The biggest criticism of Sony’s next-gen system in our PS5 review was its limited storage space, with little over 665GB available at launch. The platform holder has enabled the use of external hard drives for PlayStation 4 games, and it’s also said it’s looking into ways users can offload next-gen titles for temporary safe-keeping. But with releases like Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War eating upwards of 150GB storage space, the system’s super-fast SSD fills up quickly.
Asked about this by the Telegraph, however, PlayStation boss Jim Ryan suggested he doesn’t know what the fuss is about: “We're not hearing that,” he said, when asked whether the storage space limitations could be a problem for consumers. “We'll obviously watch what happens as people unbox their PlayStations and start to start to use them. We think we think we'll be okay. We obviously are able to monitor hard drive usage on the PS4 microscopically and everything that we saw there indicates that we should be fine.”
This is a really interesting comment from Ryan, as it suggests the company has access to data detailing how customers are using their PS4’s hard drive. Obviously, the first batch of consoles launched with just 500GB available out of the box, but it must have a general snap-shot of how many games the average user has installed. And it must have come to the conclusion, based on that, that the PS5’s SSD has enough space.
We do tend to get tunnel vision in communities like this, as we’re the most engaged gamers in the industry, and thus we forget that the vast majority of the market is made up of more casual players. Sony perhaps sees the bigger picture, and knows that for the vast majority of its players, the 665GB available on the PS5 at launch is plenty.
[source telegraph.co.uk]
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"we're not hearing that" sounds a bit arrogant and tone deaf.
'start to start to use them. We think we think' bit of error here I think.
It seems like a poor excuse. But I understand the space since the ssd is so fast but they need to give us options to upgrade it. I bought 5 games for launch day, plus Bugsnax, plus Ghost of Tsushima which I will install too, I guess my disk is going to be full already!
For now should be fine, I have an external drive will put ps4 games on that to free up ps5. And personally once I have finished a game I usually delete it to free up space. If I want to play again just put disc in reinstall.
It's fine for me, not even joking but I delete games after I finish them, bar horizon, Witcher 3 and Spider-Man. That leaves me with a ton of space. My gaming patterns leaves me with a lot of space and I'm looking to get an expandable internal SSD when it's approved so I can not have to worry about ever deleting games I love so I really have no concerns.
I have always wonder what that "Other" was and how to clear it out. PS4 had it, too. I mean...The 91GB of "Other" in the screenshot seems like something one would want to try to free up.
I expect the majority of players only pick up a COD, or an Assassins Creed, or a Fifa per year, so for them it won't be an issue. But they are not the consumers trying to buy a ps5 right now.
But given its the more hardcore fans that are clamouring for a PS5 now, i think it's reasonable for Sony to expect that challenge, particularly when the competitor offers 200 gb more.
Also we don't know how much of an impact these 4k textures are going to have. Some recent games require offensive amounts of space. Just imagine how bad it will be at the end of the generation.
I still dont see storage as a massive issue personally. I'll just end up deleting more, and storing less, on my sdd
I put a 2TB SSD in my PS4 Pro and never get near the original PS4's limit of 500GB of usage on it.
But it's nice knowing it's all there.
I've managed so far with the 500gb drive on the PS4 Slim. I tend to play one or two games at a time but do have things like Dreams and Fall Guys on there as well. Once in a while I'll have to delete a big game but it's usually once I've completed / platinumed it, and then if I ever do want to play those games again I can just kick em off downloading, leave it in rest mode and come back to it later. I think the last time I had to clear some real space was to get TLoU2 on there but it was worth it
@render
Exactly this.
My launch PS4 has 400Gb usable (74Gb remaining).
The PS5 has over 50% more, yet the games aren’t 50% larger.
Plus they can be re-downloaded far faster.
Plus you can install only select parts of games you want to (e.g. ignore multiplayer).
So, yeah, I was fine last gen and I’ll be fine this gen given all of the above.
I think what people need to understand is that you can’t buy one machine and expect it to service 4,5,6 people in your family. You’ll just have to buy additional storage. Sony can’t be expected to force the rest of us to buy additional unneeded storage in our consoles as they would have to increase the price a lot.
He says it's not an issue, but somehow my 2TB drive isn't enough space for even my PS4 library. 665GB is nowhere near enough for my PS4, no way my PS5 library won't fill up even faster.
I don't much care about the stock drive being kind of small, the issue I have is that we don't have an option for expanding it in any way. Sure, I can store my PS4 games in an external, but will I just have to live with constantly redownloading PS5 games this gen? I hope they get that sorted soon.
They really need to figure out digital file management. I can't imagine having purchased a digital edition right now. What a pain that will be to deal with.
Looks like Disks for next gen then.........some would say a step back ✌
I mean I have 8 games installed right now and don’t see a reason why I would install more. Will play these and if I need to delete one to free up space cool.
Hard drive space has been a problem on my PS4 for years. Every time that I want to play a new game, I have to uninstall something else. Its extremely frustrating, and never ends. Sadly, this looks like it will be a the same problem on the PS5 too.
I was totally fine with the 500 gb PS4 for 5 years. Surely the games are bigger now but I never play more than a few at a time and I'm sure that's more out there like me. For the others, that's where the expansion options come in.
@theMEGAniggle let us assume for a second, that your need is not the only need being discussed, but rather need of the majority, or minority, in this case.
I can respect that you don't care about it for your own needs but when discussing these topics, you can't just turn a blind eye towards the need of every one "not you" .
You have to consider the possibility of others. Market isn't designed to handle the need of the one needing the least space, but rather the one that needs most, to ensure they cater to a wider audience.
