A week and a bit later, and we’ve all just about recovered from Microsoft’s acquisition of Bethesda. Discussion has turned back to the PlayStation 5 and its roster of games, but analysts are still attempting to diagnose the effects of the buyout. And speaking with GamingBolt, Wedbush Securities’ Michael Pachter weighed in on the situation.
“It really depends on the deals that were in place,” he said. “Like Starfield I think is coming out soon, so it will probably be on both platforms. It’s really going to be new games coming in 2021 and beyond that will be exclusive, though if any have been announced for PlayStation, I think they will hit PlayStation. So, it’s not going to have any immediate impact.”
Pachter added that he does believe the acquisition will sell Xbox consoles and, crucially, Game Pass subscriptions – with The Elder Scrolls 6 being the biggest difference maker. “I think going forward, The Elder Scrolls is a 15 million unit seller, and I think that will sway people to Xbox. I think two-to-four million players who would otherwise have owned PlayStation will now own Xbox.”
But of course, there’s no release date attached to that particular title. “Bethesda’s studios, they are not prolific, but they do put out one or two games a year at least,” he continued. “For example, the last Elder Scrolls game came out in 2011, and I’ve been predicting a new one will come out since 2016 – I will be right eventually!”
Microsoft has said that it’ll release Bethesda’s games on PlayStation on a “case-by-case” basis, but it’s since suggested that the acquisition is all about strengthening the Xbox ecosystem in relation to its closest competitor. Realistically, it’ll be some years before we feel the repercussions of the buyout, so we’re just going to have to sit tight and see what happens.
[source gamingbolt.com]
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Yeah, that’s probably about right. There are still existing deals with other platforms and the Switch ports were welcome too. I reckon Elder Scrolls VI and Starfield will be exclusive but DOOM and Wolfenstein will be multiplat.
That sounds about right. I can imagine they're going to release the games they were already working on as intended, especially existing games with platform specific circumstances behind them like GhostWire and Deathloop on PS5 and the Switch port of DOOM Eternal. However, Starfield onwards will definitely be exclusives to Xbox on console. It's already kind of been soft confirmed by Phil Spencer saying Starfield will release day one on Xbox/PC through Game Pass, so we at least know it's a lock for those platforms.
Hmm, we shall see, if elder Scrolls IV doesn't come on ps5 then we shall know, I still hate that Microsoft has exclusive rights, I'm a huge elder Scrolls fan and I feel like someone kicked me in the dam teeth 🤬🤬
Prepare for games to be held back to make “Gamepass Launch Exclusive” a thing.
"I think two-to-four million players who would otherwise have owned PlayStation will now own Xbox.”
Blimey, do people actually pay this guy for his 'predictions', how can he justify such a variance in his guesswork, it's astonishing!!
If ES, Fallout or Starfield are exclusive, it'd be real sad. But after the surprise Genshin Impact has given me now by an unpopular dev plus no one actually caring about CDPR before TW3, I'm more concerned about the potential talents out there that could deliver even more exciting games, and we know Sony has a knack for finding those.
After launch when I see a comparison between series X and S I may buy a series S. Then do like many people on Xbox pay $15 for a month of game pass ultimate when a big game comes out then cancel until another one drops. 2 or 3 will be all you see per year anyway if that.
“Like Starfield I think is coming out soon, so it will probably be on both platforms. It’s really going to be new games coming in 2021 and beyond that will be exclusive, though if any have been announced for PlayStation, I think they will hit PlayStation. So, it’s not going to have any immediate impact.”
The thing is, Starfield has a projected release window of late 2022 to mid-2023, with the focus being on getting that out the door before Elder Scrolls VI. Tack on the two timed PS5 exclusives and it'll be a couple of years at the earliest before this becomes anything...and Sony will have already released a number of first party games, including (if the 2021 dates are to be believed) Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7, Horizon, and God of War.
Financial analysts know as much about video games as Donald Trump knows about particle physics.
Does anyone else feel bad about the other companies that were acquired?
