There are things that are occurring in the PlayStation Nation that Sony has little control over. For example, the Japanese giant can do little if Microsoft decides to drop near-$70 billion at Bobby Kotick’s doorstep in order to buy Activision Blizzard. There are other instances where the platform holder can do better, however – and the way it handles cross-gen games on its subscription services is one such thing.
Next week, subscribers will be able to download Planet Coaster: Console Edition as part of February 2022’s PS Plus update – a pretty cool game. However, despite this title offering a free PS4 to PS5 upgrade, the release will only be available to owners of new-gen consoles. If you’re still playing on a PS4 – perhaps you can’t find PS5 stock – then the best you can do is redeem the PS5 version through your phone, but you won’t be able to download and play it until you have the console in your home. Sony may argue that this is a bonus title, included specifically for new-gen adopters, but it’s been wildly inconsistent on this front.
Last month’s PS Plus update included two cross-gen titles, Deep Rock Galactic and DIRT 5, and it didn’t matter whether you owned a PS5 or PS4: you could enjoy both games. This inconsistency is unnecessarily maddening and makes for a bad look on Sony’s behalf: why do some titles on Sony’s subscriptions straddle both generations and not others?
The same can be said of PS Now, which has the reverse problem. While it’s fair that PlayStation considers this a PS4 specific service, it’s heavily promoted all over the PS Store and PS5 dashboard, so it’s bizarre that titles like GTA 3 Definitive Edition – which also promise free PS4 to PS5 upgrades – are restricted to just the PS4 versions on PS Now.
Clearly Sony is saving itself a few quid here when negotiating with publishers, but this needs to stop. If a game is available on both platforms, and is eligible for free upgrades, then there’s no reason to arbitrarily tie the titles to specific platforms. Hopefully this is one of the first things the rumoured PS Plus reboot Project Spartacus solves, because it’s such an unnecessary unforced error at a time when the value proposition of PlayStation subscriptions is under more scrutiny than ever before.
[source pushsquare.com]
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It’s just yet another unnecessary complication. Every single Sony decision these days needs an asterisk.
@nessisonett Yep! Unnecessary and inconsistent!
It's a weird thought, but maybe(just maybe) being a multi billion dollar company is not enough to get everything you want. Look at how scared Activision was to do anything new.
You need a trillion or 2 in the bank so you can breathe freely.
Ps+ leaving games up for 6 months or something would make a difference i think.
I mean it wouldn't affect us regulars but would leave a much larger available library of games available to a newcomer.
Problem with ps+ is that even the great months are just flashes. They are great in the long term, ive probably built up a collection that rivals gamepass, but for newcomers its a hard sell.
Could it be a developer related issue?
Not that it leaves Sony off the hook as they obviously can choose to just select a different title alltogether.
I honestly think Jim Ryan is also a huge problem here. He's so detached from the industry and so clearly just a corporate drone. I feel everything we are told and most of what Playstation has done in terms of marketing and fan communication/consideration for several years now has just been trash and shameless profiteering.
Good lord, Sony is pushing me away from their platform more and more with these antics, and I'm so sick of it. Like, what the hell is happening with this company?
Are they purposefully trying to piss people off or?
People attacked me when I said that Jim Ryan is dragging Playstation to the ground and look what's happening lol.
They saving money to buy Disney.
This is tough news for the one PS4 owner who gives a sh*t about whatever tf “Planet Coaster” is 🙄
Your whiny nitpicking here is really tiresome.
The reality is Sony can't just rely on having an advantage with games anymore. There are just so many things Xbox does better, particularly in the quality of life department, and now they have bigger IPs, more potential game output, and a subscription service bleeding money out of every orifice to get everybody hooked. Sony needs to improve their offerings because Microsoft will win a battle of attrition.
I have to say that I think Sammy is right but he missed a massive point, Sony could do waaaaaaay more to stop the scapler practice.
I have a PS5 from launch but can imagine how others will feel that they are being ignored buy Sony, surely there is something they can do to ensure everyone has a fair chance of getting a console. Even worse is they are punishing those who don't have one with these practices
@figboot Planet Coaster is actually a very popular game on PC. Not sure how well the experience transitions to console but the game itself deserves more attention than you're giving it.
Sony is in a constant state of obliviousness.
I think the service and experience is splintered and that is never a good look. Consistency and standardization will go a long way if and when things get cooking properly. No more asterisks.
Gee, it’s almost as if Jim Ryan is just an incompetent leader or something.
I assume it comes down to licenses and that a PS Plus game doesn't essentially mean you get the license for the free upgrade as if you really purchased it. Also its 1 Ps5 game and 2 Ps4 games so I don't see why you think Planet Coaster would apply to Ps4 as well just because there is a Ps4 version. I think you're expecting too much from what's essentially bonuses of the service. Also at least you get Ps5 games. GWG just get Xbox One games and whatever BC crap they can dig up.
The whole thing just looks messy, Sony needs to bring in an outside voice to help make the whole Playstation infrastructure more organized and seemless.
By FAR the biggest problem with PS Now is the lack of DLC available for Asura's Wrath. Everything else pales in comparison to not being able to finish that anime disguised as a game because the ending is locked behind DLC.
I'm only being half sarcastic. Would love to be able to play it through again w/o buying a PS3.
@Cloud7794 It is backwards compatible on Xbox and just went on sale.
I don’t understand the concept that if you don’t claim the game in a month you don’t get it. Really glad I left the Sony ecosystem. So much confusion. At least have a set standard and follow it.
I'm glad I let my PS+ sub expire.
Not missing out on anything worthwhile and quite enjoying singleplayer games on PS5.
Maybe, just maybe, I'll resub when they sorted their mess.
@Halucigens Claiming games with Games With Gold works the exact same way so I don't see your point. At least you can claim the games without even needing to turn on your system and can claim Ps5 games without a Ps5. There's really no excuse to not have 5 minutes out of a month to claim something.
