Microsoft bigwig Phil Spencer is not a big fan of timed exclusives, but his company announced plenty of them for the Xbox Series X this week. A large chunk of its press conference was dominated by so-called “console launch exclusives”, which means they’ll deploy day-and-date on Xbox and PC, but contractual obligations will keep them off the PlayStation 5 for a designated period of time.
It’s nothing new, and we’re all familiar with the business practice because it’s one Sony is notorious for dabbling in as well. Final Fantasy VII Remake is a high-profile example of how the Japanese giant is willing to plump up bags full of paper in order to keep a title off a competing console. The difference here, then, is that the manufacturer has never explicitly spoken out against the practice.
Spencer, unfortunately, has. Speaking about DLC marketing deals a couple of years back, he said: “Paying marketing funds so another consoles base can't play a piece of content doesn't feel like growth.” When called out for his comments, he added: “[I] never said Xbox has never done this. [I’m] not calling out others, [it’s] just not practice I like, that's it.”
More recently, the executive appeared to imply that Sony’s approach to PS5 exclusives is anti-consumer. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to […] lock people away from being able to experience those games,” he said. “Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about.”
While the suit has, perhaps purposefully, never called out “console launch exclusives” explicitly, his comments do appear to contradict his company’s actions. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 is not talking about PS5 right now, but a later release hasn’t been ruled out. The same is true of The Medium, and Warhammer 40K Darktide.
Tetris Effect: Connected is an interesting case, as the core title is already available on PS4, but fans will have to wait until next year for the multiplayer update. And, of course, while it wasn’t part of the recent Xbox Games Showcase, it does seem like the PS5 version of Yakuza: Like a Dragon is being held hostage by a Microsoft marketing deal.
All of this is business as usual, of course, and we’re certainly not arguing that Sony is a saint when it comes to these kind of shenanigans. Project Athia, for example, was recently described as being ‘Designed for PS5’, which is arguably more misleading than anything Microsoft has said. The difference here, though, is that PlayStation, to our knowledge, has never actively spoken out against its business methods.
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Very fair article about the double speak here by Microsoft. I'm not a fan of timed exclusives, however with the rhetoric before the showcase I was very surprised at how many timed games there were.
Sony definitely are guilty of this too, but they didn't commit the mistake of drawing attention to it pre event.
Oh well... Rather timed exclusives than Microtransactions everywhere this gen....
i mean phil has been contradicting himself for a while now. even the series x is contradicting itself with raw power but locking it's potential behind current gen harware.
his most recent interviews was just throwing shade at sony because he knew the xbox event would not match the ps5 event. simply because they started focusing on exclusives way to late resulting in nothing of worth in the first years of next gen. why else would he first invest all that money in exclusive studios,only to come out and say that locking people out is anti consumer? because none of his "mic drops" are ready yet and is trying to save his face.
Look if you are against dont do or dont talk about that you are against it. I makes you sound like a twofaced liar.
Microsoft doesn’t like paying bag loads of money to developers to have a games exclusive to the Xbox for a year. Unfortunately many developers do like receiving large sums of money to be timed console exclusive particularly if it’s a lot of money and a short period of time. Whilst Sony and Nintendo continue the practice to not do so would be commercial suicide. But they’re probably right in thinking that if all three just stopped then everyone would make higher profits. Apart from those developers who are getting loads of money for console timed exclusive’s.
As the saying goes, make sure your house is in order before criticising.
Phil only just said the other day about being locked to a certain console but isn't some of xbox's games only on xbox series x? He really has no idea what planet he is on.
I doubt Spencer ever contradicted himself. Not his style at all. 🤓
I think it's hypocrite for microsoft to says they don't like timed exclusives but still do it anyway. Granted sony also do this, but I don't think sony ever says they don't like it.
Phil saying he thinks exclusives are counter productive to the industry doesn't dismiss their current necessity. Every last article this site has posted dealing with the xbox over the last couple years always includes comments about the lack of exclusives. Just because Phil doesn't like them doesn't mean he's going to ignore that the community does.
Side note — everyone who has used pc inclusion to dismiss xbox exclusives shouldn't be bothered by this either.
