Wow! We would have given our last Pringle to have been in the boardroom when Microsoft made the decision to delay Xbox Series X launch title Halo Infinite, because that can’t have been an easy call to make. Judging by its gameplay reveal earlier in the year, it’s probably for the best, but the Redmond manufacturer will have built its entire marketing campaign around the tentpole title, and now it won’t make release.
Once enthusiasts have, y’know, chilled the f*ck out, it probably won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. Here’s the reality: Phil Spencer and his team will shift every single Xbox Series X it can manufacture this holiday – and it’ll probably move the odd Xbox Series S as well, assuming it ever actually gets around to announcing the less powerful platform in its increasingly complicated product portfolio.
But there’s no two ways about it, this is a big blow: it effectively leaves the Redmond firm touting the fact that you can play existing games on your new machine – an awesome feature, no doubt, but not exactly the main headline you want attached to your new-fangled format. Whether the organisation will scramble to sign up some third-party deals remains to be seen, but all the speculation suggests that it’s Sony who’s had its cheque book out.
Of course, this does put increased scrutiny on the Japanese giant’s launch line-up. For starters, we still haven’t seen a fat lot of what the PlayStation maker has to offer either. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales appears to be the flagship title, and it certainly makes sense to associate the world-famous web-slinger with the next-gen console – but how much of a jump from its 2018 PS4 predecessor is it likely to be? And how much will it even cost?
To be fair, it seems the platform holder will at least have a handful of things to justify its new hardware. Astro’s Playroom will be included with the console, and will surely delight for a few hours; Bethesda, meanwhile, will deliver at least one timed exclusive in the form of Deathloop. We reckon other filler releases, like Godfall and Sackboy: A Big Adventure, will probably make release day, too. It’s not exactly awe-inspiring, but it’s enough.
Sony, once again, finds itself in an unexpected position here, though. Word is that it’s got more big announcements to make, both from first-party teams and third-parties. With Microsoft’s only major title now missing in action, though, the Japanese giant needs to bring real substance. Coronavirus has no doubt impacted every organisation's plans, but from the outside looking in, Xbox simply doesn’t seem ready for this generation; PlayStation needs to prove that it is.
How are you feeling about PS5's potential launch lineup in comparison to Xbox Series X's anemic offering? Pray thanks for Insomniac Games in the comments section below.
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Yeah, to be honest neither console’s launch lineup is looking fantastic. Combine that with Nintendo not having anything tangible in the near future and the rest of 2020 isn’t looking great outside of Cyberpunk. It’s to be expected with everything going on but I’d at least like a wee surprise for launch day.
@nessisonett Don't worry, I'm sure Cyberpunk 2077 will be delayed, too!
@get2sammyb
Ouch, that’s not looking well for Microsoft ...at this point it really just takes another big game from Sony to make the Series X/S look completely useless...
Been gaming since the 80’s and this new generation release seems to be the most confused and lame overall. Both camps currently don’t seem great, but with Halo gone it’s seems like Sony are on top, and not because of their best performance but due to their competitors misfortune, as well.
Maybe Covid has messed things up a bit and maybe both companies are not quite ready.
Now let’s see if both consoles make it on time. Though if any company could afford to delay a next generation console release it would be Sony, their more dominant position would allow that and a big price drop of PS4 and Pro would easily allow them to ride that.
The perception tables have really turned. Just a few short months ago it seemed Microsoft was ready to 'Jump In' to Gen 9 and Sony looked like the laggard. I guess playing it's cards close to the chest has to this point worked out for the Japanese brand. I believe both platform holders still have some major news to put out (besides the price and on sale dates, of course) and I hope both of them do well.
This is definitely the most underwhelming run up to a new gen of consoles yet. Dont think I'll be buying either at launch and that's a first for me in a very long time 😥
Looks like the third party releases that are cross generations are gonna be the big releases on current and next generation consoles this year for sure. COD, FIFA & Assassin’s Creed etc.
From what I recall, GT7, Demon's Souls and Ratchet and Clank weren't given release windows. It's possible that one of them could end up being a surprise launch game to accompany Miles Morales, which would help bolster Sony's lineup even more after this Halo news. Though with no Halo, it could be argued that they don't particularly need much else (even if it would be great for us fans).
@Turismo4GT you meant "the Japanese giant", right?
Just another reason I'll be getting a PS5, and will see how much I could get for my Xbox One S towards it. The launch lineup isn't the most exciting, but it's enough. I have my eye on whenever Ratchet and Clank releases for when I'll jump in to next gen.
My enjoyment of everything has been delayed since coronavirus. I hardly watch tv anymore because it reminds me of before coronavirus, like Bargain Hunt on BBC1. Sometimes I just sit with the tv off. Only positive is my spending has been delayed. I have some money saved thanks to coronavirus.
I think GT7 has a fair shot at being a launch title. But what do I know. I expected Ghost of Tsushima in late 2018...
PS5 price and production have just gone up 🤷♂️
Sammy Barker, you forgot to mention the biggest PS5 launch game of them all. Bugsnax!
Ps5 was gonna outsold the x box easy before the delay.now its going to be a al capone st Valentine's massacre.a mortal kombat fatalities.a nas Illmatic masterpiece.word up son
@Dezzy70
Xbox confirmed the Series X to launch in November. I'm expecting PS5 early December at the latest.
@LiamCroft I forgot about Bugsnax too. PS5 wins no doubt, absolute massacre.
Big hit on XSX side.
But let be honest, PS5 doesn't have a real BIG FAT launch title either.
