As reported recently, an oversight in the PlayStation 4’s firmware could render your physical and digital games unplayable in a hypothetical, faraway future. A simple clock battery inside the console is used to verify the time and date that Trophies are unlocked in order to prevent cheating, but these will die in every device one day. While the battery can be easily replaced, you need to connect to the PlayStation Network at least once before you can play your games. Some people on social media are concerned that, one day, PlayStation may turn its servers off – rendering any systems with dead batteries bricked.
Of course, a simple end of life firmware update for the PS4 could solve that problem – and the chances of it shutting down any of the PS4’s core online infrastructure within the next 10 to 15 years are slim to none. It’s also worth remembering that, even in a potential dystopian future where all of the system’s services are offline, the PS5 is fully backwards compatible with near-enough the entirety of the PS4’s library.
Nevertheless, here’s proof of what could happen should circumstances align where Sony’s servers are down and your PS4 clock battery dies:
https://twitter.com/Forest_Reviews/status/1381476327677648905
So yeah, it’s potentially problematic stuff: you get a CE-30391-6 error code, and you can’t play physical or digital games. The error was replicated by removing and replacing the battery from a PS4 Slim, which is what would happen should said power source die. Sony, unsurprisingly, is yet to comment on this; we’re not particularly concerned, to be honest, because there are so many issues that would need to align in order for this to become a real problem – and even if it does happen, it won’t be for well over a decade or two anyway.
[source twitter.com]
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Careful, you don't want to upset the people who think you're being too negative 😆
If we ever get to the point where this happens I reckon it will be the least of our problems. 😜
For now I'll just rely on Push Square to tell me when there's a firmware update so I can update my PS4.
All I have on there is P.T. but still, you never know.
In a world where custom firmware doesn’t exist.......
This is a non-issue. Hell in 20 years you will be able to emulate PS4 games on a budget PC. Plus the PS4 is already hacked so imagine in 20 years you will be able to boot anything from an offline PS4 with a home made update.
My PS4 will be long gone before any of this happens. It already sounds like a squadron of fighter planes taking off. I was hoping to get a PS5 after it finally expires, but that is a bit of an unknown quantity as it stands
Potentional problems are not given attention until it turns into serious problems. I hate these backdoors and other "screw up" components, where product you bought can be terminated by manufacturer.
Game preservation is very important.
Regardless of if YOU think it's a non issue there is a large retro gaming scene that likes playing on original hardware.
From time to time I boot up my megadrive and PS1. If this issue were built in to those older consoles then they would be essentially bricked.
Emulation is not perfect (regardless of how good it can be - even the great emulators can't play some games or bring in imperfections that weren't there on the original hardware) and custom firmware should not be needed to use a product purchased in the far future given then Sony have a legal right to try and bring down the websites distributing it.
This isn't a non issue and is anti consumer. Remember when most playstation fans were gloating about Microsoft going down the "always online" route.
With Sony being big headed with the whole game sharing "thanks" video?
Yea, look at how that's aged.
Funny how there's hysteria that Sony could in future shut down a simple time sync server while there's no concern whatsoever that Steam and Epic won't at some point way in the future shut their servers too, there's no contingency talks about that!
So in order for us not to be able to play our ps4 they would have to turn off connection to PSN snd not release some type of firmware update to legacy things? Meaning we couldn’t buy or download games anyway, and any we bought physically couldn’t get any patches meaning we’d be stuck with unfinished and sometimes unplayable games regardless.
Yeah, I won’t worry about it then. By the time that happens we’ll be on PS6, not care about PS4 games, and/or likely be streaming everything anyway.
I hope sony update the firmware so this didn't happen.
To be fair, let's be honest - the moment PS4 store AND servers ever go down in their legitimate entirety, how many people would remain morally or pragmatically inhibited from putting a CFW on their PS4s? What the digital age means for that part of a console's life is that all the games and updates don't even need a dumping process anymore.😅
Mentions need to connect to PSN at least once to play games, but I know people have used PS4's without an internet connection.
How does that work then? As battery isn't an issue then or is it just reading the time set on the settings and can't read that even after the battery dies?
