Talking Point: Will You Be Buying The Last of Us 2?

No surprises here. Looks bloody brilliant. My pre order was always safe in the bag.

I LOVED the fact there was a vita in it 😃

i'll pre order it soon.
and yes i was always gonna buy it.

what a gameplay showcase yet again!

some interesting story beats with new character for sure.

sammy any word on those new secret infected for let's say 100 bucks?

That was one hell of a gameplay showcase.

Honestly just take my money... this was everything I hoped for and then some.

All i want to see or know is a joel gameplay.from all i see so far it looks good.but a joel gameplay will make the game legendary.word life.word is bond.word to your mother.word ☝ up son

I cannot bloody wait to get violently stabby with Ellie. Looks brill.

@playstation1995 there probably will. ND games do have a thing for secondary playable characters. but don't expect more than 1 chapter though.

Didn't move the needle for me but definitely looks amazing! I really hope every one loves it!!

@Rob_230
Those subtle touches thrown in as well...the Vita, which starts playing the Hotline Miami theme when the earbuds get disconnected in the struggle...it's touches like that that make ND top tier.

I already have it ordered, really enjoyed the SoP but hearing a little of the Hotline Miami soundtrack was great

I will wait 2 years and buy digital at £8.99

The deal was already sealed. It’s just a painfully slow wait to June 19 now.

The gameplay just looks like it did in the first and whilst I have enjoyed Naughty Dog's games I have tired of this formula a little. I'll wait for Ghost of Tshushima

Maybe on a (very) good sale in a few years, but I'm not interested at the moment.

@lacerz yep, completely different class (although would have expected her to be playing golden abyss 😉).

Forget the noise, forget the mud slinging, Naughty Dog are among the best of the business and deserve the support.

it's these little details that make ND best in class.

their games always feel a bit next gen when playing them for the first time.

Similar to Ghost of Tsushima, I was sufficiently whelmed by the presentation. I'm still getting the steelcase editions for both.

How does the ps4 do it. I mean, who needs next gen when we already have these graphics. Makes me wonder what the ps5 might be able to do.

Since my wage has changed from weekly to monthly I need to save this months pay so no the last us part 2 for me just yet, though with July's payday I will get this, ghost of tushima and sword art online alicization lycoris

I mean Spongebob Squarepants Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated is due out on the 23rd so I'm going to have to pass on this one.

I mean it looks great but I just can’t get the leaks out of my mind. The first one to me is a perfect game. I might wait and see what people say

You always put "Yes, I'll preorder". What about "Yes"?

I waited till the first one was 20 quid before I got it and I'll probably wait till this ones 20 quid before I get it

Hell. Yes.
Been had this preordered XD

There was never a doubt. Day 1... it just looks brilliant. Now even more excited for my Art Book

State of Play kept me entertained while waiting for the Dragon launch (or non launch) 🚀

It’s always been a day 1 game for me. Didn’t - and won’t - watch the state of play. Trying to avoid any gameplay videos completely.

@AdamNovice Not had that problem, maybe check your app settings, all mines had reset when the app updated last week, also the amount of adverts that appear in videos now through the app is very frustrating, but thats a youtube thing sadly

@Neolit The Vita is a tank! Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see one working in 30 years if well maintained. Battery life would probably be terrible though.

I've had my pre-order collector's edition since September 2019.

No and that's nothing to do with the leak. It's been a while since I realised the story isnt for me.

Same as GoT, will wait for the PS5 version.

You should put an option on for renting

Looks incredible

So is Hotline Miami canon? Lol. Best part of the entire thing was asian chick getting stabbed in the throat while Hotline Miami music blared out of the Vita. The dog getting torched was pretty next level brutal too

Seems a lot like the last one, which isnt a bad thing as it was brilliant.

I'll hold out, but will get for sure.

I'll wait till is cheap but I'm in no hurry to play it unlike Ghost of Tshushima which is pre-ordered! I'm honestly bored of this formula Naughty Dog has been using since the first Uncharted.

I hope they pull a Guerrilla Games and do something entirely new next gen.

I'm going to wait for reviews due to negative feedback to the leaks, it can't hurt to be cautious. But from what we've seen, the game looks awesome.

I've had the game pre-ordered since they started. Unless my Gamestop is still closed when the game comes out, I plan to get it day one, even with seeing the leaks. My anticipation for it still isn't as high as it was for the first one but I want to see how the story continues.

@Juanalf
Don't see that happening. Naughty Dog's forumula is like the Mario formula. It's familiar but with a slight alteration here or there. The bottomline is, though, the games all review extremely well and sell extremely well. Guerrilla I think had to change it up, Naughty Dog doesn't. I can understand fatigue setting in for some but the big picture doesn't show that at all for most gamers.

