We’ve been here before, haven’t we? I remember the halcyon days of 2013, when a less jaded Sammy and a much smaller Push Square quivered with anticipation as Sony announced the PlayStation Meeting which would later play host to the PlayStation 4. The event was revealed days after a cunning Kaz Hirai had told a business broadsheet that it would let its competitor go first. The company took the entire industry by surprise.
Success has perhaps whittled away at the Japanese giant’s sneaky side, but it proved today that it still has the sheer audacity to take gamers by storm: an unremarkable Tuesday afternoon and it provided us with our very first insight into the PlayStation 5. Microsoft, once again caught with its trousers around its ankles, hastily confirmed its E3 2019 press conference in the aftermath – everyone and their Phil Spencer-esque indie developer shirt had expected the team in green to move first.
But who needs the glitz and glamour of strobe lights and stage make-up when you can just send a tech journalist to Foster City and have Mark Cerny spill the beans? It’s a strange way to announce a new console, but in this social media age, the PlayStation maker has ensured that everyone knows what it’s up to – and at the end of the day, that’s all that really matters, isn’t it? The best news of all: the PS5 genuinely sounds superb.
In fact, I don’t think there’s a single thing I’m worried about after milking that Wired article for all that it’s worth. I suppose the console does sound pretty costly, but I don’t think there’s any chance of a PlayStation 3 reprise here – the manufacturer knows that it needs to be under $500 at the very least. Personally, I think we’re probably looking at somewhere in the region of $449.99, which is slightly more than the PS4 but reasonable for early adopters.
For me, there are two things that the PS5 needs to do: it needs to leverage the success of the PS4 and simultaneously evolve it. Those two requirements may sound precariously close to a paradox, but I think that’s what Sony is actually promising. Here we have a piece of hardware that’s built upon the very same foundations as its predecessor: it’s backwards compatible, it’s developer friendly, and it’s consumer-focused. But the manufacturer isn’t resting on its laurels.
No, the people at PlayStation are eager to evolve what gaming can be – and that’s absolutely how it should be. The drastically superior hardware specifications, with ray tracing functionality, will obviously improve visual fidelity – but features like 3D audio and faster loading will help with immersion in ways that are simply impossible on the PS4 right now. This is what a next-gen system should be aiming to deliver, and I’m glad Sony recognises that.
Of course, I do think there will be more to this story, and that leaves plenty for the manufacturer to reveal at a more glamorous showcase event. The controller – such an important part of any platform – is likely to be revised, with speculative rumours ranging from an on-board touchscreen to a built-in camera for more accurate motion detecting. What will be the PS5’s cloud streaming story? How will its operating system function? And what games will it launch alongside?
I think today’s story was targeted at investors, as the organisation attempts to reassure stockholders that it’s been busy behind-the-scenes. But in moving first in such a dramatic way, it’s stolen Microsoft’s thunder once more – buzzwords like SSD and ray tracing are now associated with the PS5, and will be greeted with little more than a shake of the shoulders when they’re inevitably announced for the next Xbox as well. It’s nice to know that this company is still as wily as it's always been.
Were you impressed by today’s PS5 blowout? Are you eagerly anticipating the next-gen console now? Salivate over the super-charged system in the comments section below.
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Was it? I've seen no one talking about it outside video game sites.
And if they wanted to reveal it now, couldn't they have done it as part of the state of play?
@naruball It's on BBC, CNN, and any other major website. And all the mainstream press will be at the reveal event as well.
Would the information and impact have been any different as part of State of Play? No.
@naruball I actually think the state of play makes more sense now. I was underwhelmed back then - but knowing psvr is back compatible it's going to sell even more units this year. A hell of a lot more.
All I care about is it being powerful. It can cost $500. I dont want to feel that after a couple of years into its cycle that its incomplete. The talk of an ssd and the ability for 8k has got me excited
Exactly my thoughts!
I love it. Cut the BS and speak the facts which they did.