Well just let your subs lapse...
...or maybe that's what they've been trying to get everyone to do!?
.....Quick!!!! Stack as many cheap PS+ 12 month deals as you can!!
@mucc Both subscriptions should just automatically put them in your account. Why give me the choice to claim them or not? What’s the benefit of not claiming it? Why even have the option? I don’t have to claim music on Spotify or shows on Netflix. I’m already subscribed just give me the content.
. Not sure why you brought up Games with Gold but at least I can pay for my subscription with reward points for playing games. Spent 20 bucks for 10 months of Game Pass ultimate. Pretty amazing value for myself.
@Halucigens Maybe because some people dont want every game added to their account? I brought up GWG because it's the service comparable with PS Plus and works the exact same way. Also you dont claim anything on those services because you dont get to keep anything unlike Plus and GWG. You get what they provide for as long as they provide it and certain content comes and goes. With Plus and GWG you have access to those games forever as long as you have a subscription because they're added to your account.
I couldn't care less about doing mundane tasks in games I have no interest in for points when I make enough money to pay for gaming. Time is more important than money.
You do know PS Plus changed to two ps4 games and one PS5 game per month a while back. With Planet Coaster Im sure the dev had a hand in what could be given away for the contract price given. The problem I see is PS4 owners can not claim the PS5 game for later when they can buy a PS5. Even though they are paying the same price for PS Plus as a current PS5 owner who can claim all 3. Sony will most likely change this to 1 PS4 game and 2 PS5 games in the future.Then the PS4 will be dropped with no games for PS4 and only 2 PS5 games will be given.
@nessisonett the asterisks is a perfect point. Realized the same thing today looking at the ps plus announcement which contained 3 asterisks in small print at the bottom. Just bewildering decisions to confuse your community even further
Sony have been quite frustrating over the past few years with silly little things like this. Although Nintendo have been doing frustrating little things like this to me for nearly 40 years to be fair.
I have a feeling that Sony is trying to push me off their platform and actually recently I started thinking about whether to trade PS5 for XSX or not?
@RevGaming if what you say is true, Sony is seriously taking the 'mickey'
If a game has a 'FREE' upgrade path if you 'bought' the game, then I think its terrible that Sony limit their PS+ offerings to one or the other device. To me, it devalues their offerings as they are 'not' the full release experience as the full release would allow us to play on 'BOTH' generations.
I'm not 'too' bothered, as I am 'fortunate' enough to own a PS5 anyway so can play 'PS4' via BC but not having 'Free' upgrades for PS+ isn't 'great'.
I'm losing more and more interest in the 'Sales' Dominated business models of a number of publishers. Activision 'were' the 'worst' case as none of their games 'sold' like CoD, that made them focus more and more studio's into CoD. Why let that studio make a new Crash game that doesn't 'sell' like CoD when that studio can make sure CoD comes out this year. Not making Days Gone 2 because it wasn't 'successful' enough.
At the end of the day,the fact I own a PS5 means it doesn't impact me too much. Yes its disappointing when a 'PS4' PS+ game doesn't come with a 'free' upgrade to PS5 version when the regular PS4 version does and disappointing for 'PS4' owners when they only offer the PS5 version, but ultimately I can play 'all' on my PS5.
Over the course of the past year, despite some 'good' games on PS+, I don't think I have actually bothered downloading and playing 'any' - although added a few to my Library. It's basically telling me the 'only' reason I sub to PS+ is for the online access and if that went 'free' (not that I expect it to), I wouldn't miss PS+ games...
I get it when there’s a PS4 version it makes sense if some people feel it should have auto upgrade I get it.
but saying if there is a PS5 game offered it’s got to be auto down grade option to PS4 now?
Fake drama in my opinion (fake drama article because I haven’t seen drama about this particular case)
I don’t get the logic other than free stuff is good and make people want it if you say it would be cool right?
@JohnKarnes
I agree with your comment but are you sure about this : ‘The problem I see is PS4 owners can not claim the PS5 game for later’
Usually people can claim through the app or the official site? Can’t they?
@Halucigens I think the point is you're tearing down Sony while bigging up MS when Gold is the same as Plus but worse because they hardly ever put anything of worth on there anymore. It just comes across as playing fanboy to be blunt.
@mucc
Man I wish we got the same sort of ‘it’s BS, it’s maddening’ opinion articles about the crap Ms is doing with their ‘strategic’ acquisitions and pointing the finger where it’s due but we probably get another gamepass is amazing opinion piece soon instead.
Haha
Sony wont push me away from their System as thats where i prefer to game. The games, for me are better, pure and simple. They have however made me cancel my PS+ tho as i dont game online and the offerings to me have not been worth it to download games i already own. If something particularly good comes up i will sub a month to play it and back up my saves etc. GWG is a good offer if you have the time to invest in all those newly added games. For me it was a bit too overwhelming which sounds daft i know.
The main problem for me with Sony is they keep too quiet for extended periods of time. Holding their cards to their chest like they are about to drop a royal flush then when the lay them out its just a turd and everyone goes back to being disappointed and moaning again.
Well, I figure the “need” to offer streaming on Now (and so not further confuse and fragment the service), along with restrictions on components needed to stream ps5 games and the lack of PS5 owners is the reason for that decision.
As for Plus, they likely have a budget set based on the cost they sell the service for, and publishers insist on more money to offer both versions of the game. This obviously looks bad in relation to Gamepass, but that service is far more expensive (plus we should really compare, if you feel comparison is necessary, to Games with Gold, and there Sony clearly offer better value).
As a PS5 owner I’d like more PS5 versions given but, honestly, cross gen PS5 games are often little different from the PS4 version, just slightly more stable or with higher resolution.
They are getting just like they are in the tv market which dropped them to third place behind Samsung and LG.
Money pinching for years or silly decisions on Dolby Vision, VRR, ALLM on the tv and blu ray market.
