For those of a certain age, Pro Evolution Soccer is iconic. Back on the PlayStation 2, there was a period where Konami’s football franchise was bigger than even FIFA, and while it’s been on a gradual decline ever since the PS3 era, many felt that more recent entries outpaced EA Sports’ alternative where it mattered: on the pitch.
In fact, fans of the series even appreciated the organisation’s honesty with last year’s instalment: eFootball PES 2021: Season Update was effectively a roster update, and advertised as much, while it worked on a true next-gen instalment targeting this year. Many of you will remember the Lionel Messi trailer, which supposedly showed off the advancements being made to the Barcelona forward’s player model.
In fact, even recently PLAY magazine included an interview with developers on the series, talking about how advanced its first PS5 instalment would be. While there were concerns levelled at the recent beta the Japanese publisher put out, many thought that it was utilising smartphone code to test its networking – not gameplay.
It turns out, actually, that it’s the game Konami’s been making all along, as it transitions to a free-to-play, cross-platform ecosystem. It’s news that, frankly, has not gone down well with the release’s fanbase. The phrase ‘RIP PES’ has been trending on Twitter for most of the day, while the official Reddit community is on fire with frustrated fans.
The criticisms are wide and varied, from the downgrade in visuals to the fact that the initial release sounds more like a demo than a full game. The publisher will have expected some backlash, of course, but it genuinely feels like franchise fans are stunned by the news. Some have even mocked up the new eFootball logo, transforming the ‘e’ into a ‘€’ to reflect the business model.
Konami will hope, naturally, that going free-to-play will bring new players to the series, and so it’ll likely be shutting its ears to the criticism for now. It’s also worth noting that we’re yet to play the final game: it could, after all, be the greatest soccer simulation ever made. That said, it’s got an uphill battle ahead of it right now, and the series’ core fanbase isn’t just disappointed – they feels like they’ve been duped.
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I’ll always have my memories of Castolo, Minanda and Dodo. And Adriano in PES 6.
@The_New_Butler I remember Obafemi Martins being insanely good in PES 6 as well despite only being like 21!
@nessisonett Haha Adriano was so overpowered in PES6.He was untouchable in the right hands.
I've always preferred pes but this sounds terrible but I can understand why they may go for this model because last few instalments of pes did not do very well, maybe its just Purley to build the fan base up but if the games ***** then it going to have the opposite effect.
@The_New_Butler @TheIronChimp Me and my older brother were still playing PES 2008 together even until a couple of years ago. My greatest moment was pinging a ridiculous long shot with Van Buyten which just meant I kept trying to recreate it to no avail 😂
Babangida on the wing with his 99 Speed! and who can for forget Roberto Larcos (CARLOS) at lb with his free kicks .
#RIPPES
@The_New_Butler Yeah that’s very true actually, FIFA doesn’t have those random moments anymore because it’s trying to be an eSport and that would be ‘unfair’. I worry that PES is going the same way now.
I mean, at the end of the day, it's freaking Konami. There's really no reason to ever expect anything good from them, even as they've been reduced to putting out just one title per year.
Sounds like fans have got a bone to Pique with Konami.
@The_New_Butler
so accurate. I started on PES 2014 and I had Balotelli recieve a long ball on the half way line and heel flick it forward over his head to run onto it. I powered on with him and nailed a placed shot in the 90th to take it to 3-3. My friend put his controller down and applauded. Never done it since 😂😂
will stick to football manager, I might pick up FIFA in the future if they get rid of loot boxes, maybe in 30 years
Note: Twitter and Reddit are not real world opinion. Journalists and politicians haven’t worked that out yet, but hey.
The YouTube reveal has largely positive likes. Most people won’t care until they all get worn down with this negativity. It didn’t look too bad to me.
Konami thought they were EA for a second there.
Couldn't they have just released a full version and this version give people a choice saves the aggro, may even draw even more people to it then as well.
Yesterday it was Tom Clancy, today PES. Soon Naughty Dog. Everyday brings its own bad online-free-death of the one player game-subscription model is king- news. So sad.
@hoffa007 That's essentially what they've been doing for a few years now with the free PES Lite releases.
Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks PES being killed off and replaced by a FTP model football is a good thing for sports gamers is seriously Deluded.
Terrible day for footballer gamers.
RIP PES - you had a good run. Thanks for the memories
Like many others, I've got crazy fond memories of games like pes 3 and 5. My pes 5 master league team when you unlocked world all time greats and having Pele and Dalglish upfront was a thing of beauty. Great couch vs too. Their must be space for an indie dev to do a take on that ps2 era footie game without licenses but modern online
@Topov81 thats true, well I guess everyone cannot have it all.
Fans and players of the series.
What is your recommendation for someone who was a fan but didn’t not play the series since the PS3 days?
Which version should I get before it turns into pay to win and microtransactions hill.
Side note: I don’t play online a lot and thank you in advance.
I can live with micro transactions to be honest and understand Konami need to find a way to make the game pay but cross play with mobile is going to ruin the great PES gameplay, one of its only strong points. Personally I’m gutted. I’ll try it and hope my assertions are wrong. RIP PES, thanks for the sweet memories.
Ah, yes, the final nail on Konami's coffin!
Football games have never reached the pinnacle of what Sensible World of Soccer reached. Fifa and PES never got close. Ever.
No ML, no DL :-/
(hoping clarifications come, particularly around offline modes and controls, and that a lot of what was shown was mobile based - but pessimistic...)
A lot of people are down on this right now but I think it’s a fantastic idea by Konami. They had themselves a nice franchise but they were never beating Fifa, now they will open it up to more people, this could go really wrong but if they do it right then I have a hope that this can really change sports games.
