Sony officially unveiled the first details regarding the PlayStation 5 this week, catching the industry somewhat by surprise in the process. Many had expected Microsoft to move first at E3 2019 in a few weeks, but it seems the Japanese giant had other ideas. Of course, Xbox chief Phil Spencer alluded in Los Angeles last year that it will never allow its rival to reclaim the hardware crown after what transpired with the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One – and that’s prompted “insiders” to come out of the woodwork and claim that the team in green’s next box is “more advanced” than PlayStation’s offering.
It’s perhaps worth nothing that Microsoft is rumoured to be releasing two next-gen consoles: a cheaper, less powerful option and a supercharged alternative. Assuming that there’s any truth to any of this, it’s likely that the premium box will be the one that eclipses the PS5 – and will presumably come at a cost. The latest speculation comes courtesy of a journalist named Ainsley Bowden, who claims to be citing “multiple sources”. There’s since been further chatter on forum ResetEra from people supposedly in the know. Our advice: take all of this with a pinch of salt until official specifications are announced.
Of course, we don’t really know the full PS5 picture yet – in fact, we imagine there are plenty of details that are yet to be determined. However, the folks in Redmond have shown with the Xbox One X that they’re willing to price high in order to outpace PlayStation’s offering, so we wouldn’t be surprised to see Microsoft repeat the feat next-gen. Given the success of the PS4, we’d expect Sony to be cooking something relatively affordable – even if the details announced for the device so far suggest it won’t necessarily be cheap either.
[source twitter.com, via resetera.com]
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Interesting, we wait and see what happens.
Wild speculation starts now! How many 'bits' are we up to now, Ive lost track ha! Seriously though, for the most power it'd be a case of get a PC anyway, its the games that will sell the console.
Yeah, but if they don't have any games I want to play then there is no point in me getting one!
Get your **** together MS, c'mon!
My 360 days were some of my best gaming days...
Good for them Xbox... What about the games?
Don't matter if you have the most powerfull box if you don't even have games to play with.
In that case, a PC is light years better!
Though I'm sure they will bring new and exciting games that aren't named ______ followed by a number... At least I hope so.
I would rather buy a Games Console with better Exclusives really than it being a little bit more powerful So SONY has my money next- Gen already(again)
even if true,would it realy be better for MS though?
i mean this gen has proven that the exclusives are what matters above all.
the xbox x is more powerfull than the pro,but that has not changed their position in the console "war" so having more power does not matter in the long run.
i know it's fun and exiting to have a powerfull console,but not realy to have the most powerfull console if the rival offers better value in the software department. you know the stuff you buy a console for in the first place.
most people that realy care about power that much are PC gamers that only buy a console for the exclusives,so again it is the exclusives that will be the big factor if the console will succeed or not. besides all the xbox exclusives are pc games aswell so those people won't even have a reason to buy the xbox.
I would be shocked if it wasnt, power is more important to MS than price.
How did xbox one x turn out with no exclusive games?
I guess they will never learn, power has never won a console generation, its always been the games.
When you think about it though, its not like they are going to come out and say their console is weaker lol
This is what I expected to happen. Whoever revealed details first, then the competitor is going to counter with why theirs is better. It’s why I was kinda hoping Sony would just keep quiet with the PS5 details and react to MS’s inevitable reveal. But like the article says, there’s enough PS5 details that have been left out that perhaps there is room for more back-and-forth leading up to launch.
Microsoft is going to have to have a significantly more powerful console for me to get it because it would only be to play multi platform games. I have to have PS5 for the exclusives.
I think there might be a bit of underestimation going on regarding MS's software. Microsoft has been buying studios for some time now, because they know that's a weakness for them, and I have to imagine that will pay off for them eventually.
What I'll be interested to see is how this ties into their shift towards games as a service, and whether or not the physical XBox will be that important to their strategy. The lightning in a bottle of XB360 was largely a victory of online infrastructure, because the hardware was pretty garbage. I'll be interested to see if they successfully leverage their strength in that area.