The PS5's launch line-up is going to mainly consist of console exclusives that will also be available on PC day one. Godfall, Bugsnax, DEATHLOOP, Kena, The Pathless, etc. I just hope Miles Morales doesn't get delayed to 2021, but it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
@LiamCroft I am unironically looking forward to Bugsnax... I just hope the rest of the soundtrack is as good as that Kero Kero Bonito song
I unfortunately think this is going to open up some floodgates. I can see some other BIG games getting pushed
Let's be honest, neither console seemed great and that including the new Halo game (that my old PC can also play). We all know that Covid messed everything but launch games on both consoles seemed meh. Miles Morales looks like dlc staring a not so interesting character (IMHO) and that is coming from a Spiderman fanboy. 2021 will be way more interesting. TBH I thought that any of Ghosts, Last of Us 2 or Cyberpunk would be delayed in purpose to launch as cross gen titles in next gen with updated visuals to generate hype.
@Mintie So am I.
Honestly from my perspective the PS5 launch is looking a lot like another Nintendo Switch situation where there's only going to be one must have first party game with Spider-Man Miles Morales and a crap ton of multiplatform ports that you can find elsewhere like Marvel's Avengers and Yakuza Like a Dragon. Neither launch looked stellar to begin with as likewise, all Microsoft really had going for them was Halo. Stuff like DEATHLOOP and Godfall being playable on PC day one also doesn't really help Sony's case either as did Halo being on both the Windows 10 Store and Steam
It's also looking like both launches will be aided by the fact that both consoles will also be able to play a crap ton of last gen games through backwards compatibility but that's pretty much it
@Orpheus79V I believe the rumours were GT7 being a December release.
@belmont See I used to think Miles was basically just an inferior replacement for Peter Parker who wasn't as well written but then Into the Spider-Verse and the new comic run that came out after he was integrated into the mainstream continuity after Secret Wars got me really hooked on his character. If the game can manage that quality of writing while retaining the same gameplay mechanics as the previous game I'll be satisfied.
As it stands, there’s no reason for me to buy any of the two new consoles at launch.
(And let’s not forget that the PS4 didn’t have many great games during its first year either, and that turned out quite alright.)
Wow, so what first-party games is the Series X launching with? Nothing now? Has a console ever released with no new first-party launch games available? This is pretty crazy news.
I was wondering how long it'd take for you guys to figure out a way to post it on here.
@Orpheus79V Man, I'd be really happy if GT7 was a launch game, especially now it's going to have the classic campaign mode.
@Sinton The good thing about owning a new console right off the bat is that you get a clean-slate for your backlog! The first year of the PS4's lifecycle, I actually thought I could beat AND platinum all of the major AAA releases. That didn't last long...
@Menchi Took me a few hours to figure it out, but I'm pleased to deliver for you.
When has any console launch line-up looked FANTASTIC? Never, that's when. But the launch line-up isn't what makes people decide on what console they are getting either. It's the games to come.
@Mintie Bugsnax looks like it could be super fun. I've said it a few times now, but it reminds me a lot of Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, which is a really weird and fun game.
@spoonard True, but I do think it's important to deliver something to showcase the hardware. Stuff like The Playroom and Killzone: Shadow Fall may not be particularly memorable now, but the PS4's launch would have been significantly worse without them.
And sometimes you do get Breath of the Wild/Super Mario 64 moments at launch, although they're admittedly rare.
As I wrote in the article, I think Spider-Man's important to the PS5's launch because the character is also going to appear in all of the marketing materials, and that's really going to raise the profile of the release.
@TheFrenchiestFry I enjoyed Miles’ comics but they were hampered by being in the downright dreadful Ultimate universe. His comics in the current universe have been more interesting and fun than Peter Parker’s have in years imo.
My goodness, that was unexpected and yet so obvious at the same time. It's clear from looking at the last month's footage that something has gone seriously wrong over at 343i during the production of that game. Its not enough to blame Covid. That game has/should have been in development for years.
Fascinating stuff and i expect it marks the end of 343's term as gate keepers of the Halo franchise.
It will be interesting to see the impact this has on each console's fortunes this winter. Whilst PS5 is likely most compelling, we wont know until both launch line ups are officially concerned. I doubt this will have a significant impact - but you never know!
I know one thing. Godfall aint it. Possibly the most generic looking game i've ever seen. I hope Sony spend no more time promoting it. Sadly i doubt that will be the case. Maybe i am being unfair, but nothing i have seen has left any impression. It will be forgotten about in a years time.
Launch lineups are notoriously meh - doesn’t really matter what generation.
@spoonard exactly. People have short memories!!
Neither company has done a real good job selling that their consoles are necessary at launch. I think the choice of an upgrade is now down to price. Neither company has come out with a full, AAA launch title so those that feel the need to buy a new console will look at the best (or most affordable) option for 3rd party games.
@Sinton (And let’s not forget that the PS4 didn’t have many great games during its first year either)
Except it had freaking knack! If the PS5 had a Knack 3 at launch it wouldn't really need anything else IMHO.
@get2sammyb You'll get quicker at it next time
If there is a next time
@nessisonett Yeah his Ultimate Marvel stuff was pretty mediocre in general but his post-Secret Wars stuff has actually really solidified him as a good incarnation of the character. I also do think Nick Spencer's TASM run is already significantly better than anything Dan Slott has been involved in for like 10 years
@get2sammyb Yeah, it'd be a huge deal, especially after it's been confirmed the next Forza is ages away but sadly it's the one I expect the least. Polyphony do love to take their time after all.
I’m probably going to be waiting until early next year to get a PS5, to be honest. It’s about the middle of August and we still don’t know jack sh— about the games, price and all that junk. I’m kinda doubting Sony is gonna have an exclusive game that’ll convince me to grab one at launch, and stuff like the next Call of Duty, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 I planned on getting the PC versions anyway. No real reason to get one at launch based on what I’ve seen so far. Is Deathloop exclusive to PlayStation for a whole year? Or is it coming to PC the same day as the PS5 version?
Its funny that people were saying MS's Halo as a launch line up won't matter because that game will be releasing on XB1 anyway. Why buy Series X/S when Halo will be on Current gen. Then people were saying the game looked bad for a next gen game - especially this close to launch, and now its delayed, its a major disaster for the next gen console and MS. Its not as if the console will be struggling with games to play with all the XB1, 360 and OG Xbox titles that will run on the console as well as 'new' games releasing in the next few months.
