Rumour: PS5's Graphics Processor Is a Beast

My PS4 fan sounds like it is going to lift off.

I would love a silent games console my laptop is silent.

Sounds awesome, but it's a fine line to tread. Exclusive titles aside, many people opt for consoles because the entry price of gaming on PC can be quite high.

They've already taken some steps to mitigate potential backlash when they said that PS5 will be affordable "for what it can do"... but that could still be too high for some people. Get it wrong and they may well sacrifice the lead (and goodwill) they've earned with the PS4.

I'm expecting anything up to £500, and I'd probably be happy to pay it. More than that, and I'm really not so sure.

When I get my Ps5, I'll get a 4K tv as well, so the jump from Ps4 will be quite significant

Looking at the current price of the Pro I don't see how this could be sold for any less than £500, which would still be great value for whay you're getting.

I think a lot of misinformation about it I posted a link in forum and the video is very good breaking down the leak.
I honestly dont know sht about hardware but it's just common sense. Only the clock speed is leaked with interesting bc info.

Here's the video
https://youtu.be/D0Sr0EH2X54

After 5:

I still think Sony is going to sell the console at a loss to keep the overall price down.

And yet I guarantee I'll be using it to play Sonic Mania 2 like a sap.

@Number09 I agree. My day 1 PS4 has sounded like a jet engine from across the room for years now.

the ps5 is like the pittsburgh Steelers .a monster .oh yeah like I said before.the ps5 will be 14 teraflops.word up son

Let's hope so. Also hoping that the Ghost of Tsushima rumour is true, as I'd love to play that in the highest quality possible.

Sold at a loss per usual. Software and subs pick up the slack. $499.99 at launch is my guess. Even though $399.99 is the obvious sweet spot

I recently started playing GAMEBOY games again. So... this is of little concern to me. I'd rather know, if the gaming industry will come out of its creative slump, what the future of free-to-play titles will be, what great indies there are coming and so on. The LEAST I'm excited for better graphics to be honest.

Everyone is upgrading their engines for RayTracing. So pack as much power as possible. Games like CONTROL look amazing.

My launch PS4 has been a great bang for the buck last 6 years. Sure PS5 will be worth the price in the long run also.

You pay for the assurance that you get every big Western AAA game, worthwhile Indie or Japanese game with PlayStation. No wondering, begging, waiting.

No doubt rumours are only going to increase until we have the definitive answers from Sony themselves. I can see that if the next gen hardware talks about 'terraflops', I can see some being perhaps a bit disappointed - at least until DF or others do breakdowns. With the 'XB1X' having 6TF and the Pro having 4.2TF, a 12TF (for example) PS5 could make people think its only 2x the X or just under 3x the Pro. After going from ~280GF to 1.8TF (around a 7x jump) as well as the 16x jump in RAM, A 2x to 3x jump on the Pro/X could be seen as more an iterative jump like those consoles were. The X is over 4x jump on the XB1s for example.

A 12TF PS5 (if that's what we got), may only seem to be 2x the power of the X or 3x the Pro but its also around a 7x jump on the Base PS4 - the 'generation' the PS5 is ultimately replacing. Another MAJOR aspect is that the 'new' architecture of modern GPU's are a lot more efficient and as such, 1TF of the new is much more capable than 1TF was back in 2013. As such, the PS5 could be say 50% better per TF - essentially being more like 18TF's would be if they used the same GPU architecture.

If you are used to being limited by the current consoles - not just the GPU but also the 'weak' CPU and RAM, its very easy to see why the next generation console(s) would be considered a Beast. The 2070/80's weren't too much of jump up from the 1070/80's, but these also have a dedicated Ray Tracing component. The X, for example, often manages to match the 1070 - sometimes better bit with the caveat that it has more time due to lower frame rates.