Not watching State of Play to begin with - I only tasted the first game after its PS+ arrival, so no point in seeking more spoilers about it than the internet may already causally feed me. But eventually, once I'm through with it, TLoU2 will be on my wishlist, too. On which platform? Only time will tell.

Based on the footage:

PROS

• PS Vita
• Environments are gorgeous, and I'm so glad ND is going further with their "wide linear" level design, which is such an improvement over their claustrophobic last gen games like Uncharted 1 - 3 and the original TLOU
• Ellie seems very nimble, and I like how environments seem more interactive
• This is an impressively realistic looking game. I mean, this was always a given, considering ND's almost obsessive attention to visual detail, but it's still worth acknowledging. Can't believe a game this gorgeous is running on a PS4.

MIXED

• Not sure how I feel about the revenge-based plot. It's an interesting change from the original, but I've found these narratives need to possess an excess of style to work for me.

CONS

• Realistic violence against dogs.
• The level of brutality in general. I get that this is a post-apocalyptic setting, and I'm not inherently averse to media with extreme levels of violence, but this seems needlessly disturbing. The original was violent, of course, but this feels like it borders more on torture porn at times.
• The gameplay still seems to revolve primarily around sneaking around killing mooks. This time in a far more spectacularly violent fashion. Not really a compelling gameplay loop for me.

I think I'm going to pass on this. It looks good for what it is, but I wasn't a fan of the original, and I doubt this will hook me either. Additionally, I don't need for my soul to die every time I have to kill a dog. This game isn't really something I need in my life any time soon.

Will be picking this up. But a day after release. I don’t like preorder bonuses that assist you in the game. Why do they keep giving preorder bonuses of free skill unlocks?

Let me know if this flops, which it probably will

Never was interested.

Sometimes I wonder what type of new formula you guys want @Juanalf @carlos82. Y'know they say don't fix what's not broken. They risk pissin people of if they change the tried, tested and successful formula. It'd be great if you guys could share some interesting new ideas in gameplay formula so we forward it to veteran Devs like ND & R* who already always look like they know what they're doing. @carlos82 I didn't see you complain about the repeated RE2 remake gameplay formula...plus GOT so far looks like AC to me.

BTW I'm not too sure I'll be getting TLOU2 day one but I'm impressed.

Didn't watch it as I don't want to see anything I haven't already. Pre-ordered it a few weeks ago.

Gameplay wise looks a lot like the first one... But with a worse story.
Not interested at all.

I dunno. I find the violence slightly uncomfortable but I'm a bit of a wuss. Joker for example, I found the hyper-violence slightly tacky and physically turned away in the cinema during the scissors scene. I'll get round to it probably and hopefully prices will drop after the PS5 comes out.

Im not preordering. but I will buy it. WHy is that not an option?

Very impressive. Looks like they've greatly expanded the gameplay options. Can't wait to play this one. Only three more weeks to go!

Do bears poo in woods?

Going for the deluxe edition, Neil Druckmann seemed happy about the soundtrack.

I might get it, but Sony has already taught me: wait a year and I’ll be able to buy it for $20 with all DLC included (if there is any DLC). And things being what they are, this might also mean an enhanced PS5 version.

I’m the kind of player that has a huge wall of gaming backlog, it’s very likely I would not even get to playing it until past after its gone on sale for a third of the launch price anyways.

Besides: two plot points aside (near the start and the ending) I didn’t think the first game was that good, personally. Thing is, those two points were indeed darned brilliant. I’m not sure they will be able to replicate that, though. But will get it, with few exceptions, I tend to get most platform exclusives.

Game looks great I canceled my regular edition and pre-ordered the collectors edition.

I could only bring myself to play the first once. Such a story, I didn't want to relive it, just remember it. That being said, I luckily slept on it until I got the PS4 remaster. I'm going to sleep on this until it gets a patch/remaster for PS5 because I'm not going to be able to play it more than once.

Until Sony tells us exactly how PS4 games will work with PS5, I will be waiting. Will we be provided with a patch that completely opens the game up for PS5 or will we have to buy an alternate version/disc to get the best possible version once PS5 is out? That's what I want to know on this (and Ghost of Tsushima).

Why is there not a poll option for yes, i will buy. Lol. It goes from preorder to wait til it's cheap .

@Neolit my NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 and PS1 all would like a word lol jk.

