PS5 Fans Are Panicking Over Backwards Compatibility

They should compete with Xbox with b/c. Sony has 4 generations of games that have been locked into those generations. It would be amazing if most of Sonys library is available next gen.

@get2sammyb I know that, definitely an error in their part

Honestly not fussed if it is or isn't. I'm more than happy to invest in future PS5 games that are truly next gen. I have an X1 and have never played an old game, nor I intend to either. Same goes for the PlayStation and PS5. The only positive of having backwards compatibility is we might get rid of the dreadful remaster rubbish! Haha

@oldschool1987
I agree, it's a missed opportunity.
The problem isn't it can't be done, the problem that they don't want to do it. Whichever the reason may be

thats what PS NOW is for, i imagine, it will be pushed hard

The only BC I’m interested in is PS4 but wouldn’t care that much if it wasn’t.

I don’t buy new systems to play old game’s but I’d miss Rocket League, Umcharted 4 MP and TLoU MP.

If it does not just put thermal paste and thermal pads and a better fan inside the ps4 and keep it with the games. As with hanging on to just incase most games are backwards.
PS5 will rock looking forward to next week so much.

He didn't imply that ONLY 100 titles would be playable... he said that they've taken the top 100 played titles and are making them BC to start, then adding more titles later on.

That's what the 4000+ PS4 titles bit was about.

How are people STILL not getting that?

Are we still debating this? Jesus. It has already been clarified. At launch only 100 or so PS4 games will benefit of the power of the PS5, but the thousands of games available via BC at launch, won't. You'll need to install those on a normal external HDD. It's the exact same story as for the XSX.

While im all for backwards compatibility its not why I buy a new console.

@thefirst not arsed about playing DVDs, Blu-Rays and 4Ks. I have a player that is backwards compatible with all those. But PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games would be nice, nothing wrong with asking for it.

Xbox is backwards compatible with all their generations

'Fans are panicking'

Sounds like my PS4 in this warm weather.

BC is cool, and Microsoft is definitely doing great thing in that area. However for me personally it's not the end of the world. I can barely keep up with current gen releases I want to play, add another 2 or 3 generations and the problem grows exponentially. Ive resigned to the fact that I will never be able to play every single game I want to play as there just isn't enough time, and I'm OK with that. How MS is doing it is great for people that can/want to take advantage of it but as long as I get PS4 BC, that's more than enough for me.

I only care about backwards compatibility for the PS4 games I own physically/digitally. Hopefully they patch in performance boosts for PS4 games while they’re at it. The main thing I want PS5 to have is Smart Delivery. I’m most likely only going to be able to afford one console or the other this holiday season and I’m already set on a PS5 at launch, so yeah.... if they do that I’m down. Don’t really wanna have to pay for Cyberpunk 2077 again on PS5 if I decide to get it on PS4.

I don’t share your optimistic appraisal of the situation

Series X will have 1000's of Xbox, 360 and Xbox One games according to MS and most will be running better then ever and the best they have ever been. You buy a Series X you don't need an Xbox One, you buy a PS5 yeah you should hang on to that PS4. This and Gamepass is giving MS a massive advantage in key areas, personally if they price cheaper then Sony and have a better launch line up then Sony could be sweating.

Just remember Halo Infinite is a launch title, is on Gamepass Day 1 and i can bet every Series X buyer will have at least a months trial for Gamepass. In fact you can buy a Series X with no games and just the console and providing you have Gamepass you will most likely have most of the launch titles there to download.

I'm a PS guy but Sony needs a secret weapon, the SSD sounds amazing but come on only tech heads will really care about that stuff, most just want games and a reasonable priced console.

@get2sammyb it would, ironically, be so easy for them to, at least, toss a PS1 emulator in the box that validates authentic PS1 and PS2 disks (the way the PS3*used to do.)

*on some models.

They've confirmed that the APU has built in support for 'legacy' PS4 and PS4 Pro modes. Whether current gen titles get any benefit from using the extra grunt of PS5 varies on a case by case basis.

PS4 backwards compatibility is confirmed. Some games may need patching. Don't panic.

Assume that PS1, PS2 and PS3 compatibility isn't happening. It's expensive to implement and gives low ROI. If you want to play these on current or next gen hardware, that's what PS Now is for.

This is one of the big areas where Xbox is burying Sony. No contest. Sony's solution to backwards compatibility for the PS5 absolutely NEEDS to at bare minimum meet what Xbox is doing. This is only going to look worse and worse for them if they don't get with the program. The PS5 should have backwards compatibility for PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 games. If they don't have the tech for it, then they need to stop worrying about 8K and 3D audio and make that a priority.

I am not bothered about bc although I would like it as it would make things easier for me but I still have all my old systems so no bc isn't the end of the world.

For what it’s worth: I’m confident every PS4 game will run on the PS5 unless it needs some missing feature (we might know more with an actual release on what a missing feature might be.)

I actually take it for granted, if their BC for PS4 game’s is as selective as XBone’s 360 BC, I will be completely done with Sony.

Who is panicking? The Internet? Is there anything new here? Panicking is Internet’s second nature.

Frankly, I could care less about BC for (really) older generations (PS1, PS2, PS3). As long as it has BC for PS4 games, I’m good... I bet the actual percentage of those wanting to play those older PS1, PS2, and PS3 titles is really low… I would prefer if they put their resources into remaking (not remastering) some of them instead (aka Resident Evil, Shadow of Colossus, etc). Now, that’s something I can actually get behind.

Not paying $500 to play PS3 games. I trade back most of my games once finished anyway.

My PC can play years of my old Steam games - never play them.

SONY needs to focus on locking-in a steady supply of new games. That is what sold me a PS4, what I expect on PS5

@thefirst that is a very fanboy statement indeed. You realize most third party games are usually available for PS, XBox and PC, right? And that people usually don’t buy games for 60 bucks just to play them once and never again?

As long as ps5 BC with psvita and dreamcast I have no problem with this 😛

Edit: Yeah after reading it, I think that place is heavily skewed to the green team side, I don't recommend going there unless you're really like to be frustated by discussion there, so many bad faith argument on playstation side.

@Agramonte I hear you. Can’t tell you when I last yearned to play a PS1 or PS2 title. I was happy when I got to play Dark Cloud 2 again but if it were never available I wasn’t gonna gripe about it. BC is like a gym membership; you have it and it’s there but you’ll rarely ever use it.

So PS5 comes out and all of a sudden PS4 consoles everywhere just stop working? Sheesh.

Why cant people just wait for the reveal. Its next week for goodness sake. Everyone will soon know what PS5 can and cant do.

Yes all PS4 games should be compatible out of the box. And would it be nice to see Sony drop compatibility for PS1 to 3? Of course. And while we are at it, a umd and cartridge slot for PSP and PS Vita titles would be great.

But does it really matter if they are not there? Not really. I am buying a new console to experience new titles and i dont have enough time to play everything that is coming out as it is, let alone revisit older titles.

Jeez, all the bs rumour mongering and panic around this console launch has killed my hype for the new hardware way more than Sony's lack of communication. The sooner they get all the information out there the better.

It is really that big of a deal? I visit a handful of my absolute favorites but that's it. I honestly wouldnt care if none were. I want a ps5 to play ps5 games. Anything extra is a bonus imo. I dont hear anyone talking about how non of their wii u purchases moved on to switch. DK Tropical Freeze, MK8...a ton of games were ported at full price. Games are selling like hotcakes

'gets its messaging right this time.'
Or
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The press may do a better job reporting the facts.
Cerny was clear enough.
I'm sorry but you are the ones confusing people

@Nyne11Tyme Absolutely right. And of course they didnt. Nintendo always seem to get a free pass on this kind of stuff for some reason. Pretty sure almost the whole Wii U library has been ported now.

I don't see why PS5 wouldn't play PS4 games out-of-the-box.

I'm not super interested in BC, but the problem is MS is doing a great work in that area, so it will make Sony look inept, lazy or anti-consumer in case that this rumor is true.

@WallyWest Highly doubt Sony is worried one bit. Only thing that matters to most gamers, is the games. Sony has a strong 1st party output, and third party is quite adequate on top of that. Not sure why everyone acts like it's the end of Sony, or Sony should be shaking in fear. Lol.

Anyone looking for a next gen experience shouldn’t be bothered by backwards compatibility. If looking for a true backwards compatible game play an old console! Why would I buy a next gen console for games with inferior graphics??
I have a Xbox one X (which I’m not upgrading) and a PS4 pro (I’ll be upgrading to PS5). The only thing PlayStation players should be asking is if the fans in the console is going to turn my living room into a bloody airport takeoff soundtrack.

@EquiinoxGII Remasters are far from dreadful they bring new life to old loved titles. I still own all past PlayStation consoles and my games for them. Yet I still purchased several remastered games on PS4 that I own.

I gave up on BC and bought a mid-spec PC for $400.

i5 3.6Ghz 16GB ram, Geforce 1030, SSD drive w/Win10.

Works like a charm for PS1, PS2, DC, PSP, and all things Nintendo...

I have all the original hardware & large software collection, but this is nice.

PS1 and PS2 can be played off the disc at HD or better.

@RBMango It could be because the average gamer who buys a new console, isn't buying it for B/C. Only one's who really care about that feature, are the diehards/hardcore. It's not going to hurt their bottom line. Sure, it'd be nice if they did b/c all the way to PS1, but it's not necessary. They may very well absorb PS Now and PS Plus into one price. I wouldn't be surprised if they add a ton of PS1 and PS2 games to the service over time.

@AdamNovice Yep. I sure don't. I want new games, and I'm sure the majority will have the same sentiments. B/C is just an added bonus, and not a requirement. If you want to play your older games so bad, just hold on to your old hardware. Still have my ps3 and 360 hooked up.

@InsertUsername Except consoles don't last forever and people would prefer to not pay twice the original retail price for used legacy consoles, perhaps? Smdh.