Edit : to clarify, as long as expansion storage option is available to me, I don't care if the size of the local drive available to me is 600 or 800. Either are fine since they both aren't enough. I just want to be able to add storage.
Same concept where I am comfortable with buying a phone with only 64gb internal and expanding it with 500gb cards.
I wouldn't mind more than 64 Gb, if price wasn't excruciatingly high.
He has a point. Most people don't install a ton of games at once. It's mostly the hardcore loud minority (including myself)
@naruball if they do have data to support that (and why wouldn't they) - it was a choice between making it slightly inconvenient (you will be able to expand storage soon) for a few or significantly more expensive for all. An easy choice if you ask me
I've had a 500GB PS4 for almost 5 years, and I' ve always deleted a game after I'm done with it, safe in the knowledge that if I want to play it again that I either have the disc on hand or in my digital library. It will be the same when I get a PS5 😎
He obviously hasn't seen my PS4 HDD stats then. Upgraded internal to 2TB which is full. Also added an external 2TB which is 90% full. I was planning on taking that over the the PS5 pending a fix for the external access.
They should listen more to people who buy more games.
What a shame.
I like to keep as many games installed and up to date as possible because installing and updating a game can take up to a full day sometimes because of massive update files mostly. If they did something about that then maybe 650GB would be enough.
Remember that thing called Stadia, you can add infinite games to your library and launch them instantly. You have to admit that is pretty sweet.
They probably have the data from all of those people who stuck with their 500GB drives in the PS4 all generation to be fair.
@Voltan Exactly! But you can't use logic when it comes to angry mobs.
@Flurpsel It sounds good, but is anyone buying it?
I got 8 ps5 games and and 2 ps4 games on my console space isn’t that big of a deal one of the 8 is cod
The biggest problem, with PS4 I don't know about PS5, is the amount of free space you need to download updates. If you have a 75GB game that has a 5GB patch you need at least 80GB free space for it to create a full copy of the main install, patch it then replace the original files. You will be left with the 80GB free space afterwards, but you need to leave it free for subsequent updates.
This "data" Sony is looking at is meaningless. I keep at least 150+GB free on my 500GB PS4 (so there's always room to download updates or a new game) but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer a lot more space.
If I kept all my PS4 games installed it would take up probably 5 TB.
@naruball Nope. But it has a couple of very distinct advantages (and disadvantages ofcourse..). Maybe some day in the future it will actually work for the majority of people and instant game installs and updates will make our life objectively better for it
@TrolleyProblems
Actually it's designed to handle the average use case, not the least or most edge cases. The average attach rate on the PS3 (and even the PS4) last I checked was under 10 games per console (and thats not all AAA).
So assuming the average player leaves all of their games installed all at the same time (not likely the average use-case but I don't have telemetry to determine this; Sony probably does) then if you have enough space for the average user, (maybe with a little head-room), then you are good.
Just like it is stated in the article, don't forget that we are in the vast minority here to be that engaged in all of this, there are more than 100 millions PS4 in the wild and millions of millions of those consoles are owned by people that don't engage much in the community and maybe don't play as much as well.
And on the other hand you have to count for the fact that 1TB of SSD that is as fast as the one of the PS5 cost more than 100 bucks, it just doesn't make sense for Sony to put a 1.5 or 2TB of Storage if it's going to jack up the price of the console by 80 to 170 bucks, I'm fairly sure it was hard enough to fit all of that console under 600bucks.
As long as we're not installing ps4 games on ps5 internal ssd, it will be fine I guess. I think I need to buy ssd expansion to store ps4 games on ps5. I hear that samsung external ssd t5 or t7 is quite good.
Jim Ryan shouldn't be allowed to talk. He has a bad case of "foot in mouth" syndrome. I know he's the president of PlayStation, but just keep him away from interviews, please.
@thedevilsjester I honestly can't imagine 10 games being about 700 Gb, are they?
Unless we are considering a mix of indie and aaa?
Haven't seen this addressed yet, but let's say you turn on your PS5 and download your 20 PS+ GC games since you're a PS+ subscriber and want what you paid for. How much space would those 20 games take up in total?
If it's more than 550 then Ryan should just STFU.
https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/all-ps-plus-collection-games-on-ps5
I have still got the og ps4 with 500gb hdd. I have about 10 games installed, including hzd and bloodborne, and have not even come close to filling it. This is more than enough space for someone like me.
@RBMango Better than flipflopping hypocritical Spencer.
Although this and exclusives being cross gen games has been adressed by him in the wrong manner. He knew what people would have perceive when he said we believe in generations.
This is why I still keep all my physical media, downloads would be a nightmare, deleting and redownloading all the time to manage space. Still Sony sound really arrogant here which seems to be a worrying trend lately.
The platform has been in existence for under a week in a small part of the world with only like 10 available games that can't be run from someone's old drive. At what point does he expect to be "hearing" problems from the data? Considering most of the people buying now are early adopter enthusiasts, and early adopter enthusiasts are the ones that are going to buy the most games.....I'm going to guess "not hearing" and "not listening" are synonyms to him.
I downloaded the games I'm most likely to play early on (SpiderDuo, Nioh 2 (free upgrade coming though it already performs waaay, waaay, waaaaaay better than the choppy mess in res mode on PS4 Pro), FFVIIR, P5R, GoW1, HzD1 (before the sequels), Bugsnax & Astro to check them out, and that's pretty much the whole drive before R&C and Sackboy even....