I mean, all anyone talks about is Bethesda games. What about quality output from the other studios?
Microsoft bought ZeniMax and all that comes with it, it didn't just buy Bethesda.
I know I am enjoying Doom Eternal via Game Pass thanks to this acquisition!
@Futureshark I just looked this clown up and here's what he had to say about gamers not liking the end of Mass Effect 3: "That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general, Electronic Arts handled it fine. Whiny gamers are only going to cause their beloved games to take even longer between episodes"
If anyone takes the advice of this guy they deserve the financial burden they inherit.
I started to worry when I read that.
Until I realised Pachter said it. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery than Pachter making an accurate prediction. Atleast based on the last seven years of anything that rolls out of his mouth.
Pachter? You mean "PS3/360 will be the last console generation" Michael Pachter? Same guy lol?
We need to all come together and stop giving this dude attention
Well all I wanted was Starfield anyways. They cant keep The Elder Scrolls on Xbox. No loss to me.
Patcher been hiding.i have not heard from cuatro ojos for a long time.just keep dishonored.evil within.prey comes to ps5 and it will be all gravy.word up son
Even if work has already been done it makes little sense to release the games on PS4/PS5. A clear message needs to be sent that if you want to play bethesda games there is only one place to play them, thats PC or Xbox. It gives players a clear choice about which console they then choose.
I think we'll absolutely continue to see Bethesda titles on PlayStation. The difference will be that PS players will have to pay $/£70, whereas Xbox and PC can get the games on Game Pass for a small monthly fee.
Microsoft have continually demonstrated that they're not as concerned with locking their IP behind a box, they care more about the services and subscriptions, and don't mind selling on other platforms. The fact that Spencer didn't outright say "Yes, Bethesda games will all be Xbox exclusive from now" is more evidence. Sony wouldn't say that after an acquisition, nor would Nintendo.
Pachter gets paid for saying THE MOST OBVIOUS things
I'll probably end up with both anyway but I will say I'm more excited for Avowed from Obsidian then anything from Bethesda
@carlos82 Avowed, Fable, Starfield, and Elder Scrolls 6 are the only games announced that I have any interest in so far this gen. It's a shame Sony seems to not want to make massive open world rpgs and is focusing on short linear cinematic games. I was expecting a lot more.
XBOX LAUNCH EXCLUSIVE
They could easily release just the base games on PS5 and have all the DLC on XBox only, extra sales and content to persuade console switchers.
They could even do a Tomb Raider and also release the XBox version earlier too.
Michael Pachter AND Gamingbolt!
We need more of those 🤓
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Nah
with their cloud gaming, why does anyone need an xbox? I feel like they're pushing their service more than the console. They want to be the next netflix and not the next console.
Do you know what the funniest thing about this is ? Way before any of this Xbox especially Phil Spencer even came out and said they don’t see Sony a competitor anymore?😂😂😂 tbh there is only ONE game which is the Dishonoured series that I would miss! Wolfenstein seems it’s ran dry now! The rest DONT really interest me!
lol All these games will be exclusive on Xbox and PC. Microsoft maybe would bring something to a Nintendo console but that’s it. I don’t think any titles will be released on PlayStation after the current deals are complete.
If only ES and the like are exclusive (we still get Doom and Dishonered) I will be happy. I will have those big open world Bethesda games on PC for mods. Anything I want on PS5 though. I'll play PC if I'm forced though.
@Orpheus79V
Indeed, expect games to launch first on Gamepass and never be allowed on PS Now, but I suspect they’ll release on PS5 standalone.
@Bloodklot It does not matter. It’s all Xbox. They are choices for people. Some will go with a console, others a PC and some with Game Streaming. In the end, it expands the Xbox Ecosystem.
@Bloodklot Well i guess Microsoft, is not trying to sell Xbox in an hardware sense,but Xbox in a software sense,so typical Microsoft behaviour,hence no matter what device you are using ,you are still buying into their xbox ecosystem(almost like windows).