@get2sammyb A less jaded sammy eh i guess it beats the days about you yelling about sony staying slient and not talking about there plans anymore doesn't it lol
Ps5 has all the boxes checked. Maybe 12 cores sounds better but I "guess" Sony/Cerny know their business... The rest is supreme, as the psvr compat... Maybe with the power of ps5 even better experiences can be squeezed from the limited resolution of the headset ( that's what bothers me the most , and the lack of proper vr controls).
@get2sammyb
I'd argue the information would have been diluted in State of Play.
Like you said Ms was forced to hype E3 because its new console announcement looked really sad the same day as PS5 news
It's better than reading rumours for months on end as has been the case before but I feel like a single article with no images or video really did lack impact...
The average person reading all this will acknowledge: visuals will be nicer, there's better audio and an SSD will let things load faster.
Seeing it in action should impress but just hearing the specs? : /
A new console generation should be a grand affair, show us the controller and footage of what will be possible with it.
@get2sammyb have they specified the ram? 8k textures will take up a lot of space, and if they’re aiming at load times.....
Also did they talk about frame rate? 8k at 30fps would be a crime....
"The PlayStation maker has ensured that everyone knows what it’s up to." I don't know about that. Seemed like a stealth announcement to me. PushSquare is the only place I've seen coverage of this.
But I guess it all depends on which corners of the interwebs you inhabit.
I think it's incredibly clever. Does one exclusive article have the same reach as a massive reveal event? Probably not, when you take everything into account, but what people don't get is that Sony's not trying to replace a full reveal event with this.
This is purely to get the hardcore crowd (that's us) sitting up straight and listening. Of course we're going to be paying attention. And then when the big reveal does come around, people will be losing their minds.
This strategy allows Sony to get a jump on the competition without even showing anything, because it knows that even just written down in an article, it sounds impressive.
When the curtain lifts on this thing, anticipation will be through the roof. It's all about planting the seeds and controlling the message, which is exactly what the article has done.
It’s payback time for ruining sony ps4 pro moment with the talk of true 4k machine and better vr (that isn’t true since xbx don’t have vr and still have dynamic 4k) lol.
If microsoft announces the next xbox with raytracing and ssd, people will be like “meh, just like playstation 5”.
@naruball Search “playstation 5” on google, every body is reporting the news.
I like the out-of-nowhere approach. Nobody was anticipating anything and it caught everyone off guard.
EDIT: I was wrong on some stuff regarding the Inside Xbox stream. My bad!
@get2sammyb Would the information and impact have been any different as part of State of Play? Yes.
There. Argument.
@wiiware
Sure, if you look it up on google, you'll find sites reporting it. You can find anything on google.
But I doubt it got as much traction as it would have as part of a huge event, such as E3. I checked facebook and none of my friends have even mentioned it, while they went crazy for Iron Man VR, God of War, etc (anecdotal, I know).
More importantly, same with 9gag. When something huge is announced, it blows up on 9gag. I've yet to see anything. I didn't even see it on yahoo, and though I'm sure it will inevitably be reported, I doubt the average, non-gamer is hyped for it after such an underwhelming reveal.
Bravo to the load times; fancy graphics seem nice; indifferent to the audio improvements.
@Deadlyblack That's pretty unfair and misleading. Tonight's Inside Xbox stream was announced a week ago.
@naruball It’s on the verge, forbes, and bbc, everybody is reporting this. And sony still have their own event for another salvo of ps5 news, this is just to reduce the hype for xbox e3 event.
@naruball This isn’t the official unveiling of the console though, like what would happen at an event like E3. This is only initial confirmation and light discussion of the specs and features.
When the actual console is unveiled and people are shown what the PS5 even looks like, then it would be fair to judge whether it’s being talked about or not.
I want to see what the console looks like.
@LiamCroft Welp never mind, I was wrong lol.
I'll edit my comment. Sorry about that.
@naruball yeah I don’t believe you one bit lol it’s been everywhere. It really just sounds like you’re salty for some reason
"evolve what gaming can be"
"with ray tracing functionality"
And here you had my attention for a second.
@sketchturner lol come on now it’s been absolutely everywhere since the news broke with every major gaming site and even places like CNN reporting on it so I can’t believe you’ve only heard it on here
@Areus Touché! Well, I haven’t been a huge fan of their approach recently but I loved today, so let’s hope they’re back to their old ways.