Promised updates that never came.
I mean who releases a top end OLED in 2021 with no VRR etc and Dolby connection issues with other devices.
They did the same in the 90s in the Walkman market and we know what happened there.
My faith in Sony and their corporate decisions made me by an LG C1 over a Sony tv.
They seem to make some self destructive discussions at camp Sony.
@JohnKarnes
No problem to claim ps5 games even if you dont have a ps5 yet.
I did that for months before getting a ps5.
Just add it on ps app and you have it.
@JohnKarnes
“ The problem I see is PS4 owners can not claim the PS5 game for later when they can buy a PS5. ”
Yes, yes they can. As long as they have a smartphone, or know somebody with one. Or have a PC at home or access to one…
Not sure why, after all these years, people are still unclear about this. We’ve always been able to claim these game on the website of app.
Saving a quid here and there is the name of the game under the reign of Jim Ryan. And honestly I feel like this Project Spartacus has way to much hype and knowing Sony its going to be a letdown, so temper your expectations with this.
It changed a while back 2 ps4 games + 1 ps5 game. I don't see the issue. Can always add the ps5 to your library, even if you don't currently own a ps5. Same way as i've been added psvr games to my library (waiting on psvr 2.0). I really don't see the issue. Simple fact is ps4 is winding down. I'd say in the next 2-3 years no more ps4 games will be made . After all, it will ten years since the ps4 was released November next year. Most consoles generation last ten years. It will also tie in with the microchip issues as apparently they will be fixed next year.
@JohnKarnes
If you use the PS app or use a PC to acces the PlayStation store you can add the PS5 titles to your library. So when you get a PS5 you have all the titles.
Yep, I don't get it and have been confused by the avengers on now being ps4 only and gatekeeping upgrades for plus games, like for ff7R. These decisions are going to stack up to a narrative that you get nickel and dimed if you game on a sony platform. I genuinely question some of the strategic thinking on these business decisions.
Hold up a minute , push square screaming bu###hit seems strong , this whole article Seems a little angry.
I find this whole to those that can’t get a ps5 thing a little tiresome I know people are really struggling to get a ps5 but they’ve shipped more ps5s in the same time frame as they shipped PS4 . I know people are grumpy because ms bought Activision right now but these are value add free games - they can still be added to library as you’ve said before during the launch window so when you do upgrade boom a ps5 library in the waiting ?
Sony have always been a little inconsistent and these things are locked in for months in advance , did we really expect them to come out swinging giving free stuff left right and Chelsea ? They can’t afford too - this project Spartacus - I hope it doesn’t come - as long term it will hurt Sony - short term people will be happy - no people will moan.
Sony need to lock down and become more like Nintendo in this new wave of the gaming battleground if they become more like MS they’ll be gone in ten years - bankrupt
@Lincolnwho they cant be more like Nintendo. Their IP's cant carry them like Nintendo's do, in quality most definately but they cost waaaaaaay more to produce and dont get near the return sales of N's exclusive big hitters like Mario Kart, Zelda, Pokemon, Animal crossing etc.Nintendo is in a completely different bubble. They have no competition in the hybrid console departmen. Sony is in direct competition with MS, even if Mr Spencer says otherwise. Sony has money to spend and innovate the PlayStation brand but with big Jimbo at the helm thats not gonna happen but thats just my oppinion and i know nothing of running a company like Sony. . People may hate on spencer but his drive and passion is clear to see. Ryans like a wet cloth.
They need to do something because im a big Sony fan and even i can see there is a problem with the way things are.
I think their IPs nearly do , bigger boys nintendo, it’s their studios and games quality any way - Sony is not afraid to try a new IP instead of sticking with the same limited franchises - I for one don’t like the moves away to a subscription service - Sony and nintendo need to lock in the physical buyers and make that their model that will pay for their high end boutique games model. This is like the Wii era with everyone fawning over motion controls with Sony and ms trying to compete , they shouldn’t have bothered and just stuck to being good at what they do and not panic.
Stop moaning, people. There's some cracking games coming out this year.
@Lincolnwho im not keen on subscriptions either mate. Sold my series S because i only had the choice of a subscription (GP) or paying way over the odds for digital, something else im not a fan of. Physical all the way when possible for me too 👌
I'll probably get flamed here but I can't be the only one that doesn't see a problem? The game can still be claimed. It's been 1 PS5 game and 2 PS4 games for ages now...
@Kidfunkadelic83 now this I can get onboard with , I have a series s in the house ? But all that 360 bloat/no interest in that - ms has some very vocal support for gamespass and that is turning heads either to games pass or screaming at Sony they want the same ? Let’s all get back to enjoying the games and the rest will take care of its self #imnotspartacus
@elvisfan1 these are exactly my thoughts , this article seems hella strange
@Lincolnwho i agree. I read the articles but try not to comment too much as it just puts a downer on my gaming expieriences atm. Ive got more than enough to last me a few years to be getting on with without worrying what Sony will do next really 😂.
Have a good day 🤜🤛
You’ve hit the nail on the head. Xbox actually encourages cross gen support.
You see it when something is advertised for physical release. The picture shows one disc gets you all Xbox One and Series access, but PlayStation “believes in generations” and as such you have to buy either the PS4 or PS5 version.
This is why I personally have turned to Xbox for multi platform games (which are the majority I spend my time on) while Sony is now just for exclusives.
@get2sammyb I've been grumbling on this site about this very practice ever since Wreckfest came out on PS+ but only for the PS5 - what was the PS4 extra game that month? We didn't get one!
Looks like the same sh*t is happening this month too - OK maybe Planet Coaster isn't my cup of tea but the fact that PS4 users are getting crapped on AGAIN really does make me wonder about my loyalty to Playstation going forward under the new frankly crap management.
Going to stick with Sony since they make games like Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted, GoW etc. and have strong ties to great Japanese 3rd party studios.
My loyalties to psplus however have wained over the last two years. Meanwhile I'm also on switch and series s.