@Tharsman So if you don't get what you want, you're done with Sony? Oh brother...Lol.

@avenovah I get that their Backwards compat is better but that doesn't really matter if all your games are playstation games. Its great that they're doing this as it forces Sony to up their games but I don't think it's as big of a drawing point for the general gamer.

@TowaHerschel7 If they can afford to buy an expensive console at launch, they can certainly afford to buy a legacy console that doesn't even remotely cost the same amount. Poor excuse from where I sit. Smdh indeed.

@InsertUsername Another thing worth mentioning is that some things, for example PS3 controllers are actually completely impossible to find, even in used condition.

There's literally nothing to freak out about. Sony has developed the PS5 from the ground up knowing full well they wanted backwards compatibility the the PS4. Mark Cerny specifically said that the 100 most popular games would be playable at launch, what wasn't said was that almost all PS4 games will be supportes because the PS5 architecture was designed by Sony & AMD together, the BOTH have said they designed it in a way that the PS5 will be able to play PS4 games simply because the architecture allows it. The only issue is for games that aren't optimized for PS4 pro as they may have issues with the faster CPU, even so Cerny told everyone that after an update most of the PS4 catalog would be available for PS5! I have faith Sony know exactly what they're doing. They're not going to let Microsoft steal their thunder! Happy gaming!

@TowaHerschel7 Plenty of PS2 $50 and PS3 $80 on Ebay.

I've got about a grands worth of PS4 games in today's money in my digital library. Sorry but if they don't play I will be annoyed and hold off for longer than I would otherwise as I mop my backlog up.

@themcnoisy So because you made a bad financial decision by buying to many games and not finishing them, that is Sony fault?. When you buy a PS5 you're PS4 doesn't vanish into thin air you know. Its ok to keep it.

@InsertUsername "So if you don't get what you want, you're done with Sony? Oh brother...Lol."

Talk about trolling. I said: if the device does not have PS4 BC, im done.

Why? Because obviously Sony does not respect my investment in their platform. I have hundreds of PS4 games, and that's just the disk versions, and most of them niche titles. That said: I'm certain Sony will indeed have nearly complete PS4 BC.

What i WANT is for them to have BC with PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4, hell, also with Vita and PSP digital titles. I just know i wont ever get that, and i wont stop buying PlayStation consoles. So no, i wont be done with Sony if I don't get what I want.

@thefirst "Yes but from a business standpoint, where do you draw the line? How many people actually want the PS5 to play PS1/PS2/PS3 games?"

That's a good point, and Sony has expressed in the past that they have data mined the use of BC (I guess in the PS3) and its a very underused feature.

Historically, Nintendo supports the previous console gen so long they dont change format.

-Wii U ran Wii games.
-Wii ran GC games.
-GameBoy Advance ran Gameboy Games.
-Nintendo DS ran GameBoy Advance games, but not GameBoy or GB Color games.

If possible, it tends to be critical not to tell consumers that a new gen is a complete end to the live of their current gen library. It helps players to stick around. It's argued heavily that both, Sony and MS made it too easy at the start of this gen to switch platforms, because both were complete resets.

Now, why would they support anything older than the prev gen? One good reason is good will. Maybe some might never actually use the feature, but a non-insignificant number of consumers will see it as the publisher placing value on the consumer purchase.

Microsoft's approach is nearly entirely software driven, so other than virtualization costs, they are not making their hardware more expensive to support older games.

So, bare minimum, Sony (and MS) both need to offer near full BC with PS4 and XBone. Anything beyond that is gravy, but it can go a long way to cement consumer loyalty.

BTW, buying old consoles is not the ideal solution. Over time, it becomes harder and harder to find older working hardware (try to find a working PS2 compatible PS3, for example.) It also becomes untenable to have tons of older consoles hooked up to a single TV.

I don't want to be pessimistic on just rumors and trickled info, but after hearing how much care Microsoft is putting into backwards compatibility, I'd hope Sony tries to either match or closely resemble their plan.

@thefirst You are aware Multiplatform games exist right? Take Mortal Kombat 9 or Arkham Origins, i can play them on Series X but i can't play them on PS5 and as a fan of both games that sucks. Stop thinking about 1st party games here and remember the bulk of PS and Xbox game library is Multiplatform games. Fact is most of them can be played on Series X looking better then ever.

This is where I think most people are confused:

If I put a PS4 disc (Ghosts of Tsushima, for example) in a PS5 will there be an update/option for it to be 100% identical in every way if that same game is released on a PS5 disc with, presumably, additional features like ray tracing, resolution, etc., that will not be accessible if put into a PS4?

@InsertUsername Except if all these big games we know are coming are years away then launch isn't exactly exciting, its looking very likely MS will undercut Sony and Gamepass is going to be a massive key thing Next Gen, in fact Gamepass could really close the gap between Sony and MS. MS are putting every single 1st party game on that day 1, they practically give Gamepass away all the time and they are convincing many Pubs/Devs to put their games on there Day 1. In theory you could buy a Series X with no games at launch and rarely need to buy games again providing you stay subbed to Gamepass, yes games get removed but they give plenty of warning beforehand and when there's 100's of games on there who cares if X game gets removed.

Sony can't start getting cocky again like they did with the PS3 launch as it cost them dearly, on sure they overtook 360 sales in the end but only just and it helped that MS gave up on 360 by near the of last gen because they were more focused on X1 something MS aren't repeating. Look i'm buying a PS5 hopefully at launch depending on price, they have my sale and i love my PS4 but lets me real MS from a consumer friendly view are better then Sony right now who are only in are good books because they do have those vital exclusives what Xbox One has lacked this Gen. Next Gen won't see the same gap between Sony and MS again, its going to be closer and a harder fight and frankly that excites me because in the end that's better for us.

Am I the only one that doesn't care at all about backward compatibility?

@Rob_230 yes it has. You know how long ago i wore out MK8? Lol and many others. Nintendo slapped 14 million Wii U owners right in the mouth.

@thefirst Yes. The original Xbox and 360 in particular have a large amount of quality exclusives, it's only really once we get to the later Kinect era of the 360 and the Xbox One where the appealing exclusive content starts to wear thin.

@Deadlyblack
>I'd hope Sony tries to either match or closely resemble their plan.
As today, It's like the whole Sony strategy towards PS5 will be to "Trying to catch or close resembling XSX"

Let's hope the 10TF PS5 can get close enough to 12TF XSX in performance
Let's hope PS5 implement something that match XSX Smarth Delivery
Let's hope BC on PS5 at least closely resemble XSX BC

They are given away to many things to MS just from the start. At some point 1º party games will be their only card. And MS is making progress in that area too.

I've given up on hoping the PS5 will be BC with PS3 games- I just want thorough PS4 compatibility (even without PS5 hardware enhancements). That would leave just my PS5 and PS3 connected to my TV which I'm fine with.

The cell processor on the PS3 was a wash and it's even a struggle for PC emulators to run sometimes. Most PS1 and PS2 games I can get digitally.

@avenovah Not exactly a big win in any sort of sense. This was basically their defining feature this gen, but even with 6 > 4 what did they have? Nothing changed for them, at least for the better. Sure they introduced the anti-consumer service Gamepass and fooled their fans into thinking it was a value, but those are the same people who already praise MS blindly. Their stance on power means little to nothing, especially when it comes to older games. Yes it's great to play an old favorite here and there, and occasionally one of those rare times you'll actually play through the entire thing, but most of the time you'll get to one area you remember you hated and cut it off for a few years to play something new, or you'll remember that one room where it always froze or the frames dipped incredibly low and see it's silky smooth, then sigh and cut it off anyway.

The point I'm trying to make here is that their two biggest features that meant anything did absolutely nothing for them, and because of their incredible failures this gen they've officially gone 3rd party. Meanwhile, PS4 was the weaker of the two (eventually I mean) and featured a poor alternative to BC and look at that, top of the list. Not only that, a weaker hybrid even outsold the X1 in just 3 years time, also without BC.

Pay attention to Phil Spencer, he's panicking. Exclusives are what sells units, exclusives are the ONLY reason to buy a console. You could have had everything the Series X is touting with BC if you had built a PC 10 years ago. It simply isn't impressive and with their shared library with PlayStation, there simply isn't a single reason to buy into the Xbox ecosystem this time.

if PS5 was BC with 1,2 and 3, they would have already announce that. Relax and look forward to this new beast that they hopefully present next week and give me pre-order details so I can order one ASAP . get hyped ppl about getting a PS5 baby.

@oldschool1987 with 1 less gen and a fraction of games. Go look at how many ps1 and ps2 games there are versus og xbox. Hell take every xbox gen and i bet ps1 and 2s library is damn near as much if not much more. Then add ps3 (which sony made a mistake on in some aspects in hindsight. I only say in hindsight because im sure they didnt know to what extent the internet would cry about BC) and you have a library that is well beyond the scope of Xbox BC.

BC is really only important during launch. 2 years from now nobody will care about it because there will be plenty of new titles available. Xbox made it a big deal on current gen because they didn't have the 1st party output to lean on. Once MS and Sony are both pumping out new exclusives all this BC talk will be in the rear view mirror.

I have mixed feelings about backwards compatibility: one reason is that my old consoles either don't work or are gone; the other reason is that the old discs may be barely functional already. I end up buying old classics when they're re-released because I can't play them on my old consoles anymore if I have them--my old SNES games can't hold a save anymore for the RPGs I have for example, and I don't even have the original SNES because the system completely died.

BC is only a small part of what is more important to me: retro gaming, which was significant when the Wii came out with its virtual console, and the BC with GCN made it even more appealing. Likewise, my first year PS3 was fantastic because of it's BC, as I no longer had the PS1 or PS2. Sadly, both the PS3 and Wii and game collection for those consoles got stolen by some jerk "friend" while I was working overseas, and I only got back into gaming after I was gifted both a Switch and PS4 the same Christmas by other friends who realized what a jerk that former "friend" was.