Nope. The Last Of Us II's fate was sealed after the leaks, including Naughty Dog's, SONY and Musso's repeated and still continued anti-consumer behavior and abuse of YouTube's DMCA policy levying false copyright strikes on creators channels that have any negative criticisms about the game. I also work part-time in a game store that's privately owned that sells new,used games and consoles and we will not be carrying The Last Of Us II for numerous reasons unless someone orders it. I wasn't really surprised Neil Druckman managed to ruin the story with his personal political views and beliefs, it's what these people do regardless of it killing the over all sales of the games just as long as it receives the right check marks from all the blue haired, blue check mark people. Damn the fans and how dare they, the fans of a particular franchise be upset for ruining a good franchise with politics and forced diversity agendas. Sure, The Last Of Us II will still sell well but nowhere near what they would like it to. This game may very well go down as one of the worst mishandled games in a long time and rightfully so. It was marred from the start allowing Anita Sarkeesian to even step into the studio and spew her feminazi poison and input. The terrible looking characters say much about the creative and political direction that's been forced into the games character design. The plot and story are also laughable as well. Sadly, this is what fans get after the long wait. A sequel loaded with forced SJW politics, beloved characters disrespected in an awful manner to push that so called progressive political agenda and a huge fist to the faces of the TLOU fans. Yes, leaks suck but this is one leak I was glad I seen before handing the rest of my money to Naughty Dog for this mess. I canceled my Pre-order for the collector's edition as I just can't support this game or people like Neil Druckman, along with the shady, underhanded dirty bullying DMCA takedowns they pulled on creators using fair use material on YouTube. Sigh ...maybe one day these activists posing as game developers and writers will finally get it.

@Hordak “ Until Sony tells us exactly how PS4 games will work with PS5, I will be waiting.”

So much this. I have put absolutely all my PS4 game purchases on half until we hear more about this.

I understand the gameplay in the first game wasn't as smooth as you'd expect. But when I got used to it, it was fine for me. The mechanics worked fine once I was in tune with it.

The tense vibe either when you were going against humans or 'zombies' really got me on my toes at times.

All I see is an upgraded version, in every sense. The gruesome fighting is even better. Ellie is smaller and swifter, she brings new mechanics to the gameplay. Areas are huge (open world enough to use a horse), enemies wiser (I'm gonna kill dogs man).

I won't buy day one, because I'm broke. Last pre order was RDR2 (worth it). So now I'll probably only buy games on amazing sales. So yeah, LoU2, Ghost, Cyberpunk, and even Control and The star wars game are all for 2021 anyway.

I don't know yet....Played the 1st one and honestly, I don't know what's all the fuzz about it. Had decent story, but lousy gameplay. This one looks amazing visually, but the gameplay doesn't look promising at all.

Didn't vote on the first one because I am neither pre-ordering it, nor am I waiting for a sale. I am just going to buy the game.

@nhSnork Completely agree with you. Didn't watch state of play for the same reasons. Just going to get it on PS5 like all other titles coming out between now and then.

Hmm, I’ll probably get it next year or something... Played the first one thought it was a good story but gameplay wise nothing amazing, never understood the hype or maybe I was just expecting more due to what everyone says. But I’ll admit I struggle to get motivated to play story games. I just find them so boring sometimes.

AUUUGH! Gotta get a new PS4, or wait until the PS5! Mine makes too much noise, consarnit!!!

@Royalblues This trailer shows the gunfight and combat system, but Nintendo fanboys still say is cinemanic game LOL.
Then I want to say that Nintendo games are all childish trash games.

I love how all these people.... supposedly r waiting or not buying this game. Yeah right ....we all believe u...LMFAO!!!!! Probably half of them r posers from xbone anyway!!

I was always going to buy the game, I don't need anyone or any events to convince me 😃

Of course I'll be buying it, it's actually already pre-ordered, and I still haven't watched the SoP. Unlike the majority of mouth-breathers and self-entitled *****, I was smart enough to avoid all spoilers and leaks. And even if I have seen something, not only am I smart enough to know it's severely out of context, but to not be so short-sighted as to judge an entire experience on something so brief. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who was turned off by the leaks is simply far too immature and lacking intelligence, so they were probably better off not getting the game.

"Hey, the sign on that steakhouse is only half lit, that must mean the entire meal and dining experience is obviously not worth my time and money", that's what the small, albeit loud, negative community sounds like. Go put your dunce cap on, sit in the corner, and shut the hell up while actual gamers enjoy a well crafted, authentic, emotional experience. You'll grow up one day

I’ve already paid for mind just need it to be delivered the story leaks to which I have seen don’t put me off even the slightest it can be done perfectly right and naughty dog are the ones that could do it but it can also be done wrong and I could end up hating parts of the story but that doesn’t take away anything from the amazing visuals and gameplay and parts of the storyline that I will definitely like which there will definitely be some just how much.