@naruball
ShogunRock explained very well that wasnt for non gamers. Its wasnt even a reveal. Its straightforward information and hype for gamers following gaming news. They didnt even show anything yet.
@nhSnork Read the full paragraph. I actually said that ray tracing — for as cool as it is — will just bump up the graphics. But stuff like 3D audio and the faster data streaming will fundamentally open doors impossible on the PS4 right now.
@naruball I just don’t think it matters where they shared this news. Although it would have been great if they’d given Push Square the exclusive story. 🤣
Not owning (or planning to own) a 4K set, I'm happy to hear that it's not leading with that. Instant load times sound extremely nice, and I LOVE the plan to go full next-gen on the audio experience. Hopefully there are performance improvement patches when it plays big PS4 games.
Couldn't care less about 8k, just give me the option of 60fps and backwards compatibility and I'm all ears
Was it though? Not doing a big event for a reveal like this feels super ultra mega weird...and I feel like a big reveal would have way more hype than just spewing out a bunch of specs (most of them PS gamers don't even care about honestly) and well confirming what we already know...they are making a successor to one of the best selling consoles of all time, wow surprise everyone!
Anyway as a HUGE ps fan of course I'm excited, the more casual players are probably just like 'k. Cool'
@get2sammyb @nhSnork
“According to Cerny, the applications go beyond graphic implications. “If you wanted to run tests to see if the player can hear certain audio sources or if the enemies can hear the players’ footsteps, ray tracing is useful for that,” he says. “It's all the same thing as taking a ray through the environment.”
If you read the article carefully Ray Tracing goes beyond graphics. It sounds to me like destruction and ricochets could benefit too, and those improve gameplay.
@get2sammyb I've read it. I know you like the idea of "immersion", "VR" (including advanced gyro cameras that are called VR nowadays) and other stuff, but - or maybe even therefore - I don't see why graphics are even outside the brackets here. If we're not talking designs and art direction but "graphical fidelity", then it really has no other purpose than to try and "immerse" (adapting the picture to wall carpet TVs notwithstanding).
And immersion is hardly the primary measure of evolving a medium of interactive fiction, despite unarguably having a place therein from the point of certain audience tastes. Fiction tends to immerse through the discovery and study of fascinating crafted worlds and their chronicles, and I'd argue that evolving it here is more about increasing the accessible amount and/or diversity of content while working to eliminate the technical hurdles between this content experience and the audience. In that sense, by the way, faster data streaming from the article sure sounds like a handy evolution path. In theory, so does the increase in stuff like RAM and processing power. But ray tracing? 3D audio? Oh well, I suppose they can help evolve PSVR alright. But hardly "what gaming can be".
@Jaz007 point taken if true.
Backward compatible and RayTracing.
That is basically worth the price of admission for me.
So, let me get this straight:
A new PlayStation console is coming (no date given)
It will have 8 cores (no clock speed given)
It will have RAM (no amount, speed or type given)
It will have a new GPU (wow was worried they were going to use the same one)
It will be really fast (trust us)
It will have an SSD (cool)
I guess I'm excited? (If they say so)
@octane I think this is article #18, called it. 😉
Hold on, now, Sammy! I actually thought you were joking when I read the headline. That's crazy!
That's a stealth mode announcement if there is such a thing. Love the sound of it, I'm just worried about the price, but well, I can wait a year to purchase if it is the only way to go.
And yay! We're not gonna lose Crash, Kingdom Hearts, Spyro and new masterpieces such as Horizon, God of War and Spider-Man! =)
Here is to future of gaming! o/
@naruball It's one of the most commented on articles on the Guardian site, which is about as un-gamey as you can get. Certainly stands out amongst the articles on veganism, pay gaps and people supergluing themselves to cars in London in order to "stop climate change".
I loved how random it was. The last thing I expected to read today was official details about the PS5 from PlayStation themselves.
If this is less than $499, I'll be shocked. And I'm okay with that price.