A bit like Last of Us 2. I want them to say if you buy it now and then get the PS5 there will be a free patch that includes ray tracing etc. want the game but don’t want to buy a PS5 remaster afterwards. Something they should have clarified during State of Play.

@GamingVeteran what kind of a response is that?

Nearly every gamer I know, which is around 500 and counting has a backlog. If you don't have a backlog and made wise financial decisions like buying a set of golf clubs instead, more power to you.

Never thought I would see the day a gamer up in here, recommending buying less games in a distorted argument about backwards compatibility.

It benefits everyone other than the work Sony has to put in.

I honestly think the “outrage” is mostly fanboys from the Xbox side making a lot of noise because they need to talk about something they perceive as Microsoft doing better. As many people in the comments have already said I’m sure the people who actually care about backward compatibility beyond PS4 games are very few in number. My backlog of games from the PS4 generation alone prevents me from playing anything older than this current gen and that’s not likely to change anytime soon.

Internet outrage has got to be the worst part of modern times. FFS people get lives!

GoblinKing86, you might not care, but when the XBox One launched, I was so angry at MS for their botched launch that I gave away a third of my 360 library and re-purchased it for PS3.

Since they fired the old CEO and Spencer took over, they have slowly fixed their reputation, and their BC initiative is a HUGE part of that. Hell, I come to regret replacing those games with PS3 copies.

@JohnKarnes Yep. Not sure where people think they are expensive.

@GoblinKing86 Spot on. I don't know why people think this is some type of win. The majority of those who buy a new console, buy it for the new experiences. I mean it is a nice feature, but even I wouldn't use it that often with all the new releases taking up my game time.

If SONY still says it is x-times powerful than previous gen, than it must run earlier generations with move of finger, doesn't it? huh? c'mon SONY full backwards compatibility with all generations, huh? you afraid? chicken! popopopoaaa 😂

@themcnoisy If you want to play your old games, then play them on the hardware they were intended for. Be happy you'll have PS4. I'm willing to bet, that you won't even use it much once PS5's library has more than enough new releases to keep you busy.

Microsoft certainly has an edge with their backward compatibility and is a effective strategy on existing Xbox and new console gamers. PlayStation gamers will see less benefit from it since they already owned their games on the PS4. This give Sony time to work on those titles that do not pass the early BC test. Popular Sony exclusives could also see meaningful updates, beyond the standard higher resolution/fps. For example, patching existing titles with HQ texture, Tempest engine and DualSense support. Such updates, when given free, add value to existing customers and can create new marketing opportunity for these games on the PS5.

@InsertUsername my ps2 still runs, but what can I do, when it dies? answer this...

@djlard The answer is obvious. Buy a new one, or keep complaining. The latter is counter-productive and the former is rather a cheap purchase. However, your PS2 runs, so?....

Well, I want full bc, I have a lot of digital ps3 and ps4, 99% digital maybe. I don't want 3 consoles connect to my avr when the xbox only needs one hdmi for 4 generations.

So with all this Sony indefinition and mystery, I started to buy all the 3rd party games on my xbox, at least they are transparent on the BC Roadmap.

I see a lot of ppl here saying that bc is not important, new games are, but there's plenty of money to be made on BC, and Ms see's it, I still spend money on some x360 games, I'm sure there's lots of ppl doing the same.

@InsertUsername Ok and where to buy new ps2? don't know if you noticed, but it discontinued production a few decades back... Your arguments are weaker than xbox...

@Freakdahouse Lol, no. There really isn't a lot of money made into it. Most of those who will use b/c (very small in number), already have their games and will buy any games they don't have , second hand instead of new. So yes, b/c isn't all that important to most who buy new hardware.

@johnny30 PS Now would be great if I could play all the digital games I bought on the PS3 sadly you have to buy the exact same games again or subscribe to the service.

@MarcG420 The internet always freaks out over everything. Especially when it's been confirmed that most PS4 games will be playable.

@BleedingDreamer PS Now is a business, so of course you have to pay for it. They're not going to let you use it for free.

@BleedingDreamer Absolutely. For example I own Final Fantasy 7 for psx, they forced me to buy exactly same game for ps3 (psp) and now they are trying to sell me exactly same game third time for ps4. This really ISN'T FAIR!!! It is punishment for buying newer machine!!! and that is unacceptable!

I do not care one bit about backwards compatibility, I usually keep my old platform. Plus sony already said that over 100 ps4 titles are already g2g on the ps5. 100 games is a lot, I buy the new gen platform for new gen games. As for competing with Microsoft, arent they already winning? Its already been established the tflop gaps really do not make that big of a difference...

@themcnoisy "Never thought I would see the day a gamer up in here, recommending buying less games in a distorted argument about backwards compatibility."

You're main complaint was you have to many games in you're backlog (not Sony's fault), so if there is no backward compatibility (which nobody knows yet) you won't buy PS5. I mean at least understand what you yourself are typing. Why don't you just keep you're PS4? you will still have it, you're games will still be there. That entire argument is *****, and makes next to zero sense.

@InsertUsername if PS Now is Sony's answer for BC than we should be able to play the games that we bought digitally on the PS3. PS Now is a digital service there is absolutely no reason we can't. The games I bought digitally on the Xbox 360 I can play on the Xbox One and it doesn't cost me a thing. Sony could do the same if they wanted.

I’d be content with no backwards compatibility. I already have a PS4 Pro. I’ll buy a PS5 to play PS5 games—not to play old, outdated games.

@InsertUsername second hand? Lol are you on the 90's? Who buys used old gen games when you can buy digital for a few euros? I just bought the witcher 2 for like 4 euros, an old game with xbox one x enhancements.

@BleedingDreamer They rather robb your money for same product.

@Skittlz I always thought the same thing until I played a few games on the Xbox One. Playing Fallout 3 or New Vegas on the Xbox One was like playing a new game I had never played before. The framerate was silky smooth the textures were nice and sharp, it was a new experience. The Playstation should and could offer the same experience.

I would even pay for backward emulator on my ps4.

@oldschool1987 exactly I hate having to keep my ps3 out just to play ps1 and 2 games. It would be such an easy sell if they made ps5 backward compatible with ps1-4

@Rob_230

This is the internet. Patience is NOT a virtue here😂

Thats why i dont pay attention to rumours myself. I just wait for a reveal of any gadget/game and then analyse from there.

@djlard I think some companies get so focused on profit that they end up alienating their customer base with things that aren't consumer friendly. Sony has a great product with Playstation but they can do things that could make it better for the consumer.

@BleedingDreamer even red dead redemption is on 4k bc. But according to fanboys, its better to move ahead and forget, or just play it on your old system with worse performance.

@EquiinoxGII I have played many old games in my Xbox one, and I love the backward compatible feature of the console. Xbox one was my very first Xbox ever, and there were many great 360 games that I have never played. So it was nice when Microsoft announced b/c for Xbox one as it presented me with the opportunity to play games such as Dead Space 2 and 3 among many other great games from the past, even OG Xbox games.

If PS5 ends up being backwards compatible with all generations of Playstation, I would be more inclined to puck one up. But for now, I'm kind of on the fence where the PS5 is concerned. Though I may get one a few years after release. By then, maybe the will have figured out a way to make all generations of Playstation game run on PS5.

@Nyne11Tyme I'm not disputing Sony has a larger library, but the fact is Microsoft is b/c with all their generations, and Sony only with their previous gen. It's not a deal breaker, but it's definitely a win for Microsoft, and I'll definitely buy a Series X as well, because I often revisit old games whilst waiting for new ones.

@InsertUsername I don't understand your contempt for people who want b/c? You don't want it? That's fine, nothing wrong with that. Many do, and that should be fine as well. It doesn't hurt you that they want b/c.

@InsertUsername you do know many 360 games can be played in 4k, HDR and some at 120fps? Try that on your old 360.

New to this site, but I just dont get the mentality of some user here that say, I don't use so it alright for sony not to compete with their competitors on BC. So far they just been copying xbox playbook every generation. For example: online subscription, psnow aka xbox pass, now monthly bc thru update, like 4real?? More choices and options is key here. I feel like BC should be a plus, not a negative as some user tried to downplayed it. So far it a big L for sony. Having the option for BC is a win win by us gamer just to have it as option. For example: This generation LACK great games, nothing new just rehash and cash grab remastered, would be great if ps4 actually have BC. There wouldnt be that much remastered and definitive cash grab that these user downplaying BC tend to buy and eat up. Wouldnt BC save you money on those rehash?

@Hordak
Exactly. That's what I wanna know too.

@Melynx2 Disagree so far xbone and ps4 generation. Bunch of rehash game from the so called forgotten gen you just trashed on as "forgettable."

It's only Microsoft with their usual FUD strategy. In fact, most of the PS5 fans are more interested in next gen games.

@themcnoisy
They will be.
😉

@NeilBreen everything about your name and profile picture is gold 😂👍

@BleedingDreamer Maybe, but they aren't anytime soon.

@Jarobusa The only thing that will matter to me when PS5 and Series X release, is new experiences. What you mentioned will probably be enticing to the very small number of gamers who will use b/c. However, I'm not one of them. Also, trying to talk up a console that really only has one selling point(which doesn't say much) isn't really helping.

@thefirst
Some people are looking at what the competition is offering and rightfully ask why aren't they given the same options? It's a very fair question imo.

I play my ps2, psp, ps1 games through pc emulation at 4k/60fps and let me tell you replaying games like jak2, omnimusha, mgs2... Etc with that image quality is worth it.
I'm still buying a ps5 day one but I must say Sony could do a lot better on that front.

@NeilBreen Remasters are only a small number of games vs. thousands of others that haven't been. Remasters are games that are usually classics, not at random. Was a nice try, though.