Everyone who follows a sports franchise is so used to buying a new game every year, I already pre ordered NBA 2k22 even though I feel 2k21 was a huge step backwards in multiple ways. The games being free could bring back a lot of fans who are tired of the usual routine.
I feel like the ultimate team type modes could really benefit from this, I play my team and I think it’s a great mode but 4 months in and they are already bringing out the most powerful cards, a few months after that everyone in the game is a god. If a game is free to play without new entries coming out every year it will force them to look at a mode like this and tone it down, I don’t care if it’s fantasy, I want my players to have strength and weaknesses like in real life.
I am not a soccer fan but I have enjoyed some of the games in the past, I haven’t bought one before but I could see myself giving this a try, if the gameplay is fun and there is a competitive mode where everyone builds their own unique team then I feel like this can bring in plenty of non soccer fans.
@nessisonett Jaric & Valeny were beastly CB’s in the early games.
Later on they added players like Castledine & Arcas, who could end up in the low to mid-80’s if you stuck with them & would sell for a lot.
Also Minandinho 🐐 😂
@Kienda what are you talking about?
Youtubers have probably been 'incentivised' by Konami to say good things. A bit harder to do that with loads of randoms on social media.
Believe what you want of course, but the overwhelming reaction to this has been whatever is worse than negative! And rightly so. If I was Konami right now I'd feel extremely embarrassed!
@Bingbongboyo touche!
I think this announcment is so poorly received not neccessarily because it's F2P but because the graphics are awful when people were promised a next gen football game. The graphics are worse than the 2021 game!
Also, the bare bones release with 'roadmap' whereby people will have to wait until winter for more content. That may work for Fortnite, but football has defined seasons and it will be 4 or more months into the season before people can use different modes and clubs.
And the main thing PES had over FIFA all those years was the editing mode. If that goes or is watered down, it's game over for the community.
Remember Recoba and Adriano in PES6 ?
@tomassi you said, “Believe what you want of course, but the overwhelming reaction to this has been whatever is worse than negative! And rightly so. If I was Konami right now I'd feel extremely embarrassed!”
This reaction is exactly what I’m talking about. Social media sites, especially Twitter, are just full of hyperbole. The video isn’t that bad. Could the graphics look better? Yes. But it’s not FIFA and it’s on frickin’ mobile platforms, so they can’t perform miracles and what they have done is acceptable.
YouTube isn’t paid for clicks and likes. Twitter is largely extremely left wing in politics and the way it works it’s like a toilet wall that people use marker pen on to moan and write abuse at each other. It’s user base is lowering making just 1% to 1.5%of the worlds population and nuanced views are being pushed out. The same is happening with Reddit which makes up about 0.68%. This is why Twitter and Reddit polls never work in real life especially when it comes to politics.
It is also the reason why you see more “right wing” stuff on Facebook. Not because it is more right wing, but because it has 30% of the worlds population using it and they don’t crack down on views as hard as Twitter so they allow all groups to have a voice and you then get a more balance audience although groups are still echo chambers.
Anyway, I could give much more info. But I stand by what I have said.
1. This game is made with mobile in mind, is free to play, and has a much lower budget than FIFA.
2. Twitter and Reddit are a tiny fraction of extremist views that should never be taken as public opinion.
@Kienda the reaction is negative BECAUSE the graphics are awful and it's been produced as a mobile game though. Not because twitter is full of hyperbole (I agree, it is).
This is a yearly football franchise that has had fantastic graphics for the last few years. Of course people are fuming that they've dumbed it down just so that people can play it on their iPhone. The video IS that bad. The 'roadmap' (excuse me whilst I throw up) IS that bad.
Why would I want a football game where I can only play as 9 different teams until Winter, when a third of the football season is already been and gone? Why would I want to play a mobile game on my PS5?
It's not like this is a new franchise. It's PES. It's the only other established football game other than FIFA. They have a smaller budget than FIFA, but that hasn't meant the previous iterations have been worse than FIFA, so you can't now use that as an excuse as to why the graphics are suddenly awful.
And, they've had TWO years to come up with this. TWO years!!!! And they flat out lied in all their promo stuff up to this point. At least if you pay £60 per year for a sports game there is some kind of onus to make the game better each year. Why would Konami need to make the gameplay or graphics better now it's F2P? As long as people are buying whatever rubbish they are selling for vbucks, sorry I mean, PES points, why would they need to change anything?
Of course, I may be wrong (and hope I am) but if everyone on twitter is being hyperbolic in their distate for this endeavour, then I guess I am as well because it's awful.
@get2sammyb Some additional clarifications - https://twitter.com/play_eFootball/status/1418162380941533184
I am never going to play this game.
But then I wasn't before so
As long you like the game you'll find eFootball iconic as title for the the game after some time! I remember people not liking the change of ISS to PES!
@Dr-M Pes 2018. It's the best this gen. 19 has issues with ball bouncing and you could see the focus towards a more FIFA focused game, it was still good though. 18 for me was perfect, awesome on the passing and strategies that make sense. The ML is a shadow of its former self but still ok. Running a league or world cup is great and the online myclub mode was fun as it was massively misbalanced and I had Lukaku, Maradonna, Veratti, Lacazette and Alderweireld within the first few hours of playing. Within a week I had added Batistuta, Pique, Maldini and a couple of players I can't remember the name of (Real Madrid sub LB at the time and Atleticos midfielder). It was fun and didn't need to buy any extra credits as your team was OP within a few weeks and you win loads of players in competition.
Oh man, me and my roomies played PES to death in our uni days. Shame, but fingers crossed it turns out alright
@themcnoisy Thank you sooooo much.
I really appreciate you taking the time to give me this detailed answer so thank you again.
I followed your recommendation and bought it.
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