Soapbox over.
He was never talking about games coming to PS5 or other platforms. He's always been talking about not having a dramatic generational shift between Xbox One and Series X out of the gate
I love when things come around and hit you right in the head talking about timed exclusives and then THE ONLY thing they have to show is...timed exclusives lol
Still recovering from how utterly plain and last gen Halo Infinite looked.
Alternate headline: "So that's how it feels to be at the wrong end of the treatment".
I personally don't care if they speak out about it and do the opposite, or not. Simply engaging in the practice is enough to annoy me and the crux of the matter.
Quick side note that also annoys me are the fanboys that will praise (Sony website so we're using that as an example) Sony for securing timed exclusives but then turn around and complain when Microsoft do the same thing.
@AlexSora89 Personally, I'm only really interested in The Medium so none of this affects me. But the article acknowledges that Sony does this as well. It's more about how Microsoft seems to contradict itself a lot.
@AlexSora89 Standing ovation.gif
Better than I could come up with.
To be honest, I have been confused about Microsoft's marketing message on things for some time now.
We dont like timed exclusives. We have lots of exclusives. Now we have lots of timed exclusives. We won't force you to upgrade but most of the exclusive say Series X only and the official statement that Kotaku is stating is that it is up to the Dev to support XB1 for the next 2 years - even some titles that used to say XB1 (Everwild I think) now state XB Series X.
I think this is damaging to MS - I know where I am with PS5. I buy it, I get games designed for it by Sony and other developers.
As for timed exclusives - Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo... I don't like the practice for 2 reasons. One, it doesn't engender brand loyalty, I'll just wait if I can't play on the system I want and two, I feel it damages the hype and anticipation for a big launch. Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 wasn't exciting because the game was out there when it launched on PS4.
Only thing I was curious about was STALKER 2!
It might just be that if they didn't cough up for the timed exclusives then Sony would have and Xbox would have no third party launch games 🤷♂️
@ralphdibny Then they shouldn't speak out against the practice they're also engaging in.
@get2sammyb just playing devils advocate here!
@get2sammyb I don’t think he said he disliked it as a practice, I think he said he disliked as means to grow the install base. (He literally said it was because it didn’t feel like growth.)
Xbox one relied way too heavily on timed exclusives and little else. This time around, they have the timed exclusives, but also dumping a ton of resources on true exclusives.
On the context it “ps5 exclusives” he was clear he wasn’t talking about keeping those games PS only, but instead about keeping games like Miles Morales as PS5 only indeed of also making them PS4. After all, that game is just a content expansion to a PS4 game.
@Rudy_Manchego I probably accept timed exclusives if it was a new IP tho let the devs and publishers decide if they want to remain on that platform or go multi-plat and the Tomb Raider exclusivity is weird why would a franchise WHICH LEGACY IS TIED TO PLAYSTATION GO TO XBOX its like if Mass Effect went to exclusivity on PS not on Xbox
I hate timed exclusives on any game or dlc on any platform. Its an outright rubbish business practice.. but dear god the hypocrisy and arrogance coming from Phil "the gamer" Spencer takes it to a whole new level really. I hope some games journalist throws all these comments back at him sometime.
It’s the AAA studio first party games that really count with console sales overall,
So I don’t care. That’s why after lasts nights extremely underwhelming show case, a PS5 will be preordered very soon.
Only exclusives should be first party exclusives. But even then, there are games like Minecraft that are owned by ms and yet appears on everything.
There's also Phil Spencer talking about not forcing generations on consumers, but now it's looking like Microsoft is going to be forcing generations on consumers. Typical Microsoft doublespeak. Of course, the major issue is that nothing they've shown looks like a generational leap...or a minor step forward.
https://kotaku.com/microsoft-walks-back-promise-to-make-its-games-cross-ge-1844484364
EDIT: To be fair, Microsoft did say that they would support cross gen for the first two years past the Series X launch, and since the majority of their games shown were just CGI trailers similar to Scalebound, it could be that those games are way outside that two year window.