To be honest I always thought this would be the case, they wouldn't want to lose their "worlds most powerful console" tag and particularly as the One suffered for such a long time as the weaker console. It would also explain Sony coming out so early to get a head start so when the Xbox is announced people may not be as impressed.
Rumours are there are 2 Xbox's anyway with a base around Pro levels of GPU but obviously a much improved CPU and then a supercharged console coming too and I expect PS5 will be much closer to the higher of the 2 Xbox's. In either case I'm much more excited for the PS5 given what exclusives we know will be comin to it but I'll still probably get both
@Ristar24 Honestly we're still at 64 bits since it refers to the word length hahaha
I honestly couldn't care less which is more powerful or can provide the best resolution etc. Put simply I'll go where the games are, which this gen has been Sony by far. If Xbox can show off some better exclusives before the consoles release (ones that won't end up canceled anyway) then I'll consider changing, but it won't be for the promise of better graphics.
To be honest who really cares. The ps5 will still be a powerhouse and ultimately whats most important are the games. Microsoft have spectacularly failed to deliver on that front this generation. And the switch has shown that if you deliver a console that suits the needs of its consumer, it will be a success regardless of power (see also 3ds/ds). The exclusive games Sony has coming are more than enough to make up for a perceived lack of power compared to xbox.
Yes i know some will point to 3rd party games and say that they will buy them on the most powerful platform. But if you want to do that, you can play it on a pc.
Games and affordability of the console will be king. And lets not for a minute think Sony and Microsoft each dont know the spec of each others next box - either from insiders, or devs who have dev kits. Sony have intentionally not played all their cards publically so can always adjust accordingly.
We are also reaching a point where graphics alone are reaching theor natural peak for exisiting technology. I genuinely dont believe power is enough anymore. Its the unique features that will sell boxes. The share button was a game changer this time around - and the other unique things sony introduced with ps4 surely helped to differentiate and sell consoles this gen. VR being an obvious example.
After this gen, i just dont know why anyone would choose xbox 2 or whatever its called over ps5.
@get2sammyb you might want to check out this on Eurogamer as it seems some PS5 benchmarks may have appeared online https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-is-amd-gonzalo-the-ps5-processor-in-theory
@carlos82 😂 i read it. I understood not one word of it
@Rob_230 I understood some of it, its easier when watching the video but basically he said its gonna be awesome, I think 😂
Honestly, whoever has the lesser “base” console loses the power ideas. Sure they have the X. Sony exclusives can do more still because of the PS4’s extra power. The game design will still be limited by the lowest powered console. I’d also like to know how they know Bohr consoles’ specs too.
@carlos82 Haha thanks for translating 😂 this is why i play on consoles. Press button. Game works 👌😃 (excluding fallout 76/anthem)
All I care about are the exclusives. Hopefully sony will continue what they did this gen and hopefully ms gives me at least 5 exclusives thatll make me actually want the next xbox
@nessisonett Sony 64 it is! As an aging gamer I find the 'power' aspect funny by now. PS5 will likely be console I'll buy, partly as get to carry across my digital PS4 library...
"It’s perhaps worth nothing that Microsoft is rumoured to be releasing two next-gen consoles: a cheaper, less powerful option and a supercharged alternative."
I hope Sony does the same. I want the most powerful PS5 I can get.
Specs are cool. Games matter. Sony has games. Microsoft doesn't. And outside of Ninja Theory and the Forza dev team, the acquired studios don't have good track records for games of decent quality.
It's been noted that MS new Xbox will have Navi 2 from AMD but Navi isn't even out yet on the market not for a couple more weeks I believe. The chip they are using is most likely a slighted boosted version of Navi 1 again power isn't everything it's game yes they have new studios but they need to push for better 3rd party games a well.
Lol. But will it have anything worth playing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party exclusively?