@SuperSaeko PC is fine for some people if you want to sit at a desk or have a big PC hooked up in the living room which for many people is not an option. Consoles sell great due to their convenience and they are usually placed in the living room with a big tv.
When you're right 50% of the time, you're wrong 50% of the time. I didn't even read the article. Michael Pachter is not an expert in video game markets. Ignore.
Genuinely don't give a damn about Elder Scrolls and all that.
I just want more Evil Within and Dishonored on PS5.
@huyi So now you know how it feels to be an Xbox owner who doesn't have Spider-Man
let the salt flow
It will never impact my playstation experience. Not played any of their games.
Microsoft won’t put resources into their own in house studios so they gotta buy a publisher with a heavily tarnished reputation to compensate lmao! I hope Bethesda turns it around under the Microsoft umbrella, but I’m not buying an Xbox to play those games when I’ve got a PC that’ll smoke the Series X.
So it probably will impact PlayStation immediately? Because that guy is always wrong.
You can keep the inevitable Fallout 77 a Xbox exclusive though
Yours faithfully - Every PS owner on the planet
The fact that people still report Pachter's opinions in 2020 utterly baffles me.
I'm pretty sure noone among the PS staff has any trust in his words, but alas these articles still exist.
This Pachter guy has been famously wrong before, he claimed the PS3 and Xbox 360 were the end of the consoles because streaming would have pushed them out, and then he claimed the next consoles, PS4 and Xbox One, would be the last successful consoles. While we have yet to know that the next gen will be more successful, it is a reasonable assumption that they will be. Like a video game, the consoles have upgraded their character and acquired special skills, such as the SSD. Now we can challenge the Load Demon with larger worlds and more happening! In order to have this next gen, we need dedicated hardware that a robust internet connection isn't going to match.
" I will be right eventually!”
-Michael Patcher
There, we finally have it. His first reliable prediction, ever!
Also...wow, the console hasn't even launched and we're already getting NLife Patcher stories. It's like reliving 2012 WiiU all over again!
Remember when he predicted Vita would doom 3DS? Good times....
@thefourfoldroot or Plus.
ES6 is my number one game that I'm most interested in for the future, so if it became MS exclusive, that would really suck. If they made it a delayed release, even a whole year, I'd play it on the PS5. But if it were never coming to the PS5, I guess I'd figure out a way to connect my laptop to my TV, get a controller for it, and try to play it that way.
PC games always, always crash though, so I'm not excited about that prospect.
@NEStalgia It's honestly sad thinking about how much missed potential the Vita essentially left behind. It practically had everything going in its favor to do almost as well as the PSP if not better than the 3DS. I still expected the 3DS to be more popular but Sony really shot themselves in both feet when it came to marketing and the decisions made with the console.
Of course it won't affect Playstation owners for a while. Since MS bought quite a few studio's in 2018, there has been very few games released from those studio's for just Microsoft and most have been multi-platform releases.
Obviously the games that Sony paid to have timed Exclusivity, they still have so it will not immediately impact them at all. It really depends on the games that are in development - like Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield and whatever hasn't been announced. It could well be a few years before Sony gamers could start missing out on games from these studio's.
@710King How can you forget about Horizon Zero Dawn? 😮 One of the best open world RPG's of the last few years.
Microsoft acquired Mojang (Minecraft) for $2.5 billion and threw it on every platform possible. I can't see them spending 3x that amount and not doing something similar, albeit with timed windows and a console exclusive sprinkled in here and there.
Pachter? Is that still a thing?
@Bentleyma- HZD is an RPGlite/action RPG/casualRPG/whatever you want to call them with a focused linear narrative and a static character. I want true massive epic RPGs where you create your character and make choices that alter the gameplay and plot substantially. I do enjoy HZD and will get HFW when it comes out but they aren't games I will drop 1000's of hours into like true RPG's.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
@resigamer28
Fight! Fight! My money's on the morally superior one.