@elvisfan1 Sony and Microsoft don't live in bubbles, the competition between the two changes expectations for each other's platforms. Like if Game Pass didn't exist there wouldn't have been all this talk about Spartacus and the "need" for a Game Pass style service on Playstation.
For some reason Nintendo is able to live in a bubble though.
@elvisfan1 It's definitely a non-issue for me. This is all bonus stuff that comes with my sub.
Most months I just add these games to my library and save them for a rainy day. I'm really missing the days when we compared platforms by the quality of their exclusives rather than the services they provide.
Saying that, I'm excited to see what Spartacus is. If Crunchyroll is part of it I'll be chuffed.
@elvisfan1 Last month, PS5 owners had 3 games - 1 PS5 title and 2 PS4 titles. PS4 owners has 3 games - PS4 version of the same PS5 title and the 2 PS4 titles.
@Bismarck I sure know I do...
Who knows, maybe Sony wanted to offer cross-gen, but the devs wanted too much money.
@Shepherd_Tallon I'm also excited for Spartacus. I was lucky enough to get a PS5 on launch but my friend wasn't. He has just been claiming the PS5 games every month and now that he has one, he's loving life.
I think people expect too much from it personally.
@sanderson72 There was nothing to stop PS4 owners claiming the PS5 game though.
I'm subbing to gamepass pc again (got it cheap from online shop), I got halo infinity that I really enjoyed and death door this month, man psplus is kind of suck, lol.
If you don't like it then jump ship to the other camp. Neither side is perfect so you just have to deal with the choices they make due to the choice you make. I rarely play the PS Plus or Games with Gold games anyway but it is always nice to have something to play on a rainy day.
@elvisfan1 True, but I'd be claiming a game for a console I neither own, can easily find or - to a certain extent - can be bothered to find.
Until PS5 exclusives start to drop (by that, I mean non-cross-gen) I cannot see the point of trading in the Pro for a PS5. If the game exists on the PS4, why not include it in the PS+ sub?
Wreckfest and Planet Coaster have recently been included in the PS Store sales so it's hardly going to be a licencing or profit argument that precludes the PS4 version being included?
Honestly just feel Sony needs some wins right now. This is a simple one and they're bottling it.
Things like abandoning the PS5 upgrade tax or allowing PS4 controllers on PS5 (even if just for Player 2-4) would go a long way to say they are listening to the community.
As it stands, as a platform agnostic player, i'm starting to buy more titles on Xbox right now than PlayStation this generation. I have more faith in Microsoft to make my games playable, backwards compatible or upgradable in the future than I do Sony at this point.
Will always have a PS for the exclusives but right now i'm looking at everything else over on XB.
I see your point but...eh what can I say I just can't bring myself to care too much about it. At the end of the day I got PS+ more for online and the occasional discount for stuff on the store. The free plus games are more just a bonus for me but if I was primarily only living off of plus games I could see why some folks would be a bit annoyed.
I wonder how many people use physical vs digital games. I mostly buy physical so it can sit nice and pretty as an ornament afterwards. I also kinda prefer having a couple main games at a time with some complementary multiplayer like FIFA or FF14. I guess if you are completing a lot of games each month, subscription offerings matter a lot. Most gamers I know take a month or more to finish a game. Elden Ring and Horizon FW will last your average gamer months of playtime and both are not in a subscription as far as I know. Subscription games for me then feel kinda irrelevant.
@Kidfunkadelic83 and you sir , have a good day 😊
@thefourfoldroot this I what I did and by the time I got a PS5 I had 12 months of PS5 PS+ games to get me started. I haven’t played any of them yet though... 👀 start as you mean to go on 🤣
Tbf to @JohnKarnes, it’s not advertised at all. I only knew how to do this myself because I Googled it when the PS5 launched. Initially I assumed you had to own a PS5 to be able to claim them - which is probably what they want people to think...
Some of the recent decisions by Sony are making me consider switching to Xbox, despite it not being supported in my region.
@TBQL95 To be honest there are annoyances with the Series X but I'd recommend jumping ship if you're undecided. I own a PS5 to play their first party exclusives and thats enough for me no matter what inconsistencies exist with PS+ - but if that isn't enough for you then certainly try the Xbox and GP. I'd also recommend buying it first before selling PS5 in case you change your mind.
Removed - unconstructive
The optics don't look good, I'll give you that.
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@figboot Why is it that every time Sony gets RIGHTFULLY criticized, there's always that one person that tries to put gamers at fault? Like I really don't get it. Are you really okay with Playstation becoming more and more anti-consumer?
You know it's a "messed" up industry where EA (who had one of the biggest gaming controversies of all time) is more gamer-friendly these days than Sony that ruled the PS4 era.
Stop shilling, and call out nasty practices, regardless of which company/publisher it is.
@Intr1n5ic indeed. The entitlement is strong with this site
I'm more pissed by the fact that they keep getting paid demos from 2K/Gearbox.
@CynicalGamer I mostly buy physical too. Only buy digital when heavily discounted or for digital only releases.
If digital games were cheaper at launch (they really should be with no overheads) I might consider buying digital. But there’s no way I’d do that when the physical copy is almost always cheaper than digital at launch.
Plus, there are usually amazing deals on physical games, like the Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart deal last Christmas for £25. Digital only gamers miss out on those. Having a PS5 disc version, you get the best of both worlds.
Yeah, I like to see my games on a shelf too 😁 Though it bugs me to no end that the white PS5 logo box on the spine of Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart is slightly shorter than all the other PS5 games I own 😫 where’s the quality control Sony? 🤪
If PlayStation had a Game Pass equivalent service right now, I might consider signing up (because Sony exclusives are leaps and bounds more interesting to me than Xbox offerings). But Game Pass on Xbox doesn’t appeal to me at all.
I’ve tried having two consoles (PS4/XB1) last gen but I barely have time to play all the games I want to on one console, let alone two.