As someone with a family that regularly plays PS3 games on disc that are 15 years old, this is certainly not a non-issue for me. I take care of my stuff, and I like to be able to use what I've purchased. I understand of course that electronics don't last forever, but hopefully this is something that can be fixed with an update.
As was mentioned, thankfully the PS5 can still play basically all PS4 games, so its less of a potential issue than it could otherwise be. Well.....if we're ever able to buy PS5s, that is.
@TeapotBuddha Ouch. I can imagine your pain over that one.
'Some people on social media are concerned...'
Nothing to see here folks.
I'll be an old man in a faraway future so I'll face it then lol
did i say something like this was possible also if it has been in there since 2013 now 2021 i do not think they would fix it so that means both digtal and phyical are worthless after web and batter dies
Yes, i don't believe they would let that happen. If consoles were bricked, this is a "feature" customers were not warned about and would lead to lawsuits and many angry customers.
This is obviously an anti-piracy measure and it must be removed/fixed before all services go offline.
I am happy the ps5 is there to save the day, but it would not be acceptable to intentionally leave something in that will brick all systems.
Well I would be almost certain that the PS5 will have this issue too, the PS3 is also subject to it. I would hazard a guess that you’ll still be able to access the PSN server to authenticate the time in future, so long as PSN is still a thing. The authentication server likely accepts requests from all devices (PS3,4,5 etc) and responds accordingly. There would be nothing saved by removing access to a particular device to make these requests. Nothing would be stopping them from doing this, just seems unlikely to me.
@solocapers Agreed! I had a feeling that investing a lot of money into a PS4 would someday prove to be a bad idea. People on this website seem to think that a company stealing your money is no big deal. Hardware failure is one thing, but this oversight is downright anti consumer.
@truerbluer You ever heard of the Goldberg steam emulator? People are already prepped for that issue. Every purchase I’ve ever made is backed up in triplicate, and fully playable without needing steam.
@AllDaSportsALLOFDEM This article is actually highly important. I wouldn’t blow it off; Sony is starting to appear to be the snake oil salesman, who will end up stealing your money, in the end.
What's the betting that despite the usual social media pitchfork mobs crying about it, this never actually becomes an issue for anyone?
If it's a "firmware oversight", it will be corrected. If it's an intentional "security feature", it'll be disabled when the PS4 reaches the end of its useful life and gets its last firmware update.
And if neither of those are true? Maybe focus on the follow-up tweet: https://twitter.com/Forest_Reviews/status/1381747384917630976
@AllDaSportsALLOFDEM I’m not going to live my life based on your values. I (and others) don’t support such practices. Hardware failure is one thing, and that’s understandable. Stuff breaks. But if Sony doesn’t have a way to fix this, then they just ran off with everyone’s money and we get nothing in return. If you’re ok with that, you do you.
@AllDaSportsALLOFDEM Buzz off, I don’t need some fan boi bothering me.
“... it won’t be for well over a decade or two anyway.’
That’s what everybody said before Skynet took over...
The fact we're only just hearing about this in 2021 shows it isn't too much a problem.
@TwomanybuttonS I dont like illegal stuff but as with the PS1 which made it impossible to play imported official games i didnt think twice i bought legal do i didnt feel to bad about it.
Hmm...backwards compatibility with previous gen...where did I hear this before...oh right, read that via Firefox on my OG PS3 running the Yellow dog linux in between swapping PS2 DVDs for nostalgia (and backwards compatibility) reasons...
@truerbluer Steam always said in the case of shutting down the service, they will provide a way to back up your games
While I still have my PS3, which plays everything till that point my PS4's are already packed up and ready to go. Just like I don't need a PS2 with my Fat PS3 playing those games I don't need a PS4 with PS5 covering those games.
And a simple firmware update will fix this issue. Would be nice if that update came before people packed away their PS4's but I will still bring mine out and do the final update some time in the future.
PS4 slim I had, had a software problem. I tried doing a hard reset following the article link given below
https://devicereset.online/2021/02/07/how-to-factory-reset-sony-playstation-4-slim/
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