I get the cost of SSDs. I don't get giving 825 instead of 1TB. It's one thing if Jim came out and said "We know there's a tight space limitation but that's the only way we could hit the price point for this advanced tech." Sucks, but we can get that to some point as long as they have our back and realize this isn't really a great setup and is a compromise.
But to come out and say "there is no problem, we have the data!" is surreal. You have data from a limited geography launch with under a dozen titles over 5 days?! Are you using PS4 data?
The irony here is that may be true for the "average" PS4 gamer, but it also says a lot about who PS considers their customer. Casual gamers that only buy a small amount of games. They're counting on a very mass market. Thus the price hikes, and the policies. He thinks the console is for the FIFA crowd and they're fine playing a few games. He ran the numbers. It's all good. But PS was the FIFA console when PS was the cheapest console.....PS5 went premium.
PLAY HAS NO LIM - Not Enough Storage. Please free up space and try again.
At least half of customers buy only FIFA or some random shooter or sport. So, if they see that half has 20% filled, quarter have 70% filled and last quarter have 85% filled, than they have false feeling that average hdd filling is around 50%.
... And why I didn't use 100% fill? That's, of course, because of our favorite "copying" feature, where you must keep at least 80-100 GB free. For example even if my system show 790 of 861 GB I am unable to install anything else.
@TrolleyProblems Its attach rate across all titles, so that ~10 includes indies and smaller titles as well, not just huge AAA titles.
To be fair, I don't know how PS+ titles or F2P titles factor into this; which could inflate it a bit as far as install size goes; but I am pretty certain that Sony has the metrics for what the average player uses and is able to adjust based on that.
Anecdotally, I have played hundreds of PS3/PS4 games and have only had to delete a title to make room every now and then; and I don't know anyone in real life that actually runs into this problem. I know there are those that do, there are edge cases (large families, single shared console), and people that want to keep their entire library installed at all times; but these are edge cases and will be addressed via expanded storage and/or game transfers (hopefully sooner rather than later).
@GamingFan4Lyf Other is space reserved by OS when doing background tasks like copying & downloading files. Think that already get cleared out when tasks are finished. That why useage increases and decreases
Jim Ryan is no Phil Spencer...& I love him for it
@NEStalgia
"I don't get giving 825 instead of 1TB"
There is a technical reason for that. Cerny touches on it in his presentation:
See: https://youtu.be/ph8LyNIT9sg?t=932
The TL;DR is that there are technical reasons that the 12 channel interface they use, to get the target speed, most naturally pairs with a certain size multiplier and the best fit considering that is 825 GB.
@Flurpsel I quite like the idea of Stadia. Not sure why it hasn't taken off.
@sketchturner The idea for the average consumer is that you will rotate out a handful that you are currently playing (with the odd multiplayer that sticks around for awhile) not try and keep your entire library installed.
If I put all the games I own on my PS4, sure it would take many TB's; but I am never going to play 90% of them again, and the 10% that I might will only take a few minutes to install (less on the PS5); so I doubt I will ever fill up 825 (667); unless games start averaging 150+.
@Total_Weirdo
This. I have no problem with it atm but they need to allow transfers as time goes on and more games come out.
I have a 1tb ps4 and it wasn't enough for my games I had to upgrade to a 4tb external hard drive for my games
Im far off from getting a ps5 but all i know is my ps 4 pro 1T is almost full and my 4TB external is basically full as well.
I forsee major issues with space lol
I upgraded my PS4 hard drive to a 2 Tb so 600+ will not be enough for me.
@thedevilsjester I figured it was more or less something like that. Which is fine. But they're really missing the message with "we don't see the problem."
I love the PS5 console.....but I absolutely can not stand Playstation the company even slightly at this point. They seem to be openly hostile now and taking every opportunity to scream "you're not our customer, we don't care about you".....while I'm trying to buy from them
As a digital buyer, the idea of not storing my entire library locally seems just absurd. I have about 8TB of XBox games, and maybe 4TB of PS games so far, and those numbers will grow. Shifting and downloading that all the time over and over, just makes no sense. I accumulate them on external storage. XSX makes that acceptable, I can still copy my games too and fro cheap bulk storage as always. And copy backups if so inclined as well. PS5? "We don't see the problem." Ugh..... I'm sure they'll add it eventually (I hope), but....the hostile attitude from this guy is getting grating. I was up waaaay too late enjoying my PS5 (speaking of having years of BC to play....Nioh 2 runs amazing now even without the free PS5 remaster that's coming!....and it ran pretty crummy on PS4 Pro!) - and then I listen to this guy flip me off and it rubs some of that joy off the system. Seriously, this guy needs a muzzle....
Sony know what their doing. Giving us low storage space knowing all us sucker's will pay 200+ for external storage later on. Its not enough they charge 500 for a giant eyesore (xbox does the same) but you know sony will release a smaller higher storage one but not before they release external hard drives that are 200+ just like microsoft has. Rushed next gen = big money maker for sony and ms
@NEStalgia I understand, but thats not really their message. If you watched the Mark Cerny presentation he talks about the issue, and again the TL;DR is that they did the math, and to keep initial costs down for consumers (presumably to avoid another PS3 launch); they decided that 825 was a good start and are working on ways to expand that. From what I gather, the ability to move PS5 games to an external drive did exist, and some early testers saw it in action; but it was not present on the later review units (which probably had the official build of the OS). Its just a feature that is not available day one (I would guess they ran into bugs that they need to fix)
@skynettt that doesn't make much sense in this case because Sony isn't selling you the storage like Microsoft is. You can buy the storage from (theoretically) any SSD manufacturer that makes one fast enough.