I owned an Xbox and a 360 but haven’t seen a game that’s made me want to buy a One or Series X, which kinda sucks.
@Caliburn08 The first Tomb Raider was originally a Sega Saturn game that was ported to PlayStation. They’ve been most successful on PlayStation but were never exclusives.
Nice article. Noone denies Sony hasn't engaged in third party tie-ins...moreso AAA DLC deals & occasional games. But Saint Gamer Phil rarely,(that old article was 2016?),gets called out on his double talk. Third party exclusives & paywalling are anti-gamer...yet M$ have clearly been tying up stuff like Tetris Effect,newest Yakuza XBX update,Phantasy Star,& a few indies including the ex-Quantic Dream...further back we had Witcher 3 XBX update & Tomb Raider on his watch too.
And not forgetting the previously indie third party studio spending spree that are now beavering away as next gen 1st party projects but will probably have to take a Sea of Thieves route & launch earlier with the promise of live content updates,& nostalgia mtx skins/dlc.
Seems like this is targeted to fill those gaps...but we'll never hear Phil admit it. Just like how they're quietly killing their current gen consoles or Live Gold,(& games with gold),in the name of gamepass. You're the same as your competitors Phil,just own up to it.
I think if we all take a look at ourselves we will find we are all guilty of being a hypocrite............Mr Spencer is in the company of many.
@Number09 "I hear you're a racist now father!" 😂 Great profile pic!
The fact that the Halo Infinite gameplay wasn't even on a XSX console but it was on a PC, that speaks volumes that. Promote your console about TERAFLOPS and all that BS and you show footage of one of the biggest IPs you own but off a PC. Microsoft did the pay content for our system only all the time durinf the 360 era then Sony did it this gen with Destiny 2 and COD MW.
That practice I was hoping would stop when PS4 and X1 was announced but it didn't. It's a rubbish practice one that works though because of fanboyism
Both Sony and Microsoft take part in this practice, it's just that Phil Spencer runs his mouth way too much, and often finds his foot in it.
Also, all of the games shown at the conference yesterday will be readily available on PC the day they release, so I still have no incentive on getting a Series X for stuff like Halo Infinite.
@get2sammyb So the issue is the hypocrisy, and not the super lame practice of timed exclusives?
@lacerz That's definitely what is happening. Microsoft bought up all those studios over the past couple of years who were readying to launch titles on current gen hardware.
There simply isnt enough time for them to be ready to develop and launch new titles within the first 2 years of the Series X's life. I really think the release schedule will be barren for some time.
Im not convinced that Halo isnt an Xbox one title ported to Series X either tbh
I'm likely incorrect, but I feel that Sony's full exclusives are mainly due to them owning those developers (Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica Studios etc), but to my knowledge they don't IN THE MAIN really lock any 3rd party games behind exclusivity.
I feel timed exclusives is almost worse than full exclusivity, because you can clearly see that Xbox simply paid the devs to stay off Sony's console for a while
I'm just glad Psychonauts 2 hasn't suddenly become an Xbox exclusive (i'm sure that's more to do with it originating on Fig)... But if they make that a timed exclusive for 6 or so months, I'll be a little frustrated to say the least!
@Caliburn08 “ why would a franchise WHICH LEGACY IS TIED TO PLAYSTATION GO TO XBOX”
I don’t know, why did Final Fantasy 7 go PlayStation when the legacy was tied to Nintendo?
It’s all business at the end.
BTW, Tomb Raider was definitively a PC game more than it was a console game.
A hypocrite may still be , a hypicrite ,but the pot calling the kettle black,is still calling the kettle black.
@ralphdibny That would be An Ecumenical Matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptd_h0dF7NE
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the guy is a walking contradiction & Im tired of him & his Team Xbox nonsense!
@Caliburn08 Yeah. I completely get why it is attractive to publishers because you only need to code for one console for x amount of time which lessens pressure and you are getting a safety cushion in case of poor sales. It always makes sense to have some guaranteed cash for a launch.
Tomb Raider has been cross platform since launch but it really annoyed me as it was a direct story sequel to the reboot which wsan't available on all platforms for a year.