It would be much worse if Sony had to delay one of their launch games - and Spider-Man seems more like a stand-alone DLC than a full AAA game too. We don't really know what Sony 'could' have and what could still yet be delayed - maybe even the console itself if Games get delayed because it could mean 'no' big Launch game for a Console that is relying on next gen 'exclusives' to sell.
Not criticising either companies or their strategy. Its not been an easy few months and I bet none anticipated the current global situation to go on as long as it has, let alone predicting it would have happened at all at the start of the year.
Until things release or at the very least go gold, there is a possibility of more delays across the board with the ongoing situation. Losing Halo as a launch title is a bit of disappointment but its not as if the Series X was relying on it to sell the console as its also coming to XB1, PC and Mobiles too and the Series X will still launch with 1000's of games playable on it. No doubt PS5 will launch with a BIG list of games able to run on it too - some of which will be 'better' than you can play them now on PS4/Pro.
Its better to launch with games that look and run well than release a rushed mess of a game that also looks 'poor'. That's not going to sell either the console or the game.
I think its funny though that people have said it will be a disaster for MS launching with games releasing on current gen, PC's etc, a disaster to launch with a 'mess' of a game and now a disaster that single game is now 'delayed'. With the current situation too, we could see more delays too but at the end of the day, its a difficult situation for all and I hope that companies take the right decisions rather than push people too far to meet a deadline or release games too soon with the intention to fix post launch. Of course I hope both Hardware and Software release on time and sooner, but I would rather have them 'right' than rushed...
Give me bloodborne at 60 FPS
Xbox is just doing more of the same they did for the last 7 years. Its not a big surprise to me, but I did expect much better for a new console launch. I wont care what Xbox is doing until they do something great.
I think the biggest issue Microsoft is now facing is that Halo Infinite has been the only true upcoming first party game that had any sort of game play. I'm sure Forza will fare fine as it's just a redesign of already existing code, but Halo was the XSX seller, even though it will release on the XO as well.
As for the rest of the Xbox games? No game play. No release window. If Halo is 2021...do we see the other games in 2022? 2023? Or are they delayed to 2024/2025? That's half of a console generation waiting on next generation games. That's one hell of a risk to take when buying a new console.
At this point they might as well call it Xbox One Series X.
@BAMozzy there is no such thing as a "standalone" dlc. That's why it's called "standalone" bots obsessed with spidey "dlc"🤦♂️.
Halo infinite has been in development for 6years. Not buying the covid 19 excuse when they said 120fps f2p last week. Why didnt they delay it then ?
Spiderman ps4 is barely 2 years old. And had 3 dlcs. And now insomniac have a standalone spiderman game and a fully ready ratchet and clank for next year. 343 have killed halo lazy and inept.
That's what's hurt ms. They are clowns. Do it everytime ....brag then lag.
@TheFrenchiestFry : Dan Slott? That slob destroyed Peter Parker's Spider Man. Even, at Spider Man's worst periods, it never went that far. For me, the day Spider Man died, was the run during Civil War, where Peter reveals his identity and is on the run trying to save his family. The story was building to a finality, except Marvel dropped the ball..again. Fools, like Joe Queseda then Dan Slott would permanently destroy Spidey at that point.
I have no problem with Miles, but couldn't they have created an all new character instead of using Spider Man. It further dilutes the character.
On Playstation 5, if they offer this thing at 599, it won't sell. Neither will xbox at that price point. That's too much money without a significant lineup or innovation of some sort.
@spoonard - OG Xbox had an amazing bunch of launch titles...
Max Payne
Halo: Combat Evolved
Dead or Alive 3
Jet Set Radio Future
Project Gotham Racing
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee
That is a quality launch lineup.
@Cyberbotv2 Dan Slott has done some good work but stuff like Parker Industries completely contradicts the point of his character considering he's no longer a relatable everyman
I'm personally fine with the whole "Miles being Spider-Man insteaad of an original character" thing because there's already a crap ton of different people who've taken the mantle like Miguel O' Hara, Ben Reilly and even a freaking pig. Spider-Man isn't necessarily one person anymore and that's fine by me honestly
@DavLFC there is no such thing as stand alone dlc?
@spoonard Well if nothing new is coming then i dont know why i should get a new console. It has too have something new.
@BAMozzy Im gonna a little bit mean im not buying a new console too play PS4 better.
@ellsworth004 miles morales doesn't feature peter parker is 10 -12 hours long and is only available on ps5. it's not a ps4 dlc. It's a game you can only play on ps5.
Engage your mind.
The stars are aligned for ps5 success I think, if they can get release date for their exclusives at least before next year, I think most gamer will buy ps5 for their next-gen machine. I can't imagined if ps5 release with spiderman mm, then next month with gran turismo 7, and ratchet & clank in the third month after ps5 release. Exciting stuff ahead for ps5 fans 😃
@DavLFC No standalone DLC? Well there are a few examples - Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light, Saints Row 4: Gat out of Hell, Uncharted: Lost Legacy etc. Admittedly some may of also got Physical releases but they are all Standalone Expansions and DLC just stands for DownLoadable Content of which they all were too.
All that means is that the games do NOT require another game to play. A lot of them started off as an Expansion to another game but for one reason or another, they opted to release as a Standalone - whether its because the game 'grew' bigger than expected or, like Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, they opted to combine two Expansions into one Standalone release rather than release them as 'expansions' to the game.
Miles Morales is a Standalone Expansion to the Spider-Man game.
@Flaming_Kaiser your choice of course - I bought both my PS4 Pro and XB1X to play PS4 and XB1 games 'better' knowing full well they wouldn't get 'exclusive' software. I would buy a PS5 too for the same reason - but I also know that it will get exclusive software too. Most of the games I will buy in the first year or so will also release on PS4 too anyway as that's what usually happens with the majority of releases. I didn't buy a PS4 because I wanted to play Knack or just Killzone - but because it played games like AC4, BF4, CoD and ALL the other big releases better than they played on PS3...