Yawn. Aren't they going full digital and streaming?
ps5 games will still have better looking games to nextbox 2 whatever they call it.word up son
If it is it will be more expensive, and at the end of the day I would rather have Sony's great exclusives on a less powerful console than a bunch awful to.mediocre games on a more powerful console
Games games games.
MS are so obsessed at looking good in Digital Foundry articles. I think they honestly believe that Xbox One lost because PS4 was more powerful. Rather then been cheaper and greater line up of exclusives.
@Splat We can assume
PS5
PS5 Pro
@Boxmonkey I agree that games are required to sell consoles. For example, I will buy the PS5 when the next Gran Turismo is available.
@Salmonella I'm assuming that as well but I would prefer if they do that they do it day one. I don't want to buy two again.
pfft what ever i wonder if the new xbox will have a disc drive.
Check out xbox sales each week and most the stuff is for gold members and they have 20% of playstation sales.
Perhaps the 'Xbox One 2' will be the best place to play 8K games, but no one's going to have an 8K tv.
Kinect 3!
At the end of the day it's all about the games. There are just more games I want to play that are only on the PS platform. The only exclusive that interests me on the Xbox side are the Forza games. The power gap means nothing without the games.
I couldn't care less either way. In all fairness, MS would need to do something 'special' to have a 'significant' step up from its 'X' - a console that already offers 4k (mostly), VRR, Dolby Atmos (spatial audio) and a 4k HDR Bluray player - it also offers Dolby Vision too I believe. Therefore it doesn't really allow for 'much' of a step up - mostly just Frame rates with a few more games hitting native 4k - obviously Ray Tracing and 8k support too but in most areas, its already offering a lot of the 'next gen' features expected from Sony.
As I said at the start of this comment, I couldn't really care less which is the 'better' system as far as Hardware specs are concerned. Until the day comes that I can buy just a single device that plays EVERY game released, I will need to buy both the next Xbox and next Playstation too.
There is NO way I intend to miss out on Exclusives from Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, Sucker Punch etc just as I have no intention on missing out on games from 343, the Coalition, Playground Games etc either - at least the choice to play any exclusives which I won't have if I own both next gen consoles.
With MS investing in expanding their Gaming studio rostra, its possible that MS will be much more competitive on Exclusive titles - at least in number - whether people want to play all (from both Publishers) or not, time will tell but I want to have that choice to play rather than miss out - which I will have by owning both.
The hardest decision for me could be which to buy first - if they both release within weeks of each other - as they did in 2013. Back then, the XB1 maid more sense due to subscriptions (Gold) as well as Season Passes transferring up to the new gen. At the time, the same package I add, but with the PS4 instead, would have cost me more than £120 so it was a 'financial' decision.
Having PS+ now may make the PS5 package, especially if its cheaper, may make it the first choice - if I am forced to buy just 1 initially. I won't have just moved house next time so may not be quite so limited financially either...
Either way, I hope that gamers are not as petty as they have been - with one group saying all the power but no games (even if 90% of the games are available to both) and the other retaliating with 'resolution' mocking - as we had in 2013, and again in 2017...
Time will tell all, I guess.
If Microsoft have a noticeably more powerful console then you'd assume it would also be much more expensive. Basically the problem the PS3 had at launch.
The idea of there being a budget and pro Xbox 2 at launch is... pretty unexpected. I guess they could undercut the PS5 with a 'digital-only' version and overshoot it with a more powerful model and capture both casual and pro markets in theory. Sounds risky from a business standpoint though, getting enough stock of both.
Will it use cumulus nimbus to make crackdown 4 not crap?
I would expect them to. Being more powerful certainly helped PS4 though of course they need to be at the same launch price for that to have a real effect. However, are they going to fix their exclusives issue?