I feel this is a publisher issue and nothing to do with Sony,deals must be made for ps plus games and money handed over,so maybe those deals only included the ps5 version or vice versa ,maybe the publisher wasn't willing to offer both,probably the biggest and best game of the year is available in a couple of weeks I kinda don't care if planet coaster is on ps4 or ps5 🙄
@tehKAMI like what ?
@elvisfan1 I usually don't think about PS Plus at all, but I think that if I didn't have a PS5 I'd do exactly what your friend did - Just keep adding them to my library until I get my hands on the console, then I'd have loads to play when the time comes.
People need to stop comparing ps plus to game pass if your gonna compare use games with gold ,they get ori ,hyper drifter and a couple of 360 games.
@Korgon yeah it kinda bugs me that push square a playstation fan site, make article after article when they feel the ps plus offerings are sub standard ,its been like this since it started,some months you get great games some months not so much ,at least its not games with gold its consistently crap every month.
@StonyKL I have never had an Xbox and that's also the reason why I feel pooped and a little regretful every time I intend to exchange ps5 for XSX .
@Lincolnwho ive got a one x and a ps5 ,I use game pass yes but the good games are few and far between ,its mainly crappy indie games I download ,play for 5 min then delete,honestly I've started using it as a demo machine ,where if I like a game and there's a ps5 version I'll buy it on playstation,its seems its moan moan moan from playstation owners at the minute ,jesus,horizons out in a couple of weeks you think people would be excited you won't find it on game pass either 😏 ,they are on other sites I suppose just not this one,
@vapidwolf1 Nickel and diming us for every "next-gen" release, increasing the price of games even further in the EU, subpar games on PS+ and of course the thing that's discussed in this very article.
@vapidwolf1 yep if we take a step back we have got some good gaming months ahead of us , games pass is a cheap all you can eat buffet from my experience- playstation offers a fine dining experience - I’m happy with the status quo and if anyone wants a series s they are frightfully affordable right now but so far I’ve been happy with ps5 - hell I spend more time on my ps3 than is healthy considering it’s 2 gens old at this point
I think the case is being dramatized here. That xbox game pass is not something small to compete. Back in 2013, whatever ms did was attacked and now ps. And some love creating noise.
@TBQL95 Seriously the Series X is an excellent machine and Game Pass has its merits but I personally wouldn't swap a PS5 for it because this year alone I'd miss out on HFW, GT7 and potentially GOW2. I also still want to play DS and Returnal. If this isn't your thing then you've nothing to regret. Unfortunately I didn't like Halo Infinite enough to play more than a few hours, Forza I lasted an hour and Flight Simulator I played once.
Basically go where your favourite games are as the machines are both 10/10 for me but they're paper weights without games to play on them.
@get2sammyb Unfortunately there’s so many little issues with PSN that affect the user experience. PSN has always been a little janky, I remember the PS3 store haha.
One of the things that annoys me is that you can’t switch your country of your PSN account. I moved from Ireland to the UK years back and all my trophies and PS plus stuff are tied to my Irish account, so I have to use dodgy key sites to purchase PS plus or PSN credit so I don’t get locked out of my PSN. I then use separate account solely to purchase my games in the UK.
It might sound trivial but it’s those little bits of friction that annoy me the most haha.
Most annoying one to me recently was mortal shell on PS plus. It usually has a free upgrade, but the PS4 version given away wasn't eligible. Like, c'mon man... it's so stingy.
Sony acting like they have no competition and it’s just insane to me. I really don’t think Sony has THAT kind of brand loyalty where they can just shed the platform agnostic players who just want their latest yearly titles at the best price and most convenient. Nintendo can play those kinds of games but I just don’t think Sony can maintain that long term. Don’t get me wrong, Sony are riding REALLY high from a very strong market position in the previous gen, and it’ll take a long time to see the full effects. But there is slow and steady/incremental damage happening here, anyone who’s been paying attention will know this. It just seems like Jim Ryan is legit asleep at the wheel sometimes. As a big industry nerd, very interesting to see it play out, at least.
@tameshiyaku I've sort of gone off the big budget cinematic Sony games recently, but the strong ties to 3rd party JP developers you mentioned is a big selling point for me. Need mah weeb games
It is one of the reasons I'm thinking of cancelling my PS Now sub, due to not being able to upgrade to the PS5 versions most of the time. Will wait until we see what Project Spartacus before deciding though.
@nessisonett
Agreed! We currently have the return of PS3 launch era arrogant Sony. They are going to screw things up for themselves again. It's like every generation these companies go from being on the top, to being on the bottom, and vice versa.
@commentlife
Well, Sony was riding high at the end of the PS2 era, and look what happened with the PS3. History repeats itself.
We can only hope Sony realizes this before its too late.
I switched from the 360 to the PS4, I have no problem going from the PS4 to the Series X.
In my personal opinion, if there are cross-gen options for a game, and the game goes available on PS Plus, all versions should automatically be available. I'm not sure why it has to be this complicated. I'm sure there are reasons, but honestly, they should just make it happen. All they're doing is inviting scrutiny and discontent.
Can PS4 users add PS5 monthly games to their library?
While it doesn't fix the issue being discussed, it would be ridiculous for Sony to not allow this
@art_of_the_kill jim ryan is terrible ; i would use my hashtag “fire ryan” like i used to here but i think moderators delete it .
ever since he took charge he radically took away things & just coasted off what others did for the brand . i can’t stand him .
@Narcissus92 I know you can add PS plus games to your library using the webstore I always do that if I haven’t got Sony’s newest platform.
@nomither6 Sony is making more money than ever. I know that you really wanted games like GOW to remain exclusive, but in the long run there are better business strategies.
@Narcissus92 you can through a web browser or more easily on the app but its not advertised anywhere. They probarbly dont want ps4 users building a ps5 library.