@Makina
If SPIDERMAN is not a big fat launch game, then I don't know what is?
@Chryssy75 It's Spider-Man miles Morales not Spider-Man 2 besides that the poor communication made it look like a dlc and dlcs don't sell consoles
@DavLFC i wasnt talking about spider-man. I was just wondering what u meant by "there is no such thing as standalone dlc"
Engage your mind...lol. Sorry im not as smart as u
Of course it's time to downplay Spider-Man MM again. Its Downloadable content, its remaster, what else? 🤡
You forget the whole point that it's a PS5 exclusive highly anticipated retail game, even by I who genuinely disliked Insomniac approach to the Spider-Man real dlc I thought was crap just after the game released.
For that matter Halo infinity is a current gen game anyway. It's sad for the fans but that wasnt going to promote next gen anyway.
@ellsworth004
Downloadable Content =/= Full retail game
Xbox basically laid out a red carpet for Sony to win Christmas again.
Spiderman is a behemoth of an exclusive and even if its just an expansion of the already hugely successful ps4 exclusive, it will push ps5 units.
If Sony still have other games to be announced for launch or early 2021
Sony wins next gen. Again
People claiming that Halo's delay is for the best, no it's not. Not at this point in time. This is a disaster in the making. Sure, the game will look better. But this will seriously impact sales at launch. On top of the few exclusives, current gen looking graphics, Apple blocking xCloud, this might be the straw that will break the camels back.
Each person that was planning to buy an XBOX at launch and is going to buy a PS5 instead because of this will mean a couple of years loss of revenue per customer who made the switch to PS5. No console, games, game pass, XBOX live gold income from these potential customers for the period between console launch and when they eventually end up buying an XBOX further down the line. If they even end up buying an XBOX when they already own a PS5...
I personally really like the focus on Miles Morales. I hope there s a great story. Awesome potential for the story (that's actually needed in the time we live in and some positivity) and also great potential for a different gameplay with a different character.
I understand Halo fans are sad but it maybe good news instead of a broken game. I dont understand why people are trying to damage control in downplaying the PS5 line up now.
GodFall ? Well yes it's a game too that some people seem to like? What else to say ? I never fancied Halo either so WTH?
The other games? You want to start the list wars again and keyboard warring and call people names for liking stuff?
Sorry for the rant.
This is brutal as it was the one big massive advantage so far MS had over Sony, unless the price difference is huge i think the Series X may suffer greatly because of this.
What about ratchet? Is it launch title to?
The fact that the ps5 will be able to play ps4 games, but better, is more than enough reason for me to get it. I don't expect all the best exclusives to come out at launch. I can wait. In the meantime, plenty of fantastic ps4 games to play without worrying about my console being blown to pieces or vacuuming my room.
@Royalblues If you like,jrpg's I would not recommend an xbox,actually I would recommend any console but,an xbox.
@ThaBEN Its,not like there are that may apple users in the world,they honestly make about 27 to 30 some thing percent of the gobile mobile space,but then again Apple most likely has a higher share,in the premium section of phones.
@ellsworth004 I mean,Miles Morales popularity has shot up,due to the success of spider-man into the spiderverse(which is a great movie),he could be the most popular spiderman,who is not named Peter Paker,at the moment.
Thus I am confident that,many people will want to play this,even those who did not play the first game,including me.
The law of diminishing returns has never been so prevalent as it appears to be going into this next generation.
When developers have more time under their belts with the newer tech we'll start seeing the benefits on display. It's like that with every gen leap.
I dont know though, going forward this time round feels like a soft evolution of the status quo. Thankfully though I loved this current gen.
@JON22 I don't watch TV anymore either. I am done with the brainwashing. That aside I am looking forward to the PS5
@rachetmarvel
That's still a lot. If we round it off at 25% that's 1 in 4 people owning an mobile phone (who doesn't own a mobile phone?). And i don't necessarily think it will only impacts iPhone users. It's just another negative story about XBOX Next Gen launch that leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
When it's time to show your most valuable asset to the world (Halo infinite) and it ends up in a meme (Craig), you've got a serieus problem.
Microsoft realy needs to catch a break and come out with something positive. Let's hope the XBOX Series S can surprise us in a positive way.
Just grabbed ghost of tsushima and resident evil 3 remake, for $95!!
@get2sammyb GT7 is the closest to a ''live service'' game of all Sony's IPs. As in, it's the game to support over the course of a couple of years. So it makes sense to get it out as soon as possible.
@Mintie Bugsnax reminds me of a weird crossover between Ape Escape and Pokemon Snap. I don't expect anything mind blowing, but I'd love to go around the island and catch some hamburgers and carrots lol.
I find this baffling, how can you release a new console without a shiny new game to play on it? Has this ever happened before? Doesn't this just make it essentially another upgrade like the pro versions, just with another name? To be fair, The PS5 doesn't really have much either, especially if Miles Morales is on PS4 too. I don't know why both are so determined to release the new consoles with nothing on them.
I suppose it's best to just see this as a soft launch and neither company wants millions of new units taking up expensive storage space. I have a feeling they will over shoot on the price now to catch all the dedicated must have fans before a price drop in a year or so when they expect the majority to jump in with some new games on the consoles.
Still on the fence about getting a PS5 on release, but I think it might be best to wait for a few games to come and go and drop in price. There should be a better looking black version of the console by then too.
The other problem for Microsoft is that their other big games look to be 2-3 years away and I can easily see a situation where the likes of Ratchet amd Clank, Horizon Forbidden West, Demon Souls, GT7 and maybe even the next God of War have all launched before Avowed or Fable show up. I do feel this launch period was critical for Xbox and this could be a defining moment
I doubt Sackboy A Big Adventure would make to release day if the graphics in some parts of the announcement trailer looked unfinished. But hey I could be wrong.