Lots of people with time machines saying Xbox won’t have the games... and that Sony have already won the next gen... I’ll wait and see - I’m not a fan boy of any of the big three and own all three and like choice. I have a feeling Xbox will have a strong line up of launch games. Saying that Sony are definitely getting it right... exclusives are strong for sure especially last year.. we need the third parties to get off the remake bus and be more creative.... but I have high hopes for the next gen
If this the case the ps5 might end up being 400$ if the next Xbox be more powerful for 500$ Sony will try their best to under cut Microsoft.
It's a monster!
It's more important to have a careful balance of price and performance. The crowd that wants the most powerful possible hardware regardless of price tends to be fairly niche, and is also subdivided further into people who only buy consoles and people who will build a proper gaming PC.
And then the PS5 Pro will come out and it will be the most powerful for a while, and back and forth 1-up-manship until the end of time.
This is how I think it all plays out.
Sony announces partial PS5 specs.
E3 2019 Microsoft announces new systems and how they are more powerful than the PS5.
At a later date, PS5 is officially revealed with altered specs. Officially may not be the best term, but you know what I mean.
So advanced, they just release a PC!
Ok let's see...
Xbox 1 was more advanced than PS2
Generation Sales Winner: PS2
PS3 was more advanced than Xbox 360
Generation Sales Winner: Wii 😉
2013-2016 PS4 is slightly more advanced than Xbox One. 2017-Present Xbox One X is moderately more advanced than 2016-Present PS4 Pro
Generation Sales Winner: PS4
I think if Xbox wants to 'win' the coming generation, they have to engage the hearts and minds of all gamers with great games and.... great games. They have, for the most part, been unable to do that. That said, as much as I like PlayStation, they must bring their A-Game if they are to remain at the forefront of the game industry. Let's see what both of these companies have to offer.
I think they are just making educated guesses and also based on some prejudice. Like they think if Xbox have a low entry model and a premium model, then logically they are more likely to aim a high level model regardless of price.
However I think it's only speculation.
It's interesting that what was revealed for PS5 is exactly what was rumoured for a while for the xbox consoles. The point though, is to be able to tell if Xbox is more powerful they would need to know much more in details about the PS5.
Even if there is a difference, it cant be that significant imho
what good is a powerful game console without any exclusive games? that would make the new xbox... useless to me. nice try, guys. getting jelly that sony beat you to the punch? lol
1) I said it before and I'll say it again. We are in a time when $1000 smartphones are the norm and popular. While it won't be that high, don't expect either console to be as cheap as they were last time.
2) A console with 2 power levels at launch is crazy. Splitting your market day one making it difficult for devs to know where to aim even worse if one succeeds and other is struggling in sales.
3) it's all about the games not power. There is a reason why Nintendo does so well and it's not power.
4) This is an edit for shame on me for not clicking on your source before wasting my time.
@Th3solution
No it was a great idea to reveal some PS5 details.
Those same details actually have been rumoured for Xbox for a while and can't reasonably be better (without more specifics) This way people think Xbox has to match PS5 whereas it would have been the other way round if they kept quiet.
@Ristar24 “It’s the games that sell the console.” If only Microsoft believed that.
I am totally done with the Xbox brand...I loved by 360, but haven’t looked back since. Microsoft seem way too invested in game subscriptions and cloud technology. Not to mention their “exclusives” aren’t even that anymore..with pretty much their first party games also launching on PC. Next.
Doesn't matter. I have a PC running gears of war on 1440p ultra settings and it still feels to me that the PS exclusives look better.
If I wanted power, I would've gone with PC gaming. Great exclusive games are what matters to me.
Blast processed ray-tracing confirmed.
I fully expect MS to keep the hardware power advantage from now on. However, if there is not a big change in quality exclusive games then I'm going with PlayStation first again next-gen because that's where the most well-rounded library will be as long as it plays multiplats competently.
Ooo, I love a good console war.
I don’t care if it’s more powerful. I buy PlayStation because of exclusives and the higher player base, not because of power.
Trying to sell two different consoles from day one will be a marketing nightmare.
