It’s always a pleasure to hear from system architect Mark Cerny, but yesterday’s PlayStation 5 deep dive was a mistake. I’ve already illustrated why it was misjudged in my reaction piece, but effectively I felt like Sony had the eyes and attention of its most rabid fanbase, and then proceeded to bore them all to tears. That’s not to say that technical information is dull, but it isn’t what the majority of console owners care about.
There’s no question that the PS5 is an insanely capable machine, and as Cerny’s presentation continues to be dissected, the advantages it’ll bring are becoming increasingly obvious. Many professionals within the industry are singing the SSD’s praises, suggesting that this is about more than mere loading times – it will fundamentally change game design. I think the bet on 3D audio is also bold – sound is such an immersive element, but it often gets overlooked.
I’m just disappointed with the way Sony decided to present this information for the first time. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the manufacturer uploading a GDC speech, but it shouldn’t have been fans’ first impression. I think a shorter, simpler presentation with Cerny’s core design tenets and real-world examples would have been much more powerful than the 52-minute lecture we ended up with. And it would have been relatively easy to produce.
For example, the Japanese giant’s already shown in secret how the SSD can improve load times and the speed of traversal in Marvel’s Spider-Man – repurposing a demonstration like this would have much better communicated how the PS5 will improve next-gen game design. It could have also demonstrated the advantages of 3D audio with a side-by-side comparison of some sound effects for people to listen to.
All of this could have been packaged up as part of a short trailer. I understand the organisation isn’t ready to announce any next-gen games yet, but a short snippet of something in the works would have maintained fans’ interest until it’s ready to reveal more. It then could have followed this initial unveiling with Cerny’s deep dive, enabling those gagging for more information to digest it if they wanted to.
Sony may have been clear about what yesterday’s presentation was going to be, but it’s clear that its audience of 600k came away confused. It’s simply got to do a better job of communicating with its audience than it currently is; this was a dismal debut for the PS5, and it could have so easily been better than what we got. I’m happy with the hardware and what it’s going to bring, but I shouldn’t have had to spend the entirety of my evening trying to digest what Cerny said.
Do you agree that PS5's deep dive could have been handled in a more accessible manner? What are your thoughts on the console now that the dust has settled down? Come up with a better strategy in the comments section below.
Comments 52
I'm available to consult, if Sony ever needs me.
Totally agree, brilliant (expected) specs, boring as hell to watch.
Roll on the reveal...
This deep dive was always going to be disappointing. Sony would have to have proven every rumor tie for this to go over well. Once we start getting into more of the exclusive content, things are going to Star looking better, but it might have been for the best to get this out of the way first.
They should have just did a 3 min teaser video at the end. Or announce when they’re actually gonna give a consumer presentation.
@JoeBlogs The Wired article was very easy to understand and summarise.
In light of the XBSX reveal & its simple marketing message,I agree this has been poorly communicated thus far.
On one hand, we’re told we can (after logging in on our psn account obv. like we can on any ps4),plug our external ps4 HDD into the ps5 & play games from it via usb or optionally install it on the SSD?
But despite there being a hardware based “legacy mode” feature that runs games in ps4/pro mode at this stage only a small portion of the 4000 games they say are available have been tested as working? Will others need a future ps5 firmware update,or a patch via their devs/publisher?
And sadly no ps1-ps3 titles either. :-/ (Always a long shot,but was hopeful).
But at the very least,XBSX messaging was clear-Xbone games (& their Virtual console/emulated legacy games), work straight off,possibly with enhancements. So far we just don't know enough about b/c on ps5.
Yes,we do know Sony first parties will likely show off stuff not possible on ps4,(compared to XBSX plans of no exclusives at launch), but the communication about the ps5 so far appears a bit tone deaf to the concerns of ps 4 owners after what's been unveiled by both sides this week.
"The road to PS5" started with the system architecture. How is anybody not seeing this?.
Digital Foundry does a pretty nice breakdown of the PS5 specs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4higSVRZlkA
yeah it was not a good "show" but i'm still happy with the specs.
Totally agree, who knows what the hell they were thinking showing that presentation (And I know it was more for developers but it was the first PS5 news for everyone) they should've called it Playstation 5: Disappointment loads faster!!!!
@JoeBlogs
the question is when, at release, in 1 year, 2 year, 5 years?
I recorded the audio to listen to when i need a sleep aid.
Honestly had a really great time watching it. Cerny’s a suspiciously good speaker (multiple takes?) and he used great analogies. Granted, I listen to this sorta stuff on a regular basis but it was really interesting.
I completely disagree. Confirming to the ignorance of the masses should never be suggested or accepted. Sony never said it was a reveal only a deep dive into the architecture, And people still expected something different. Now, if their goal was to create hype, then of course the mentally slower audience won't get hype from that. but It seems their goal was to get the technical information out, and I liked and enjoyed what I saw. I personally learned some things. I guess learning taste bad to some people.
Hopefully we'll get a full reveal sooner rather than later, with what the PS5 actually can do, instead of what devs can do with it.