I don’t get this at all. Why not either
a) drop confirmed bits of information over a longer period of time, keeping everyone talking about it (maintain the buzz), guessing, hoping, discussing (will it be backwards compatible, will they reveal it at the same as E3, will it be so or so), or
b) announce that the console will be revealed at a given, with everyone waiting eagerly for that event, and having their eyes glued to it, or
c) both?
I can’t speak for the rest of the world, but none of my gamer friends had heard about yesterdays news, and there was absolutely nothing about it in mainstream media here (Norway).
Good initial tease/reveal, I'm currently all in!
... not that after 4 generations of playstation I was suddenly gonna go Xbox... But so far Sony's got me once again
Now they’ve confirmed PSVR support, I will 100% be jumping in this year. That’s all I’ve been waiting for tbh, as I didn’t want to lose compatibility when moving to the PS5
It was good - a reveal in a State of Play or session with this minimal level of information would have been scoffed at - a little like, is that it. However being in an article, it is the other way round, it feels like loads of details have been shared. Good marketing move.
I think this reassures people on several fronts. One - keep buying PS4 games guys, you can bring them over and they might run better. Two - Want to inveset in VR? Go for it, it won't be wasted. Three - How is it 'next gen', some big words that Rudy doesn't understand.
Gaming is at a critical point that we haven't seen since the early nineties. Gaming is big business and everyone wants a piece of the pie, and let's be honest, Sony is the smaller player compared to Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. Builiding on what it has, giving a sense of continuity means those who built up a PS4 library and love of the console can seamlessly follow. Now, as a PS4 owner, the competition have got to have a REALLY good alternative to make me jump ship.
@Sinton
I think this way of giving the information they can share at this time is just straightforward and more consumer friendly.
With all the rumours, Sony coming out saying 'Look, heres the facts we can tell you...' Without PR bs is more friendly.
Its different than games they d keep hyping with bits of info.
Besides they needed some info out before E3 for obvious reasons and at the same time its too early for a full reveal
i think it's an... unusual strategy. confirming anything, more than a year before its launch, doesn't seem congruous with the way the company was moving. i was kind of expecting a reveal within 6 months of its launch, and they've given their competitors a fairly sizeable chunk of info regarding the hardware specs. unless they're going to a pull a last-minute surprise by having a much faster CPU or more GPU power than anticipated, or way more RAM than anticipated.
SONY - Mark Cerny, respected technical engineer deeply involved with the design and implementation of that design. Respected within the industry and among journalists for knowing what he is talking about.
MS - Phil Spencer, bag of hot air.
As put in the article, MS caught with their pants down, probably still deciding what tone of green the stage background should be.
What an immensely confident reveal this is from Sony, I'm also glad that they gave the exclusive to Wired and not those scumbags at Digital Foundry (Sorry Pushsquare, I know it should have been you really).
There are rumours going around that wired had the information and were going to leak it so gave Sony a chance to work with them first. Would explain why it was done in this fashion I think Sony just wants to stay in front of the information presented without leaks ruining things.
I wonder if MS will try to top Sony by revealing the next Xbox at E3 this year?
@bindiana
Haha that sounds like 'Sony was about to do the same crap as Ms in 2013 but changed at the last minute' type of bs rumours.
Just as Xbox unveils it's disc'less console lol
Great timing and best of all the PS5 will have a disc drive and play ps4 games WhooooHoooooo
I liked it, out of nowhere, Sony been quiet for too long.
We'll be drip fed news for a while now.
A stroke of 'genius' - I don't think so. Of course a 'surprise' reveal after a period of silence has got people talking but in fairness, many have been expecting a 'reveal' for months.
The surprise was also the method of the reveal - not really taking the control so much, not really an 'official' feeling review, it felt to me more like a 'premature' article that should have come after a Sony official reveal - an exclusive interview with Mark Cerny after Sony had revealed the PS5.
In general, not a lot was particularly surprising. The big surprise is the SSD which, as we know, can be very expensive comparative to the Storage Capacity. 1TB SSD is a LOT more than 1TB of standard HDD capacity.