A 30fps game gives the GPU effectively double the time to render the frame than a 60fps game. The Pro, which is weaker, still manages to render native 4k/60 on Fifa 17 - admittedly that is not all that visually intensive but its easy to see how a PS5 could offer 8k/60 (4x the resolution ) or 4k/120 (double the frame rate) with Fifa 21. With temporal rendering, 8k could be offered - CB rendered or native 4k in some games.

This generation, we have seen a LOT of techniques being introduced and increasingly used to make a game look visually higher resolution than it actually is running at and/or limit the impact of changing image quality (dynamic resolution). In the PC sector, there is selective rendering quality - in other words, some parts of the image are rendered at lower resolution to reduce the workload on the GPU. In a fast action shooter, you are not focussed on the whole image and as such, certain areas can be rendered lower quality to save on resources - especially during the most busy times.

All of this, as well as the fact that consoles tend to punch above their specs relative to the PC - mainly because they are streamlined more for gaming and better optimised by Devs thanks to the static hardware, its easy to see why they consider the next gen hardware to be more than just a step up.

Playstation 5 is a (blood starved) beast confirmed

Is that the super or standard version of those cards? That's very impressive if true and basically means it's the top version of the latest AMD cards with presumably a little bit extra as they aren't capable of ray tracing. My question is how expensive is this going to be or will they sell it at a big loss knowing they'll make the money back through the Playstation storefront?

@glassmusic They are, but it's more about it being capable of 8K. Based on what we know, 4K is the standard next-gen consoles are aiming for, which is a leap in itself really.

@kyleforrester87 😂 I've played Skyrim on both Ps3 and Ps4, so I'll definitely have to check it out on a Ps5 as well lol. Since TES VI is still years away 🤷

Knack 3 is gonna look amazing.

How much money do they make off PS plus each year? Might be worth it to them to sell a monster console at a loss...

Would be kind of funny to see something xbox started give their competition an edge like that...

Either way... If it's under $600 i will buy it day one

@BAMozzy I imagine we won't be hearing as much about terraflops this upcoming gen since their importance isn't as high, much like how clock speeds weren't hyped for the current gen since they were actually lower than the gen before, or how the amount of bits in a console stopped mattering after the N64.

I’m expecting the PS5 to reclaim the “most powerful console in the world” title from the XB1X (obviously) but also keep it even when Project Scarlett releases. From what I’ve read from an article when Phil Spencer give an interview, it seems with Project Scarlett they are going to focus mainly on frame rate and load times so you can jump into a game in no time but he also says it’s going to be 4x more powerful than the XB1X.

Until we know the full specs from both consoles, probably some time middle of next year, we can only speculate and put up with rumours but my bet is PS5 will be slightly more powerful but Project Scarlett able to run games better and quicker. I will just be happy if we don’t have to choose either 4K or 60FPS, hopefully we can have games running both this time.

I think Sony learned this generation that there’s more value in their ecosystem than the hardware. I wouldn’t think they’d want to run people off to another ecosystem, because once you’re invested with a digital library, you’re kind of stuck.

The question is how much of a loss will it be sold for?

It's like the PS3 situation where say, it's £450, but to make a unit costs £800, that means for every PS5 they sell, they need to make up £350 somewhere, per user.

If the user signs up for PS+ for a year, dope. But what would PS+ games be on PS5 early on? PS4 games right? But the odds the user already has a PS4...will be exceptionally high. So PS+ for the first year or so becomes just an online check. But thats still only £60. Loads of licensing fees could help. First party game sales. But its a large gap to try and cover on a hope.

The higher your price, the less people will buy, but the lower your price compared to cost, the more you need to make up from elsewhere.