I just think Cerny is overestimating people s intelligence haha
I'm sure it's true too 😀
Should've put ''GDC Talk'' in brackets, other than that, it was fine.
It was fine. Anyone who cares about tech got tons of clear info. It was like a new GPU presentation. Loved that expandable storage is just a NVME bay and the new cooling system.
And more excited for 3D audio than Switch's 3D rumble that I turn off because embarrassing in a crowded flight/train (when I could actually travel for work).
I just wish they done a release date. But that is not realistic with the mess we in right now.
Agree, or at least say that this is gdc talk for developers, and not for consumer so don't expect price, games, and console design. In the end, sony want to hype their audience for ps5, and I don't think this is the best way.
Also I'm still confused about ps4 bc for ps5, is it there's 100 most played games ready at launch with additional games trickling down or all of ps4 games ready for launch, but they're still testing 100 most played games?
@Futureshark I seriously prefer this as sony first ps5 introduction to the masses 😂
Perhaps give Mr Cerny a top hat and tails, he could then sing and dance the presentation with a cane in the style of the golden age of Hollywood, ending a in a grand finale with a huge Can-Can chorus line as he mentions how fast the I/O is on the new SSD.
@get2sammyb I don’t think it needed to be shorter necessarily, but had a summary with examples to start it, and then make clear afterward they Cerny will “Release the Kraken” with technical details.
Starting to sound a lot like the rabid MS fans sounded after Xbox One's horrible debut event. 'It's all great stuff, the messaging is just bad.' Yeah, the messaging is bad, there's also no denying that PS5 is less powerful than Series X and can't cover up that Sony's handling of backwards compatibility is an absolute joke.
PS5's prerelease builldup has simply put sucked. Sony's marketing team seems to be scrambling,
During a once-in-a-lifetime crisis, millions are staying at home and excited for this announcement and they do this.
LOL
@DrJames You think people stay home for this info. 😆 😂🤣🤣🤣
@Flaming_Kaiser what??? people are staying home for other reasons
@WebHead
It's absolutely ridiculous. It's not surprising because this happens all the time, company has a great generation, the people running the show let it get to their heads and then they drop the ball on all sorts of stuff leading up to the next console. The only time I can remember a perfect transition was from PS1 to PS2.
I think one a major reason for the disdain is that there's been a distinct lack of consumer focused announcements lately. A developer focused technical presentation would have gone down better if there has also been some other recent announcements that got people excited.
Anyway, these issues will likely go away as soon as they start showcasing games for the new system.
Any guess as to when they will actually show the PS5 console design??
@Royalblues Sony is the company that normalized the idea of BC between console generations. PS2 was BC with PS1 games. PS3 was initially BC with both previous generations, in addition to supporting a Virtual Console-like service that allowed you to play older games. They majorly dropped the ball with the PS4 in this regard, and they're clearly still stumbling with PS5. Let's not act like this is some new thing for them. They've just seen that they can mostly ignore the issue and still dominate.
This could well be a fatal unforced error for Sony in the run up to launch. The narrative is already set online as the majority don’t have the knowledge of the technical side to understand how their SSD is a game changer. The fact that Sony’s first major showing to the public is a spec list that shows the Xbox is more powerful is enough to stick for this whole marketing push. Seems to me they’ll be on the back foot for the foreseeable future trying to market it in the current Twitter/Forum world we’re in, where teraflops are all that matters.
It’s also a worry how Sony are going to prove that 3rd party devs will actually dedicate resources to the PS5s SSD, and not have it be something we see taken advantage of by 1st party only. Both SSDs in the consoles are fast, and that’s all that’s going to matter to the majority of devs.
All I can say is good luck to them, this’ll be a narrative hard to shake.
@beavis64 Own ps1-4 & still have games digital & physical for them. Not a fan of XB first party live service,storyline lite,cosmetic mtx stuff vs playstation single player stuff. I'm just disappointed what was initially stated last year as a baked in feature for ps4 compatibility was so poorly explained yesterday compared to XBSX.
The road to PS5 didn't include the PS5. This confused a lot of people. I was thinking this surprise announcement was a answer to Microsoft showing the Xbox series X in full, 2 days earlier but no it wasn't. At least Mark Cerny showed the PS4 controller in February 2013 along with his spec's talk.
Do people not remember when Xbox one had a list of 100 games that were BC? They had a group of 350 i believe working of last gen games to make sure they worked.
There are 576 games made backward compatible out of 2084 that are released for Xbox 360.
There are currently 41 on this list out of 1000 released for the Xbox.
Anyone that wants 100% BC needs to just keep the console they were made for.
@JoeBlogs why not? Microsoft did so in the same week.
@DrJames I think us gamers think to much that people will stay home for something like that. No they wont the only reason i watched it was because of Corona. Im a massive Sony fanboy and i would not be staying home for something like that. Why would i can read all about it on every site around. 😆 👍
I haven't watched any of it, but imo it was boring and too technical, and they should've made it more consumer friendly.