Along with the inevitable and ongoing advancements in technology ⚙, SHOULD come convenience. All of you ***** saying that you "...don't buy new consoles to play old games." or "I don't care about backwards compatibility." are either pathetically missing the point or your opinion means as little as the space in between your ears👂. I'm not going to bother explaining WHY backwards compatibility (something some of you can't seem to be bothered to spell out) means so much to other gamers. I'm only expressing my disdain for the ubiquitous lack of comprehension of the values of others that I'm BEYOND sick of witnessing. 🙄😒

@FKUBT I think the funniest thing here is people like yourself think it's a loss when no one really even uses it. It's no different than a kid getting a toy from his parents. He/she will play with it for a bit, then said toy sits in a closet collecting dust for months or even years. That's b/c in a nutshell. You may see it as downplaying it and that's your opinion, but the real fact of the matter is it's not a huge feature that everyone buys a new console for. They buy it for new games. Have a good one.

@thefirst Trying to suggest there isn't even 50 games on xbone despite there being thousands of games from the biggest and smallest companies out there supporting the system, and hundreds of games from the last gen era, most definitely is being a huge Fanboy. Also, considering the Xbone and PS4 have a largely identical game list you're implying that nothing but exclusives are worth playing on the PS4, and that's not true.

On topic. BC is actually incredibly important to me. I have hundreds of games on all platforms, and a pretty sizable backlog on all as a result. This is in part due to the free games we get every month, an part due to taking advantage of sales. I already have 6 consoles connected up to my TV and I'm not willing to add any more. Either I can take my backlog forward, or I'm not moving forward myself.

@sabaki08 that's not true though as backwards compatible titles on Series X can take full advantage of the system, including its SSD

@Shepard93n7 I'd imagine that even most Xbox gamers who are looking forward to Series X, are buying it for new experiences, and not last gen ones. It's simply the vocal minority that see to make it appear as if everyone wants it.

@InsertUsername what is the title of this article?

Honestly, I don't care about bc with PS1, PS2 and PS3. Those games are too old and barely stand the test of time. Last week I finally played GTAV on ps4 and it really shows its age in many areas.
But I really care about PS4 bc, as I still have a lot of games to play here and for me - this is the best generation that ever was. But also the one with longest loading screens maybe. I'd be happy to rid of those and still play my favorite games on brand new ps5 at launch.

@No_Cartridge sure, it might be a big ask, but one that would pay off. Its clearly something people care about, otherwise we wouldn't get constant remasters with the games being upscaled to run better on current gen systems. PS3 emulation works on PC, and pretty well now. It's definitely possible.

Nothing wrong with asking.

For me this is a huge advantage of the Series X, being able to play many older titles with significantly improved performance and HDR is brilliant as far as I'm concerned. Even games from this generation are going to benefit hugely and think of the titles that didn't get enhanced such as GTAV and having that at 60fps or Red Dead Redemption 2. Then you have lots of arcade classics that were re-released during the 360/PS3 era such as Daytona which could look amazing with HDR added. As a gamer what the series X is doing is a dream and if they add further games to their bc from the 360 and og Xbox then it would be a definite purchase from me

@Chryssy75 Sony can do a lot of things, but they aren't required to nor really have to to be honest. They are moving in their own direction. I know that may bother those small number of gamers that don't like it, but they do have options elsewhere. I'm buying a PS5 day one as well, and I'll be using it for new experiences. But hey, maybe they'll give everyone b/c with ps3, ps2 and ps1 when they feel it makes sense.

@JohnKarnes I'm guessing most are probably barely working at that price. NEVER get anything below very good condition on Ebay because 9 times out of 10 it'll be broken.

It would be 'satisfying' to have access to, and the ability to play the whole back catalogue of games on one PlayStation console. (It's one of the things I am envious of PC gamers over).

Even if PS5 was PS4 and PS2 backwards compatible that would be amazing, at least you'd then only need a PS3 and PS5 to have access to the full library.

@Truth_Stalker If you can't handle opinions(which yours means about as little as the space between your ears), then perhaps you should look over the ones that bother you and converse with those who agree with you. Simple, right? Otherwise, expect that not everyone is going to be in agreement. I comprehend just fine what people are trying to say, I just don't agree with them. If that gives you disdain, then many people must live rent free in your head I guess. It's the internet. I'd grow a thick skin.

Of course they are entitled to run their business the way they see fit,
just like we are entitled to ask for more and better services.
Remember when xbox players were demanding more from xbox live after seeing what playstation was offering with ps+?
I have been with playstation for 25 years and I know Sony is listening and they are already working on solutions. There have been some rumors about Sony approaching the RPCS3 team to help them port their ps3x86 emulation solution on ps4.

@Ptpete I'm sure we'd all love to have everything, but unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. I'm content with PS4 b/c, as that's really as far as I'll go with b/c in general. I think that PS Now will eventually evolve and become a bigger service that offers PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games in the future. With any luck, at a fair price.

@InsertUsername I'm starting to suspect that you're either a bot account or a non-sentient being, either way your behaviour is a joke.

@Chryssy75 I'd imagine they are hearing all the complaints. Problem is that gamers expect them to just wave a magic wand and everything magically appears. That's just not how it works. Maybe they'll get what they want, maybe they don't. It all depends on what is possible with the hardware they have to work with.

If my smartphone can run ps1,psp, ps2, gamecube games at 2k, don't tell me a ps5 with a zen2 core can't do better.
I think it's more an investment issue more than anything else.

I'm not panicking. I want new games for a new console.
Backwards compatibility would be an added bonus for me.

@oldschool1987 Only a dozen OG Xbox games are playable through their ''BC'' programme, and not even the majority of 360 games. They have to port every individual game; so it's not reasonable to expect that Sony has PS1-3 ready from day one. I do think they should've made more of the older games available online, but to expect everything to be on the PS5 day one is not possible. PS4 will be there. Hopefully they will have some kind of built-in emulator for the rest, but I wouldn't bet on it.

@Octane I don't expect, or think it's reasonable to expect every single game from every single generation available lol. I'm just saying games from each generation, and grow that list of games slowly over time. Future proof them for future generations.

PS4 BC is all I'm expecting and all I want. I've got the 60GB PS3 only played two older games when I first got it. I want my experiences to move forward 😎

@TowaHerschel7 100% a bot or troll account.

Also I want to play Cyberpunk in september and then again on nextgen ps5 and don't pay for it twice.

I don't really care about backwards compatibility. I'm keeping my pro and I'm buying a ps5 to play ps5 games. How strange is that? I've never ever played last gen games on a new console.

@JohnKarnes not all are dreadful, granted. But let's face it.. it is a cashcow isn't it? If it's done like a true remake, new assets e.c.t it can bring some new life into an old game. Most of the time I believe they are just taking advantage of nostalgia in consumers.

With the increase in digital libraries, I think BC for PS4 is important. And Cerny stated as much in his broadcast, which is why nearly all PS4 games will work as Sony have already said.

Backwards compatibility is a big deal for me - particularly my digital PS4 library which is pretty hefty. If those come with me to PS5 it would naturally make me favour the PS5 over other games and also mean I would be more happy to get PS5 nearer launch since i can continue with my backlog.

I think older generations would also be great but to be honest, less of a priority. I believe that platform holders are missing a trick by not giving a full library out there.

Really. People are 'panicking'. I'm really not fussed
much about BC. Most thing I've played, played again and bought a remaster for it. Will just be the same with the PS5. You could also just keep your PS4/PS3 to play that stuff. If BC brings everything it's a win, if it brings everything that is on PS4, Its also a win.

Backwards compatibility would make me much more eager to grab a PS5 early on. It's a shame that the rumours of BC with older generations have mostly disappeared now, as that could have cemented my PS5 purchase for sure.

BC would be nice, but not necessary for me. I only have 3 gamediscs of the 10 or so games i have installed on my PS4. Tho in everyone else's defense, i only got my ps4 like 6 months back so...

Either way, BC would be nice so i could at least play those 3 titles some more if i decide to get the ps5

@TowaHerschel7 unless you bought 10 and found 9 not working you can not know that. Ebay also offer buyer protection it would be easy to get your money back.

Some level of PS4 b/c will be included from day one and then further system updates will patch the emulation for titles with issues. I think Sony did the same thing with the initial PS3 system updates?

I've still got a PS3 slim and a PS4 Pro. The only games I can't play but would like to are PS2 games. The PS4 was perfectly capable of playing PS1 and PS2 games via emulation. The PS5 will almost be powerful enough to emulate the Cell processor's RISC architecture but PS1 and PS2 emulators should be standard by now.

@EquiinoxGII cashcow? because people want and buy them? Taken advantage of? Not when everyone has the choice to buy or not to buy. No one is being tricked or swindled into buying.

I couldn't care less about bc, I still have my ps3 but never play it. Same will happen with the ps4

@BleedingDreamer this. I'm currently playing kingdom come deliverance and the game is great but could be so much better if the PS5 boosted it's frame rate and awful loading times

@BankaiBadass
Actually I think you got it wrong. He said boosted frequencies are huge and they recently had a look at the top 100 games to see how they handle it and almost all of them will work (BOOSTED) at launch. Implying possibly more that they didnt look at will also work perfectly boosted by ps5.. That is for boost.

Before that he described how ps4 and ps4 pro legacy BC was achieved thanks to AMD. There was even a slide showing it.

It s baffling that the press are unable to explain it for people who dont have time to listen to Cerny .

@EquiinoxGII
I appreciate the tech and features, but I too don't understand why BC is such a big deal. Why would you buy a PS5/XSX to play 360 games. Granted I totally understand those that want to play games of previous generations that they have missed out on. (I am keen to play Halo in HDR)

I would love to see the Xbox current backwards compatibility stats. How much are people ACTUALLY using the feature

@BankaiBadass

Because generally people are ‘thick as mince’

I know it's greedy to want it to do everything, but that's what made the original batch of PS3s so great. They played CDs/DVDs/BDs and PSX/2/3 games, that was exactly what I wanted, and also why I was so disappointed with PS4.
Ideal solution - in my mind - would be the equivalent now for PS5 whilst also supporting Now and the various digital options for people who don't like to retain physical media, best of both worlds.