I can't believe how much attention people pay to these issues. Just pick the console that has got the games you want to play FFS. This analysis of who said what is frankly childish. XBOX hasn't shown anything interesting so I'll be sticking with PS5 solely next gen. End of story.
The more Spencer speaks the closer he gets to don mattrick in my eyes... 🤦♂️
@OmegaStriver same. Since gaming exclusively on PS and Nintendo hardware the only games I wanted to play from MS were forza and ori. The latter of which I got on switch anyway. That’s pretty poor for 6+ years of game releases from MS.
Is a shame as I remember the original Xbox and 360 (well the first half of 360’s life anyway) being fun gaming times....
@Tharsman What?! Tomb Raider a PC Game if you are talking about the recent reboot then you're probably correct but back during the PS1/PS2 days Tomb Raider is always a top seller and almost everyone associate the Old Tomb Raider with PS
@Caliburn08 almost every PS player does. The game was a MS-DOS, Saturn and PlayStation multi-platform game published by Eidos, whom at the time was almost exclusively making PC games.
If you entered a GameStop or EB at the time, it was impossible to miss those pyramid boxes Eidos used for the series, usually sitting in the middle of the store.
Same guy that said console exclusive dont sell well anymore.but when horizon and zelda selling so well he know he was wrong.haha.word up son
Timed exclusives are so dumb. I rarely have the time to play everything I'm interested day one anyways. So unless your a 16 year kid with no responsibilities this doesnt benefit most. The only exclusives should be from each company's first party studios.
@pip_muzz Here's the thing: yes Sony does Timed exclusives but they aren't the one who's head said they don't believe in doing timed exclusives. That it isn't growth. Phil Spencer is such a hypocrite and frequently goes back on what he says.
As a business man running a business exclusives and timed exclusives are good for you platform and you would be foolish if you didn't have those deals in place. At the same time as a gamer you realize they are not gamer friendly. There is nothing hypocritical about it. Deals like that brought alot of new people on the PS4 myself included. Alot of Destiny's content was exclusive to just the PS4 that was one of my biggest reasons for buying it.
What a shock. Complaining about exclusive console games but nothing ever changes. Consumers have every right to complain about it if we wish, but nothing we say or do would change this dramatically. At least timed exclusives mean they will be on other consoles in the future. I know this affects people that play games right away but I'm way behind and can wait for the PS5 or Switch versions.
@Dodoo Mattrick was on another level, unfair on Spencer that, he's simply marketing his product, that he has a lot of faith in.
Well documented Mattrick had no faith in Xbox. Spencer started at MS as an intern, he has faith in the brand, he's genuine even if he does oversell it sometimes.
Stoking the console warrior flames. This site has turned into a joke.
to be honest there wasn't much of interest in the xbox showcase - and what we did see was 95% cgi trailers
Uncle Phill Expose!
No problem with time exclusives, Sony does the same.
But quite double standard by XB head.
Couple of tidbits that have been revealed post-show.
Stalker 2 was full cgi and no release date to speak of, according to the devs.
The Medium is confirmed to be 4K at 30 FPS on Series X, according to devs.
Far Cry 6 is now confirmed to be 4K on PS4 and PS5, just like was previously confirmed for One X and Series X.
Anybody still think that 1.8 extra TFs will make a difference for third-party games for the Series X? Sure looks like that narrative died fast...
Reading those article I imagine Google and Microsoft begging Nintendo for a time exclusivity on Zelda and Mario and Nintendo executive laughing while covering their mouths (because they are Japanese and respect is everything)
yeah, the launch exclusive is meaningless rubbish, most of these will be 6 months of less
This site sure is obsessed about Phil Spencer and Xbox.
I give the first sentence in this article a 10.
@DeepSpace5D series x,might be 60 fps,kind of wish that,at least there should be a performance mode,in the ps5 option.
Out of the 21 games shown during their presentation, 9 of them (10 if Hellblade falls in this category) were Next Gen exclusive, 7 of them were timed exclusives.
