Wow! It’s been a bonkers 24 hours for PlayStation 5 rumours, as first images of the next-gen console’s user interface have allegedly leaked – but we’ve been unable to verify their authenticity. Among the leaks is a video of the system’s start-up sequence, images that suggest the console will include 664GB of usable storage space, and more. However, it could all be a big hoax!
Let’s recap events first and foremost. Overnight, a Reddit user claimed to have access to the PS5, and posted various photos of the system, some of which appeared to be fake or stolen from other sources. The poster then went on to claim that, in return for €100, they’d upload footage of the boot sequence. That’s since been shared online, and you can view it below:
Is it legitimate? We genuinely don’t know. The black DualSense controller is apparently the one that comes with development kits, and does appear to be authentic; it’s worth noting that the login screen is consistent with the one that the Japanese giant teased all the way back in June during its Future of Gaming event.
All of the leaks appear to be coming out of Russia, but we’ve been unable to corroborate what we’re actually seeing and whether it’s legitimate. If it’s real, it looks like the console takes about 20 seconds to boot which isn’t much faster than the PS4 Pro, although this could be a prototype unit or a devkit as mentioned above. And that’s assuming it’s real to begin with.
The story doesn’t end there, however. As alluded earlier, low-resolution off-screen photographs of what is purported to be the PS5’s UI have also appeared online. These images allege that the console has 664GB of usable hard drive space, with Astro’s Playroom using up around 2.4GB of that space. There is a clear mouse cursor on the photograph, which does call into question its validity.
You may be wondering how the 825GB that’s been advertised alongside the PS5 ends up only offering 664GB of usable storage space. Well, the real-world capacity of the console should be 768GB when correctly converted. This means that, should the leak be accurate, the device’s operating system would be using up the leftover space. You will be able to extend the storage space, and you can find out Which SSD Drives Will Be Compatible with PS5 through the link.
Other, seemingly new, photographs of the alleged console show its display stand, as well as removable face plates. These appear to line up with images that we’ve seen from manufacturing in the past, but have never been officially verified. It wouldn’t be impossible to 3D print objects of this nature, so retain a degree of scepticism when looking at these.
Alas, we’ll try to get confirmation from Sony, but we’re not expecting a response. Assuming this is real, it won’t be the way the manufacturer wanted the UI to be revealed. Of course, this was always the danger when the company decided to keep it a secret; we’re just over a month away from launch now, so things were always going to begin leaking online.
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664GB of usable storage?
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664gb isn’t as bad as I expected !
I'm assuming, if real, that it's including Astro's Playroom. Should be slightly more after you remove this.
The bloatware alone will take up a fair chunk.
Sounds plausible, don't forget Astro Bot is pre installed and it'll likely reserve space for features like quick resume
Sammy, you sure about the GiB GB calculation? You can't just convert it from GB to GiB, then substract something in GB, and conclude the final number in GB.
I'm not sure I believe this. As is always the case with things like this, why are the images so terrible? We're in an age now where people have incredible cameras on their phones. Also, why not extend the video so we can see more features if the person genuinely has a PS5 in front of them.
That said, even if this does all turn out to be a gigantic hoax, I fully recommend you start getting used to the idea of there being about 650GB to 700GB of usable space available at launch. It'll be in that ballpark.
@Octane It's confusing, isn't it? I guess the OS would technically be GiB, too, right? I'll edit that part out, though, because I'm not an expert.
I bet that for me all the storage will be full Day One lol
@Yinx Your assuming you'll be able to delete it. Playroom on PS4 couldn't be removed.
@JapaneseSonic Wait! You don't do that??
@Ridwaano
See all those games cluttering up your XMB that you no longer play? Well, you can delete them now to free up space for new games.
You're welcome.
Interesting but I'll remain skeptical.
664 gb of usable space sounds about right to be honest. A chunk of the ssd was always going to need to be reserved for the operating system
Black controller? have they sent out black PS5 development units similar to how they did them with the first Playstation?
@get2sammyb
It's fake:
https://mobile.twitter.com/wild_salt949/status/1312415697478316032
That boots as fast as my Pro with an MX500 SSD in it, seems slow 🤔
COD and 2 other AAA games that will be it full
I'm hoping it's a 1tb ssd, and they're just saying 825gb, because they have taken the operating system, etc., into account already.