@thedevilsjester Cerny's perspective I can understand. Ryan's is his usual arrogant, aloof, number-crunching-for-what-works-for-us self.
FWIW, while MS's storage is a proprietary "e-NVMe" type setup so you don't have to tear panels off, they're going to be licensing it to other vendors. Seagate was merely the launch partner for the first model, so both platforms should have numerous third party options, albeit with a proprietary connector for MS and an approval process.
@rjejr
I don’t understand. Would you be playing these 20 games simultaneously.
This Jim Ryan seems like a disingenuous and misleading d**k. I miss the old guy. Leadership can really influence a company one way or another.
1. It’s again the vocal minority that thinks it is not enough space.
2. Because of how the SSD was integrated i don’t think they could give us 1TB, the next higher possibility would probably be 1650GB (because they would have to increase all 12 chips and I’m not sure they can just increase it how they want, but may have to double it). And that would have maybe meant $100 extra for the console and the vast majority of players not using that space at all.
To me it makes perfect sense why it’s 825GB. It fits the majority of players while keeping the cost of the console still low but the SSD speed high. And if you are in the minority, you can later still expand it to your own needs, maybe even cheaper than as if the console shipped with higher storage.
@thefourfoldroot I like variety. And I like downloading things before companies change their minds and take them away. Or before I forget, I'm forgetful.
Point is, he's full of it and he knows most gamers are going to want more than what is on offer. If the console had enough storage then it wouldn't need a 2nd SSD slot built in and external HDD support now would it?
There clearly aren't enough new games to fill up that lot, so it's not an issue to them - YET.
@thefourfoldroot Games in the cloud aren't available when you want to play them. Games in the cloud may take a long time to download. Games in the cloud may not be able to be downloaded when you want to play them. Maybe you like sampling your catalogue from time to time. Because you bought it. Maybe you want to check how a particular game was changed by some update. Maybe the time released DLC to some game just release, or you just bought it on a sale. Maybe your ISP has monthly caps and you download things according to what you've used that month and keep it local.
You can say "buy physical!" - great. Those games take patches. Huge patches. Sometimes bigger than the initial install of the game. And those patches are in the cloud. It would be nice to keep that local with your physical games.....
If we're ok with everything being in the cloud and only using it when the cloud supports being able to, that's probably the best argument to scrap consoles and just go with streaming after all, isn't it? Streaming's greatest limitation becomes shared with consoles anyway.
@rjejr
No, I think you’ll have to accept that you’re an exception and be understanding of that. Most people aren’t so forgetful they forget what games they have (plus there’s a library on the console if you do), nor do most people need so much variety that they MUST have 20 games to play simultaneously. The external storage is there for the people like yourself or, more commonly, families that live in the same house and want to share the machine and each have several games being played at once.
We here on this site are not the majority, and you most certainly are not.
@NEStalgia
Sounds like your problem is with internet service providers. I will concede that, should one have atrocious internet or, god forbid, data caps(!!!) , then it makes more sense to want everything saved locally.
@thefourfoldroot While I, personally am fortunate enough to have good internet, just a few years back I didn't. And while I don't have hard caps, that's always subject to "at the carrier's discretion."
But one thing to keep in mind is the largest ISP in the US, Comcast, that covers pretty much the bulk of the country as a monopoly or near-monopoly provider has hard 1TB caps. So that affects a massive amount of how this will be used. Worse, they have an insideous cap mechanism. For every 10GB over 1TB, they will impose a surcharge up to $250/mo. A lot of PS5 owners might find a surprise on their internet bill if they're not used to that. Other providers don't impose strict capping like that but if you use "too much" may tell you you need to switch to a business account.
But one would expect a major console to be aware of and working within the limitations that hundreds of millions of their potential customers are faced with. To say the least of the many many smaller countries with even worse internet that Sony operates in and MS doesn't.
With COD its easy complete campaing delete it if you get all the trophies atleast for me.
@NEStalgia
Wow, that’s incredible. I guess I’m incredibly fortunate that, in the U.K., data caps aren’t really a thing (well, if one take liberties I imagine an unfair or commercial use policy will come into effect, but we don’t really have to think about it).
I’m surprised that digital gaming has taken off so easily in the US then, although I guess those who are relatively tech savvy may be able to find alternative providers).
But yes, this just goes to prove that your location / service provider impacts whether you think PS5 storage is sufficient to a much greater degree than I would expect. It seems these providers are the problem then. I don’t see why Sony or MS should subsidise their bastardry with their own funds.
Jim Ryan's statement of not knowing what the fuss is all about is just a stupid spin applied to the big issue of not being able to store PS5 games on an external hdd or internal upgrade at release.
Stupid spin like with the closed usb ports when the PS4 released and Sony's stupid spin was that they had no idea that anyone would desire to plug in a drive and play music and other media on a game console.
@sketchturner Sure, everyone would like more space, but it's just something to be dealt with. The main thing I don't get is why everyone's complaining, clearly nothing's gonna change.
Once devs start using the Oodle compression it might be better. Don't know why COD doesn't use this, guess the devs are lazy. If done well most games will use between 40-70GB
I think Sony is correct. How many games do you even need installed at one time? I'll have one single-player game at a time that I'll delete after I've finished it and a few multiplayer titles.
Plus, you say 150GB but doesn't CoD let you delete all the parts of the game you don't need so you can just keep the multiplayer or Zombies installed after you're done with the campaign?
@thefourfoldroot That's the same thing Don Matrick thought in 2013....
Yeah guys it can fit call of duty and 2 of its updates quit whining.
@GamingFan4Lyf The "other" is probably the OS.