I dont know how to say this without sounding mean but anyone who says they dont care about backwards compatibility are hypocrites.
These are the same people who got excited when Mafia Trilogy was announced , but also the same people who bought Borderlands handsome collection , Uncharted Trilogy , Call of duty modern warfare remastered and the list goes on and on .

If red dead redemption 1 was announced tomorrow morning , the majority of people would be rushing to Gamestop and Pre ordering the game .

In my humble opinion I have everything I want on PS4 for now and the near future.

Only want to look forward with PS5, life’s too short for me to keep playing the same games, even if they are good 😎

So to that end, they need to get on and announce something! 😆

@johnny30 This, sony is trying so hard to push PSnow so this lack of backwards compatibility makes sense from a business standpoint.

Either way if they need to come out and say if they support it or not. I do accept some titles/majority of titles. They need to compete with sony.

In fairness Microsoft need BC to work more than Sony.

I’m personally confident Sony will release enough great exclusives for ps5 to make it a hit. That optimism does not extend to Xbox for me. I skipped this Xbox generation as theres nothing I personally think want to play.

Like many have said before me I don’t buy a new console to play old games on it. It’s a bonus if it does but not a deal break if it doesn’t. I’m in it for the new experiences. I can’t remember the last time I was really interested in Xbox stuff to be fair...maybe Perfect Dark on 360. All my memorable stuff over the last decade or so has defo been on PlayStation.

@GamingVeteran No you are moronic as you have distorted what I originally said. But thanks for the insult. It's also 'TOO many', not 'to many' as you keep writing.

I said if Sony doesn't carry over my PS4 purchases on to PS5, I will have to wait until I have finished mopping up my PS4 games, where as I would buy it at release if it had backwards compatibility.

@InsertUsername It's pretty obvious the majority of people on Pushsquare would like to carry their catalogues over with them as even this year GoT, TLOU 2 and Cyberpunk are yet to release. You are assuming no one will use the facility as you don't. If you have a large library of games (which most of us have), it would be a big advantage to play them on PS5 whenever you feel the need. There are innumerable reasons to promote backwards compatibility, especially in the digital age.

My understanding is that the challenge of backwards compatibility pre-PS4 was due to the very different hardware setups between the PS2 and PS3. While there is no doubt a difference in hardware between the PS4 and PS5, the fact that they are both based on AMD hardware should make this a relative non-issue. I'm just assuming of course as I am no expert.

Am not buying a new system to play old games, it's cool to have but not the main focus of ps5. The series x is there if you want that. I want the ps5 moving forward, not backwards

F' BC! Never been a problem. I'm buying a ps5 to play ps5 games. Ive got all my new game + modes on ps4 games waiting if needed. Get a ps3 £25 if your that bothered.

Push Square you should start locking the threads on these backwards compatibility stories.

As with all things moronic a small user base is making a lot of noise over something that literally anyone with half a brain knows is a little used feature.

To those very same moronic fanboys making all this noise over old games, get a life! If you had one you perhaps wouldn’t be so interested in playing games that people stopped playing years and in some cases decades ago. It is pathetic and your average user just plain doesn’t care.

@FKUBT What are you waffling on about?

Sony have killed it this gen with the one thing that I truly care about; great single player games.

I had a 360 last gen but in 2016 decided it was time to upgrade. Was missing out on the likes of Arkham Knight and latest AC games so I was eager to take the plunge.

Which one though? Xbox or PS4? Saw a few trailers for Horizon Zero Dawn and that was that, mind made up and haven't regretted it.

PS4 is a great console and with the Last Of Us Part II and Ghost Of Tsushima to come it's not done yet!

And on which console will I be able to play sequels to Horizon and Spidey and God of War? It's not the Xbox One Series X Supersonic Edition, I know that for sure!

I don't care about PS2 games nor PS3, as long as I can also play PS4 games on the PS5 then that's fine with me. The reason Xbox make such a big deal about BC is simple, they don't have the number and quality of exclusives that the PS4 has.

It will be backwards compatible believe me. I’m pretty sure the majority of games will work perfectly fine. I have an external hd drive too that things are on and that will just be plug and play too. I’m not worried at all

@Salt_AU Come on bro, your comments are usually decent. It's not that I will play all my ps4 games on the ps5.

Here are 2 examples;

You fancy a game of Streets of Rage 4 in 2022. So you either pull out the ps4 that's been locked away for 2 years at the back of a cupboard or load it on the PS5 which is already set up.

You have Cyberpunk on PS4 but didn't have the time to play it due to work. In the meantime you bought a PS5. With BC you can happily set up the PS5 and all the fun a new console entails and load in Cyberpunk.

@RBMango say what? So your advice to a tech company is to focus on nostalgia vs innovation.

I'm a big retro gamer but while I wouldn't mind if ps5 has done BC functionality, I'd much prefer Sony focus on the future rather than the past.

If the PS5 isn't totally backwards compatible, I'm going Xbox next gen. A first for me. Sony needs to sort their ***** out when it comes to this and also crossplay.

@themcnoisy those two examples are going to be doable on the ps5... they’ve already announced that the majority of PS4 games WILL WORK on ps5.

To repeat since these fanboys seem to be having a hard time with their reading comprehension :

THE VAST MAJORITY OF PS4 GAMES WILL WORK ON PS5. SONY HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED THIS.

Can you kindly move on to your next fanboy outrage. Thanks.

I think panicking is just a more acceptable way to say that some people are freaking TF out, while others would be completely LIVID if they didn't provide full BC.. It has been said time and time again the only reason they didn't do it ps3 -> ps4 is almost SOLEY due to different architecture. Look to the PC why can games almost always play? (If hardware is powerful enough) Same architecture.........simple.
Well they finally went and did it, they are keeping the architecture base similiar to that of the Ps4.
LEAVING THEM ZERO EXCUSES, when I insert a hard copy blue ray ps4 game into the ps5 it should play.

I have preferred Sony for generations, (for me) ps4 was a no brainer, just search Google to see the amount of exclusive titles compared to xbox one, thats why I choose ps4. It was in reality the clear winner, period. However if they don't make it so I can play all of (a damn good amount at least) my ps4 titles on the ps5 (when my ps4 croak, and it will) then they better hope ps5 has a TON OF exclusives or I Will never buy a Sony console again, they keep screwing us over and I won't have it anymore.

Straight to Series X if they dont step up their game. I know I am not alone. Hell I won't be buying it till probably the end of 2021 anyways. So I'll time to research whether they deserve my money.

Gamers need to open their eyes, we've been getting taken advantage of for quite some time (in other ways much worse than B.C. of course) getting screwed on refunds, terrible micro transactions, etc

I am done (I am too smart)

@NotSmartEnough if people own a physical disc they should still be able to play it - however I am more worried about my ps4 titles after my ps4 craps the bed - I shouldn't have to pay for a service to play games I own a copy of, when the next gen console is capable of playing them, at 1/4 of it's power, and with it's current promised specs.... Period.

That is why I (personally) want BC, its better......just me

@avenovah I usually buy the new ps then xbox then nintendo but I'm honestly considering xbox 1st this time unless Sony pulls out a magic hand

@Tharsman Nintendo did not offer any BC on home consoles until the Wii. NES, SNES, N64 and GC were all completely stand-alone and same for Switch if I'm not mistaken. In fact, you could argue that Nintendo were the first company to leverage their back catalogue and sell "remasters" of older properties. Sony led the way offering BC when no other console maker had previously done so (Atari, no. Sega, no). Interesting that they've changed their respective stances and this is the generation where gamers want to draw the line.

@feral1975 they also played SACDs and had memory stick support. That was pretty cool.

Should PlayStation do BC? No in reality as they have enough good games made by them every year.

Would it be cool to have it? Absolutely as even just the PS1 or PS3 would be amazing to play on it (Without Ps Now) but either using our own copies or adding code to support almost all the titles.

I there good folks. Even though I´m still enjoying my PS4 a lot, with games like FFVII Remake and upcoming games like The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima(wich I can´t wait to play them),
I´ve been very excited for all of the PS5 news. BC is indeed a good thing and I do belive the PS5 will be compatible with most(if not all) PS4 games. However, That is not the reason why I´m buying one. I´m getting a PS5 because it is going to be a brand new system that will give the players new gaming experiences. And, of course, the amazing studios providing the PS5. Now granted, I´m not going to sell my PS4, but some people will in order to purchase the new one and that´s one of the reasons some people might still be on the fence.
Let´s be honest here, MS is doing a tremendous job with their new system, being powerful and having BC with probably every single title available on the Xbox library. As a gamer myself, it is kinda awesome that I can play Ninja Gaiden Black, Blinx, Lost Odyssey, Magna Carta 2, Gears of War 5 and Forza Horizon 4 as well as new games all in one system. That´s great. But, gaming consoles need Brand New Games, Exclusive games that will make that system appealing for the person who´s buying it. And again, for me personaly, it is the main reason why I get a new system: GAMES first and foremost. Sorry for the long text. Cheers and happy gaming to us all

@hi_drnick Because in those Nintendo consoles they changed the media type. They were not compatible cartridges. Nintendo handheld consoles, until the Switch, all offered backwards compatibility.

I mentioned this in my previous post (gameboy advance played gameboy games, DS played GBA game’s, 3DS played DS games) Odd exception to the rule of media type being the DS, that had two cart slots to be able to provide GBA compatibility.

Also, the first console to offer BC out of the box was the Atari 7800.

Sega Genesis/Mega Drive offered BC via an adapter sold separately.

@AdamNovice Be good to hear your own opinion on this one ADF as one of the biggest PS fans I know. What would you like to see?

PS4 back compatibility is fine. PS3 backward - not interested. Old games are just that. Old. Personally I want new games and new experiences. Not tired old ones.

Nostalgia doesn't age well for me personally.