@Yinx I mentioned the cursor in the article. Some have speculated that this could be photographs from a video of the UI, or screenshots being viewed on a computer.
While it does call into question the legitimacy big time, I'm not sure that completely rules this out. (Although I'm very sceptical as well!)
@PhhhCough While it's good to be optimistic, they would definitely advertise it as 1TB if that was the case.
Figured most of us would eventually need to expand storage anyway by the time those NVMe PCIs get enough of a price drop. The biggest news for me here is that removable (custom/3rd party) case panels is closer to being confirmed... hopefully no need to wait for a 'black PS5.'
@nessisonett That's no way to talk about the PS5 OS!
That's not a lot of space in this day and age for games if true.
Has it ever been officially confirmed that you can store games on an external HDD, then copy it onto the SSD whenever you want to play them? If so, that would help calm my storage fears.
@Ridwaano my thoughts exactly
@JapaneseSonic Yes!
As long as you can painlessly move games from an external to the ssd not a big deal imo. Got an 8TB clunker waiting to get loaded up!
I reckon them removable face-plates are true. Because when I was a Sony insider under NDA before it got taken down due to leaks, they was asking questions about new gen consoles and removable face-plates to customize the look of the console and they would sell themed face-plates like God of war etc…, plus wood effect and more.
So, they thought what a great idea, make them white so 99% will hate them and sell the face-plates at around £50 and there will be gloss black or Matt, so they can make a bomb of money from it.
That's enough storage for 2 Call of Duty games
My 1TB PS4 Pro has around 861GB available, presumably using the 139GB for the OS. Yet my 8TB external only has 7.35TB available...so what is the 650GB of external space used for?
664? If true that’ll do me. I’ve been rocking a 500gb launch model which has less than 400gb for game storage. I still have nearly 100gb of that free.
So, getting more than 50% extra, and games are smaller or same size at worst. Looks like I won’t have to buy any additional storage, thankfully.
660 GB usable space is about what was expected I supposed for an 825GB SSD. It’s on par with the Series X 1TB SSD that has 800GB usable space.
@JapaneseSonic People throw away their CONSOLES!? Well I just use them as Controllers afterwards. That's how I broke my Switch. Using as a Wiimote for Wii Sports. Probably one of my worst ideas.
Fake as hell.
The stand is not straight.sony has markings of their sacred symbols on every ps5 product.
Plus the controller share and options button are mirrored precise.
The controllers led function is also not on.
If someone would leak it they would turn that on to show off.
@Medic_Alert
Yeah, because advertising something as 8TB, but only getting slightly over 7TB (+350GB) is quite misleading.
That's like 160GB for the system, it's ok.
XSX uses almost 200GB.
664GB is less than I like but it can hold about 10 AAA games like demons souls or 9 AAA games and 6-60 2D indie games, which is pretty good I think.
I'm so used to playing one or two games at a time, and deleting them once I'm done that I have a hard time understanding how difficult it is for people to manage 664GB of usable storage.
I mean, can you really play so many games at once? Aren't you collecting installs for the sake of having icons on screen?
Maybe Sony should go the Nintendo way and "archive" the games. They would still show up in the UI, but after X days without playing them, they are uninstalled from the system.
looks legit to me.
Ample storage for my games, movies, apps, photos, and capture data? Nah, I'd like as little as possible because Sony can do no wrong.
Like seriously what is it with people? 664GB is like smartphone territory. Far be it from me to expect the skyscraper in my living room to hold more than that thing I put in my pocket.
It's not too bad, especially when you consider that you can ADD a second ssd, unlike previous Playstations where you had to replace the hdd. I replaced my PS3 40 gb hdd to a 500 gb, which I still use today and it's nowhere near full. On my PS4 I didn't bother replacing the hdd, I just got used to deleting some games and redownload them as needed.
Also, the PS5 supports external hdds for PS4 games, so I'll probably connect one of those. All in all I don't think I'll run out of storage on my PS5.
@Makina Xbox Series X 1TB will have 802GB of free space. This is more space than PS5.