@thefourfoldroot btw, it's actually going to get worse. A lot of us telecom has halted fiber rollouts entirely and they're going to pin all internet access from now on on 5g cellular. These downloads will be reeeeall fun with that.....
@Robinsad Typical for Sony really.
@tatsumi The issue is we cannot 'archive' PS5 to external storage or use the built in NVME expansion port. Many of us do not have unlimited internet. This will literally prevent me from buying PS5 games in the near future. One download of COD will take 1/10 of my monthly data.
It took Sony over 3 years to allow external hard drive storage for the PS4 and that caused me to buy third party games for Xbox as they allowed it less than a year after the launch of Xbox one. The same thing is repeating this generation with expansion cards except Xbox has a solution at launch and Jim Ryan doesn’t appear to care at all to provide a timely solution so once again it’s third party for me on Xbox. Sad too, love the new dualsense.
1TB wasn't enough for my PS3. How he thinks 600GB is good enough for a PS5 is a joke.
@Richnj everyone seems to think they're the center of the universe.
@naruball 'everyone' is starting to think you have a thing for them.
@thefourfoldroot For a lot of people that works but there is just as many people like myself I bought cod black ops demon souls miles ultimate bugsnax pathless ac vahalla sackboy all day 1. So for day 1 that’s like 80% of my storage and I haven’t even download any backward compatible game. That’s where even though Xbox route is expensive I loved that they produced that extra 1tb expansion card I got that day one and now don’t have to worry. I understand I can delete games move them back on and off but I would much rather option to pay more for convenience of never having to worry about space. Really hope they offer internal compatible ssds soon.
@Yfs11six
But you see that you’re basically complaining about finite storage right? I mean you bought 8 games all at once but you aren’t going to play them all at once. You might as well say “why can’t I have 15 games installed”, “why can’t I have 50 games installed”, you equally aren’t going to play those all at once.
Even the series X, which has around 800Gb, would only let you install a few games extra.
What I’m saying is there is no way, in a world where storage space is not infinite, that people are going to be able to just save everything and never delete anything. The logical thing to do is to play a few games at once. When you’ve finished them you can then buy some new games and delete the old. You can always re download in a few years if you get the urge to replay instead of playing a new game and, what’s more, those additional 5 games will be much cheaper when you come to buy them.
I guess I just don’t understand buying 8 games at once, and certainly suspect you aren’t going to be playing them all simultaneously,
But, hey, everyone is different.
@thefourfoldroot agreed but at the moment they aren't allowing us to upgrade the internal storage. When they do I'll buy one.
@Mongooose
Fair enough, if that’s your choice. Personally I don’t understand the concept of “it’s not worth it if I can only play 20 games simultaneously, I’ll wait until I can have 40 at my fingertips”, but everyone has different play styles.
You all seem to be forgetting those homes where a console is shared between multiple people.
There will be three people using the main console in our living room, all with completely differing tastes in games. 665gb is nowhere near enough
@thefourfoldroot I have 30 friends(will grow), all play different games. 825GB is not enough when someone asks to play something and I have to download it. At least 2 tera would have been fine.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
? Then maybe play the games you enjoy most rather than feeling obliged to play everything your friends do?
Look, I’m not trying to be condescending, it’s just your presumption that Sony should anticipate people wanting to play 30 games simultaneously, and so force a hardrive on the rest of us that will double the price of the console is, well, a little short sighted.
@thefourfoldroot You can fit 4 cods and that's it. I def play more than 4 different games per week if there isn't a big single player game released for that week.
Don't you have friends that all have different tastes? Seems like a lot of.people don't have a lot of them.
@RS1
I didn’t forget multiple people might want to play their own games on one console. Neither did Sony. That’s why they are letting people expand storage moving forwards. Best of both worlds: those of us who buy the console for ourselves and maybe our partner can hit the right price point, those who buy for larger families or dormrooms etc, can split the cost of additional storage.
Sony will unlock the extra storage option when suitable drives are available. Currently there are barely enough PS5 games for this even to be a problem for families.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
COD is a massive exception. You know that. Most AAA are around 65/75Gb, indies can be tiny, just a couple of Gig.
@thefourfoldroot lol. I can enjoy playing more than 8 games with friends per week.
Apple has different storage sizes for their phones. Sony can do this too. twice the space would be fine.
I have 16 games downloaded. Not playing them all at once, obviously, but I am not done with them and I like to switch and I don't to have to download the games again, but at multiple times my friends kept insisting I buy an external drive. I have 1 tera and 350GB free of space, but a lot of them are small games.
@thefourfoldroot red dead 2, 2k, gta 6, ff7
and games will get bigger. A lot are 60GB on ps4.
@thefourfoldroot I am not even counting bc games. My friends and I sometimes get urges to play something we didn-t play in the last month. we all have limited space and cannot wait for each other to download the game.
"Oh, I deleted that game" happens a lot
@LiterallyDoNotCare
I agree that Sony could have released a very very expensive model (over twice the cost due to the tech and reduced economies of scale) that could double your storage space. Would have been a nice option. But for the very few people like yourself who feel obliged to play all the different games your friends like, and due to the increased risk of them sitting on shelves unwanted...surely you see why that didn’t happen.
Even if they had given a drive slightly bigger like MS did, it wouldn’t have come close to solving your personal problem it seems.
@thefourfoldroot Why do you keep saying obligated? Dude. Peer pressure doesn't work on me. Sometimes there are weeks where I don't have a new single player or didn't feel platinuming a game, that I play different multiplayers. Sorry you can't enjoy multiple multiplayer with friends.