@MarcG420 I'm not outraged. I would just like to have BC because of my library. That is all I commented on originally. I was then called out for being a moron.

Without BC I will leave PS5 for a few months as I whittle down the library I have already purchased. That's the dilemma, no big deal.

What is wrong with that? If its part of the deal then awesome, if not then the PS5 is slightly less awesome.

The comments here are....interesting.

As far as people freaking out over PS5 backwards compatibility, as others have said, Sony already confirmed that a wide majority of PS4 games have been confirmed to work on the system. No one should be worried about it.

I think what people should be more concerned with is Sony's lack of clarity on cross-generation. Microsoft has been very open about how it wants to approach cross-generation using Smart Delivery.

Yes, a game will still work with backwards compatibility, but I can see a lot of backlash if Sony requires you to buy the PS5 version of Cyberpunk 2077 to get your upgrades if you already own the PS4 version - especially knowing Smart Delivery exists on the Microsoft side.

[Also, thanks for the warning that comment sizes are reduced. I had a lot to say on the matter, but that is all gone now after I spent a lot of time and thought only to get scolded for my comment size]

@Octane MS does not actually “port” every old game, nor do they emulate them. The game’s are basically running on a pre-packed virtual machine, similar to how a lot of old DOS games you buy from steam or GOG today are distributed. During that process they can modify the game image to inject higher res assets or force higher resolution modes.

The thing, though, is that they have to re-package the game, and add it to their digital store for download. They can’t legally do that without licensing deals. Some right holders might be missing in action, others might be unwilling to participate.

(There are exactly 39 original Xbox titles available on Xbox one BC, but a huge number, but not a dozen either.

568 X360 games.)

Cerny said the majority should work.

Yes they have confirmed that most of the PS4 library will be available. But they did this when the PS3 was originally released with the emotion chip which aloud older titles to run on the system, but they then removed that chip set and moved too ps plus, which in my opinion doesn't work or compare to Xbox's game pass which is also available to the PC. It's already destroying Google stadia.

@CodeJBDA this is an interesting article:

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xbox-one-backwards-compatibility-xbox-360-play-time-popularity-microsoft-1818160

As of February 2018, MS claimed users had spent a cumulative 840 million hours playing 360 games on their XBOnes.

I can add an anecdotal here: right now I’m playing an Assassins Creed marathon. The first one is BC on XOne X with 4k resolution, so I’m obviously playing it there and not on a PS3 nor a 360.

After I’m done with that, my gaming queue includes Final Fantasy 13 (all 3 of them) and the whole Gears of War series (unless I get tired of the series mid-way though.)

@NotSmartEnough I'm not too bothered, but if Stadia isn't a thing, why would anyone be satisfied with PS now? Streaming services don't work for games. Who wants to play classic games with input delay on top of it?
So, no. PS now is no good solution.
If Nintendo and Microsoft can emulate their old stuff, i'm sure Sony can too.

@Tha_Likely_Lad maybe it will if the PS5 supports bc for that game.

@themcnoisy I think what you're saying is perfectly reasonable. Ideally most or all ps4 games will work on ps5 but if not, some potential early adopters will decide to hold off. No big deal really.

In my opinion. The real reason why PS5 fans are panicking over backwards compatibility is because this feature will give Xbox Series X a clear advantage against the PS5 this next generation of console.

While I will be buying the PS5 because I want to play the next-gen and exclusive games that Sony has to offer. Backwards comparability will be an added bonus but it won't be a deal breaker for me.

I also don't see a point in owning an Xbox Series X other than brand loyalty because you can play most xbox games with your PC through Xbox Game Pass.

At launch, gamers will favor the most consumer friendly console over the other but over time the company that can be consistent in delivering great exclusive games and service will be the winner.

@Tharsman yes, obviously Nintendo's earlier consoles all featured different media, just as PS1,2 AND 3 did (the fact that they are all optical is noted) and BC is clearly an easier proposition in the digital age.

And you'll have to forgive me for forgetting about the miserable 7800 and it's 1 million units sold and an optional adapter that failed to make any significant impression.

My overall point is that it's interesting there has been a reversal in stance related to BC and it's really only this generation or the one prior that a big deal has been made of it (made all the more interesting considering how quickly games are discounted and how ubiquitous they've become)

Thanks @hi_drnick for the backup. I just don't understand the hate towards BC. Of course we all want new games, we would all be sat on old consoles otherwise. However there comes a time when a quick blast of Driveclub seems a good idea. Or playing Ultra SF4 again etc.

Hopefully the worries are unfounded and it's included.

I'm not fussed about backwards compatibility, its forwards compatibility which concerns me. If I can't play PS7 games on this thing then no sale.

@themcnoisy
It's mainly misinformation
Cerny even said if you have an extensive ps4 library you can play them straight from an external HDD.

Cheers @JJ2 that's good to know, @JohnnyShoulder already informed me of that in the forums which is awesome.

@Salt_AU thanks man, I knew you didn't mean it personally. I have the room for one console as my game TV is in the living room. I suppose I could set my PS4 in the bedroom.

@JJ2 exactly

Backwards compatibility is one of those features which is nice to have, but for the majority of people not essential.

Looking back at previous implementations of BC, it tends to be a hell of a lot more likely if the hardware base is similar between generations. For example, because the PS Vita runs on MIPS architecture, playing PSP and PS1 games isn't that much of a stretch because they had it too. Same thing with the Wii U - PowerPC/ATI architecture means official support for the Wii, and unofficial for the GameCube if you pick up the excellent Nintendont app and run the Wii U in vWii mode (or have a forwarder do it for you, which is quicker and easier). Because again, using a similar chipset means it's easier to support the older hardware.

The reason the PS3 was able to support the two previous generations of completely different architecture was because it was pushed for by Ken Kutaragi at the design stage. The original PS3 was incredibly ambitious in scope, had 6 USB ports, featured the Emotion Engine from the PS2 among other things etc. Very expensive to produce which is why it got scaled back quickly after the launch models; it couldn't hit that competitive price point and the year's head start the X360 had.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE backwards compatibility. Any console that has it I tend to take advantage of it somehow, because it's great to be able to pick up the 3DS, for example, but also load up a handful of old favourites from the DS and GBA eras. However for the amount of effort required it's usually not worth the effort from the company's point of view, as they know systems will sell just as well without it. It has to be a combination of minimal effort and outlay for maximum income. I expect this is why the PS5 will support only the PS4; that similar AMD PC based architecture making it fairly rudimentary to down clock the CPU and GPU to support an environment similar enough to the PS4s with minor patches applied ensuring a high compatibility in the majority of cases. That's what Cerny was hinting at in the tech talk a few months ago, seems fairly obvious.

PART II:

Me personally, as much as I love BC, I also can't see what all the fuss is about if it isn't there. Yes it's an incredible exception that Microsoft have and will continue to have class-leading BC with the XSX, able to support the X86 nature of the original Xbox and current Xbox One plus the PowerPC nature of the X360. They've set a high bar there and I very much doubt Sony or Nintendo will ever be able to touch them on that feature. But what those other two have that Microsoft falls behind in is quality exclusives that make the consoles a must have. Phil Spencer has really shot himself in the foot saying that there won't be any exclusives on the XSX for about a year after launch, and from the news around that it seems there's not much advantage in owning one over a much better spec PC. In effect they're emphasised the problem of consoles, which is that they are more and more just scaled down PCs made on a price point.

A couple of extra teraflops and full back compat really isn't going to shift consoles like exclusives are, this current console generation has proved that. Microsoft already do have the most powerful current gen console in the X1X, and it's been on the market for just under 3 years now. Hasn't really helped them outsell or outclass the Switch or the PS4 has it? Probably this is compounded by the fact that it launched a few months after the Switch did, so the focus was elsewhere for a lot of gamers. Having full BC and slightly superior hardware may impress the hardcore fanboys, but it doesn't usually factor into the purchasing decision for the mass market. Xbox devotees may try hard to convince themselves and everyone else that it does, but the facts say different.

In my own case, I've owned nearly every Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony console from the last few gens, including several original Xboxes and a couple of X360s as well. I skipped the Xbox One because it didn't have anything I particularly wanted that the PS4 couldn't already do. So again, for me it's come down to exclusives, and a distinct lack of "must buy" titles on the Xbox One. Phil Spencer and Microsoft have laid all their cards on the table - we know what the new console looks like, we know the full specs, everything. Sony have said very little, revealed only the controller not even a shot of the final PS5 launch model, played it very tenaciously by starving everyone of information. This projects confidence, whereas the Microsoft approach projects desperation, not helped by the "not gameplay" reveal video recently which was completely underwhelming. It's a problem because if they screw up the next generation like they have the current one, I don't think they'll make any more consoles after that, they'll just promote gaming services, develop games for other hardware, similar to what happened with SEGA nearly 20 years ago (except hopefully with better games lol).

Well done if you bothered to read all of this

to be fair, Sony isn't in complete control of what is and is not compatible - this comes down to licensing from individual publishers. At present, legal agreements on PS4 titles are for the Playstation 4 platform only. To ensure a title works on PS5, all studios will need to sign-off on a new agreement that would permit Sony to allow their titles to play on the new platform.

I care about backwards compact all the ps1-PS4 I ain’t bothered about PS4 exclusive I’m a hardcore gamer I run emulators on my oppo Reno 2z from gba roms to ps2 games on my android phone I couldn’t give a toss about ps now I wouldn’t touch ps now with a bargepoll yes I got the old PlayStation consoles but they collecting dust hence why I love Xbox series x idea

I want full backwards compact. On ps5

Panicking? Seriously? ***** article

Panicking? Seriously? Bulxshytiit article

@Tharsman Good points, I think I was just projecting my personal situation on the gaming community. I suppose at the end of the day, it all depends on what MS or Sony find more valuable and deem more important. MS clearly sees great value in it as they have pushed it for a while and looking at their current gen position (firmly last), they saw this as a great way to get some goodwill and points with consumers.