@Bismarck i couldn’t care less about exclusives being multi-plat , i actually encourage it and that reboot GOW is my least favorite GOW game so i double couldn’t care less.
jokes on you
You are guaranteed 1 PS5 game and 2 PS4 games a month. How freaking hard is that for you people to understand! People weren’t constantly complaining when we were getting 2 PS3 games and 1 PS4 game but people did not yet own a PS4. Go on the PS phone app or PSstore on computer and add it to your library, so when you do get a PS5 you have it. HOW GODDAMN HARD IS THAT TO DO!!!
Man, people in the gaming community do nothing but whine these days. I will say, besides online play Microsoft’s second biggest contribution to the industry has been turning gamers and gaming media in to cheap whiny bi**hes!
@JJ2 @thefourfoldroot @Neverwild @Martijn87 @BritneyfR_ee Thanks for the replies everyone, I was very lucky to get a PS5 at launch. The only way i knew to do a work around was to do it on a friends PS5. Each of your helpful replies may help another PS5 user. It also helped a old dog learn a new trick to better inform others.
You get two games a month for PS4, and one for PS5. That's what you pay for when you sign up. Simple as that.
I suppose everyone is forgetting that they had a free upgrade path to FF7R that was given away on PS+?
And they gave away Oddworld SoulStorm day one for the PS5 version?
People here are way overreacting. Complaining over what is a bonus to an online play paywall. And then saying "they're pushing me away from their platform?"
The entitlement of gamers never ceases to amaze me. Stop paying for PS+ then, because what you're paying for isn't the games, it's the online play.
Which by the way was Microsoft who started that for everyone saying "they're pushing me to Xbox."
@Shredderlovespizza I'm a bit broke right now, but I'm hoping to snag a Series S by July of this year. I know that a lot of games will probably run at 30fps on it, but for me that's quite acceptable considering how well priced it is.
@nessisonett Asterix? That's because Sony has a lot of Gaul!
(Sorry!) 😜
I completely agree, however - they just don't seem to know how to handle the whole cross-gen thing at all this time round.
@tehKAMI don't buy games from the ps store then ,I haven't paid more than 50 quid for any ps5 release,so what about the great ps plus games that have been released in the last few months including 5 psvr releases in one month ,they released a great console with a superb innovative pad,psvr 2 is just around the corner ,and they have a slew of superb 1st party games waiting to be released ,good grief gaming is an expensive hobby, if you can't afford it maybe take up bird watching or something.
@Lincolnwho exactly ,people don't half get on my tiddies 😂
Does anyone know a good website where I can get lots of PlayStation news without constant nitpicking and complaining? Like, where they get interested in and talk about games instead of random UI and service topics?
I've tried to be patient with Push Square but it's just gotten to be too much.
@themightyant
Hi man I read a few comments and I have no idea why some PS+ ‘controversy’ got people talking about so many different topics but from your comment ‘ I have more faith in Microsoft to make my games playable’ I’d just like to say it depends if you like all digital or favour retail discs. There’s no way one would say trusting Ms to make retail discs games playable with all their DRM and anti consumers supposed retail ‘new gen’ games that are not on the disc.
😅
I get the appeal for people who love everything digital online though. 🤷🏼♂️
@JJ2 There's pro's and cons. No system is perfect.
I'm not a fan of not having the retail version on the disc, this is one of the downsides of "smart" delivery. I agree that's not great at all.
But I AM a fan of the fact I can put some OG Xbox, Xbox 360 & Xbox One discs into my Series X and play those games. It's not just digital.
I also LOVE the backwards compatibility upgrades they have added like FPS Boost (60 and 120fps games), X-enhanced (upgrading visuals to 4K) and HDR Boost (adding HDR to some non-HDR games)
Honestly this has been my second favourite next gen feature so far after fast loading times. Going back and playing classics like Dishonored, Prey and Skyrim at 60fps has been a joy.
I guess my point was that I have more faith in Microsoft to keep making my library available to me, both disc and digital, and make those games better in future. Microsoft have definitely been more pro-consumer in the last few years and this is an area Sony is currently behind on.
@themightyant
Ok cool if your think that way. I have had absolutely no problem playing my PS4 games on on PS5 and often with enhancements I obviously I didn’t have on my OG PS4. In my opinion deceiving consumers on what’s on new release retail discs is unacceptable and a good friend of mine plays his games straight from disc without internet.
@JJ2 PS4 games play fine on PS5. Though unless there has been a patch, or there is DRS, there are no enhancement to anything but load times. Even then the PS4 games can only access low level functions of the PS5 so can't make the most of the hardware and load times only slightly improve. It's a shame, it can be so much more. It's also a shame there is not PS1, PS2 or PS3 backwards compatibility.
I have both consoles, I don't prefer one system, or company, over the other. These are just my honest opinions as someone who has both and can clearly see in what areas one is ahead and one is behind.
PS5 is better in some ways. I much prefer the UI, DualSense, Store and a few other features but pretending PS5 is better at everything just isn't helpful or constructive. Expect better.
@StonyKL I like forza horizon spent a a good few hours with it ,halo infinite isn't very good in my opinion, same old same old ,at the moment the xbox suffers from what it always has ,and thats top tier quality games you can't play anywhere else ,this may change in the future god knows they got the studios ,but Sony won't just sit there and let them take the market share ,playstation is too valuable to them ,people need to calm down
@vapidwolf1 I don't buy games from the PS Store as I mainly buy physical copies. Maybe it's different in other countries, but where I live, new PS5 games cost 70-80€ depending on the publisher and that second price hike to 80€ was initiated by Sony.
Them releasing a great console and accessories doesn't automatically give 'em a pass on every other ***** decision they come up with in the future.
It's not even a matter of affordability, it's simply the matter of getting your money's worth and some of us feel like we're not getting that from Sony at the moment, which is why we're voicing our displeasure.