I think they have to, if the power is the same people will just bought ps5 to get the next big exclusive games from sony 1st party studio like gow2, spidey2, next tlou, etc. If microsoft console more powerful at least they got forum/digital foundry point where they can talk how much better their system is, if you zoom-in 300% on your tv, lol.
Advanced seems to be a weird word to use.
They are all likely to be based on the same AMD technology. If for the sake of argument say more expensive of the 2 Xboxes has twice as much RAM and four times as many computer unit in its graphics card compare to the less expensive . I would not consider it to be more advanced than the less powerful Xbox. An SSD is more advanced than a spinning hard drive but a 2 TB hard drive is simply larger than the 1 TB hard drive assuming they have the same read and write speeds.
@wiiware indeed they have to. If their intended 'premium' console is just the same as playstation standard console, then they ll look silly.
Also 'advanced' is very vague and its unlikely 'insiders' know the specifics of both PS5 and Anaconda.
I reckon Ms will try up ps5 in term of memory and clock but I doubt many know of both specifics
One thing we know about Micro$oft they love over pricing things at launch. The Xbox One X is more powerful than PS4 Pro but far from that $499. price. A year after the PS4 Pro It should have had more power at the same price a year later. Looking at side by side videos it really very little improvement. Unless its a big difference it has zero effect.
I cant not see next gen being any different. If by a miracle it is and priced with in reason I have no problem multi-plating on a Xbox and getting exclusives on the next PlayStation. I don't ever see this happening! At some price point you have to consider PC gaming. I don't want to return to that all digital world but still possible as I already have a high end gaming PC.
@NoxAeturnus You know they have RARE and see what great games they brought us. But i just want to play games now we get this bull with different consoles. I still love my vanilla PS4 and the only reason i got the PRO for the MHW print. 😁
it seems to me that team Xbox to the bait!!
MS has failed to understand what the consumer wants over the last 6 years. The difference in power between PS4 and Xbox one was not significant at all but the media blew it out of proportion, with countless articles saying this games runs 1080p on ps4 and 720p on Xbox one, made MS feel they lost this gen due to power. I was hoping they would learn from there mistakes and start to focus on providing great games to people. And they have made the right steps by acquiring plenty of studios. I always expected the next Xbox will be more powerful than the ps5. But with the ps5 having great exclusives on the way and backwards compatibility with ps4 games, those 90+ million players aren't switching sides anytime soon....
Even if that's true, PS4 Pro and Sony own first party studios eclipsed any of Microsoft's games running on the X in terms of graphics fidelity, minus of course frame rates. If they don't have the proper studios willing to take advantage of that hardware then that's just an expensive enthusiast box.
@Flaming_Kaiser Laugh if you want, because people love to bring up the Rare aquisition, but it's not 2002 anymore. We need to stop living in the past - MS bought Rare for DK, which wasn't part of the deal, and they've clearly learned from that foolish mistake. Based on dev cycles and when they started buying studios, I have to imagine their launch lineup will be largely exclusives and largely games that have not been announced. They've been treating XB1 as second class for a while now, like Nintendo did when they abandoned Wii-U and shifted all in-development games to Switch. It's going to be an interesting transition to a new generation, that's for sure.
PS, Xbox, Google Stadia, it's all good for us, if it pushes gaming on further we're all going to win in the end, whatever our gaming rig, competition makes our chosen platform better, I know PS has really made MS think long and hard about their next iteration, without PS they'd just be pumping out the same old stuff, just the same as 1X has pushed on console hardware and shown some great upgrades this generation. I really don't want one manufacturer to exist without the other.
And what does 'more advanced' even mean? That they are farther ahead with R&D than Sony??
Whilst Xbone will likely see more first party output than the current gen, will they actually change their management style? Will they truly give the likes of an Inexile/Obsidian or Ninja Theory time to make single player focused titles? Looking at microsoft's efforts this gen the focal point has been Live-service games generally rushed out underbaked & maybe a year later boasting of content they should have had at the start!