I have seen the leaks and I just don't see the political bull everyone is screaming about. This is a game about the cold embrace of revenge. I'm not defending the story not because it seems good or bad but because it would be foolish to do so without context. What I did get out of what I saw was the game brings you emotionally where you don't want to go...it's a gutsy move and I give it credit for that. I'm very excited and cautious but I feel the "woke" b.s. is being used as a easy out for people that don't want vulnerability in their power fantasy. The biggest progressive idea here is a lesbian main character and if that's a problem well... it's 2020 and Ellie is how I like representation in my games because she feels like a person...not a stereotype but that's just my feeling, and you’re entitled to yours. I’m not a political guy, as I think the Democratic and Republican parties are both horrible and do crooked stuff. I hate politics in games, but I am open minded enough to accept and enjoy art with political undertones as long as they don't betray and overwhelm the art. I do get why people might see that here but I think it's misplaced. Anyways though, I was always going to buy the game. The leaks didn’t change that for me one bit. As a matter of fact, I’m ready for my preload to start on the 12th, then the following week the plant I work at is shut down, which also happens to be the week of release! I’m gonna play and love every harrowing moment this game throws at me! The wait has been agonizing, and nothing or nobody is gonna kill my anticipation for this game!

@GoblinKing86 Well said brother, well said! 💪🏻

@Ralizah Lol I will never understand the "Killing dogs" complaint.

I already paid for it months ago. So...yeah, I guess I'm getting it.

@Ralizah lol are you for real? Violence against dogs?!!!?? Haha. It's a brutal post apocalyptic world ellie finds herself in. With two cultists factions trying to abuse and or kill her using dogs to hunt her down and rip her to shreds if they get hold of her . You talk like ellie randomly walks into crufts or the battersea dogs home in real life and for no apparent reason stared throwing ahand grenades and molotovs at at orphaned puppies.......understand the survivor subject matter of the game ffs!!. Those fictional dogs have been trained to RIP a humans throat out on sight. What do you expect ellie to do, pet them and treat them to bowl of chappie!!!

just like the first part, im just gonna chill and enjoy the walkthrough on youtube with no commentary. those type of games do not attract me as player because they are just movies with some gameplay.
i dont care to try to play a game only to deal with huge huge story and lots and lots of cinematic visuals. i like my games fast pace ol' school arcade frantic action, baby!
BUT, i will enjoy watching the walkthrough though, as it is just like a movie

@Skoda That's an insane way to look at it. But okay. The first game had hours of gameplay. I could see this argument being made with games like Until Dawn and Heavy Rain, but this? No. Having good cutscenes doesn't make it less interactive. Lmfao. Jesus.

@AdamNovice
Wasn't she playing hotline Miami?
I thought I recognized the music.
🤔🤔

@Tanwolly dont feed the troll

@Skoda well the last of us part 2 movie is certainly more promising than any current xbox exclusive. Be thankful for what you got.brother. imagine having to wait 5 years for another trash installation in the washed halo franchise.

@LN78 thanks for echoing my entire post. Without even acknowledging. It

@LN78 not looking for props. Was just saying I agree with you. Or was it you agreeing with me🤔....Maybe it just goes to show the mentality in here. ........react first read later.....🤔

I will definitely buy it, but I’m not sure it’ll be at launch.
I had to chose between TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima, and I decided to go with the later.
And after that is Cyberpunk 2077 on September so TLOU2 will probably have to wait until Christmas or maybe sometime next year...
I’m finding the gameplay a bit too brutal for my tastes... I don’t know... or I just might buy it on launch and worry about the credit card bill later...

@TheArt I said I was a little tired of this formula, RE2 was a remake of a game I've loved since the late 90's so I don't get the comparison. As for Ghost and AC, the latter is more a straight up action rpg these days, where as in Ghost you can kill enemies in one hit without numbers getting in the way.

Naughty Dog have a very successful formula and no they shouldn't change it but its also one I'm not excited about anymore that's all. I really enjoyed the original and its dlc for their story as much as anything but I really don't like the direction this story is heading, even without the spoilers

By the way, don't scroll up if you haven't seen the leaks

@LN78 point proven.

@LN78 "react first read later" if you had read my post then you would understand my "point"🤝

@Tanwolly Cry about it with the rest of the whiners. Also, you’re comment is probably getting flagged for spoilers. Congrats 😂

@LN78 oh so you have only just now read their posts. Thanks for yet again proving my point!!🤦‍♂️

Captain's Log, Stardate 12005.28. I appear to have somehow unknowingly shifted into a mirror universe closely aligned with my own where people hate domesticated dogs (refer to "Canis familiaris" within the Starfleet database). The mere act of mentioning that I didn't want to inflict gruesome violence on realistic depictions of these historically beloved companion animals in a video game made me the subject of a bizarre shaming ritual by certain visitors to a hobbyist web community. More study of this incredible phenomenon is required.