Everything else seemed to fit with what was expected. Even 8k support wasn't a surprise as I expected HDMI 2.1 anyway and that spec - not only allows 4k up to 120fps, but also 8k content too so 'supporting' 8k was not a surprise. Spatial Audio isn't unexpected - the Xbox already offers that.
There are still some details missing - such as the actual specs of each component and of course the price point. I still think that $500 isn't too high an expectation for Console price points - not with the specs to compete at 4k with Ray Tracing, with an SSD and having decent enough GPU, CPU and RAM to deliver all that at a reasonable and competitive performance - at least without losing too much money by selling at a loss.
@JoeBlogs I don't think MS will be competing with Sony - at least not in a traditional 'console vs console' way. I think MS will be more like 'windows' was when they started putting that on to mobiles and tablets - it was no longer 'just' a PC OS. MS appears to be doing the same now with 'Xbox' by putting Xbox on PC, Mobile/tablets and Consoles as the 'Gaming' part of their MS Windows OS devices. In other words, if you want to play Xbox, as long as you have a Windows 10 powered device, whether that's built by MS (such as a 'console' or their Surface line of PC/Tablets) or built by 3rd Party but still powered by MS Windows 10, as long as you have a MS profile (the same thing as your Xbox Profile/Gamertag) you can play your Xbox on any device. In other words, its not 'just' defined by the plastic box with Xbox branded Console - its everywhere that Windows 10 is. On PC, its a 'virtual' console but with 'your own' spec, the Console format is a fixed spec as will be the phones and tablets too but the point is, Xbox' is no longer 'just' the console but its EVERY Windows 10 device. The easiest way to think of it is like Windows which was once just for Desktops but is now on Tablets, 'Console', etc. Windows isn't just the PC anymore and Xbox isn't 'just' the console.
I know that some will find it difficult to separate the 'console' from other devices but its like Sony putting Playstation on ALL their Products and linking everything under just one Gamertag, one profile. You can buy a PS5 for example or just sign into your PS account and play on your Sony TV, play on the go with your Sony Phone and if they had Vaio still and powered everything (inc TV, Phones, consoles) with their own OS, you could play ANY of your Sony games on any of these devices without needing to buy the console format. Vaio (for example) could be the user defined Spec (like the PC is for Xbox), Console being the 'next' but fixed spec device with tablets/laptops and Phones being lower spec but still able to play any of your PS digital library without having to buy again - your progress/saves are in the cloud so you can play Uncharted on your phone or tablet whilst on the bus, get home and continue playing on you Vaio desktop or Console - that's what MS seem to be doing now with 'Xbox'. In other words Xbox isn't a separate entity locked to the 'console' format but a much larger thing that the console is just one part of.
Perfectly adequate play from Sony and Mr.Cerny in my opinion.
Having him on the that State Of Play would have been nonsensical considering he could not show anything directly and would have just looked ill judged in my opinion.
Doing it via an article that relates to a behind closed doors reveal of sorts, including the demonstration: First gives some sort of proof of several ideas and concept to the article writers and secondly: spurs on positive responses.
By doing it this way, they have left some room for maneouvre too, in terms of hardware, if say a company ups the specs ante so to speak.
And fundamentally, it lets them message their more enthusiastic fans / userbase by letting them know all is currently "in-hand", with the expected backwards compatability reassuring those with a large investment in the relatively small PSN eco system.
Its going to be interesting to see where this all goes, with MS adjusting their XBox course to cover a larger variety of devices away from the console itself, and of course the new players on the block in terms of stadia etc.>
Exciting times ahead and i look forward to seeing the direction Sony and the rest take in the next year or so.
Aye a stroke of genius! Imagine for the past 12 months it's a boxing fight bewteen the consoles. Round 1 Xbox unleashes the most powerful console - jab. Round 2 switches begin to fly of the shelves - uppercut. Round 3- 9 body blows, left jab, right jab... Sony is still standing, bleeding, sweating. Then Round 10 knockout! To the announcement of PS5! SSD jab, raytracing uppercut, B/C with PS4 and PSVR - it's a flurry of hits to the guts, still uses physical media - woohoo crowd roars! The whole media is talking about that final hit!!