I think the same thing, but considering it's a Pachter prediction, probably the opposite is going to happen.
@huyi just means it's time for me to start tuning my PC. I had been a console only gamer this generation because I was lazy. But now I have to. Sigh it's gonna suck playing the new Bethesda games moving forward and seeing their logo come up. But it is what it is.
@TheFrenchiestFry That's kinda their thing, apparently....
But yeah. Though as much potential at it had, I think the memory cards killed it one way, and the lack of all available buttons killed it the other way. Then trying to sell the device that lacks all the buttons as primarily a PS4 accessory killed it a second time. Everything else was sauce for the gravy. Not continuing much of anything in the way of cross play once ps4 was out was heartbreaking.
I'm happy switch ended up doing everything vita wanted to go, and then some. At least that concept didn't die.
It’s quite ironic when you think back to Spencer saying he wants games to be as accessible to as many gamers as possible yet in one move has likely cut off many games to millions...
@Dodoo lol he meant, more gamers on Xbox, PC, mobile devices and maybe Nintendo.
Nothing would be affected anytime soon anyways. Right after the reports of the buy happened, there was a statement that stated:
"Microsoft said the ZeniMax deal will close in the second half of fiscal year 2021, and have minimal impact on adjusted operating income in fiscal years 2021 and 2022."
Meaning, there is nothing MS can really do until the deal is finalized. So until that time it is just operations as per norm for everybody. For the time being, Bethesda will still be doing multi ports of their games without worries.
@resigamer28 lol and you just became another pleb with that idiotic phrase. Congratulations.
@God_of_Nowt
Exactly, but fanboys will have you think otherwise lol. Its a damn shame, but fanboys have swamped YouTube and other sites, its like they're worth and confidence is somehow tied to their favorite console manufacturer.
So Starfield is NOT coming to PS5 confirmed! Seriously who in their right mind believes this clown. Literally every console that releases, he expects next-gen hardware to be released next year starting in year 2 and runs with that prediction every year after that till it actually happens. 😂
@redd214 For real. He's a PoS.
Wow. So people still listen to this dude? This so called analyst is almost always wrong, so I hope he might be right about this
I'll get a PC for Elder Scrolls and Fallout before I ever get an Xbox. Microsoft wont get a penny from me.
@SonuvLiberty
What operating system are you running this game on?
Also care to elaborate how MS won't be seeing a penny from you considering you are intending to play games that "might" be a part of their published catalogue going forward?
@TrolleyProblems idk big guy the new Elder Scrolls and Fallout have not been announced what systems they are releasing on. Could be a PS5 operating system if I'm lucky Unless they are only selling digital copies I can buy it used, therefore they see not a single penny from me.
By the time es6 finally comes out we will be close to the next-next gen. If you dont own a pc then you can buy a second-hand Xbox series s for about 150€/£/$ by then..no worries here. Starfield will be the next big mess for Bethesda I think. A new ip on the same engine as fallout so I have no hopes for that game
@GamingFan4Lyf
If I were to guess, its not that people don't care, its that the other studios are not really going to make an impact.
Personally the only studio that saddens me is Arkane. They can have Bethesda and they can have Id, no big loss. The other studios I don't think I have ever heard of, let alone played any of their games, so I don't really care who owns them.
put it this way Elder Scrolls & Fallout are games that need to stay MP because they prop up the other games that do not make much money if MS makes them just Xbox Bethesda will slow output in a few years.
let's not forget they have to make good games first.
@Slippship for reals!!! I have doom - that's it lol they can have Bethesda -
Honestly I'd rather have the bethesda games then most of Sony's 1st party games. It's just games the more niche Japanese roleplaying games that make me get a Sony console and with FFXVI being only a timed exclusive and everything being on PC now I'm honestly considering getting out of consoles.
@kingv84 @rachetmarvel Imagine playing xbox cloud gaming on a PS5 lol Not that would ever happen but it would be funny. Pretty sure someone down the line will hack the PS5 and out the XBOX Cloud app to the PS5.
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