@LN78" salient" Pretentious. Much?lol embarrassing. Do you use that word much on 10 downing st???

@LN78 I've read all the posts here and have no idea what his point is meant to be, apart from him supporting someone putting spoilers and bashing Xbox for no apparent reason

@LN78 being ignorant and pretending to have a vocabulary. Is embarrassing.

@LN78 obfuscation will not work with me. You're as transparent as a glass of water.

@LN78 Fair enough.

Fun fact: there's actually a pretty comprehensive site out there that maintains a list of "emotional spoilers" for people who don't want to encounter certain types of triggering content in their media.

The URL of the website, I think, speaks for itself.
https://www.doesthedogdie.com/

Now, if it's a semi-common occurrence for people to not want to watch movies where a dog dies, is it really that surprising that someone might not want to play a game where they shoot, stab, burn, etc. incredibly realistic looking dogs?

It's worth making a further distinction, since you bring up the presence of extreme violence against humans as well. There's a difference in my mind between shooting a selfish/psychopathic/deranged human who has chosen to act evilly and a dog that has been trained by psychopaths to hurt, main, and kill people. The dog is fundamentally innocent, and is operating according to pure conditioning on the part of its human master(s). The violence enacted by the dog, then, is merely an extension of its owners will, instead of a reflection of the animal's own will.

The human, some might say, has "eaten of the fruit." The dog hasn't. So, on an emotional level, shooting a dog in a video game is rather like shooting a baby. And even if babies could be trained to jump on people and maul them to death, I don't know that I'd like to engage in the activity of violently snuffing them out if they were rendered with sufficient realism.

You also bring up the fact that the violence isn't real. Which is very true. The pixel dogs aren't co-extensive with real flesh-and-blood animals. But I'm willing to bet there are actions you wouldn't be comfortable performing in a game, even though they're not real. SOMETHING out there ticks your "do not want" box. And once you acknowledge this, you're also forced to acknowledge that, despite them not being real, fictional behaviors can still be disturbing or uncomfortable for real people to perform.

@LN78 lol. Continue your love affair with google search bar. Sincerely embarrassed for you.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'll wait until the PS5 is a cheap console to buy with some of the exclusives, so it might take years before I play this game. I guess the wait will be worth it.

Captain's Log, supplemental. Two of the visitors to the hobbyist website were furiously debating about who should be credited with the honor of having initiated the ritual, which has now devolved into petty bickering about who is and isn't making use of florid language. Apparently eloquence, like dogs, has become hated by the residents of this universe. Further study and interaction will continue.

@LN78 Like I said, if you can think of something you'd be uncomfortable doing in a video game (regardless of what the actual point of the video game is), then you should be able to transfer that to my situation and understand why I might be uncomfortable with the slaughter of realistically rendered dogs in a video game.

@LN78 what do you do for a living? Surely a man or your Insurmountable intellect, shouldn't be hanging around gaming forums . I look forward to hearing you speak alongside boris Johnson this evening.🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

@LN78 point proven

@LN78 cant wait for tlou2. Dogs n all. Let me me know what u think of it.🤝 be sure to to get boris Johnsons opinion too, after you beat him at trivial pursuit 🤦‍♂️

@LN78 Three things.

1) It's obviously not about being able to distinguish between what is real and what isn't. One can find something disturbing, saddening, repulsive, etc. even if one consciously acknowledges that something isn't real. This is why people can watch a movie and become emotionally invested in what happens. It's about empathy. It's why art exists and is meaningful.

2) You then go on to make an argument that any discomfort experienced is a part of the "artistic design" of the game. Which, to some extent, is obviously true. But designers cannot account for disparities in emotional reactions to something. It's very possible that the people who designed the game might be as baffled by the idea of people not wanting to kill realistically-rendered dogs as you apparently are.

3) Even if something is a part of the "artistic design" of the game, it doesn't mean someone is obligated to take on the burden of that artistic experience. If someone like me doesn't really think there's some greater transcendent epiphany to be had by slaughtering digital canines, then it makes no sense to subject myself to that. I'll watch some things if it means dealing with dog violence. I love John Carpenter's The Thing, even though everything related to the scene where the alien assimilates a group of dogs in a kennel deeply upsets me. Crucially, though, I'm not having to actually destroy the dogs myself. I can look away (and usually do), and the film goes on regardless.

In the case of video games, I can usually tolerate dog violence if there's some highly speculative element to it. I don't necessarily mind killing zombie dogs in Resident Evil games, for example. Those creatures have transformed to the point where they barely resemble the creatures Ellie is apparently tasked with dispatching in TLOU Part II.