11 Titles were crossgen and out of these eleven titles, only 3 of them were actually new (The Gunk, Tell me Why and CrossfireX) the other ones were either announced quite a while ago for this current gen or straight up are already out like Outer Wilds, Destiny or Tetris Effects. So...
The REAL reason Microsoft are trying to be consumer friendly is because they want to get everyone into their eco-system and then control them by DRM'ing them to death I don't trust whatever so called Mr.Perfect(according to the internet. He seems FAKE to me) Phil Spencer says or does.
@rachetmarvel Has there been a single third-party game announced for next gen on the Series X that runs at a different resolution or framerate than the PS5? I haven’t seen a single title yet.
@DeepSpace5D The new destiny 2 update,they said it will run 60 fps on Xbox series x,I heard it on the stream.but that is pretty much it,although not many other games have yet to discuss about this. I bet next gen,60 fps will be an option for third party games.
@rachetmarvel Bungie had already confirmed 4k and 60 FPS for Destiny 2 on PS5 last month. The announcement for Microsoft just confirmed that the Series X will be getting it also. Every third party game announced so far runs identical on both Series X and PS5. AC: Valhalla is 4k 30 fps on both, Dirt 5 has a 120fps option for both.
@DeepSpace5D Oh,then again I am,still not wrong.
@wiiware although Phil is the head of Xbox, he can have his opinions about certain subjects even if the company goes the other direction. Microsoft need to do this.
@vhsodre That's convenient 😂
@wiiware I understand your concern and you're actually not wrong. But I believe he can also have a opinion by the consumer's perspective.
Now, while Phil Spencer has a more "friendly" approach in his posts and interviews (if it's genuine...), I can't state the same about the Head of Playstation. They're always so burocratic.
I think what is more concerning is their desire to be cross generational. Why even invest so much into their hardware If they are going to be held back by the previous generation.
I’m just going to point this out and say none of the games they showed are exclusive to just the Xbox. You literally can play all those games your PC or even on your phone through XCloud. The only thing that is required is that you have Game Pass Ultimate which is a streaming service that is 15$ a month. What Phil Spencer was saying was that games shouldn’t just be exclusive to just the Xbox which is true and that’s why they created Game Pass
@jorel262 You know you can play it on PC or on XCloud(mobile streaming device) if you have Game Pass Ultimate for only 15$ a month as well as hundreds of other Xbox games as soon as the game comes out. No Xbox console required
@PSfan4Life22 You won’t need an Xbox when those games come out. You literally can play it on PC or stream games on your phone though XCloud if you have Game Pass Ultimate which is 15$ a month with over 100+ Xbox games
This article really misses the point. Look at every single game/developer announced as a timed exclusive. Every single one was AA at best, most were indie. Chances are these guys did not have the budget to finish their game, or could use the money to polish and improve. Can you tell me the same about destiny and call of duty? You think Activision ran out of money and ran to Sony for help? There's a huge difference in philosophy about exclusives. Yes, both companies want to help themselves. But what Sony does ONLY helps Sony and it's at the expense of gamers. They way microsoft does it, helps developers and gamers. Developers get a bigger budget, gamers get to play on gamepass, and when the games do come to ps, they are better versions than they would have been without Microsoft. Can you name the last AAA game microsoft bought exclusivity for since tombraider? Sony ONLY pays publishers and developers that dont need it, just to keep away from xbox, not to help the game along.
I don't care for timed exclusives, especially at the start of a new console cycle. Imagine you are a smaller studio and you have trouble to get enough money to develop your vision. It would even be harder to develop it for a new platform. So when a platform owner comes along and offers you money for timed exclusives rights, and (what I know from PlayStation) they help you find your way on the new platform with great support, than it would be a no brainer and the indie game developer and platform holder both have a win.
Eventually the game will come out on other platforms, that is fine, otherwise it maybe didn't get made and last time I checked a game that is a bit older can still be enjoyed to play.
The thing about Phil Spencer is that he said he didn't like it and trow his little turds at PlayStation and not he shows a ton of timed exclusives. That is sad and dishonest.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stone's. - Eh Phil?
@Revenant Thanks. I don't have a gaming PC but will look into those options when Fable is closer.
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