I bet I spent more more money than any of those guys that don't fill their storage. Again. Options are needed. Just asking for options. Especially for us, who spend the most.
I really hate this ryan guy.I miss Shawn.
PS5 doesn´t have a quick resume feature to quickly switch between games because it only has enough space for 1 game.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
I’m just making clear that this is a mass market product and that you, in no way shape or form, represent the majority. I was also just trying to explain why Sony releasing 2 (well 4 with digital variance) models all at once, especially with the risk involved in the higher priced units, was not something it would have been sensible for them to do.
I hope I’m not coming across as disrespectful in any way. I understand you do probably spend more than me as you are into multiplayer games, so probably spend on micro transactions and DLCs and such. Don’t worry though, expandable storage is coming for you! And it’ll likely cost at lot less in the long run than buying it all at launch because these expansion drives are not proprietary and so will come down in price as they penetrate the market.
By the way, you are correct that I don’t enjoy multiplayer with friends. For two reasons 1) I find multiplayer games extremely repetitive, and so boring. And 2) I’m 37, my friends I used to play games with as a child are largely busy with children of their own or have moved away from videogames. I don’t see what difference that makes though. I wouldn’t play more games just because my friends were asking me to please play with them.
@Richnj My point exactly Just on my ps3 I have a maxed out 1TB hdd. And I still hate it that I cannot move that data to an external hdd. I own more than 350 ps3 games and more than 400 ps4 games. Guess I'll own 3 ps5 games. I'm not deleting anything as I don't have unlimited data on my internet.
@thefourfoldroot I don't buy mtx, lol.
It's fine. You are not being disrespectful.
Stop assuming why I do the things I do or buy the things I buy. Again. Nobody is saying please in here. I, free of will, play with them because I will have fun.
I prefer single player games. Multiplayer this gen was trash, but even with that, Idid not have enough space.
The hardcore, even if minority, are followed by the casuals. So if all the hardcore decided to not buy a ps5, ps5 would have had a rough time this gen. We also spend more, so I would, at least expect a little consideration that we play and buy more games than those casuals.
Sometimes I consider not getting married as gaming is not my only hobby. The other 2 hobbies I have are even more important to me.
@thefourfoldroot and. I at least spent $2k on ps4 this gen. Didn't buy all the games at launch. That would probably go up 3k and I believe ps5 I will go up to 4k-5k because I will have a career this time and ps5 first year games seem to have a better variety than ps4's first year and if that continues, I'll get to 5k. That is easily more than someone who buys the console in the 4th year and buys 1-2 sports game, cod, gta and plays free to play.
I also directly support the god damn first party studios. I just expected more from sony and I am foremost a ps fan, second nintendo and not a fan of xbox. yet
@JapaneseSonic Maybe because they have no launch games or enough good games from last gen.
My only problem with xbox is their games and Phil's dumb projections about gaming. Everything else is fine (90%), but that 10% of games feels like a 100% for me.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
I suspect, when the tech is good enough, streaming will be how you will game. No need for storage, all games instantly available, and you’ll probably save a sh*tload of money, lol.
I don’t agree the casuals follow the hardcore, they are casuals for a reason. They just want to play COD, Fortnite, FIFA etc while chatting with their mates. What the “hardcore” do is subsidise gaming for the rest of us who largely buy offline games when on sale. I’ve probably only spent about £250 this whole year , not counting the PS5 which is a one off spread over 7 or so years or PSVR which Is a peripheral. So thanks for supporting the industry. Sorry if you’re feel the PS5 storage is not suited to your play style, but it’s nothing personal, just bad business to do otherwise.
91 gigs of porn...what is wrong with you?
I'm pretty sure I saw a 2TB ps5 up for pre order on play asia before they actually "supposedly" went on sale.
Wait, here it is... https://www.play-asia.com/playstation-5-2tb/13/70djwr and it sold out quick, because of course.
“We're not hearing that”
“We'll obviously watch what happens as people unbox their PlayStations and start to start to use them. We think we think we'll be okay"
You wait and see now, after launch? You should have known that way back when the PS5 storage size was decided, and be prepared for it with a back-up plan.
Like offering 1-2 compatible SSD models for extra storage at launch, and have the damned extension port available, not blocked. At least made sure that the external storage can be used to store all games, not just PS4, and not just on the 2 USB's from the back of the console... since the start of the Covid pandemic the Internet traffic has increased by a ton, and you make your clients increase their downloads, because you didn't think it would be necessary to have an option to store the games available? And what about the clients that have internet connections with a download limit/month?
How the hell can you get to be CEO and earn the big money, while lacking any awareness regarding the customer's needs, and any vision whatsoever, is beyond me.
If I were on Sony's board of directors, I would have put forward the vote to have you fired on the spot, for making such statements.
It actually explains the shortcomings the PS5 has, with such ostriches at the helm, with their heads deeply buried in the sand.
@Oscarjpc I don't know how many PS3 games I have. I know I stopped buying them digitally once I ran out of space. Though it's got to be a 100-200. But yeah, I would have more if it weren't for that limitation.
I know I have 400+ 360 and 600+ Xbox one (when combining OG, 360 and Xbone) titles, and I'm still buying more, because I have that space there.
It's a shame too, because I've spent much of this year, and especially during the lockdown, catching up on PS titles I've missed. Though I'm now starting to lean back over to Nintendo because I have lots of space there to keep up with me.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't consider managing my drive space to be a good use of my limited free time. I'd rather be gaming.
@thefourfoldroot Screw streaming. I want to own my games. When streaming becomes the norm, those extra terabytes will become handy.