@Ralizah would you hurt a pit bull terrier if it got lock jaw on your leg if it meant saving your limb?

@DavLFC Of course I would. And I obviously understand why Ellie would kill dogs threatening her life in the game.

But I would still feel TERRIBLE if I had to do this.

Y'all don't seem to understand the difference between me not wanting to kill dogs in a video game (the playing of which is a deeply non-essential act) and me condemning a character in a video game for killing dogs to save herself (which nobody has done, because that'd be stupid).

@LN78 Would you have issues shooting small children in a video game? Or, if you wouldn't, would you be able to understand why someone else would?

@Neolit I don't think its mad that a Vita was still working I've still got a Mega Drive that's in working order and it's taken some real hammer over the years

I won't pre order it, but yes. At some point I will.

@LN78 Not my point.

We've established that you would feel uncomfortable slaughtering children in a video game. I presume this would also apply to a "child soldier" scenario, where the child is actively trying to kill you?

Now, let me ask you another question: would you feel uncomfortable slaughtering a mutated monster that was child-like in stature? Think about the small monsters you can kill in the elementary school in Silent Hill 1, if you've played that.

All you donkeys that have seen the leaks basically get a life. Some of you even think Naughty dog owe you something. Idiots.
Don't buy the game.

@Neolit I can deal with fairly extreme violence in my games, but the level of cruelty on display here is a bit much for me. I've felt that way since seeing that teaser where the cultists were using hammers to break peoples' fingers and arms and whatnot. Frankly, it's just not fun. And maybe that's "the point," that violence shouldn't be fun, but why bother playing the game, then? I play games to enjoy myself, not to masochistically torture myself with horrifying violence.

Same reason I've lost my previous appetite for exploitation films where the whole point someone being tortured and murdered. It's not enjoyable for me.

@LN78 Would you be comfortable killing child soldiers, then? No judgment. I'm just curious.

@Neolit yeah I guess they should have used a Game Boy instead those are pretty much indestructible but I think Ninty might have had some issues

@Neolit Oh please. There have been numerous studies done on this already that show that violence in video games, and violence in real life bear no significant correlation.

If your personal sensibilities make you feel uncomfortable, that's one thing, but please don't assume that just because you think it's "too realistic", that everyone else who plays this game and can just enjoy the same as any number of horror movies with just as much violence or gore without any significant difference to their psyche.

It's been around for years before video games, it will be around in the future. I get that people find it too much, that's fine, but don't pull the bs card trying to state that it affects the whole population the same way in terms of conscious or subconscious, cause it just ain't so.

@LN78 If killing children or children soldiers would bother you, but not slaying child-shaped monsters, then you should have your answer as to why killing realistic dogs bothers me, but killing zombie dogs doesn't. One is clearly situated in fantasy. The other could happen, and resembles reality.

As you say, context is key.

Spec Ops is a special case. As is something like Undertale. Both games deconstruct the game design of their respective genres to highlight how the player is conditioned to react with instinctive and/or obedient violence. TLOU Part II is doing nothing of the sort by making the player kill dogs. If anything, they're including dogs to require the player to approach combat more strategically.

It bothers me. It doesn't bother you. Both reactions are fine. Art is experienced emotionally, not rationally. After all, there is absolutely nothing rational about becoming invested in the lives of people who don't exist in the first place.

@Number09 Exactly! I don't think I've wanted a game enough to spend £60 on it. Wait a couple of years and you'll get it for a tenner. The only game I ever buy a game day one is PES each year because I'm a sucker for having a new football game every season.

Did anyone else receive that scary email from best buy today?? My collectors edition might be delayed and order cancelled if it's not fulfilled by June 4th. Aww man whyyyy 😫

@LN78 Depends. Are they just infected dogs, or are they utterly transformed, like people in the late stages of infection by the virus? If they're mutated fungus dogs, then they're just monsters at that point, like clickers, bloaters, etc.

I'm going to kill as many dogs as possible in TLOU2 if I need to.

@Neolit No conflating, to quote:

"And before people here start with "it's imaginary, no one real dies" I have news for you: your brain perceives things consciously and subconsciously"

This is you trying to make your opinion appear more factually viable, when the information you've written is completely subjective. This is not an all encompassing viewpoint, even though you've attempted to make it so.

And lastly, try to avoid applying the "kid" label to anyone who disagrees with your commentary on a public forum, it doesn't do anything except show your own immaturity.

State of play footage is nothing but absolutely impressive. Still, I will wait for reviews of the game.