For all of Phil Spencer's snake oil on Gamepass being the all in one solution even for AA titles like an Ori etc.., its all about a rental service wherein you never "own" anything.
Can't see them changing.
Not really interested in many of the exclusives from Sony so will most likely go with xbox. Microsoft have been making a lot of positive moves in the last 6-12 months sony have not been doing the same.
@hotukdeals Wait, what? 😂
@Royalblues
Sony have shown little to no indicators they really want cross play on their consoles. Look at home many games support it now. I doubt that will change for the next generation of console.
I'm def getting PS5 first, but XB has been doing some interesting things with XB1 and Play Anywhere/Cross Play so I'm pretty interested to see what they do. That was all just with an existing console that wasn't made with those features in mind. I'm curious to see what they can accomplish now that they get a fresh chance to create hardware for these features and whatever future features they have in mind. They have a much more appealing vision for their platform now than they did at launch of XB1. Let's hope that reflects in their hardware design.
Hopefully next gen they have something to show on the console VR side as well. I would love for more creative minds to contribute to the think tank, and XB fans really should be able to play VR. If XB doesn't get VR next gen, it will become a huge reason for many to get PS5. I just hope VR and streaming aren't the only focuses of PS5, and that there are some interesting considerations for Cross Play or something entirely new.
I don't care what power they bring. MS makes poor quality console hardware = FACT. Xbox controllers screams cheap thin plastic, echoes with every button presses and squeakiness of springs with every turn of the analogue stick. The Elite controllers are even worse, for 200US they are extremely prone to breaking. Seriously and people question why Xbox can't sell well outside of the US, because besides the lack of damn games, people from Europe and Asia actually recognize quality craftsmanship when they see one.
@KleebanKliban
Where crossplay is actually useful is for VR because of small install base. Psvr has already done it from the beginning with the other vr solutions outthere. Hopefully xbox will be part of VR crossplay. I dont think Ms want vr solution in xbox though. Maybe they change their mind.
@NoxAeturnus You brought up the point with the studio's and i made my point.
Late to the party but notice this statement form their source says "more advanced" and not "more powerful" more advanced could mean a lot of things... Maybe to Microsoft no disk tray is "more advanced" maybe building a kinect into the front of the system is "more advanced".
I am pretty sure considering its a Youtube xbox fanboy getting information from an inside source that if it was more powerful they would make it very very clear.
@Splints
To me it just sounds like they are using the wrong word like people who dont know sht same as us and meant more powerful. Haha
since xbox 1X people have been saying the next gen xbox will be more powerfull and having two skus helps aiming high.
Its a guess thats not new and actually very likely.
what Sony has done is genius they have really not revealed anything really anyone who remembers the 4GB ram thing will get what they are doing.
@hotukdeals that is why you are here to promote Xbox pathetic
Let’s face it. MS absolutely hated Xbone being less powerful than the PS4 and I’m sure they’ll be working on that not happening again.
I have a feeling their strategy will be to go high spec and to sell at near break even on hardware to bring the price down and get units into homes. If they don’t they may have a hard time selling a $700 console...
Either way I already know my setup will be PS5/Switch. Doubt there’s anything MS can do to get me to buy an Xbox more powerful or not...
@hotukdeals paid shill by any chance? How much you get paid to write comments like these?
more advanced = closer to release?. they're more than likely to be using the same generation of AMD components, so the difference is probably going to be marginal. even if it is more powerful, it's likely to be stuff that's way out of range for most gamers. very few are going to need 8K resolution support, or the most advanced audio processing going. i'd be happy with 1080p @60fps on ultra settings as the norm. also for PS4, sony pulled a last minute surprise with the 8gb of GDDR5 in PS4.. even some of their developers didn't know this til the reveal event. it's partly why the XB1 has fewer compute units in its GPU, some were removed to add the fast ESRAM. even if sony sold all its studios to MS, i still wouldn't buy an xbox.
Removing a disc drive doesn’t mean it’s more advanced, Phil.
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