@MaccaMUFC
I think the same. Notice how Scarlet reveal video insisted on processing power (4×more than the x) then Phil talked about co engineered cpu a few times.
Then Lisa from AMD insisted on the same thing while for playstation she mentioned working for the last few years on the SoC collaboratively with Sony and Cerny in particular.
I think more specialised cpu for xbox but PS may have the advantage on GPU side.
Maybe haha

@kyleforrester87 hahaha lol. I no more like cyberpunk and death stranding and ghosts of tsushima. Will all be epic on the ps5 never mind the 4. Each to there own though. But if the ps5 comes out just months after those titles that are due on 4 I'm just gonna wait until launch to get the best versions of all.

Nice! by what i can guess the next set of AMD GPU chips are going to be up there with nivida I think that's who are making the ps5 cpu/gpu

Anything over $499...is a death sentence..

@ArmyofOne Nope he definitely said a custom AMD processor that’s four times more powerful than the Xbox One X, I just re-checked the article.

It has been confirmed the unreleased PS5 is not as powerful a GPU as the 1 year old PC GPU (RTX 2080)... By the time PS5 is released (Nov 2020) the console will not be as powerful as the "already getting on a bit in the tech world" 2yr old RTX 2080 PC GPU. PC enthusiasts were capable of out performing the NOV2020 PS5 in SEP2018. The RTX 2080 is 1 GPU and PC's for a long time have been capable of having upto 4 GPU's in 1 PC. By 2020 it is expected the RTX 3000 series will be available for PC enthusiasts widening the gap further. But to be honest it's not about specs anymore any Nvidia Shield owner has known that since 2015 and soon to be Google Stadia owners with the future of gaming, cloud gaming that is specs don't matter no upgrades no downloads always updated just buy your game and play instantly max graphical settings all the time everytime forever. The Nvidia Shield TV is drastically cheaper at £175 and uses a small amount of electricity by cloud game streaming from GeforceNow servers from a dedicated PC that cost £7000 the GeforceNow PC's specs
CPU Intel Xeon 4core 8 thread
Ram 16GB
GPU 24GB Nvidia Tesla P40 (£6000 GPU)

That sounds good and all but how the will ps5's fan sound like? cuz ps4 sounds like a fighter jet and obviously its weaker than ps5...

Ahh Mr Wick when is John Wick 4 coming out ? You were lucky to survive 3 and a game would be amazing

Just to be clear the Shield TV cloud gaming service does NOT require you to own a pc at all, the only thing you'd need is the £175 Nvidia Shield TV. The £7000 GeforceNow PC's are owned by Nvidia somewhere the world and they store the games on there PC's. Nvidia update games themselves and upgrade hardware themselves and fix the PC's themselves. You just buy digital steam AAA+ games and play instantly

I guess I'll join the PC master race then.

This is bs. Sony talked about 60 fps 4k gameplay. Thats not happening for $800 or less. Also, neither Sony nor Microsoft sold thair consoles at a loss. They didn't make hundreds of dollars per sold console, but they certainly did not lose money. They made enough, and also required for their users to pay for "online" services. Them losing money for every sold console is a myth, as much as it is that those specifications will run at 4k 60fps for less then $800. If im wrong, i would actually be happy, but thats highly unlikely.

@Number09 Is yours an original PS4? My Pro is practically quiet.

Yeah I want a Tesla but I bought a Toyota Corolla Hybrid!

What matters is console price and games it has coming to it!

For me personally I want a 4K Blu-ray drive and better cooling. yeah, yeah it will have more power to carry for about 7 years, but so will Xbox.

@Stragen8 Never had that issue with mine until after a few years in. Now it sounds like a 747. My Pro is quite silent.

@InsertUsername Are you playing in 4K? my Pro can be way too loud at times. It's cleaned inside and out on a regular basis.

@Germs73 Already is at that price. They need to keep it the same price as the PS4 at launch, if they want to have the same outcome of this gen.

@JohnKarnes I play it at 4K if 60fps isn't available. From my experiences, never had that issue. Guess I'm just lucky it hasn't perhaps. I don't know. I have many friends who have a Pro and haven't had that problem. I did experience that issue with my standard PS4.