@thefourfoldroot you need to buy some games dude
@lacerz so part of it it about the difference between GB and GiB, which are often presented interchangeably when there's about a 5% difference between the two. This is where it's misleading about the amount of raw storage space.
That raw storage space is kinda useless though, as it needs formatting with some sort of File Allocation Table type of thing, so the operating system knows where to look for things on the drive, and where to store things. Newer drive formats also include stuff like a journaling system to recover files in the case of corruption, etc etc, so you end up with less usable space then there is raw drive space, as you essentially have a load of invisible files which are part of making the drive usable.
2gb short. Dammit
@SoSolidSnake to be fare I'm only using this gen for ps5 exclusives anyway and the new cod, i own the pro and one x and bought the series s just for games pass. I will still use my one x for older rpg games at 4k 30fps and my pro i will use until all my mates shift to ps5. So I'm not getting rid of my other consoles anytime soon. But for game that need the extra horsepower il defo use ps5 and the series for the that. And my logic tells me that being Sony they will alway have a mid gen refresh, so i will buy another ps5 Pro when it's out and the series x until xbox finally have enough games to warrant buying one. So i give them two years from now 😂. Games like wolfenstein last blood and new colossus still run and look great on one x. Same with the witcher 3.but again this post looks fake as *****. Black controller looks a mess ✌️
@Deljo
Lol, I have bought and sold many games. Downloaded, completed and deleted others. 323 on PS4 to be precise. 426 on PS3, PS4 and VITA combined.
I have a problem not finishing games I don’t like.
Never had an issue with PS3 or 4 hard drive sizes (nor Xbox or 360). Only issues I’ve had are on VITA and Switch.
I'm really dying to know if it will be a multimedia beast like the PS3 or a terrible one like the PS4. I still can't believe I can't copy my music, photos and video files to the PS4. Also will PS5 support the giant amount of codecs and audio formats the PS3 did. Hope a Youtuber blows the lid once they get it.
Honestly, the fact that Sony hasn't been forthcoming with much information this late in the game only leads to these kind of leaks and information/misinformation. Instead of being proactive, they've put themselves in the unenviable position of having to be reactive...and they're even failing at that.
I have 4 TB of storage on my PS4. I really hope you can connect more than one additional SSD. I hate to delete and redownload games. I want a quite big library on my system, at least in 1-2 years from now.
@lacerz I hope this leak is accurate as they deserve it for being so secretive while the competition is being as open as possible.
If it’s true about the compression technology then 664gb will hold a decent amount of games. And it looks like the rumours may be true if astros playroom is just 2.4gb? Surely the PS4 version of playroom is more than 2.4gb someone may be able to correct me
The OS on things nowadays is getting to be too much for the pre-installed storage. Can't wait until the consoles start coming with 3 TB in the hard drive with 500 gbs worth of os.
@zupertramp I can't say I've ever seen a phone with about 600GBs of storage. Do they exist?
@AJDarkstar That's bloated Windows for ya.
@Orpheus79V I was under the impression most top tier phones were 512GB. I realize that's less than 600 but it feels like they shouldn't even be in the same league. Then again these phones are twice the price so maybe that's not an apt comparison.
@thefourfoldroot 😜 was only joking, I'm the type that likes everything on there incase I want to play something on a whim. Especially vr games which are all digital. I've a 1tb pro and a 2tb external and I'm still having to delete things which really pisses me off, kinda wish i was more focused like you...
@Orpheus79V
“@zupertramp I can't say I've ever seen a phone with about 600GBs of storage. Do they exist?”
Apple makes a phone with 512 GB of space. It also can play a ton of games. Available at the low low price of $1,449, OR the equivalent of 3 PS5 disc versions.
@Deljo
Lol, I’m the opposite of focused. I just swing from one game to another. Unless I really like a game a lot, then I complete it, usually go for the platinum, then delete it when finished.
This goes more for VR for me, those games are usually quite short. The only ones I’ve still got on the HD is Skyrim VR, as I really want to finish it, in theory, and Astro Bot (because best platformer ever).
Another reason for me to wait. That's not enough drive space and launch consoles always seem to have issues anyway.