Demon Souls will seal the deal for millions of diehard soul fans along with Spider-man. GT7 is possible since Polyphony will want the latest version for eSports. On top of that, it shouldn't be too difficult for Sony to patch some of their best selling exclusives for their new system with full 4K 60/120 fps visual.
@Octane This is certainly true especially now that Polyphony is in eSports. I am not expecting a full package at launch but with monthly updates like GT Sport. Hope they will do better this time managing fans expectation, like an update schedule with what to expect in the coming months.
“Xbox simply doesn’t seem ready for this generation”
Xbox isn’t ready for the current gen yet let alone next gen 🙊
@Royalblues yeah I’m going with the disc version for the sole reason I can sell the games if I choose to.
@playstation1995 i was chuckling away at your post untill you name droped nas....nuclear assault_critical mass would have got me.word up son.
If they really want to get the chequebook out - Put Miles Morales on PS Plus at launch.
Pipedream...
@shyhh As long as the campaign is there at launch, it will be fine. The problem with GT Sport is that they did it the other way around. If the campaign is out first, they can support the game with additional digital content for the rest of the generation (or at least the first 2-3 years).
I'd really rather not come on here and read stuff like "chill the f out" in formal posts/articles (whether semi-censored or not). I get enough of that from uneducated and/or inconsiderate folk elsewhere. Surely you can do better.
I just watched a video on IGN and they do talk a load of cr*p :-/ Just because Microsoft are not bringing out Halo at launch of their new console they make out SONY's launch will be rubbish to!?!? I really do hope Spiderman comes out the day the PS5 comes out + say GT7 + Demon Souls to. Just to shut up those CLOWNS Oh + R&C but I doubt Insomniac can bring out 2 games on launch.
Poor Godfall, forgotten and gathering dust before its even released..
I still find it incredible that neither Sony or Microsoft have release price info with only 3 months left before launch! It’s so stupid because people can’t pre order until they know what the machines cost.
@shyhh Has Demons Souls been confirmed as a launch game though? That would definitely sway my decision on getting a PS5 on release as it's one of my favourite games of all time.
They are delaying for the right reason and let's be honest - for early adopters, you are going to be buying what you are going to be buying really. What this will really effect is the media attention and the 'who won' the launch kind of thing which does have an affect but let's not forget, this could take some time.
Everyone seems to forget that launch titles are always thin on the ground. When I got my PS4 in early 2015 I can remember complaints that there weren't enough good games coming out for PS4 etc.
This is a blow to Microsoft but not as much of a blow of releasing a launch title that wasn't ready for consumption.
I was betting on PS fans popping their champagne bottles, just not on this site to do so. Classy.
Halo is one of my favourite and most played franchises, but MS really need to reevaluate their reliance on Halo.
For one, 343i just do not have the talent to make a AAA game. Bungie consistently launched quality titles 3 years apart, and even managed to squeeze in the enjoyable ODST in between them. 343i are constantly releasing shoddy games, and even with a 5 year gap, need to delay their launch because the game is still rough. The studio just isn't up to the task MS have set it.
That said, Halo just shouldn't be a tent pole or flagship franchise anymore. It's a fantastic franchise, but the desire for it to be all things to all people has obviously diluted the experience and put it under a pressure of competing with modern games and it just can't. You compare it to a franchise like Ratchet and Clank, that has the same kind of legacy, R&C hasn't changed all that much so it can still appeal to older fans, without the pressure of the franchise needing to appeal to all the new and indifferent gamers either. There are other titles releasing around it to appeal to a different or younger audience.
My advice would be to completely disband 343i and drop the managers that they put in place. Build or buy another company that has passion and talent (you know, like they now have with the studios of InXile, Obsidian, Ninja Theory and Double Fine), and give them the franchise to work on along other projects, and only announce and release a game when the team has something they are personally proud of creating, rather than hit corporate targets.
@Northern_munkey. Haha.definetly nas is my favorite mc ever along with rakim.word up son
Am I the only one who isn't underwhelmed by PS5? I'm very adequately whelmed.
@Richnj yeah the over reliance on halo needs to stop. Create new franchises, new experiences. As we've seen from PlayStation, new IPs keep people engaged and as long as they're good games they will do well.
@stu123 get digital, how often would you even buy a disc or try it out. Having the option is nice but if you don't really use it, what's the point
@DavLFC you spoke nothing but the truth. Pure objective facts.
For the first time ever I'm going to own an xbox. People ask why, but for someone like me who has never owned one, and who's gaming pc is dated (970gtx 2.8ghz i7...) the cost of upgrading the components to make it even nearly as good as the series x specs would be much, much more than buying a console. Add free game pass and it's a winner to allow me to catch up on everything I've ever missed xbox wise and trial the newer games that get released onto the service
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Will obviously be getting a ps5 as well at some point, but going to be waiting for a HZD/TLOU/GOW tier bundle like the ps4 got.
Also, considering I'm on an og (white) phatboy ps4, I imagine the step up to be pretty spectacular on both sides.
@Carl-G
Idk. I dont follow IGN but I see the same reaction, sort of damage control now strangely bashing the PS5 line up. The line up is actually great. One to watch is also destruction all star. Despite a silly name and a bad trailer, the game might be a lot of fun and a sleeper hit.
@GealachNua
I go back a bit further Atari 2600 1977.
I think this next generation and the economy could see most people stick with what they have for now. Time will tell.
The U.K. is officially in a recession now.
@get2sammyb Nostradamus Barker strikes again.
@Royalblues I get you,thats why i stopped thinking about console wars,because i realised that people have different factors ,that they take into account when deciding ,on what gaming platform,that they would like to spend both there time and money in.
I for one will probably remain,a playstation and PC gamer,due to them having things i love like ,jrpg's(new and old,love anime troupes,if i am by myself),fighting games(2D and 3D,but not smash),single player games(not movies though,but games like spidey,and Dad of Boi),Rachet and Clank,and free online gaming(PC).
Also,this may be random,but thank you sony,for the free uncharted game(games?).I played golden Abyss on vita(RIP),and i liked the series ever since ,because of the atmoshere it brings and the blockbuster like characters.
