Update (26th November, 2020): The footballer rights row is showing no signs of slowing, with both FIFPro and agents like Mino Raiola joining the discussion. First, the response from FIFPro, embedded below:
In light of recent media reports, FIFPro wishes to clarify the manner in which it obtains the image rights of players, and its role in defending the employment rights of professional footballers worldwide. FIFPro, a not-for-profit organisation, acquires image rights via player unions in nearly 60 countries. These rights are made available to Electronic Arts and other clients in the video gaming industry. FIFPro’s relationship with the video gaming companies complements separate arrangements they directly agree with clubs, leagues, governing bodies, and individual players. FIFPro member unions decide how best to use the revenue generated, either by distributing funds directly among players or providing services in kind such as legal advice, second-career planning, and mental and physical assistance. FIFPro is reaching out to the players and their representation that have recently raised concerns so we can address their questions. As the COVID-19 pandemic severely impacts the football industry, we are proud of our member unions for having supported tens of thousands of footballers around the world.
Meanwhile, Mino Raiola – a big-shot agent who represents a number of high-profile footballers, including Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Paul Pogba – from weighing in on the situation. Earlier in the week, he posted the following on Twitter earlier in the week:
That's prompted EA Sports to release the following statement:
Mino Raiola is a respected player representative who we have partnered with for many years, including this year when our relationship ensured his client Erling Haaland would be part of our FIFA 21 marketing campaign. We have also enjoyed a great working relationship with Zlatan Ibrahimović, who has appeared in every FIFA since 2002 and regularly received awards as part of our FUT experience. Gareth Bale’s eSports Company Elleven utilises our FIFA game as a key platform for his professional eSports athletes and we’re confident Gareth and his team see significant value in our partnership, as evidenced through this recently released content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERNNZv-bBWk
There's no sign of this row dying down just yet, but the latest round of statements should at least temporarily quell the conversation.
Update (25th November, 2020): EA Sports has sent us a strongly worded statement in response to the player rights row exploding on social media this week. It told us that recent events are an attempt to drag FIFA 21 into "a dispute between a number of 3rd parties and has little to do with EA Sports".
Here's its statement in full:
We are aware of discussions around licensing of players in EA Sports FIFA. The current situation being played out on social media is an attempt to draw FIFA 21 into a dispute between a number of 3rd parties and has little to do with EA Sports.
To be very clear, we have contractual rights to include the likeness of all players currently in our game. As already stated, we acquire these licenses directly from leagues, teams, and individual players. In addition, we work with FIFPro to ensure we can include as many players as we can to create the most authentic game. In these instances, our rights to player likenesses are granted through our club agreement with AC Milan and our long-standing exclusive partnership with the Premier League, which includes all players for Tottenham Hotspur.
So, effectively, it's saying that it's fulfilling its legal obligations, and that players would be better taking issue with the organisations selling their rights and not the game itself. That seems fair. All the same, this row looks set to rumble on.
Original Story: It was all looking like a routine week for EA Sports and FIFA 21, until AC Milan’s Zlatan Ibrahimovic took to social media. The iconic forward – who once scored a bicycle kick from outside the penalty area against England – said it was “time to investigate” the use of his name and likeness in the uber-popular football game. Tottenham winger Gareth Bale quickly followed with a similar comment. And now The Athletic reports that, while there’s currently no coordinated effort from professionals, more are poised to object to the title’s use of their names and likenesses in the game.
Image rights are a complicated issue for sports, and it’s why we’ve seen a huge decline in tennis games in recent years. With titles like Tennis World Tour 2, the rights need to be negotiated for each player individually, which is an enormous headache for publishers. Leagues like the NFL and NBA have Player Associations, which license out the names and likenesses of the sport’s top talent, where football is governed by FIFPro.
However, it seems that by and large those image rights are offloaded to individual leagues, such as the Premier League and La Liga. Of Europe’s top five leagues, only Serie A has not collectivised its video game rights. EA Sports says that it has an individual deal with AC Milan, which is why Zlatan Ibrahimovic can be included in the game. Sustained pressure from professionals could, however, in theory put pressure on how these contracts are negotiated.