Can't wait to play Blazing Chrome in 4k 60fps! Really though it's always about the games. You can hit great frame rates have realistic textures and 58k resolutions but if your games suck it doesn't matter. Bring great games and I'll be there ready to use my PS4 pro as a trade in.

@Orpheus79V Actually bits still mattered till PS3. The pixelated 3D graphics were still a thing as late as the PS2 era even if it wasn't "as" noticeable.

It already getting some what clear. It is likely we will have a 7nm GPU based on the current 5700 XT. Sits between 2070 and 2080. Current cost is around £380. These have been designed with backwards compatibility in mind so are very likely next console design. Will improve and drop in price over the next year. Will have a 8 core zen 2 CPU clocked around 3.2, got to keep that heat down. Will likely have a neutral net and FPGA on die chip. Combined GDDR memory pool of 16 GB and a PCIe 4 accelerated SMALL SSD maybe around 128Gb that will handle dynamic storage and cache and a large harddrive or some sort. In 14 months this will be deliverable at around the £500 mark with little loss (nor profit) it may not match current top end PC specs but as soon as you add in those console low level APIs and code right down to the metal you end up with a true beast. It will be the neutral and FPGA that give the console it's long legs and these are the very parts we know nothing about yet.

@JohnKarnes my PS4 pro sounds like a jet engine so you are far from alone, in fact it is so loud I bought a One X for multi plats as it was no fun without headphones. I think it is mainly the early adopters who have the real loud ones.

I'm thinking they're going to take a loss but that the system is still going to cost around £750. And why not, people are willing to pay stupid money for phones. I know which I'd rather put more money into and it's the PS5.

@glassmusic Sony would be stupid to bother trying to do 8k. It'll be such a niche market. Since you can't currently buy a decent 8k TV for under £3000, and that price won't drop much for many many years. Add to that that 8k is not a graphical improvement for normal sized Tvs, its use is for oversized TVs ie. 80 inch TVs. Also there's really no 8k content anywhere to watch on them anyway so it really is a complete waste of Sony's time and adding unnecessary expense to 99% of PlayStation customers. It's not something aimed at the average user except for those dumb enough to think that 8k will mean a better picture on their 60 inch or smaller TV.

A couple years ago I was pretty sure that I would keep buying new Sony consoles since I'm such a fan of their exclusive games. But now, I'm not so sure. Games on consoles, at least here in Brazil, are more expensive and you only have one place to buy them digitally. Besides that, Sony doesn't care about their old consoles. They could easily offer more Vita and PS3 games on sale but they don't. Indie games on PC costs almost half the price Sony charges on PS4.
Anyway...

@Eldritch I see the 8K as output for movies to sell those sweet new Tv's. 😉

@TowaHerschel7 It was no longer a selling point used in marketing though, because as you said, it was far less noticeable.

I'm not too concerned. Yes i think this will cost more than PS4 but i also think sony have learnt their lesson from PS3

Bearing in mind we still have 16 months approx until launch (which will bring down the cost), and the fact Sony will be buying components in bulk (which will bring down the cost), id be surprised if it were more than 499

I do expect Sony to sell at a loss again. They traditionally do, but they will make up for it through stuff like ps plus subscriptions etc

If neither of the next-gen consoles output 8K then for me there’s going to be no reason to get an 8K tv. It will probably be a blessing in disguise since it will mostly likely be at silly prices for at least a few years.

I think we will see a mid-gen upgrade like we saw with the Pro/X and I reckon we will get 8K output on those upgraded consoles.

@Number09
My launch PS4 is loud. My Pro is silent.

You could try opening it up if you are confident and apply some new arctic silver 5 thermal paste. Don't forget to clean the old off first though. Should help with heat dissipation, the fan won't need as much effort then.

I've got a good feeling about the PS5 and what could be around the corner for Sony. When the thing is finally revealed, I think the announcement will be huge.