@KippDynamite
Some websites I enjoy reading for strictly gaming news with minimal “controversy articles” are www.twinfinite.net, www.psu.com and www.thesixthaxis.com.
@themightyant
I have to disagree though. From OGps4 to PS5 makes a big difference with PS4 pro enhancement used to the real performance they were supposed to and a few PS5 auto enhancement as well. It obviously depends on the games but I heard FPS boost isn’t perfect either even downgrading graphics.
My large tv screen is what I enjoy most with PS5 doing it justice compared to last gen.
@tehKAMI why should I care how much games are in other countries ? Do you care how much the ps5 is in say Brazil? I can pick up a copy of horizon forbidden west for 51.95 i have no issues with that price its the same price more or less as a physical copy of halo infinite or forza horizon 5 ,so I dont get why Sony is getting all the flack ,if youre unhappy with the ps plus games don't subscribe,it was well documented that the ps5 games would be more expensive ,so why buy an expensive console if youre gonna moan about more expensive games,its like buying a porsche and complaining its more expensive to run than a Ford fiesta.
@KundaliniRising333 maybe, maybe not. We are giving blame without knowing all the facts. One of the reasons I hate internet articles.
Overcooked:all you can eat was on PS plus only included the PS5 version.
I don’t gameshare. I don’t like to because it messes up my cloud saves. Even though I have 3 PS4 and one PS5 I always leave a certain one active all the time.
I digress, those who do gameshare can play their PS5 copy with their PS4 copy with a friend or family member. Especially that this game is way better with people. Vs and coop.
Also in the subject of PS Now, they may not have the hardware right now to support PS5 games because the little they have are being used to make consoles.
@vapidwolf1 ROFL. Right now with very little next gen games. Like medium and returnal. It is a luxury.
If there were no chip shortage and 50 million had their hands on one and there’s not enough next gen only games I would’ve been peeved. I know a lot of games got delayed so they can concentrate on a last gen port of a game that was supposed to be a next gen only game. I understand why they needed to do that.
@Squanch they sure are whining a lot.
@vapidwolf1 the publisher square decide to give us that FFVII UPGRADE a few months later.
Do the math Sony. How many more gamers are rocking a PS4 console, either by choice or because they can't find a PS5? Ten times the amount? Don't screw them over.
@ecin of course you understand ,because you sound normal,unfortunately the Internet, no the world,is full of people who are far from normal.
@ecin exactly ,like I've said months ago its down to the individual publisher ,unless Sony hands over a big wad of cash ps plus games will obviously affect sales.
@themightyant yeah thats great and all but I can't help but think that microsoft concentrated on the implementation of those features to make up for the fact that they literally had no games for their consoles, i mean they had to do something because they was doing sod all else ,thats obviously gonna change in future,maybe 😂
@KippDynamite psu is good they report on a lot of gaming news that push square leave out, they're also quicker
@Squanch
Cheers! I have looked at 6th axis for maybe ten years. They're good (especially Tuffcub) but miss a lot of news.
I'll check out the other ones!
@vapidwolf1
Thanks! I'll check it out.
@vapidwolf1 I agree that was probably their reasoning. But Sony have been quiet for a while now. Last big first party release was Ratchet & Clank 2/3 of a year ago in June 2021. We've got Horizon then GT7 coming up but then another big gap.
Remember when they announced both new consoles and Microsoft explained "Smart Delivery" as basically being buying a game on any platform you get it on the latest and greatest too, usually with upgrades and enhancements. I, like most people, thought "why wouldn't you do that?" Then the Sony said that's exactly what they would not do. They made things awful and it continues to this day. I play the same games on my XSX, my son's Model X, and my daughter's OG XBONE. I just log in on a console and my library works on it. Game saves follow you too. You can play game pass on a phone or tablet. Don't even need a console. Just a controller and high speed internet.
@Emperor_Rusty you're right about the scalpers, any time I look at big online retailers theres pages and PAGES of 3rd party ps5's for sale at anywhere from 650. (rarely) to 1200. This is also why it looks like PS5 is selling so well. There are likely hundred of thousands if not a million+ hoarded ps5's out there meant to be scalped. Even some of the big sites are raising their f price. I saw some at Costco for 750 and I don't think it was third party. The series x situation isn't nearly as bad but they get scalped too. Aholes are starting to hoard and price gouge series x 2tb ssd's now, normally 399 asking 550 and it's why you can't find them anywhere. I can't stand these pricks but I hate the dumb f's that pay them even more.
I'm honestly not trying to start any console war *****.....but......MS/Xbox is so vastly superior now in almost every way especially feature wise and pro consumerism. Games is arguable, ps still has great exclusives but it's not enough especially with the massive catalog Xbox will be releasing in the coming years. It's not enough for Sony to just copy Xbox ideas, i.e. achievements, backwards compatibility, gamepass etc... They need to take some risks and stop depending on their exclusives and 1st party devs to pull all the weight. There's no denying playstation was much better last gen, but you also can't deny Xbox has made huge moves and if people are honest they're way ahead as far as the direction the industry is moving and they're literally paving the way while Sony lags miles behind following their path.
@feral1975 I say your about half right there. They are stopping PS now in a round about sort of way. And since PS plus has more subs they are trying to knock it down as much as possible to counter any losses from their new service if they ever get around to it, they been talking and leaking info for over two years. So even though Plus and Now never really was all that much( and also Game pass either) Sony wants to keep from having to give 12 months to current pluscand now subs for their new one if its going to be tiered and cost more.
@FreqMode well said bud, totally agree
Agreed hopefully the rumored PS Game Pass solves this issue.
@KippDynamite Sony saved few bucks here. Now all they have to do is save another $400 billion more and maybe the Disney board might actually answer their call instead of laughing and prank calling Sony back.
@FreqMode Nah, it's all about the games for me and there is nothing Xbox has that I want to play.
Maybe in a few years time but right now, no interest in them whatsoever.
I'll enjoy it whilst it lasts, one day MS will have bought the industry and I'll have no choice but to give in lol.