Considering how ND and Sony attempted to illegally bully small youtubers into submission for even TALKING about the leaks (which i believe was not picked by the bigger media houses). I am very much disinclined to make a day 0 new purchase. I'd rather get second hand.

Even more so <<IFFFF>> this game has been sacrificed on the altar of SJW agendas. Which, according to Druckmann himself, seems to be the case.

@Neolit Nice backpedal attempt. Trying to make light of it, and turning the attention on me with an attempt at belittlement.

It's ok, i get it, I caught you out on your BS, just try to not to do it in the future, so you can avoid embarassment.

Won't be playing TLoU2, too scary for me! I played some of the first one but I'm too much of a scaredy cat with those types of games. I don't like being jumped etc. I like to relax when playing a video game, not get all stressed!

I'm sure it's brilliant though!

Probably not, initially. I found the first game outstanding, but harrowing in its themes. I played the game to completion once, which was enough for me. Not sure Im up to play this new one at the moment, but will plan to try the game down the line, certainly. Enjoying the laid back pace of Snow Runner at the moment.

@Neolit Yeah, its great. Had an annoying glitch though where my expensive customised off road truck vanished. Seems its a fairly common problem, so Im hoping they patch it. Perhaps dont quit the game with your truck close to you garage, seems that can cause this glitch.

I should really get around to playing the first as I have to admit the second looked really good.

... Y'know when it wasn't uncomfortable with the violence 😂

@Ralizah I actually get what you mean in regards to dogs. Unless it is the dog from Duck Hunt (he can go die anyday), I really feel uncomfortable with seeing a dog hurt or being killed.I can play games where that happens but I totally understand why that would put you off. Admittedly I have not watched TLOU2 gameplay so I am unsure how violent it is but heck, I get put off killing a dog in Skyrim. Ninja Gaiden 3 was probably the worst one for me when it came to dogs.

It is funny, I don't mind dismemberment of the human characters but do it to a dog and I'm out.

@Neolit. Why you not buying the last of us part 2.i know you love the first game.word up son

@Neolit No, I've not tried the online, but I have heard the same with disappearing gear. Even so, I have one other truck and hopefully they fix it. Certainly, its more the type of game I want to play at this moment in time over The Last of Us 2.

@tomassi Day 1 edition PES for me too play it everyday and the Euro Dlc on its way well worth the money. We are into year 3 of Adams plan so 2021 PES could be better.

@carlos82 Knowing you, you're still gonna buy it day one and probably leave it unfinished 😆
Thanks for the warning.

@Neolit Yea that's the problem, Uncharted is a breeze to play but TLOU is just too intense somewhat. It was very unsettling playing the first one, especially where bloaters were concerned, and now there's even more horrifying enemies.

@Neolit Yep, pretty much my thought! I did play Terminator Resistance lately though as was on sale. Was fun as a budget game, as a fan of the first two movies.

@Neolit. Theres something off about this that im not excited as the first one.like i said before .all i want is a joel gameplay.dont want to play as ellie the whole game.word up son

@Number09 hopefully PES 2021 on PS5 will be awesome. I love the game, and the amount of DLC they add each year is impressive, but I just wish they would update the editing suite, I just can't handle the generic player faces. They're so bad!!

I'll wait for the PS5 version

This was a day one, but the Covid 19 situation has changed things a bit. I wasn't exactly John Rockafeller before, but now I'm having to watch the pennies a bit more carefully. So this may become a wait-for-a-sale situation, unless I can get together enough games to trade in

Yes, I have already pre ordered & paid for it through my “Game“ App.
I will always reward a developer that has put some proper graft in.😉👍
Also I’m the biggest animal lover you will find, however With the dogs being killed & it being an animal cruelty thing..... I would imagine that we are not going to be killing little cute poodles. 😳These animals I think will be a type of hunting attack dogs, which you will need To only kill if it’s ragging your arm off. Also it’s probably possible that you can find ways of avoiding killing most things & any animals. This journey will be as brutal as you the gamer allow it to be. 🤔
As far as the clickers go. I will shoot them in the face and ask questions later😉

I'll be waiting for the inevitable PS5 version.

@DavLFC they don’t get lockjaw. Stop it with your effin bs and the pit bull types. Idiocy!

@TheArt I don't have that many unfinished games, honest 😂

I'll probably pick this up in a sale but not at launch, I've spent far too much on retro games this month

There should`ve been a option for people who already pre-ordered the game before this state of play.

@KratosMD You are out of your mind if you think this gameplay is the same as TLOU part 1.

@carlos82 Oh I know you Carlos, once the internet chatter and hype sets in days to launch you won't be able to resist, you'd buy it on a whim. I'm not even sure I'm getting it myself but I want it bad same time.