It’s definitely interesting stuff. Licensing is obviously a huge selling-point for FIFA, not just because of its offline modes, but also because of Ultimate Team; cards are coveted because they’re based on real-world professionals. Legally, we have to imagine EA Sports is doing everything above board here, but increased scrutiny is the last thing it needs as it continues to battle governments globally over its use of microtransactions as well.
[source twitter.com, via twitter.com]
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Going off the headline, I thought this was going to be about them objecting to how crap the likenesses are, with FIFA players tending to look like weird living mannequins, rather than to using the likenesses without permission. I'm not sure that EA are necessarily doing everything above board with this; they did advertise gambling to children, after all.
It's probably more a case that they can just say "Here at EA we have high standards (audience sniggers) and in this case we didn't meet those high standards. We believed that X, Y, and Z were part of FIFPro and blah blah" if they get called out on it. I mean, the fact Bale didn't even know what FIFPro is shows how they can get away with it through ignorance.
Time for an update patch switching to Zaltan Ibrohimabit and Gerald Ball.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L If you were in a video game without you knowing and a company is profiting millions and millions off of you without your consent, won't that piss you off? Doesn't matter how much you make.
But at the same time, they have been in multiple FIFAs before and PES, so why speak up now?
The league owning your likeness without proper consent and understanding is the first step towards the American system with regards to how their college age players have zero rights and see none of the revenue they generate. As much as football players are paid a whole lot of taxable money, they should still have a say as to where their faces appear, which should be all anyone can expect really.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L well said. Zero sympathy for multi millionaires when so many people work harder, contribute more to society and make less in their lifetime than people like him do in a matter of months or weeks.
And to answer the other guy's question, no I wouldn't mind. I'm not greedy and have worked several times on projects for free as part of my career. As long as I earn enough, I don't complain.
Don't think its about defending EA necessarily but more what a different opinion I have as a bog standard simpleton. If I had myself as a character in a game I would love it and be proud, but people with more money than they could count have the first thought of money, money, money.
It's just something that's difficult to relate to.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L What I was going to say, you beat me to it. Is that a pre-crime copyright infringement?
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L It’s not just about FIFA. Let’s say a porn company paid FIFPro money to license Gareth Bale’s likeness. He couldn’t object as he doesn’t own his image rights and so there’d be a CGI porn movie starring the facial likeness of Gareth Bale without him having the slightest say in the matter. Not that anyone would watch it, yeuch 😂
Personally i dont like football and i dont like EA but if i was to have my likeness represented in "insert sport title" it would be amazing. Just to think that there were people out there that want to play as my character and look up to me as a player of said sport. Then again i dont think im too big for my football boots (pun intended) and dont have pound signs rolling around in my eyes 🤷♂️
I worry the cost of sorting this out will just fall on the consumer
Good. With how lazy they have been doing these games I have no sympathy for them.
The head of EA and the head of FIFPro should take turns in going in goal with their backs turned showing their bare arses whilst Bale and Zlatan fire pens at them.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L yeah I read the article and knew about these regulations even before that, figure that!
And yeah, I'm rude indeed with you and all the other demagogues who like so much to make youselves look better than the rest of the world by attacking those evil, ball-kicking millionaires.
I would suggest getting the point of one's comment before replying 👍🏻
See, would you just have said "Zlatan, AC Milan owns your likeness and sold it to FIFA, nothing shady there" I'd have agreed 100%.
But no, you had to jump the shark and spiral into the usual, ignorant and hateful demagoguery.
I mean, they're way richer than I'll ever be, but why the hate and the envy? It's pretty pathetic.
Of course we'll never know, but I'm willing to bet that you and all the other pure hearted simps would do exactly the same if put in that position, and no, you wouldn't do all that you say for free. Not you, not the others.
But of course it's easy to imagine that footballers are greedy and evil, but you? Of course not. You've never had that much money and no one ever gave a damn about licensing your likeness, but of course you already know how you'd react to that situation, cause you're that insightful.