@Royalblues Developers NEED an indepth spec talk, so they can make games for the consumer...theres no way to make a consumer friendly presentation, if the devs have not made content, or dont even know what they are dealing with.
This presentation was for GDC (Game Developers Conference). Why are people so stupid to expect anything other than developer focused info??
I like the presentation the product not so much was expecting another direction but good luck on the path Sony maybe someday will meet again
@Gamer83 Nothing got to Sony's head. This was a technical deep dive. There is nithing arrogant about that. They have also said they are planning several events throughout the year. There is reason why developers are praising the Ps5. Because the system has several revolitionary features. Anyone who thinks the series x is better obviously wasn't paying attention. And Sony has not botched anything yet. There will be a controller, form, and game reveal most likely within the next 2 months.
This feels like they have dived into a empty Swimming Pool Hopefully the next PS5 show they will 'show' everything it can do. Well going by most people's(the real PS Fans and not the ones pretending to be ones) they really 'NEED' to show the Amazing games and show how fast it can load all these games and show the UI etc etc. You know the things real Gamers just want to see. I can't wait anyway(hmm, I have said that to much to)
I did actually learn a lot from this (technical details I’ll never need to know if I’m honest!) but instead of a deep dive maybe we all wanted a fun splash around in the mud where we see some new games and examples of new tech. PR disaster in my opinion. I watched like 40 minutes of this then literally had to turn it off. Give a presentation aimed at developers TO developers. Not hype up the whole world then bore them to tears with a technical lecture. I will buy this console anyway but how cool would it have been for Sony to blow our minds first then do the technical jargon second.
I didn’t watch it straight away(was on at 3am & had work) but read negative comments before hand expecting the worst. When I did watch it last night, I found it interesting. Maybe I am more tech minded? I also really enjoyed digital foundry’s review of the presentation and hearing their thoughts as someone else posted a n another thread, will re-link https://youtu.be/4higSVRZlkA
I’m looking forward to seeing & gearing what it can do and am not worried in the slightest ✌️
@Royalblues The presentation was for developers, not gamers. It was obvious. I'm not one to call names, as that never really gets anywhere. However, what did fans really expect from it? They were told what this was going to be, so no one should really be upset. People have high expectations. That is not "excusing" them. That is calling it like it is. I'll reserve any judgement of Sony when we get an actual reveal. Also, it's the internet. People get called names all the time. My advice is, grow a thick skin. It won't be your last rodeo.
@Apple5 I'd rather have an actual reveal personally, but I didn't expect too much from it considering it was meant for developers. Even so, it was interesting and learned some things from it, and I like the idea that games will have faster loading times. I notice a lot of gamers focus too much on power. There's more to games than just that alone. It appears that Sony is going for balance from what I watched, and I'm all for that.
huh? this is a presentation for specs only and should have been shown at the 'game developers' conference, there's plenty of time to put out flashy trailers this summer
@Murray they already confirmed in the presentation if you watched it that the top 100 games (in terms of total hours play time) on PS4 have been tested for backwards compatibility on the PS5 and that almost allnof them 'work straight out of the box' as it were, some others that don't work will probably need some fiddling with, you can assume that probably 90% of games on PS4 will work on PS5 but all need to be tested, as of the time of the conference they have most of the top 100 already confirmed to be backwards compatible at launch, I should imagine that will increase by the end of the year when PS5 launches
@Enuo OR idiots could have actually used their head meat, put on their thinking cap, got out their handy dandy notebook and actually grasped what that was from Sony's own actual words......
Gee who would have thought that the GDC presentation would have been just what a GDC presentation is....Something designed to get DEVELOPERS excited for the hardware, and let them know what the hardware advantages are....
IF anything next time they just shouldn't do something like that, because people are too god damned stupid to know when something is presented for the public compared to when something is giving technical specs to developers who are going to be designing game for the platform...
@Royalblues If you choose to interpret something not aimed at you as failing to cater to you, and then say that something is a disaster, the problem is most certainly with you. A tech deep dive isn't for showing off games or even the console design. It isn't for drumming up consumer hype. It's for diving deep into the tech.
There's no arrogance on display. No PR disaster or even misstep. You got your hopes up on your own.
This thing literally starts off with Jim Ryan talking about how the GDC talk was cancelled, and he then introduces the console's architect. In what world was ANYONE expecting anything more than talk about how the PS5 works, particularly when the vid is titled "THE ROAD TO PS5?"
Seems like a lot of people just don't want to use their heads, and far too many of them happen to be those we gamers are supposed to count on for information. The deep dive was just fine; expectations for it were not.
Better clarity on the PS4 BC would have helped. And SHOW ANYTHING that wasn't a static presentation slide. They were my only gripes. Even the PS4 reveal had a small tech demo to demonstrate the big deal of offloading CPU tasks to the GPU, something that is still blowing us away this gen and will continue to do before next gen even gets here.
@Royalblues Did I say the word "stupid??" But for the record you DO sound stupid with that reply mate. Hold this "L."
Show Comments
Leave A Comment
Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment...