keep the games even without an active ps plus subscription like XB live. If they did I wouldn't mind the recent change much as I'd still be building up my game collection.

I though four sure They would have added at least a PSVR game to the Plus offering. That on top of the games offered don't appeal to me personalty. So yes I feel the value is less. With Sony so silent we do not know if they may add a mid month game. I guess we just have to wait and see what next month offers. Adding online play to Now at its current price so people would have a choice is a good option. You could join with free games for $49 or with Now less the free offerings for $99.

i think i've only downloaded one plus game in the last three years, so i'm indifferent to the 'loss' of the games, i was unlikely to ever download them anyway. i think they could add a free rental from PS Now and/or PS video to be used within the month. my sub expires shortly, and since there's no multiplayer currently of interest, i'm inclined to let it lapse, since i rarely buy digital games discounted or otherwise.

It would be better if Sony gave its members the 2 AAA titles plus 1 vr and 1 indie titles to make up for losing ps3 and vita titles. I have all of sonys consoles and play on my vita and ps4 everyday, remote play is great and allows me to carry on playing ps4 game in bed. Life is great.

I've been a PS+ member since forever. I do not feel ripped off, the "extra" games were mostly fluff for me, all my PS3s died years ago and the crossplay ones, well, I can do without. I'm happy with just two games if they also keep being high quality games. Also I appreciated the cloud storage increase. Obviously I wouldn't mind if Sony gave us more for the same, but from my point of view value went a tiny bit up, not drastically down.

I'm not massively disappointed with it, bit I don't play online games 99% of the time. I looked through my PS+ collection the other day and realised that I have no intention of ever playing almost all of them. There's the odd gem in there, like Yakuza Kiwami, Bloodborne and Psycho Pass, but I don't think it's been worth the money for me personally. Not least because I already had BB and YK.

I think that's part of the problem, by the time you get a game free, you most likely already have it if you have any interest in it. In a way, it's a form of gambling, you're rolling the dice on if anything worthwhile crops up before you buy it.

Im not fussed about it but now I have bought a VR kit i hope they start to put in VR games too

@Neolit i meant at no additional cost. No more monthly games but you get to play online MP and have access to now library

I am generally pretty happy with PS+ as I cover my sub with the sales and the games I redeem are a bonus.

Though I don't redeem everything, I average $250 in games over my sub cost. I look at the games as a great way to try games I wouldn't otherwise buy and the fact they're the complete game and not a demo or first chapter is very cool.

Why not just offer three or four PS4 games instead of two?

@Porco I suppose it's quite a deal if you were planning on picking it up Day 1 for $60 anyway, but I wasn't sure, was looking forward to trying out the demo, but they never sent me a code. 😛

I don't feel ripped off because for me the value has always been in the sales. In the case of most games, particularly 'AAA' games, if it's something I'm interesting in, I try to get day one or not long after. The ones I don't get right away are usually in a PSN sale, sometimes very deeply discounted, 3 or so months down the line, long before ever hitting the PS Plus lineup.

Looking at it selfishly, there's no change but I do think Sony should add a third game, whether it's another PS4 game or one for PSVR (some of those games are playable without the headset so an added bonus some months). It would look better especially if the alternative is lower the price now to say $50 for the service only to jack it back up to $60 a year or two from now when we're probably getting 1 or 2 PS5 games in addition to 2 PS4 games.

I think they should offer an extra indie game. I'm going to switch over to Playstation Now, I get the feeling that's what's they're trying to get people to do.

I feel ripped off, yes. I have already spent my money on the AA games I’d like to play, so there’s no value in the «free» games for me. If there was a cheaper version for online play only, I’d probably pay for that, but as it is now, it’s not worth the price for me by a longshot.

This past 28FEB my subscription lapsed for the first time in two years. It's been almost a week now free of Plus and I can't say I miss it. I do purchase digital so will ultimately miss the 'yellow' price, but I played nothing in the past year on multiplayer and haven't downloaded a 'free' game in a few months due to my personal disinterest.

If Sony could introduce a "PS Store Savings Club" and I pay $25 for a year of discounts in the digital store, that would hold a great deal of interest for me.

... there should be another option "I feel ripped off, but it's essential if I want to play online, so I'm over a barrel"... the fact is there's absolutely no reasonable justification for the price hike and the removal of older games isn't that much of a big deal (although I'd liked them to have continued to support my Vita) - it's just having both consoles (XB1X, PS4) I'm now finding that the same games are being offered on Gold and PS+ - so it's lose/lose for the consumer... when XB Game Pass is miles ahead of Play Now (and only getting stronger) - I think Sony are going to struggle to keep their lead in the next next gen fight (I'm rarely on my PS4 now, as any cross-platform games I get on XB1X for the better experience - Atmos, etc. etc. same with Netflix and streaming services - they're all better on XB1X) Sony is punishing its loyal customers for some reason and it's leaving a nasty taste in my mouth... I won't hurry to buy a PS5...

Yeah, I always had at least 1 vita game to enjoy but now this month I felt like there was no update at all!
I think the service needs two good games like this month but they need to add a psvr, playlink or indie game every month or the overall price needs to go down.
Also you need an option for YES, BUT I'LL STILL RENEW xD

Eventually they will add PS5 games.

Not as much as I feel ripped off by Nintendo for the switch one!

At the end of the day your paying for the online service now, the games are a perk. I payed for 5 years of Xbox Live and never expected anything free so I don't with PS+.

We are approaching an ever more likely PS5 release and I think the amount of people actually subscribing to PS+ because they want free PS3 games is very small, Sony probably want to start focusing on the PS4 and then include the PS5 in the service.

@Hengist I'm not sure what your search showed other than $15 was the cheapest price anywhere

Realistically, I almost never played the PS3/Vita titles anyways. I would really like them to include something new though.... A PSVR game a month would be nice, but I can see why this isn't the most appealing since many consumers haven't bought into VR yet.

A free movie rental and/or PS Now game of the month would be neat.

@mvhess I explained all this in my post. If you're having difficulty with understanding it, then there's not much I can do about that. The essence of my reply, was to point out that the Sony sale/deals aren't that great. However, I suspect that you already knew that that was my intention. If you want to carry on, with a bag over your head, believing that saving 2 quid (or dollars), is the bargain of the century, and justifies your subscription costs, then carry on. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I wouldn't say I feel "ripped off" exactly, but the value for money has definitely gone down and I'm not sure how much longer I'll keep paying. I don't really play online much these days so at this point I'm pretty much just here for the PS Plus games - which have been solid enough but not so much as to justify the price increases.

I let PS+ and XBL Gold auto-renew monthly and I never actually notice.

I don't know why I keep renewing membership. I NEVER play online and usually delete the free games after playing for an hour (there has been a couple I completed). I will not be renewing this year though unless there is a significant price drop, or more offers. I think Sony should offer a two tier service - 1/2 price if you don't play online.