My guess is XB will double down on their already heavy "Gamepass, Gamepass,Gamepass",marketing 12TF ultimate power marketing. That's not to say its breezy sailing for Sony quite yet-we're still waiting on a teardown of its features like b/c,UI,PSN services & obv. pricing.
That said,I'll still take "running on a ps5 devkit",vs "Approximate XSX render target",where for the "most powerful console",we've seen surprisingly little gameplay footage of it in action!
I feel Halo Infinite will definitely be better with a delay. It looked a little rough around the edges in that gameplay video with release speeding around the corner.
Besides, games are usually light around a console launch anyways and with both the PS5 and Xbone Series X having some backwards compatibility, there's enough content to last until the next big releases.
@nessisonett what do you mean? If we get something like Miles Morales and Ratchet that's more than enough. MS has 0
Im 100% getting a ps5 and know its going to grow into a total beast but the launch line up so does nothing for me, to the point where im thinking of holding off, not that i want to lol
Well Microsoft and 343i were a bit damned if they did and damned didn't after the initial reveal of Halo Infinite. It did not look good, and quite frankly the fact they showed it on a PC as opposed to an XSX spoke volumes to me and others. That close to console launch and it didn't have key next gen features like ray tracing turned on, and wasn't even running on XSX hardware, it was going to be delayed. It was just a matter of when they announced it. No matter which way you slice it the story going into the next-gen now will be that Microsoft are on the back foot, and other first party games look years away.
However, I feel like I need to stick up for 343i here. They've been handed a poisoned chalice. The legacy of Halo is that it is an Original Xbox launch game, and it's art style is very much a byproduct of the hardware limitations of the day. It's pretty hard to make the blocky, pastel coloured plastic looking enemies look good in a modern game. When they tried updating the awfully dated look Halo fans threw a hissy fit. They just can't win. Microsoft should kill off Halo like ID killed off Doom. Leave it alone for a fair few years and then give it a full reboot with a new artistic team / vision with some distance from it's legacy so it can be dragged kicking and screaming into a modern game. There's also the fact that it is widely known within the industry that 343i is a dysfunctional studio that is hamstrung by Xbox Execs curtailing any creativity around Halo.
@SirAngry "They've been handed a poisoned chalice. The legacy of Halo is that it is an Original Xbox launch game, and it's art style is very much a byproduct of the hardware limitations of the day. It's pretty hard to make the blocky, pastel coloured plastic looking enemies look good in a modern game. When they tried updating the awfully dated look Halo fans threw a hissy fit. They just can't win."
Halo Reach disagrees with all of this.
Reach did update the graphics in both an appealing and relatively impressive manner. 343i chose to not use Halo 3 nor Halo Reach graphics for Halo 4, then again chose to change the graphics again for Halo 5, and both had issues with their MP modes looking very plastic. They have only just now gone back to classic Halo artstyle and did so in an extremely disappointing manner. 343i's issue isn't a Halo's artstyle, it's poor artists.
@Medic_Alert I agree but Sony does have a strange record about letting us know about the smaller games Concrete Genie zero, Gravity Rush, Dreams where is the advertisement for the game.
@ellsworth004 I apologise for my "engage your mind comment". Sounded very condescending.
Microsoft has already lost they just don't know it yet.
@BAMozzy Miles Morales isn't an expansion. It's just a standalone game that gives the developers an excuse to reuse assets from the previous game to cobble something together that fans can play while waiting for Insomniac's next big projects being worked on by the A team like R&C Rift Apart and the eventual second Peter Parker game
@Chryssy75
>then I don't know what is?
Spiderman 2.
Or Horizon 2, R&C Rift Apart, Demon's Souls... Which are NOT launch games afaik.
@TheFrenchiestFry true. Miles . Miles morales will look great at 60fps too. Considering spiderman ps4 was 30fps, then miles morales will run like silk.
@TheFrenchiestFry I am not going to argue semantics but it is a Standalone Expansion. It is using a lot of the same code, assets, sounds etc. Its an 'Expansion' to the Spider-Man game and NOT a sequel and it also does not require the base game - therefore by definition, it is a Standalone Expansion.
Its the same as games like Infamous's Festival of Blood and First Light, same as Uncharted Lost Legacy etc. Even by your 'description', you are basically describing the criteria for a Standalone Expansion.
I don't see what the issue is with calling it what it is. Its not a 'Full AAA game' like Spider-Man was - not that there is anything wrong with launching with a big franchise Standalone Expansion and both the Infamous and Uncharted ones were great. As far as I am aware Miles Morales is the 'closest' thing Sony have to a first Party Launch Exclusive and the only reason I mentioned it was to make a point that if that got delayed, it would be a bigger disaster for Sony than Halo is for MS. Halo was coming to XB1 and PC so people wouldn't be forced to buy a Series X to play that game. People buying an X will be most likely buying for the specs, benefits and/or back compat because they can play Halo on there Xbox/PCs regardless.
Sony have made it clear that they will use exclusives to make you buy a PS5 so if they get delayed, that could have a bigger impact on their sales. Of course some may upgrade for the BC and spec upgrade too.
Point is, It can't be 'disastrous' to release the game on PC, XB1 and Xcloud too and 'disastrous' that 1 of those gets delayed. Its a disappointment no doubt for fans of Halo but I think it won't have a big impact as those planning to buy a Series X would be buying more for boosts to games rather than buying because they 'want' to play certain games but can't play them on their current hardware. Its not like people had to buy a Series X to play Halo but they will need a PS5 to play Miles Morales...
@Makina
Insomniac are working really hard to give us one great launch game and one launch window game(period of 6 months after launch).
You do realize spiderman came out 2 years ago, right?
You do realize we had amazing games coming out on ps4 til the very end of it's life span and yet we have first party ps5 games getting ready for 2021 right?
My question to you is,
Do you really think Sony is mismanaging their studios?