After seeing the miracle of Rdr2 on current "weak"generation I'm sure we'll see greatness on the base ps5 within the limit of 499$. Not more, I'm sure of this.
As for 60fps, I've solved this years ago with the True Motion(or similar) on the TVs, so I'm only concerned mostly for great graphics.

@Stragen8 It's when i'm online downloading and playing a game at the same time it gets loud.

@InsertUsername yes it's an original I did not realise Pro's were quieter than the original otherwise I would of got 1 i'll make do for now and buy a P.S.5 the main selling point for me is it plays ps4 games.

@GADG3Tx87 Good advice Thank you.

@Eldritch if Sony sell the P.S.5 for £750 then I would buy a Gaming Laptop instead for that price.

Ray Tracing: making dark stuff brighter.

My pricing guess is $500. A bit too high for me, but when I bought my ps4 a year after launch it was a $100 cheaper during black Friday. I expect the same this time around.

Since it's AMD won't it be a slightly better 5700X Navi GPU ??

As a long time PlayStation fan (1,2,3, 4 & pro) and a recent convert to Microsoft (XBoneX), I have to say that Microsoft offers better subscription services than Sony (Game pass ultimate is a couple of levels above PSPlus with regards to value for money and quality of games as well as a better value EA Access subscription). The X Box one X is quieter albeit a more powerful console than the PS4 Pro which has helped Microsoft gain a bit of ground before the next round of console wars. Being fair even though the Xbox one X is more powerful than the PS4 Pro it is almost silent whereas the pro sounds on times like a Jumbo jet on takeoff hence my dabble into the Microsoft world after having enough of a virtual Heathrow airport in my Living room. With a bit of tweaking to the PS Plus Subscription (making it better value for money and giving greater empathise to local installation where available) Sony could take back a bit of ground that Microsoft has made since the release of Xbox One X and Game Pass Ultimate, but saying that Sony has lost the backwards compatibility war on this generation and would find it near impossible to gain back any ground that Microsoft has made before the release of the Next Gen consoles. Moving forward on the last stage of this console generation it would be beneficial for Sony to get UbiSoft on-board by offering Uplay+ as this looks like it WILL become a Juggernaut of a game subscription service with an impressive catalogue offering of 100+ games including the upcoming Ghost Recon Breakpoint and Watch Dogs Legions etc. With regards to the next generation console war, to keep ahead of the game (without stating the obvious), Sony needs to make the PS5 as quiet as possible with on par performance if not better than the Xbox Anaconda as well as better Value/Quality game subscription Services. Sony also needs to continue developing the PSVR2 which to be frank the PSVR has been highly influential when it comes to keeping me on board with Sony on this current console generation. To round it all up the PS4 Pro and X Box One X are great gaming platforms and I'm grateful for being lucky enough to be in a position where I have the best of both worlds when it comes to console gaming. If possible I intend to own both the Sony and Microsoft next gen consoles with a little help from my flexible friends of course

Hmm. Ok, ofcourse i'll buy a ps5 eventually, but somehow with all the streaming stuff coming up, it also feels as a thing of the past, even before it has been released. A bit like buying a super powerful Diesel anno 2019...

If it's more than $600 I'm going to sit it out til the middle of the generation. Unlike previous console releases I can afford to swing $600 at launch to be a part of the hype train but even $700 is pushing a the line too far for me in principle.

"...somewhere between two of GeForce's latest graphical offerings: the RTX 2070 and the RTX 2080"

Author makes it sound like it is an NVIDIA graphics solution. It will be an AMD graphics solution probably a slightly modified NAVI--Ryzen 2 APU. It may use less electrical power, which, if true, should make it quieter as well.
This is not all speculation. We know AMD will make the chip/chips. That was already relieved. Not a shock as they make the chips that power most of the consoles. The Nintendo Switch is the main one they don't power. They power just about everything else. The Nintendo Switch needed low power for cordless operation...so they used smartphone derived chips.