I believe that the PS5 will be BC enough with the PS4 to pass, all the big games will work and pretty well. We know that the PS3 is pretty much unlikely, but they will leverage the PS Now (or the next gen equivalent) for that along with the earlier consoles.

@EquiinoxGII

I don't think I realize all games this current gen are back compat games for next gen . destiny 2 rainbox 6 red dead cod . Those are the games that need to be back compat for next gen . Think people just thinking of 360 PS3 games when they say back compat.

@Spectrexr1 all the big hitters are pretty much confirmed really, i don't play any of them anymore, but that's just me! I'm sure there is a huge following on these games still and people will want to continue. That's what makes gaming great, as everyone has different tastes and needs.

I don't think Sony as confirmed anything really. And they have no back compat games currently. Will be real trash buy cyberpunk on ps4 and can't play it on your new ps5. Guess time will tell

@No_Cartridge please quote me where I claimed its a deal breaker? I would like to see where I said that, in fact I stated the opposite. I'm saying Microsoft are taking a win here, and they are. PS3 might be too difficult to do, but no excuse for more PS1 or PS2 games. And if people didn't play old games again why is there always a new remaster on the way?

@hi_drnick it actually was a big deal for the PS3. It was heavily criticized when they removed BC from later models. Microsoft was also criticized when the 360 wasn’t BC, and they worked hard later to patch in BC for select Original XB titles.

If anything, it was an oddity that BC wasn’t a bigger deal at the start of the current generation, but it likely had to do more with the fear of what the previous XBox CEO was trying to pull off with always online DRM. Under that threat, BC might had seemed way lower of a priority.

Sony knows well that backwards compatibility is very important, especially for the previous generation, as it makes it easier to lock in your precious customers. They took a risk by making the PS4 not BC, and they were lucky that the XBOne was on the same boat (plus a ton others stupid XBOne launch mistakes.)

Btw, CD/DVD/BluRay is not as different as completely unique carts that have different pin setups. It’s not as expensive to add support for CDs to a DVD drive, or DVD to a BluRay drive.

I'm not panicking, I just gave up on PlayStation. My PS3 gets far more use than my PS4 because it has PS1, PS2 and PS3 games. If my PlayStation Classics purchases don't carry on to the PS4 and PS5, why bother? I would've gone Xbox or focused just on PC gaming if I had known Sony would drop the ball.

It would take a lot of effort for me to care any less about backwards compatibility. When I bought the PS4, that was the last time I saw my PS3.

@oldschool1987 right now, a lot of loyalists are bending backwards as far as they can to try to convince others that they should not even want BC, because, as loyalists, they just fear the PS5 won’t sell as well as the PS4, for some weird reason.

@Syttorak
It's a completely valid expectation for PS4 games to be playable on PS5, both for physical and digital titles. Thankfully, Cerny confirmed that the PS5 APU natively supports PS4 and PS4 Pro modes, so I think we're fine for PS4.

PS1, PS2 and PS3 are more problematic. Sure, in an ideal world PS5 would play everything, but that's not realistic:

Getting the PS5 APU to play PS4 games isn't a huge technical challenge, as the two consoles have much in common.

But getting the PS4 or PS5 to play PS3 games has always been hard, due to the unusual architecture of the PS3. Either you increase the base cost of the console by including the actual PS3 chipset (Cerny referred to this approach in his tech presentation), or you build a Cell VM that you can run on the Zen2 chipset. When you look at how the Cell PPU and SPUs were designed it becomes clear that it isn't as simple as just 'run the PS3 games in an emulator'.

If Sony dedicated some of its resources to creating an emulator that let you run PS3 games on PS5, then it would divert resources away from developing next-gen games. I'd rather have the latter than the former.

@CodeJBDA that’s all I expect too. I’m almost sure the PS5 will have near complete BC with PS4. It was one of the things almost everyone touted at the start of the generation: settling for standard PC hardware going forward would mean easy BC forever.

If Sony ends up not delivering near full BC, I will likely not get a PS5 for years to come, and then only for (by then) heavily discounted exclusives.

@Tharsman it's a little strange why they get so bent out of shape for us asking for a feature that the competition has.

"There may be trouble aheeeeead..."

@Tharsman I'd be careful about the definition of heavily criticised. Certainly a vocal minority were upset but the reduced cost that came with the removal of BC (and other factors) did wonders for sales.

I'm an old-head and I try to look at things as objectively as possible. BC is a nice-to-have for sure but it's not a defining feature by any means (and I spend at least half my gaming time on "retro" games). If we look at the big picture no company has ever done it right over multiple generations although this is not limited to gaming by any means.

Your point about optical media is well-taken. In a past life I supported optical engineers so I fully understood both the similarities and the rather costly differences between optical media.

hi_drnick, I’d be careful to claim any opinion you don’t share is just “a vocal minority”.

As for media: all PS3 models still play music CDs and DVD movies. Not tested music CDs on the PS4, but know it plays DVDs. Whatever cost is involved, they are not saving on it.

This is not encouraging:

“The report's qualifier of "technically" playable on the PS5 means that it's up to each developer to make sure this is the case,”

“Also, submitted is different than released, as companies must turn in their titles to Sony for approval months before they come out. This means that PS4 games releasing this summer may fall outside the July 13 start point – although Eurogamer believes that high-profile first-party summer titles Ghost of Tsushima and The Last of Us Part II will indeed play on the PS5. ”

https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/05/29/report-sony-sets-ps5-compatibility-date-for-ps4-titles

@Tharsman

My understanding is that PS4 does not play CDs. I think it lacks the necessary laser assembly (happy to be corrected).

My old launch-day 60gb PS3 plays SACDs, too! Works really well with the one hybrid SACD I've got. I think it's got a Compact Flash and Memory Stick reader as well. Nice bit of kit

@themcnoisy "No you are moronic as you have distorted what I originally said. But thanks for the insult"

Never insulted you, you must have read that out of context.

"That entire argument is moronic, and makes next to zero sense."

Wasn't aimed at you, I was just making a statement, because that argument has been used by gamers since back before the PS4 launched. Same people different generation, and had no affect on PS4's success. Nobody is panicking like the article states, the b/c user base is VERY small.

@GamingVeteran yes you did purposefully insult me.....

'At least understand what you are writing'

I understand exactly what I am writing.

Anyway I'm glad you replied so let's take this down a notch. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you are on as insightful members of the community have since informed me that we should have BC which makes a potential pre order of the PS5 a possibility. Being a part of a console launch is great so I wouldn't want to be a sideline voyeur. It's not a life defining moment - just something nice to do once in a while. I think we both can agree on that.

@NotSmartEnough I always like to point out when a fellow gamer actually has a grasp about a subject, and ISN'T just talking out their rear. You seem to be that type - which is why I don't think this will go through in one ear and out the other - as with 95% of people I talk to..

*MY PERSONAL reasoning simplified regarding BC is as follows. If they cannot provide it, I understand completely, and would accept. However they are NOT even close to that point - at this point if Sony chose not to do it it would be by choice. Whether to save money purely for extra greedy profit, or to keep sales on ps4's for the few people who still want to play, either are unacceptable IMO. That's it..

As far as what you spoke of / how I knew you understood the whole lingo, yes it is hard to properly emulate another architecture - which is why it is hard to get SOME consoles "emulators and roms" to run smooth even on SUPREMELY powerful PC'S.. It's just a PITA..

Thanks for the chat tho, glad I am not alone. I think Sony realizes THIS, finally. We want to be treated right..

People aren't buying the new consoles for old games. I bet they barely play an old game probably once in a blue moon. The only thing backwards compatibly would be the best fit for is easing into the next gen of gaming so we can bring our last gen over and still play them until new games come and replace them and then everyone and everything is all next gen and then when the next gen after come it all repeats. Xbox doesn't even have every single legacy title ever released because of licensing. Everyone wants to complain about power and T flops flopping around when old games are still going to look like ***** no matter how HD the ***** is. You'll barely play them because it's old and looks bad. After 5 minutes or so your done and putting in a new game. All this backwards compatibly stuff is just something for Microsoft to say they have something over Sony and they've had it for a while and they still haven't done as good as Sony because Sony comes out with new exclusive games only for PlayStation. If you want true backwards compatibly get a PC because everything on Xbox will be on pc and you'll have all the mods and all the power and all the better looking games and can do whatever you want on any game no problem and you can just buy new upgrades to keep up with the new. Everyone I hear is getting a PS5 and buying Xbox exclusives for pc and not worrying about any new Xbox until they make exclusives only for Xbox again. That's where Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot anyway. There are alot more of Gamers out there and if you can buy all Xbox exclusives on pc why pay 500 or whatever for something your never going to use when you can use your PC? Anytime Sony doesn't do something Microsoft will jump up and say they'll do it because they're just so obsessed with beating Sony and it's the only reason they do any of this just like when they tried to get everyone on board with the HD DVD because Sony had the Blu-ray and Microsoft wanted to beat Sony. The only reason they are in any of this *****. I say just make your games make your consoles and focus on your own *****. Everyone who plays whatever will play what they want. Maybe they'll make Xbox exclusives again who knows.

Omg who cares.
Want to play your older games?
Use your damn ps4

@Bailey8two “ There are alot more of Gamers out there and if you can buy all Xbox exclusives on pc why pay 500 or whatever for something your never going to use when you can use your PC?”

•Because PCs are clunky living-room devices
•Because you can’t build a PC that runs those game’s as well as the XSX for just $500
•Because some of us simply prefer to play games on consoles, and don’t just buy them as TV Adapters for First Party games (why buy any third party game for PS5 if you can get them for PC?)
•Because: ”Everyone who plays whatever will play what they want.”

@No_Cartridge I wasn't being passive aggressive, my dude. I thought you were putting words in my mouth and I corrected you. But your comment is entirely passive aggressive for some reason, maybe you were projecting when you accused me of that?

A remaster brings old games up to the generations standards.... Like Xbox is doing with their b/c catalogue?