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@BAMozzy If it was an "expansion" the volume of content would be more equivalent to something like The City that Never Sleeps. That's not what this game is. It's its own game that has a completely disconnected story that doesn't require you to have played the previous title in order to get into it. It's not going to be as long as the first game but it's going to be considerably longer than something like an "expansion" which would imply it's more like a downloadable campaign that's connected to the previous game. It's like what Majora's Mask is to Ocarina of Time. This game isn't meant to expand on anything from the previous game verging by the fact Peter Parker isn't the main character and it doesn't look like any of his rogues gallery will be involved either.
@belmont you need to read the Miles Morals comics he is an awesome character. Best Spiderman (IMHO). 👍🏽
@Dezzy70 you all across the pond are lucky compared to us here in the USA. Our economy is a joke along with our entire federal government, and Covid-19 is only exposing it's weaknesses even more so.
@TheFrenchiestFry Justify it how you want - its no different to Uncharted: Lost Legacy and you didn't need to play 4 to play that as well as many other Expansions. Whether you agree with the terminology or not, this is by very definition of an Expansion and as you do not need to own Spider-Man, it is a Standalone....
Arguing over the 'definition' is completely irrelevant and pointless. It doesn't change anything. Regardless of how you want to define the game, it doesn't change any of the points or purpose of the discussion.
Anyone else think it's odd how little actual footage there has been of gameplay/games actually running on XBox series X? Because as of now I feel like most of what I have seen even from the third party studios has been running on PC at XBSX settings. But perhaps I'm miss remembering. I know we haven't seen too much from PS5 but at least we have actually seen some gameplay of like Godfall, Ratchet & Clank and Miles Morals. (and the unreal5 demo) But I honestly can't think of any gameplay from XBSX. 🤔
@Dakody
It’s always the same story with politicians
And the rich get richer etc etc.
I think it's one of the biggest chaos I've seen. Both teams didn't surprise. Xbox is trying hard, but these messages are nails into its coffin. They even don't know difference between "xbox/pc" and "console exclusive". Playstation is quiet, quiet and quiet. Than it release some piece, but keeps quiet again. Whole campaign is inconsistent and confusing.
Both teams just rused everything and now it is backlashing to them.
I'm still not convinced both consoles even release on date. And if yes, no one knows which games will be or not (and none of them brought some WOW effect).
Hey SONY and MICROSOFT,
how about to scratch this all, push it to 2021 holiday, make some games, crystalize informations about your machines and start some serious campaign. What both of you perform right now is really SI-IIT.
With this move, there's also rumours surrounding Series S announcement being delayed to September so expect Sony to silent for the rest of August (or perhaps do another PS4 State of Play) to continue the game of chicken they're playing.
@Richnj I disagree, and so too would Bungie's community manager from the time. Both ODST and Reach were divisive within the community at the time, it is only after the fact that they became accepted. I remember friends on 360 messaging me asking how I could play that trash (meaning Reach). Me personally? Reach and ODST are my two favourite Halo's. Also like to point out that much of 343i were made up of ex-Bungie staff who wanted to stay with Halo / Microsoft, so initially they were staffed with some very talented people. However, my point about Halo being a poisoned chalice remains. The initial reveal of Infinite in 2018 or was it 19 was hugely divisive, people complained about all sorts of things, and I just don't think 343i are ever going to please all of the community. There's also the Halo design Bible, it's a rumoured document you often here ex-343i staff moan about, I bet you can find it mentioned on reviews of them as an employer on Glassdoor, basically it ties the studios hands.
Now I'm not saying there aren't problems at 343i, staff turnover is stupidly high. The use of temporary agency staff on stupidly short fixed term contracts is evidence of a dysfunctional studio, and one where continuity within the development pipeline is nigh on ompossible. I even said as much in my first comment here. The fact that they have agencies trying to poach staff from studios in southern Sweden on 6 month rolling contracts shows how desperate and dysfunctional they've become as a studio. So I'm not saying 343i isn't partly to blame, they're mostly to blame, but I do think the legacy of Halo is currently a milestone around their necks. Microsoft needs to step away from it for a while and just let it fade, so someone else can breath new life into it.
Moving away from Microsoft's woes for a while do we really know what exclusives Sony has in store for us at launch, and in the broader launch window? They've not exactly been forthcoming have they? Also, I kind of think Godfall will be this generations Ryse Son of Rome, insofar as it's a shiny shallow experience that will be mostly forgotten because of how formulaic it is. Really hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. So behind Miles Morales is there really anything else? GT7? Returnal? Sackboy? Demon's Souls? If it's just Miles Morales then sure, it's better than what Microsoft have to offer by default, but it's hardly stellar is it?
Halo is a blow, but let's be honest, the only remotely decent looking game for PS5 is Miles Morales and that's going to be a short experience. MS need to push to get Flight Sim for launch because that's easily the most next-gen looking thing I've seen from either camp.
On top of the lack of games, it's almost certain these machines are going to be ridiculous expensive. I'm expecting $600 and £600. That's why they're not saying anything, because they know people are going to be mad.
I know it's disappointing that console launches don't feel amazing anymore, but it's impossible to have games that feel like a generational leap at launch. Those amazing games we all love on PS4 took 4/5 years to make. The PS5/XSX's specs would have been in the earliest planning stages back then, it would have been impossible to start making launch games that far back.
@SirAngry Frank O'connor, one of the few Bungie employees who moved to 343i, said several times in interviews that "a few" Bungie employees moved to 343i when the studio was formed. And off memory I remember maybe one or two more moved several years after. It's a total myth that 343i was mostly ex-Bungie. And the people who were placed in high ranking, creative roles just didn't have the right experience for the role given. Josh Holmes being the one that pops to mind.
I'm talking about Reach's artstyle, which I don't remember being divisive. It was most definitely divisive gameplay wise, and rightly so for many reasons, but not the art. Or did your friends refuse to play it because they didn't like the artstyle?