See, that's what I found sad and funny at the same time about demagoguery. It's so pathetic.
Finally, let's remember, we're talking rights here, not money. You injected money in the discussion, therefore derailing the rest of the thread.
And that's why I'm rude, because misinformation is the thing I hate the most.
FIFPRO Has used player names since the days of Actua Soccer 3 was out..........To my knowledge it is only Brazil that do individual players and as Konami have found total waste of money and time it needs to be renewed every year..........here is something to ponder Konami have Barcelona Licensed yet Sergio Busquets a star Barca player has no call name he did have one but it got ommited......Player request ❓
@clvr dear God. You have issues. Serious issues.
Yeah,screw EA,only Ibra can take Ibra's likeness.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L And what's more why are these aging stars moaning now.
Why would anyone NOT want to feature in a game and have kids play as their fave player ... ZLATAN. Hes 38, on a multi million salary and hes moaning about a digitization of himself in a game. Theyre not making money off of Zlatan. Doubt anyone would skip a game if his likeness was removed. In one or two years, when he hangs up his boots, kids will still be playing as Ibra in Fifa and keeping the legacy alive... if thats not a privelege, I don't know what is.
Ibras been around so long he was in Sensible world of Soccer. To be fair his name was spelt funny and he was rubbish but still.
@naruball I certainly do get too carried away, I won't deny that, but I don't know if you're coming from the right place to tell me that, since you're one of those who advocate for "no sympathy" cause these big baddies are so rich.
And let's not forget that you only seem capable of attacking people without offering any opinion; it's easy, isn't it?
I may have attacked the guy, but at least I have the gall to offer my opinion and be attacked for that. You do what? Cower behind telling mw that I've got issues? Such contribution lol
So if you wanna come down from your pedestal maybe offer your point pf view, otherwise you're just useless and pretentious, other than envious and a demagogue.
I'm not saying their rights have been infringed upon, there are people at work to determine whether or not that's true.
What I'm saying is that a lot of people gets automatically blinded when talking about such rich people and dissociate the person from the money, so much so that, even if there's a case where their rights might be infringed, everyone goes "heh, no sympathy for them cause they rich hurr durr". Ok, but what's the correlation? Are they less human for that?
It's the same thing that happens when, for example, Nintendo takes down a fan game.
Everyone rallies against Nintnedo because they have so much money, but what do they have to do if not defend their property? Lose ownership over it by not combating illegal usage?
If (big if) it turns out that FIFA don't have the rights to Ibra's likeness, well, that's the exact same thing. Why wouldn't Ibra and his club want to protect such a valuable asset?
@Darten ahahahah, that's a good one! 😂
Feel no sympathy for EA or the footballers.
Both way richer than they deserve to be for the minimum effort (playing a sport they enjoy and making lazy yearly releases)
Let them fight in court.
Isn’t this all because of Beckham’s recent mega-bucks deal with EA? Put a few noses out of joint?
Zero sympathy for millionaires like Ibra and Bale from me.
They're both just salty that they got massive downgrades lately
It's easy to have " no sympathy for millionaires", it's harder to strip away the money and see the fairness.
I do not know Gareth Bale and Zlatan's specific contractual agreements, they may be pretty complex, like Dybala.
Maybe Bale was under Real umbrella rights, but there's a loophole now he's on loan at Spurs his rights return to him?
May well be two millionaires scrapping for an extra dollar, but people should protect their rights if they are genuinely infringed, millionaires or not. Millionaires can set precedents with their financial clout, which may allow people like the family of Henrietta Lacks to be able to go to court.
Hahaha it was only a matter of time before these greedy basta... sorry, footballers (when he's not playing golf at least) wanted to squeeze as much money out of other people as possible. Not that I have much sympathy for EA but surely these players realise its games like this that contribute to their own wages in the first place.
If I was EA I'd just remove their likeness and make them look like Donald Trump in the game and give them stats to match 😂
@RPE83 finally, someone who can see beyond their own nose and gets it!
Thank you!
These players have seen what David beckham is earning and now want a piece. You would think that are rich enough to let it slide. Oh well fifa will be a £100 a season soon enough.