Casuals follow the hardcore. They get the consoles where their friends at to play the games you just mentioned. Which by the time, are the hardcore. Hardcore establishes who gets the lead and creates an opportunity for third party deals, which matters to the casual too.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
Yeah, I don’t stream either because of internet lag, but I figured if you mainly play online games you must have a decent connection. I used to be like you regarding ownership, have literally thousands of games in the loft, but now I just finish and trade back. Otherwise they just gather dust and generally lose value. I never go back to old games anyway, I don’t even have time to play the new ones I want!
I guess we have different definitions of hardcore gamer - to me s hardcore gamer has all consoles so as not to miss out on games (as I did back when I had time to play everything), under such a definition the hardcore wont impact the steamrolling sales. Early adopters is what I think you are referring to.
I don't agree with him one bit? With the original PlayStation 4 this was a problem with the 500gb model. And where these next gen games are going to be bigger in size. You are going to have gamers that are going to be installing next gen games, ps plus collection games and the previous ps4 games on their console. And with no fixed date for more storage options this stands at more then a minor issue/ problem?
@thefourfoldroot Again. You are assuming I play mostly online games. Out of the 50 games I bought this gen, only 2 were online only.
I get you. I am so full with ps4, I never needed an xbox or nintendo. Might skip nintendo again because I've grown up. My definition of the hardcore is the same and by that you mean, hardcore are the early adopters.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
Really? Sorry, in a few conversations on a few sites so I can get confused sometimes. Thought you said you had over 30 friends who keep inviting you to play with them which is why you need to have loads of additional storage space.
@thefourfoldroot at a moment I had like 50 lol. Quality over quanitity. I have deleted over 100 people this whole gen (wish I could make them unfollow me).
I regularly play with 10 close friends, but those 10 all play like 10+ different games plus the single player games I have downloaded and currently getting the platinum was too much for 1 terabyte.
A 2 tera is enough. A $500 digital 2 terabytes version would have been great. That is what I would buy if they release it in 2022, which is when I will get the ps5 to play the bangers from this week to that day. Then later one, a 4 tera external storage for both ps4 and ps5 would be enough for the gen and preserve them before streaming takes the norm.
@LiterallyDoNotCare
2TB seems huge to me lol, still rocking a base PS4 with 400Gb useable (74Gb left but can easily delete a load more I’ll likely never get back to)
But if your baseline is that you need to keep at least 10 multiplayer games installed at once I see where you might have problems.
I’d just delete these people or tell them I am playing so and so 5 games I like best and tough if they don’t want to play them. Lol. Plenty of people to play with.
@thefourfoldroot I am most certainly not the majority. I'm also not the head of a large company who built a gaming console with limited storage, space for more, and the ability to hook up external storage, and then said the amount of storage that came with the system is enough for anybody.
It's not about me or you, It's about what he said. And what he said looks stupid with the facts we know.
@rjejr
What he said is absolutely true for the majority. You aren’t the mainstream I agree. Still, you should be able to look at things more objectively.
Wow the Sony Ponies are in full-force here. I thoroughly enjoy Sony, but the blind loyalty that a lot of you are showing is quite appalling.
@thefourfoldroot Objectively
PS5 has ~550GB usable storage
PS5 has a slot for a 2nd internal storage that isn't turned on
PS5 allows external storage, but only for PS4 games
Last gen PS4 consoles are sold with larger 1TB drives
That's objective. You are looking at things subjectively based on what you think people need regardless of all the facts in front of you.
Also, "the majority" that you keep referring to probably don't know who Jim Ryan is, don't Cate who Jim Ryan is, and don't care what Jim Ryan has to say. The only people who know or care anything about him or what he has to say ate the ones he says don't matter. And that's not a good look. He's basically saying "We don't care about are devoted fans, only about casual gamers."
That's not about me, it's about him, what he's saying and who's listening. The people he is talking about aren't even aware of his existence, the people he is blowing off ate the ones paying his salary.
@rjejr
No, he is explaining that he has data showing most people won’t have a problem with the storage space. Yes, ironically, those who read the gaming press are more likely to be hardcore gamers and so more likely to have the issue, as you say, but he’s counting on people being able to see that this is a mass market product and thus objectively understand the rational reasons the SSD is the size it is. Maybe that expectation is ridiculous. Clearly he may be overestimating many.
Objectively speaking, I’m getting over 50% more storage than I’ve had on my PS4 since launch. The games aren’t, on average, 50% bigger.
Objectively speaking, there is the option for adding more storage should you wish. Not at launch, but you aren’t going to fill the SSD with PS5 games at launch. Yes, you personally might want to try to get two generations worth of games on the one SSD, most won’t have your issues.
The issue is we cannot 'archive' PS5 to external storage or use the built in NVME expansion port. Many of us do not have unlimited internet. This will literally prevent me from buying PS5 games in the near future. One download of COD will take 1/10 of my monthly data.
Between limited storage and high game prices it’s like they don’t want us to buy games anymore
@thefourfoldroot I get what your saying and to each it’s but for me I don’t want to have worry about deleting games I finished if I want to play again. I get the idea you can delete games then download next game you want to play but I guess that is just part of inconvenience that I would prefer not to deal with. Like with my Xbox I bought the 1TB storage expansion and now I’ll be good for next several years. I wish Sony had that on day one as having to delete games redownload games is just something I wish I didn’t have to deal with. One of my least favorites things on my PS4 pro was when there was a cod update and hey I don’t have storage so let me try and find a game to delete like I prefer the option to buy 1-2 TB of storage so I don’t have to worry about that for years like I did with my series x at launch. I am definitely a rather pay more for convenience type which there are definitely people not look that which is perfectly fine and understandable but that’s just bummer for me.