I think the spoilers will affect the sales quite hard, but it won't affect the review scores so expect a lot of salt on release because this game is going to receive a lot of critical acclaim.

Had a quick look through the video, and this game isn't for me. Post-apocalyptic survival games are a tough sale for me at the best of times, and this one is no different. The violence also seems a bit much for my tastes.

Cannot wait!!! Awesome 👏

cannot wait to play it!! loved that Ice Cube Track in there Today Was a Good Day

comments from people trying to play the knob jockeys it has put me off it looks like the same jog on with that rubbish god bet deep down you feel even stupid saying it.

The game looks amazing and wonderful. Just because a vita was in the demo people are banging on about it.
It would be great if it was a hint for a Vita 2 a more powerful console that could play ps4/ps5 games by connecting to your console or downloading/shareing the game to play on the move.

Pre ordered last year 👍 I played this game on PS3 and again on PS4, no doubt I'll play it on PS5 too 😎

As much as I would like to purchase day one. I have such a big backlog of games, that it would be a bit silly and wasteful. So I'll hold out for a better price. It is at the top of my 'most wanted' games list.

Ellie "Do you remember me? Yeah you remember me..." My wallet "Do you remember me? Yeah you remember me..."

@Royalblues Same here. A mate of mine kept raving on about how brilliant the first one was, and that I had to buy it. I struggled to finish it, due to also finding it really boring.

I notice that you mention that you haven't liked any of Sony's cinematic titles, this gen'. I can go one better; I haven't liked the majority of Sony's exclusive offerings this gen'. God of War was more God of Bore for me, and I never finished it. The same goes for that one where you play as a girl killing dinosaur robots (I can't even remember what it's called, it made such an insignificant impact). However, I did enjoy their previous Killzone game at launch.

When I read people defending the PS5's slower spec', when compared to the competition, by stating "It's all about the games", "Sony exclusives are the best thing since sliced bread", etc, etc, it has zero effect on my purchase decision making.

I was already going to buy this game, since I loved the first one. But after watching that State of Play, it really sold me. The lush environments, the new traversal mechanics, the enemy A.I. and the brutal realism of all the details that they have put in this game really makes this title something else. Hopping the story will be almost as good as the first. Cheers and happy gaming to us all.

I’m skipping this one. The Last of Us wrapped up perfectly in my opinion. It made it’s statement and left it’s ending up to our imagination. Any continuation of the story would take away from the first game.

I'll wait for PS5 version on sale

"Will you purchase Last of Us 2?"

...200 furious comments about grammar and killing virtual dogs.

Btw, no, I will wait for it to sale.

@Royalblues No need to apologise to me, and for what it's worth, your original comments didn't come across as you being a jerk, when I read them. Instead, it came across as someone who knows their own mind, and is not afraid to politely state it (even when in a potentially hostile environment). Those are character qualities which I admire in a person.

@Ralizah
Hey Ralizah, huge dog person here. Also, there's nothing wrong w/ not buying a game you don't feel you wanna play, I don't understand what's so controversial.

Out of pure curiosity, do you find violence against dog in COD4/COD6/COD:MW hard to swallow? I love dogs but somehow doesn't even feel a bit guilty about murdering all those dogs in cold blood. Is it me or COD's take on dog isn't realistic enough to trigger an emotional response?

@panzermesiter74 You have every right to feel upset about a particular game, but as someone soooooo concerned with cOnSuMeR rIgHtS and whatnot, isn't it ironic that you just gonna make the decision to pull the game from the shelf and hide it from all your customers? Whatever beef you have ND notwithstanding, shouldn't your customers be expecting to see a game that everyone's talking about?

@TasteOfMetal No idea. My interest in Western AAA games is limited to the output of a few specific publishers.

And, anyway, I feel like the dog thing has taken a life of its own. It's not like I've never killed a dog in a game before, or sit around crying when I do. The level of violence in TLOU Part II already disturbed me, and the fact that dogs are another enemy you can brutally kill just stood out to me in particular, since I don't like highly realistic violence against animals. I'll do it if I have good reason to and can be quick with it (i.e. hunting animals in RDR or Far Cry 4 for resources), but it's not something I'm fond of.

The first was ok nothing outstanding not what it's hyped up to be

@Ralizah That's fair. Though I do want to point out that you can choose not to kill the dogs (and human enemies) if you are skilled enough.

I somehow feel that the realistic depiction of violence in video games provides a chance for all of us to contemplate the nature of violence. When playing TLOU1, I always feel cherished in that I am experiencing all these violence in games, not in real life, and it makes me think about what ppl in warzone (Afghan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia) have to go through. And I think this angle is what ND has in mind in the first place with this title.