And if you are thinking Ray Tracing...there won't be any. AMD has no Ray Tracing, and may not for a while. Not that Ray tracing is the end all be all. Path tracing is the real deal. Don't know who will field that when and if that is ready in the near future. Ray tracing in NVIDIA is also quite limited...not nearly a full implementation. There is certainly room to one up them. It just is not likely to happen in the next 6 months or anything. I would guess it is at least 18 months away.
I have AMD stock. But I try to be objective.

Hey, I'm a gamer in my 40's. Power aside, I need to know if this thing will double up as a cheese toastie maker. Its essential!

Hopefully they really workout some of the kinks from PS4. Both hardware and software side of things. Most I will pay for a new console is about 500, no more. PS3 I waited a year before a price drop if I remember right.

I’m an old gamer, to me the PS4 has had tons of use for me over the last few years.

PS5 could be £800, I’d still buy one on release day

@Amusei Same here. Got my Monzo saving account all set up

@Number09
Which is probably why it won't cost that much. Last thing Sony will do is price the PS5 out of the market.

@chris730920 Never experienced the noise issue with my PS4. I've never understood the noise complaints.

@chris730920
Reading your comment with Bruce Spingsteen singing 'War' in my mind 😝
I think if people love subscription$ they definitely need to go with xbox even pre order now haha

And NO, I dont think PlayStation need to take 'back' any ground. 😋

@nathanSF same. Only sone noise when I switch it on and when starting a game from disc.
I think people complain about the Pro though

I can hear the noise from the PS5's cooling fans just from reading this

not sure sony or microsoft want to go back to the days of selling the consoles at a considerable loss. both gaming divisions ran at a loss of $billions for years during the PS3/xbox360 era.

a GTX2080 runs around 9-10 Tflops.. so whatever the capabilities of the new PS5 AMD GPU are, it needs to be paired with a much superior CPU to the PS4. i read a rumour somewhere, that it would likely be a 3.2GHz 8-core CPU - so it could run half-rate to produce the same clock speed as the PS4, for backwards compatibility.

@leucocyte
You should watch RGT video I posted earlier.
It's exactly what you said for cpu and it was reported long ago by DF with the Gonzalo leak.
What's new here is Komachi told him backward compatibility would work by using a limited number of CU and same clock speed. Like using 18 cu 800 for ps4 bc but strangely using 40 cu 911 for pro bc. Dont know if there misunderstanding on translation maybe ?

@nathanSF I agree for 750 quid you could get a decent gaming P.C. and a good gaming laptop which can emulate all consoles.

@BowTiesAreCool mee too.

Looking forward to a PS5 official announcement later this year. Can't wait for official specs. My day-one OG PS4 only spins up on certain games like No Man's Sky and Inquisitor. Both my Pro's are also silent except for a few games when they sound like they are going to lift off!

@Nyne11Tyme ps3 and xboxone both failed were priced @500dolllars

@Number09 - you've got no chance of getting a laptop with the alleged capabilities of the PS5 for £750. currently, the very best you'll find at that price is something with a GTX 1060 (if you're lucky). it's a very capable card for 1080p, but not 4K. typically around that price you're more likely to find a GTX1050 - which won't even give PS4pro levels of performance.

@kyleforrester87 What about them? I saw them but they didn't peak my interest. At the moment I'm enthralled by BATMAN (1989) and Castlevania Legends on the Gameboy!

It really IS funny, everyone seems to be waiting for good games coming out when there are thousands of good games already available! So I started to decide working on my backlog, from 1987!

@kyleforrester87 No no no no, not at all. I just see a sharp decline in creativity in triple-A-huge-blockbusters. Especially all "non-Nintendo" companies. The indiescene is RIPE with good ideas and that kinda was the point of my argument, no matter how good the graphics, the IDEA makes a good game!

@Amusei Oh, you're in for a real treat!