@Yfs11six
That’s understood. You realise 1-2 TB SSD drives of this type would quadruple the price of the console though right? With that in mind, do you think it was sensible for Sony to concentrate on releasing consoles people would buy instead? Then release expandable storage when the costs come down to a reasonable level, as they will when these drives become commonplace in the PC market.
@thefourfoldroot "Clearly he may be overestimating many."
I think you may be right, that may be my problem with his statement, he's expecting gamers to respond rationally. 😁
But that's still my problem w/ his statement, he's expecting gamers to respond rationally. Speak to your base, the people most likely to hear it and respond.
He should have said something to the effect of: "We realize some of you would like to add your own internal SSD storage and external HDD and we're sorry but you'll have to wait a little while before you are able to do this."
Or, ya know,
Also "he has data showing" is very 2020 Rudy Guiliani in front of a landscaping business. Not saying he doesn't, but any data he has can mostly likely be interpreted in any number of ways.
@thefourfoldroot my point is Xbox was able to release there console and then sale expandable internal storage that’s what I wish PlayStation would have done. I’m not saying sell the console with more storage for a bunch more money I’m saying sell it separately like Xbox did or put a list out of approved internal ssds for us to go get them. For some it’s to much money to buy more and there are so many other options such as usb harddrive or deleting games etc I wish they would have had a few approved internal ssds at launch so the people like myself who are more then happy to pay more for that extra storage can. I get if they couldn’t have that at launch but I wish they would have given some kind of hey this will be coming at end of year or beginning of next year or something more concrete.
@Yfs11six
But they have said it’ll be coming. Just no time frame. I get that’s bad communication, but that’s all.
And a straight “hell no!” to what MS have done with their system. Proprietary storage solutions are always worse and more expensive in the long run, and even in the short run it’s not cheaper. So no, no way, I’ve already been burnt that way with the VITA. Never again.
@thefourfoldroot And that’s where it definitely is personal preference I would much rather just pay more for convenience of having it day 1 guaranteed compatibility and easy to plug in but that’s me. For me even if they send out list in 3 months of here are 5 compatible ones knowing me I’m going to be like okay but which of those is best does one perform better and that’s just more research things to look into cus I always want best experience lol. A lot of people would rather save the $50 I would rather spend that extra money and it be done and easy day 1. That’s just personal preference though.
@Yfs11six
£50? Lol, try £220 for the 1tb card that MS give as the only option.
https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/accessories/hard-drives/seagate-1tb-expansion-card
Equivalent for Sony are around £230, but that will drop rapidly as they aren’t proprietary
I know it’s $219 I bought Microsofts proprietary 1tb storage expansion day 1. Luckily had target 20% off coupon so got it for like $180. I’m saying $50 for proprietary verse non proprietary not $50 for the expansion card. I think the best compatible internal ssd for Sony still going most likely be within $50 range of $220. It’s not like Sony’s are going to be $99 it’s high specs it’s going to be pricy. Tbh even if they were $130 i would rather pay the $220 for it being proprietary easy to plug in and day 1 available. I understand not everyone would/can afford to pay more but personally for me that’s where it’s personal preference I don’t mind paying extra money for the convenience is what I’m saying.
NOW the headline says "storage". Changed it back then, huh?
Another big issue with what Jim Ryan said is that he never added even a quesstimate of when internal expansion and or external support for PS5 games would be available.
The storage size of the PS5 internal storeage may be way less of an issue if PS5 games could be stored on an external drive when the PS5 released. External drives that lots of those purchasing a PS5 already have that they use with their PS4 because their PS4 internal drive is too small for them.
The PS5 internal will be used for more than the now few PS5 games as PS4 games will be installed for any updates and for the fast ssd.
The hdd size of the PS4 was also an issue from day one. 500 GB with 408GB useable with about 290-310GB as the often reported real useable.
Within weeks there was a flood of info about upgrading the internal hdd and then discussions about possible future external hdd support started to appear. However, i believe, the PS4 internal drive could be upgrade when the PS4 released,
@Richnj I absolutely agree with you. The over-priced memory card is the reason I never got a Vita. I hate organizing my loot on an RPG, imagine people enjoying managing their HDD, downloading and deleting and back again!!! SMH.
@TrolleyProblems
This was just my own preference, I said for me.
I agree with you they should accommodate for the people that require more space but the only way I can really understand why its as low as it is, is because the average consumer doesn't own expandable storage devices and they don't run out of space or when they do they delete games. I game a lot and more space would be cool but it'd drive the price way up, I feel like its okay for what you're paying for.
The amount of space is very inadequate honestly. Next gen games will require this drive and will be much bigger than last gen games so no to all you people saying you never used the 400gb in your ps4. You will need to expect that 400gbs to transfer over to double that and even only adding half of that you are out of room on the ps5. Expandable storage also going to cost basically half the price of a new system. These companies have really lost their minds.
@NoCode23 I love how I was able to unplug my external on my x one and plug and play right out the gate on my series x with it. Storage will be a issue later down the road with the series x because of this option. By then the cards will be cheaper and more competition making them.
Just replying to people who said in their comments “Storage size is fine for me because I’m going to uninstall the game after I finish the game”
I understand when you’re talking about the storyline games but what you’re going to do if you’re playing sport games like FIFA 21, NBA 2K 21, Madden 21 and more, are you going to uninstall these games every time you finish the game or are these games ever have end???
Think about this 🤔😏
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