Why the hell would anyone spend €100 just to see the UI?!?! MADNESS!
All of the leaks are coming out of Russia, so yes these are fake.
For me the main odd thing about this video is the bootup time is about the same as a PS4. Doesn't seem right given the SSD.
@NorrinRadd Oh. Fair enough then. Those phones are pretty expensive though, to be fair. A $500 4K console can only go so far with SSD storage compared to a flagship phone where astronomical prices are more accepted. Crazy that phones can get that much regardless of pricing though.
It makes you wonder what a $1000 PS5 could offer spec wise in an alternate world.
@crimsontadpoles Been looking for the answer to that question for quite a while. Some articles have said yes, some make it sound like it has been confirmed not to work. I like to think it will of course. Cerny said that if you are looking for extended storage for ps5 games that ideally you would use an SSD. But in the context of that statement I think he was referring strictly to the playing of ps5 games not using it as an archive.
@Medic_Alert
The storage is expandable 👍🏻
@Orpheus79V I have a Galaxy S10+ that has 1TB of internal and I also inserted a micro sd with 512gb. Is very convenient walking around with with my entire life in my pocket 😆
@PhhhCough
It's 825gb because that lines up with the RAM, CPU AND GPU in terms of thread count. Mark Cerny covered this in the deep dive earlier in the year. Its why the PS5 speeds are twice that of the XSX
@Orpheus79V
TBF, I was kind of pointing that out to show how much of a deal we are actually getting for the technology that exists inside a PS5. You are right - it would be really cool to see what tech a $1,000 PS5 could have in it.
Also, being an American in 2020, I really enjoy considering the possibility of alternate/parallel universes!
People complain about storage but then only play Fortnite for the rest of their lives.
Enough space to download a COD game
Yikes.... 664GB of usable storage... when I’m finally able to find one towards the end of 2021 I’ll be making sure to save up money for a compatible 2TB NvMe SSD as well, because that probably won’t last very long...
I have never worried or put much stock into what some unknown random anonymous person post on the internet. Even when I feel it could possibly be true. In this case I doubts about the whole video.
1 I don't believe it is real ! Even if it was it would be a dev kit so means nothing !
@HotGoomba Let’s see what the Series S will be!!
@Orpheus79V @NorrinRadd As I've stated elsewhere, the storage capacity given it's an SSD isn't a deal breaker. But let's not pretend it's a selling point either. Console isn't even out yet and most folks are already eyeing expanded storage. If that doesn't point to an insufficiency, I don't know what does. Also the aforementioned phones aren't necessarily 1K+ because of the hard drive.
All that said, @NorrinRadd, I can appreciate your affinity for alternate realities.
Has anyone thought that maybe this guy has games downloaded to the console beforehand?
@Beefy01 oops, I missed that. what does that mean for extended ssd storage? Are we stuck with sonys proprietary ssd'? For optimization. Or will third party ssd' be just as "fast"
If it runs out, I expand later on. Not an issue.
@PhhhCough the expansion bay is a standard NVMe gen4
Once controllers like the Phison e18 hit the market you will get a flood of 7,000 GB/s third party drives that are just as fast.
https://www.sabrent.com/rocket-4-plus/
Theres a lot of fake and FUD atm so its difficult to get an idea.
@JapaneseSonic it would be nice if they made an option to keep game save data but delete the game install.. that's the only reason I'm hesitant to delete games... I don't want to lose story saves
@Royalblues same here.. I sorta thought/hoped it was 1TB and they were marketing the usable space
@Medic_Alert 980 pro and there are a couple of others. Yet to be confirmed for sure, but they’re out there.
@Angelus3K True. True. Even if I'm buying that, you are very correct.
@crimsontadpoles yes you can.
Interface doesn’t look real. I would take with a grain of salt especially as it’s coming from Russia.
XSX boot takes around 5 seconds, this looks as sluggish as before. Also 664gb for some reason I feel is real, that would make around 8-9 games, knowing console leaves 40-50gb reserved for media saves and update downloads. So we looking at not so nice and very last gen 600gb
Hopefully, Sony encourages developers to utilize the latest compression technologies to alleviate the problem of having such limited storage capacity. The fact that Sony doesn't even have upgradability options — proprietary or otherwise - is also concerning.