ODST, again, divisive because of the change in gameplay. It had slow, almost combat-less night sections that were completely new for Halo. But it wasn't the artstyle that was divisive. It was the same artstyle as Halo 3 (even sharing many assets from H3). So if would be weird that both a classic and modern artstyle would be divisive in the community just two years after Halo 3 and one year gap between the two entries.
I remember Halo 3 being a surprise to people because the MP looked a lot like Halo 2 but more polished. This from both a gameplay and graphics perspective. Though this was a long side technical nightmares like Theatre, and the pretty game changing Forge. Even then, it did still up the quality of the assets without making things look plastic.
I've been following 343i quite closely since they launched Halo 4, and what's going on now is not new for this developer. They contracted Saber to do the CE remaster, and obviously didn't allow resources for MP. Even blaming CE itself for not having online MP as the reason why CEA didn't have online MP (and instead had Reach MP. Then was able to get FR MP in MCC). Halo 4's MP was contracted out to Certain Affinity (I think), and obviously rushed Halo 4 out just two years after Reach, and needed future updates to enable theatre. They decided to do MCC instead of a H2A, and contracted about 5 (maybe 6) studios to do so. And it seems this was done with much less than a year to complete the project. They butchered not just Halo 5's story, gameplay, and unlock system, but apparently also the Halo engine for that release. And someone like Bonnie Ross, who is really just an MS bigwig has overseen the entire decade long disaster.
The butchered engine thing was something we (me and some other users of Halo Way point of five years ago) noted at the time. The engine was doing weird things. And we believed they tweaked it for 60fps, larger maps, larger number of players, and the always online aspect, and that they just gutted what was there. That's why certain features like split screen didn't survive. It was kinda confirmed when they started talking about this new engine. Another theory of mine is that they worked on Halo 6 for two years, but that the gutted engine and the Halo 5 backlash (and underperformance is sales) lead to a change in plans. This is when new/old Halo vet hires took place, Halo MCC was starting to be talked about again (after 3 years of the gane being left broken), and Infinite was announced. Basically, in 2017, 343i moved to fixed community relations by fixing MCC and rebooting Halo 6 development in to a classic looking Halo Infinite. Means Halo Infinite has only really been in development for 3 years (hence the rough looking state of the game).
@SirAngry I've not seen anything from MS or Sony to make me want to jump to next gen, game wise. I can be a patient person. I don't need to play new games the day and date they release either. The biggest draw for me is BC. When we had rumours that the PS5 was going to play all PS games, that excited me. The XSX BC could get me excited. Because I already know which games I enjoy and which are a good quality, and between all my consoles, I have thousands of them. With a healthy backlog to boot (some being big games from this gen that I'm looking forward to getting round to). The idea of playing these games at the absolute best quality is top of my list. Hell, I still have plenty of life in my Switch too. MS and Sony could delay next gen for another five years and I wouldn't even flinch.
I also apologise for the big wall of text. Did not realise I wrote that much. Would not blame you for not reading.
@DavLFC apology accepted! Have a great day!
Doesnt really matter what the launch line up is on Ps5, I am buying it day 1.
Will probably buy Godfall and Spider Man IF there launch titles...... If not, Destiny 2 is coming to Ps5 and with the next big DLC coming in November that will keep me busy.
One more swing Sony just one more your gonna have Xbox on its knees. Tbf id drop the price tag now. show your not afraid. Make an undercut joke.. it's gonna happen.
@Richnj don't worry about the wall of text, I'll always read what people have to say as long as it is polite. I know a few people who actually transitioned from Bungie to 343i actually, they're both friends and colleagues. The core of the original team was Bungie staff who wanted to make the step up in their careers, but who had been denied progress. Right from the beginning you are right, 343i was mismanaged, but I do have to say on behalf of Devs who work in dysfunction studios, and I know what that is like, the way people besmirch you when you are doing your best in difficult circumstances doesn't help. It's not fair, the truth is you do what you're told and it's always a small group of people to blame for the culture and design decisions.
My point about ODST and Reach being controversial was to point out even Bungie had issues with taking Halo forward. ODST because of it's structure and yeah, sorry, bit Reach was criticised by many at the time for it's art direction. My concern is that for anyone to really take the franchise forward it needs to take a break. I do not think 343i is the team to take it forward, the turnover alone shows things aren't run well there.
However, more pertinently I think it, the reveal of Halo Infinite shows that maybe Microsoft still don't know how to handle the franchise, and more importantly what a good game looks like. High up people in Microsoft actually thought that video looked good. They actually thought that was a mic drop moment, but it wasn't, it was a face plant moment.
Going forward, it will be interesting to see what Sony have for day 1 and the initial 6 month launch window. I heard that day 1 the PS5 will have Spiderman Miles Morales, Returnal, GT7 and Sackboy. If that's true I think it's a pretty decent looking line up. Within 3 months the suggestion is we'll see Ratchet & Clank and Demon's Souls, then Summer time Horizon Forbidden West. If that's remotely true that's actually a highly impressive line up I think. Sony need to let people know what their plans are though, because quite frankly their communications have been utterly pathetic.
@Trajan I know. I think you missed the joke.
Going by the latest Spider-Man screenshots... DAMN! Even if they’re only 1440p with raytracing with an optional 4K/60 I would go with the raytracing option it looks amazing! But Sony have still to announce games hopefully SOCOM, Silent Hill, God Of War. But does anyone think Sony have a massive card up their sleeve? I’m guessing a huge multiplat game is gonna be unveiled as exclusive for a year.. who knows what game but if I was a betting man for a system seller move I’d put it down as COD! And word on the street is if SOCOM is being made it’ll be a launch title aswell! BOOM so called console wars over.. 🤣🤣
@Jslade You may be better off keeping your One S for the amount you'll receive for it. After all, the One S will continue to get the latest exclusives for years.
@RBMango Shame no one else mentioned Kena: Bridge of Spirits, it's one of the major reasons I'm buying a PS5 day one, besides Spider-Man: Miles Morales.
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