Where did I say my wants are right? It's just an ask, a feature that would be nice... That's literally it. I'm not demanding it, no need to get so upset. I haven't shouted down a single argument, you're the only one being aggressive here. It's pretty staggering how upset you are over a different opinion tbh.

I've never seen such projection and actual passive aggressive behaviour like yours before, I'm sorry that I'm not bending the knee to your views. I'm only saying I would like b/c, I never said I demand it, I never said any different opinion is wrong. What people want is subjective, I'm sorry you don't understand this

Try not to be so bent out of shape in future.

@Syttorak
Thanks for the reply, always good to have a discussion with reasonable folks on here!

I think it's fair to say that Sony could provide backwards compatibility for gens earlier than PS4. I'm certainly not an expert, but it feels like the PS5 would have enough grunt to be able to emulate the Cell for PS3 and the Emotion Engine and Reality Synthesiser (those CPU and GPU names aren't ageing that well) for PS2. If the hardware is capable it's just a matter of investing the time and money.

It's interesting the way Sony's approach has changed over the years. The PS2 included the PS1 CPU as an extra chip, so could run previous gen games natively. The original Asian PS3s had the PS2 chips included for full back-compat. When PS3 launched here they'd ditched the hardware solution for a software emulator, which I recall was not great. Later iterations of the PS3 dropped BC altogether. PS4 didn't even attempt any BC, opting for separately priced remasters and PS Now.

I guess they're just taking a calculated risk on how many people will change their purchasing decision based on BC alone. Time will tell if they've judged it right or not. BC is not a big deal for me, but I appreciate that it is significant for a lot of people.

@oldschool1987 You buy up the dead, obscure, and forgotten IPs, work out the legistics of re-licensing games now owned by direct competitors, AND force developers like Activision to fully support their games being forward compatible when the developer has stated they won't be.

MS claims states console is 'capable' of full backwards compatibility.

Activision dev states that their 'service' titles will not be forward compatible.

Sony states that the 'vast majority' of titles will be playable on ps5.

MS lied by ommission and the language they used suggests they knew some developers would not support it. Sony was left either taking the same route or being upfront. MS can claim 'It's not our fault...' and hope fan outrage sways the developers position. Downside, that can burn bridges. It's a gamble they have to take though bc they have never not finished last in the console 'wars.'

@Uoman you make a fair point tbh, but many ps2 classics are available. I'm not expecting thousands straight away, just build on it if possible. Maybe make PS Now the place for it, I'd happily pay for the subscription.

@AdamNovice Thanks ADF, that's pretty much my stance. Im hoping almost all the ps4 games can be played on the PS5 but we will see. Not really holding out for ps1 or ps2 games, they are a little too long in the tooth.

@oldschool1987 PS Now is pretty good, the minor lag can be a factor but it's still better than I expected. There are crashes at Sonys end a little too frequently to say its glitch free but worth buying for 3 months and playing the games.

Very cool! Keep it going Sony!

@djlard that's a terrible example. You own the PS1 FF7 on disc, so you could have put that in the PS3 and played it that way. The PS4 version is a port of the steam remaster, so it's not the same game as the PS1 version, in the same way that any HD remaster isn't the original.

@carlos82 I cant agree more, missed lots of the ps3/360 gen. Played a fair few remaster for ps4 and bought an old 360 for others. Would love to see what portal 2 looks like with hdr or gta4

@R1spam yeah and GTAIV has an unlocked framerate so it would definitely lock to 60 on series X, plus Red Dead Redemption will be available with HDR and presumably double framerate. So series X could play both of those at 4K 60fps with HDR but PS5 will have them playing as PS3 games streamed through PS now. Obviously I want to play new games as well but this is a great way to play old titles and even current gen games could benefit from double framerates like GTAV so I think what Microsoft is doing is very exciting

@Dislecksier Ok even if it's nowhere mentioned it is on ps4 in hd, I accept it. but cannot download it into PSP from disc. I was forced to buy digital copy for ps3 to download to psp.

Better example is Metal Slug Antology, that I also have for ps2 on disc, and ps4 digital version is exactly same port even with Playstation 2 logo.

We Need Backwards Compatibility

@Tharsman trust me, I'm not so high - minded to think that way and I'm always happy to listen to multiple perspectives and change my stance when wrong. In the case of the PS3 and BC, the proof is in the pudding - the removal of the latter had no negative impact on sales (worth noting that only ps2 support was removed).

Additionally I'm a proponent of BC and would be ecstatic if a fully-featured BC function was implemented. At the same time I'm pragmatic enough that if Sony chose to only include the purported ps4 BC and focus the rest of their efforts on ps5 software, I would not feel I'm being hard done by.

Sony screwed up with backwards compact only PS4 only not good enough Sony your just
Arrogant anti consumer again at least Microsoft Xbox boss Phil spencer and his team listening to gamers with backwards compact with Xbox Xbox 360 Xbox one and of course Xbox series x

Jim Ryan said few years back when he was a gran turismo event ps1 ps2 look old why would u play this it’s abit Hypocritical when there PS4 only backwards compact

I want ps1 ps2 ps3 PSP digital and ps vita digital

I’m selling my PS4 pro for cash for the ps5 and Xbox series x as I’m getting both and I be getting those m2 nvme ssd for ps5 and Xbox series x I run old games like Roms on my android phone oppo Reno 2z and download emulators on it and got my self a Bluetooth android controller I’m a hardcore gamer Jim Ryan is what you call a Sony version of don matrick

I still playing fallout 3 and fallout new Vegas on my Xbox one x but not fallout 4 cus is s**t Even though I owe the game digital and disc Ps now to me is a waste of money because is just a crap I woulnt touch ps now with a barge poll version of backwards compact of Xbox’s backwards compact why would I rebuy all my games again when I just insert my Xbox 360 disc in my Xbox one x for free shots fired at Sony

If u wanna play your old ps3 games you have to subscribe to ps now 😂😂😂😂😂😂💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 and if I wanna play my old Xbox 360 games I just stick my games In and the Xbox one x download it for free

@Tharsman agreed but Sony are Arrogant and anti consumer that’s why I’m getting both ps5 for exclusives and Xbox series for backwards compact

@johnny30 no thanks I woulnt tough ps now with a 10 ft bargepoll

@Tharsman I’m done with Sony if no ps1 ps2 ps3 backwards compact this year sorry Jim Ryan I won’t be your oh ps1 ps2 look old why would u play this 😂😂😂😂🙄

@NotSmartEnough ps now is 💩💩💩💩💩💩😂😂😂😂😂 sorry I woulnt tough it with a bargepoll anti consumer

@djlard you can get a brand new ps2 on amazon of u in the uk they sell them for over £200 brand new

@Bistna444

7 consecutive posts. You ok?

@thefirst forza, halo, cuphead, ummm

This is why Sony should follow in Microsoft footsteps. They are doing so many great things this next generation. Still highly disappointed with PS3 not being backwards compatible

@InsertUsername I'm buying Xbox series x so I can play my older games from the 360 days

Most classic games I have fond memories of, loose a lot of appeal, when I play them again. Clunky controls, graphics and mechanics often destroy the loving memory. Happens to me with shenmue, code Veronica, vice city, siren, OG Silent Hill, Splitter Cell and so on.
If most of the PS4 games are backwards compatibile I’m fine with it

@avenovah Thought it said for original Xbox games, too. Very exciting tbh. Could always do with more polished games from last gen. Still a bunch I have on my ps3 that I want to play through.

Older games don't become crap because a new console releases and has shinier graphics. It's funny how many people were elated when PS3 launched with BC who are now saying that it isn't important at all.

Put simply if XboxX supports everything from Xbox to XboxX games and PS5 doesn't even support all PS4 games, then I will almost certainly be going back to Xbox this gen.

Maybe I'll pick up a PS5 used or on a black Friday discount in a few years.

@Heavyarms55
Bigger fool you.

@__jamiie
It's not like the old games have disappeared. They are still there, just buy a PS3 and play them. Why is it a God given right they should be playable in PS5? Because M$ have done it! We all see the mess they've made with Xbox one. And before you say anything, I have and Xbox one X. But I can tell you I'm not playing Xbox exclusives on it or 360 games or even original Xbox games because I'm not into absolute rubbish. M$ would be better to figure out how to release decent exclusive games. Something they haven't done in a very long while, if ever.

@Envy
"Sony should follow in Microsoft footsteps".
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

@tinCAT-zero

'But I can tell you I'm not playing Xbox exclusives on it or 360 games or even original Xbox games because I'm not into absolute rubbish'

That's a really well reasoned and totally non fanboy remark. Grow up.

@__jamiie
Here, hang on a minute. M$ exclusives this gen were average at best and that being kind. I'm not going to tell lies in case it offends someone. This gen I've owned an Xbox one elite console and an Xbox one X. So far the best game I've played on my X was Resident evil 2 and dirt rally because the Xbox one controller is better for racing games

Because I have so little time I decided I was only going to play AAA titles and I still struggle to get through them.
I have a massive backlog of great games to play but those games are all on PS4. Whereas on Xbox one I have a few 3rd party games to play but no exclusives. Just because someone has an opinion different to yours doesn't mean they're a fanboy.

You said that all Xbox One exclusives, 360 games and original Xbox games were 'absolute rubbish'. That's a fanboy comment.

You also use a dollar symbol when referring to Microsoft which is also quite childish.

'360 games aren't great now are they' Why do you talk like your opinion is fact??? I'm not fighting with anyone by the way.

I'm on this site because I own a PlayStation and thankfully am free to do so without your permission.

I also read PUREXBOX and Nintendo Life because I own those consoles too.

A fanboy is someone who blindly follows a brand and makes unreasonable and biased comments based on their attachment to that brand. That doesn't apply to everyone on here. However, it does to you.

@tinCAT-zero Yup, I'm the fool, so why are you wasting your time with me? Buzz off.