I find it surprising that nobody sees the issue of leakers doing Sony's job here. None of this would be happening if Sony wasn't keeping everything under wraps.
I don't know why they install a NVMe drive day 250gb for the os only the games have as much SSD space it can get
@nessisonett Its the OS same goes for the Xbox.
@Medic_Alert they never once said you need 7.0GB/s. That is a bold face lie.
Go rewatch the video and please tell me exactly where they said that speed was needed. Why do people need to make ***** up to make information fit their false narrative?? It’s pathetic.
I can tell you for a fact that he NEVER SAYS THAT.
Anyone doubting it the video is linked for your own confirmation. What was said is you’d need a drive that’s slightly faster than theirs (which is 5.5GB/s) and that by years end pcie gen 4 would hit saturation at 7.0GB/s. It’s nobody’s fault but your own that you aren’t able to understand simple and clear information.
https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg
Edit: also, you spread this misinformation around quite frequently, tell me, why do you feel the need to misinform people?
@Medic_Alert I’m just sick and tired of people making crap up all the time and passing it off as fact.
The fact is that there are a few drives out currently (or by year’s end) that will in all likelihood get certification to work with the ps5.
And given that the release price of a 980pro is only 10$ more than the Xbox proprietary drive we can expect to be paying much less than that within a year.
@Medic_Alert I have made no assumptions. I passed nothing off as fact, have I?
What assumptions are you claiming I’ve made exactly?
I never once said loads of drives; I said a few and sabrent rocket 4 plus and 980 pro off the top of my head alone prove this to be true! You’ll notice I said in all likelihood that’s not a guarantee or assumption at all!! It is likely for those to get certification as even push square said.
In short you’re the only one making assumptions here bud. 🤦♂️
Edit: as for the prices, proprietary tech never goes down in price (at least not for a LONG time) third party tech always drops in price quickly due to competition it’s really not that difficult a concept bud.
who in russia has a ps5 though lol, the person who leaked the video was japanese so i call bs
@RenanKJ
I average about four games at once.
On Switch I’m playing Fortnite, Valkyria Chronicles 4, Luigi’s Mansion 3, and Dragon Quest XI. I do the weekly and daily Fortnite challenges and then go to one of the other three.
23 games on a 256 SD and I’ve still got 130 gigs left.
On PS5 I’m going back to discs and I’ll probably have three at a time.
@Medic_Alert There are 3 announced drives to be available soon with at least 7000mbps read speed (1 is even over 7000).
Semi on topic, I don't remember the the specifics of the Cerny presentation, other than the drive being 5500mbps raw speed. Did he actually say 7000mbps for a compatible drive? I see this quoted all the time but everyone fails to provide a reference.
@Menchi he said they'd need to be faster than the internal drive to make up for reduced connectivity, and then spoke about how 7000Mb/s drives would be coming out later in the year. Everything else is speculation, even if it's the logical leap he was leading us to make.
@theheadofabroom I just rewatched it a few minutes ago, the 7000mbps comment he made is practically unrelated so everyone spouting that is entirely wrong. There was absolutely no logical leap to the 7000mbps imo. It's said completely separate. He was comparing max PCIE 3.0 speeds to PCIE 4.0 speeds and made no indication it was related to what was needed.
He did say "at least of equal to speed our drive" and "ideally, slightly faster to make up for any possible issues that might arise due to less priority levels" though. So I can see a 5500 working, and a 6200 being enough to cover bases, 7000+ being overkill.
@Menchi yeah, it's not 100% clear what qualifies being as fast, whether that's the sustained bandwidth at the drive's bus interface, or whether that's the effective speed by the time you reach the CPU, GPU, RAM. The latter is likely to be less than the former, which makes everything unclear.
I'm waiting for there to be some certified compatible drives before I consider anything obvious, and in the mean time I can see why people would jump to conclusions. It's a classic case of trying to communicate something incredibly complex in a way that the layperson might understand. You end up losing the detail needed for experts to have any clarity, and laypeople will still misunderstand. I'd far prefer they'd laid things out in technical lingo and let there be in-depth articles explaining exactly what it means for the average Joe.
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