@DonJorginho Sports people Lazy?Do you realise how much money clubs and leagues earn from this players(merchandise, ticket sales,subscription, services...),I think it is fair for these players,so they do not get reaped off for the work they are doing(remember players are no better than a clubs product).
Do not blame the player,blame the game.
A certain Lional Messi earns about 100 million annually dollars a year at barca,but there was a stat on twitter recently that said,that Messi brings in about 300million usd annually for Barca,and I am inclined to believe this,because we all know how Barto faught to keep him at Barca,especially knowing Barca was on the brink of bankruptcy.
@Kalvort I don't see how any individual player can be seen to have lesser or greater influence on profits of these games. It's not called 'Zlatan Ibrahimovic Super Soccer' or the like.
Everyone says «no sympathy for millionaires», but not all footballers in FIFA are millionaires.
@kill_Nil really? You don't?
So you think those footballers that go on the cover are chosen at random?
Of course people like CR7, Messi, Mbappé, etc. move mountains of money and interests, compared to your Jonjo Shelvey's and Ciccio Caputo's.
But that wasn't even the point. The point is: FIFA is using the likeness of real people for a commercial product they profit off of, which in the current system means they are obliged to pay those people whose likeness they are using.
Simple as that, I don't understand why people don't seem to get it.
Just as it would be illegal for you and I to use Ratchet & Clank in a commercial product, the same applies here.
We don't have the rights to R&C, therefore we cannot use it; if we do, we'll certainly face consequences.
End of story.
@clvr The guys who go on the box art no doubt get an individual payout, can't confirm that but I'd guess it would work in the same way as a sponsorship or endorsement.
As to every player or person included in the game? Jeeeeeeez that's a can of worms. I agree with you that, taken on the face of it, image rights and all that probably do provide some kind of legal grounds to protest commercial use without permission...but there again, they're appearing as part of the club they're contracted to and EA appear to be arguing from that position. When Liverpool have a team photo taken, do they have to contact every agent to obtain rights to reproduce their players' images or not? I don't know either way and I don't think, legally, it's as simple as you see it.
Since when do they not have there likeness or face being used in fifa?
@BearsEatBeets dude, I'd buy that version of FIFA in a heartbeat, let's make it happen!
@Sinton Of course not. But those specific ones are. And who is complaining here exactly? That's right. The greedy ones.
@naruball Those specific ones are the one getting noticed. If Johnny Rootbear on Whatever FC complained, we’d never know.
@Sinton justice for Johnny Rootbear!
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L I usually don't care about comments of people with 1 brain cell only...so we're fine lol
@kill_Nil
I imagine that's commercial use (team photo) for Liverpool which in turn helps to raise funds to pay Sadio Mane's wages. EA are a third party, where the profit goes to the third party in exchange for a nominal fee to FIFPro/Premier League/Liverpool.
I look forward to the replacement "Radio Man" for FIFA 2022.
If fifa have to pay every single player in its game then I'm sure they would just stop and use generic names, then the mass fans will rebel
All hail Johnny Rootbear and his quest in getting a decent wedge of Electronic Arts.
So he's been in every FIFA for years and never said a thing.
I'm sure that this sudden realisation has nothing at all to do with the fact that he's 39, his career is almost over, and his income may be about to dry up.
"to ensure we can include as many players as we can to create the most authentic game"
Yup, i often tune in on a saturday afternoon to see lewis hamton and dua lipa tearing up the opposition
idiot footballers spouting rubbish on twitter because they're greedy, EA isn't a nice company they encourage child gambling but they obviously bought the rights from somewhere, as if they have the option to spend even more money on image rights or split profits between thousands of players, stupid. let's go back to playing fake names and vague faces. Absolutely pathetic. Football is absolutely all about greed and more and more money, if they want less money then let's all stop signing deals with anyone, it's not as if any of them get paid directly by Sky Sports. Outrage! Outrage! An Indonesian media company used my face to advertise their Premier League package!!! Grow up.