This has basically everything you can want,
PSVR support, probable new version
PS4 backwards compatibility
Powerful CPU in a Ryzen Z2 variant, 8 cores and likely hyperthreading meaning higher framerate and new ways to expand games
Variant of the upcoming Navi GPU aimed at higher pixel counts
Ray Tracing
1tb SSD allegedly more bandwidth then anything on the market, making loading virtually non existent
Finally all of SONY's great first party content
Sign me up
Smart play to get out in front of MS with the reveal again. This now puts the ball in the Xbox division's court. From this interview it seems Sony is going to give everything I wanted in PS5, mainly backwards compatibility with PS4 and the option for physical media. I expect MS will have the power advantage next-gen, I don't think it's going to be beat in that category again, but pricing and exclusive games are going to be bigger factors for me and given how each of the three previous gens have played out, I expect Sony will have the advantage in software.
Pressure is on MS now to make a really good first impression when it reveals its next-gen Xbox, whenever that happens (could possibly be before E3).
I don't think it was the stroke of genius kind of reveal. I would say it was more the modest one and from the marketing point of view they could have easly done better.
As about the gimmick buzzwords like '3D Audio' - is it even possible on the current standard of consumer TVs, headphones, speakers etc.?? I don't think so. It's like with 8K - nobody has the necessary hardware (and won't have for a long time), so it will be completely meaningless for more than 95% of consumers.
@get2sammyb-Whilst I can't help but wonder if the decision to "quietly" mic-drop the PS5/"Next Gen" machine might've been a little payback at the larger/mainstream Games Press that have been a tad hostile/critical of Sony (rightly or wrongly-crossplay, exclusives on dlc, no store refunds...we could talk 'til ps6 on those things!), in the past couple of years vs Xbone's services being "pro gamer".
In a perfect world, I'd would've wished for the PS1-PS3 b/c too. If only for the likes of stuff like RDR 1/Nightmare, ps3 Monkey Island collection, Sam & Max, Scott pilgrim ps plus, PS2/3 Gta Vice City stories, ps 2 gta Vice City & Stories, San Andreas etc without the gimped soundtracks of the Ps4 version & Capcom Arcade ps2 collection to name a few!
But full access to my ps4 library is a huge selling point all the same.
Obviously still a lot of questions about the SSD system & will we still have expansion HDD options for what'll be big installs & what it'll all cost. I think the cpu upgrade will have a bigger impact in terms of what full-blooded next gen games will manage too.
I just hope Sony do see a return to the likes of an Adam Boyes like social media machine & a team/manager that places bigger emphasis on Indie games again like they did early in the ps4's life.
As much as I love the Sony first party titles, the quality they have achieved has been due to taking their time on them.
Like Indies or hate 'em, Ninty is undoubtedly making a killing from the estore sales & I've noticed a trend wherein some indies are going/launching exclusively on Switch with the ps4 now being the afterthought months later....
With a new gen audience hungry for Games between AAA stuff, indies will have their part in the ecosystem.
Didn't mean to crap on this long!! Still, its an encouraging start. The selling points are strong & make you want to upgrade, & Sony have clearly stolen some of the E3 wind out of Microsoft.
@deepspace5d Yes, but such a light announcement will take away from the proper announcement, since we already know so much about it. When they are mentioned again, they won't be made a big deal.
@Sinton People who spend a lot of time on gaming websites and have a lot of hardcore gamer friends seem to live in a bubble. Even though it has been reported by several media (yes, including CNN and BBC), the general public and the casual gamers aren't even talking about it.
@naruball “yes but such a light announcement will take away from the proper announcement”
That is speculation and remains to be seen when the console is actually unveiled.
If Sony really wants to impress me, make it so the PS5 doesn’t sound like a fighter jet taking off when under a heavy processor load. Xbone and PS4 get so darn loud sometimes.
@naruball Whats Yahoo. 😜
I really have my doubts about getting the PS5. I mostly play Japanese games, and seeing as Sony thinks censoring them makes total sense, I might just start getting all those games on Switch.
The backwards compatibility and the SSD have me extremely excited.
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