Image rights are packaged up with other deals. I suspect pro footballers will want a bigger slice of image rights but it will be up to their parasitic agents to negotiate. Not particularly worried about either bale's or EA's profits frankly.
I have to question the players motives here when they would surely be fully aware that their likeness has been in both FIFA and PES for, in Ibra's case, about 15-20 years now!! Why the sudden interest?
My worry is that it gains traction because, although some people don't care about faces and names in the games, I personally feel it adds to the immersion etc. A player with a generic face pulls me right out of the game. I guess in PES it doesn't matter so much because you've always been able to edit the names, but FIFA you can't even do that.
Could have a huge shockwave across football games if this goes anywhere far!
There you go. Everyone who jumped the gun can eat some crow. And the person in serious need of a chill pill, hopefully already had one this morning.
@Sinton True, we wouldn't, but I specifically arguing against people who said that not everyone is a millionaire.
Just a few days, a US actor, who's pretty much a nobody, had a terrible audition and posted about it. There was huge uproar and many A list actors supported him. It can happen. These guys didn't make a big deal about footballers in general, but specifically about themselves. They also lied about their contract and potentially hurt a company's image (not that I personally care about EA).
They could at least call their agent or something before posting a factually incorrect statement.
I read David Beckham earned 40 millions for 3 years contract with EA to include as icon. Does this mean you can get money after you retired. But if you are still active, the club gets money? But I doubt the club gets that amount of money for all its players?
His team (who pay him an extortionate fee) "owns" him whether he likes it or not (he, after all, signed the contract with them). All this smacks of is downright greed and I don't think he'll get much sympathy or public backing, especially at a time when millions of people around the globe have lost their jobs and livelihood and are on the bones of their arse, whilst he, on the wage he commands is bleating for even more money!
Whining complaining whining. 2020 what a great year.
Guess somehow they were able to spend a lot of their savings during their lockdown time with less pay... How, I have no idea.
@RPE83 I read that FIFPro, as a union, help players let go by their clubs due to the covid crisis and other works to support them. Not a big football fan, but I seem to remember the Premier League makes substantial payments to clubs for staying in the league and I'd guess this is a major part in keeping the top flight chancers up there? Hopefully both of them have cut a fair deal with EA which feeds into the support of the league as a whole and not just the teams and players at the top of the tree.
It's a major form of marketing for the clubs which in turn pay salaries. Should stadiums remove all likeness of players from promotional signs, magazines, kit sales? Should television remove all likeness of players during promotional ads for televised matches? Should ESPN remove all photographs of players from their website?
I can understand players getting miffed about their names and likenesses being used without permission but it is fifa..the worlds number 1 console footie game so are they really that naive that they would not appear? That i dont understand..what would have won me over was if the players complained about appearing in a footie game that has clearly been turned into an gambling game...its pay to win in fut but without actually having a chance to win..its stacked against the people who have already paid for the game,paid their yearly subscription to psn/xbox live and in most cases probably pay for sky sports and bt sports so if they took a stance for those reasons i would have respect...this just makes the players look as if they are having a bit of a fit over something that really they should have known was going to happen...dosnt E.A. pay to use the fifa name and all associated players etc upfront? So why the surprise?
FIFA isn't a new game, if it was an issue why have these players been perfectly fine with it for a decade or so? I'd rather EA just told the lot of em to get lost and have made up names like the old ISS games
I might start a new playthrough of Fallout 4 as Johnny Rootbear. Will i need to pay any fees?
R.I.P Maradona.
and screw EA,now they know how it feels like to be at the other end of lawful greed.
Don't know who's worse, EA or that fatass SOB...
time to ask what fifa pro does with the money apart from emplying agents and lawyers im guessing not a fffffffffffffffff lot else.
Well if EA DOESN'T have likeness rights like the agents and players are claiming, then Johnny Rootbear and co really should sue them. But I bet they don't. Put up or shut up you whining ball chasers, I say!
If players do win this argument then why don't they donate this to charity then instead of keeping it, they get paid enough as it is. Marcus rashford has been campaign for free school meals and books this money could do even more for kids for sports etc after this year we've all had
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