Also with Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade, the PS+ version wasnt eligible for an upgrade... Until it was, half a year (or more?) later, so now I'm even put off from bitterly buying secondhand copies for these things.
Just another frustration (on an unfortunately large pile) with this generational transition.
Oohhh man this why I brought an Xbox series x this gen as well and have been playing it flat out
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@redcorpuscle Well toodle-oo, off you go, you shan't be missed!
@themightyant ill wager we will see gameplay of wolverine and spiderman 2 gameplay before the end of the year, to get those exclusive juices flowing 😂
@vapidwolf1 Oh i'm sure! I just find it interesting at the moment that PS almost has 6 months on 6 months off at the moment and so does Xbox. Pandemic and WFH not helping and dates being pushed back industry wide leading to unbalanced release cadences. It does give indies and third parties a chance to shine!
Still there's more than enough to play. Games could stop being made for a few years and I still wouldn't master my backlog
I think that for some time now, human beings are very ungrateful for what they have
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What a pleasant person. I never understand why people seem to feel the need to announce that they're leaving and kick up a stink. If people don't like the site they're perfectly free to just stop visiting, and leave the rest of us to it.
Considering my medical status, that there was, intentionally or not, wishing for my death. Such a lovely person, wonder why I won't miss them?
@theheadofabroom because it hurts their pride. Therefore, they need to yell to the world their pain.
@Rural-Bandit
It was a joke.
I don't think there's a publisher getting acquired besides Ubisoft. They're not doing ok. I think Apple (since it's rumored to be making a console) might grab them.
Everyone else is doing fine.
If MS can't do well with 38 studios, they can't do well with 100 of them. I'm getting tired of talking about acquisitions. I want to see games.
I could say it would a shame other than Sony to buy Capcom. I think MS would force them to make GaaS and they're bad at that. People not realizing that Japanese publishers wouldn't do well with Gamepass.
I'm not talking about features and controllers with you again, lol.
@Rural-Bandit I'm ok, I come across worse on Twitter. I'm mostly just bemused.
Like, I frequently see you posting stuff I disagree with on here, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual, but so far it seems like we each have enough class not to get personal and toxic about something which is fundamentally just a hobby 🤷. The same goes for most of the community here, which is why it's somewhere I'm willing to hang out.
@Rural-Bandit Don't care about services. Just games.
Yeah. Sony just needs AAA multiplayer games and help Bend, Media Molecule, Housemarque, Firesprite, Asobi and Bluepoint reach the level of the better studios sony has (sales and quality wise).
They might need to consider acquiring that Deviation, Haven and Firewalk studios if their multiplayer games are looking good.
and don't buy Lucid or Illfonic for gods sake lol.
Yeah. Apple can only trick mobile gamers.
@Rural-Bandit I think I'm on the acceptance stage of grief lol.
@Rural-Bandit Eh, my health problems are chronic, i.e unlikely to go anywhere any time soon, but I appreciate the sentiment. Happy gaming!
@Rural-Bandit
I just have an issue with the popular multiplayer games on CONSOLE. They seem to be too simplistic for casuals to enjoy.
It needs to be easy to pick up and that may not be for me. I love titanfall2, but I think it was too complicated for casuals to grab on.
I'm only playing siege atm because it's not a brain dead shoot em up like Halo and Cod are. Yeah I didn't like Halo Infinite (my brother let me played it). I like gears because it's more tactical mechanically.
It's why I'm worried about tlou 2 factions. They might "casualize" it. It might sell 20m and everyone plays it, but I won't enjoy it in return.
The thing with Socom. It looks too grounded and that limits imagination with it. If they make something like siege or rogue company with it, I might like it. Resistance or Killzone gives more freedom for imagination and gameplay loops. Maybe sony will make only new Ips. Idk.
Oh for sure. Sony just needs to do what they did with SP, with MP. Give us something that is not trying to overly hurt our wallets and something that looks next gen (horizon graphics). A premium looking multiplayer like back on the day.
To be honest... it doesn't matter if you don't have a ps5 then you can get the ps5 copy kinda a novel concept if you want a ps5 BUY ONE. I jave had mine since launch and have picked up approaching 30 for various friends, family or clan.mates. they are not that hard to get. For maybe 2 months they were pretty bad but at this point we're you can get them in store or online it's pretty easy now. At least in the USA. Can't speak for other countries.
@Rural-Bandit Idk man. Halo is too basic and brain dead for me. It's still mostly reflexes with a higher TTK. I like it when there are vehicles on them but I think most people play the COD modes. It's just me man.
Titanfall 3 won't happen. Respawn is making 3 star wars games (Fallen Order sold 20m).
@Rural-Bandit I didn't like Ratchet that much. Demon Souls and Returnal have been the best ps5 exclusives so far for me. Miles was pretty good, but I found 2018 one better.
Idk what to expect from Twisted Metal. David Jaffe doesn't even know what to do with it.
I will get GT7 since I skipped GT sports. My last one was GT5.
Yeah I don't like crossgen games when it comes to exclusives. Looking at ps4 pro gameplay from horizon, I don't see the big jump to ps5. Gow and GT7 will be the same case. If they look as good as Demon Souls Remake, I'll be happy. I don't think we'll see a big jump with graphics anyways. I'm still super hyped for both GOW and HFW tho.
I'm actually thinking PS6 will be mostly cross gen games. I think AI is the last thing to impress people with.
@Rural-Bandit Nope. It's good sony makes games for kids too but I personally don't care about it.
Yeah. I understood. I agree
Sony fans ripped on Xbox's Smart Delivery idea. Well now you know why it was a brilliant idea.
No reason what so ever why Sony can't do the same thing. They just seemingly don't want to?
@RevGaming Baby steps. They start with Marvel before working their way up
@TBQL95 why just get xbox have both worlds
@S1ayeR74 sony been doing cross buy idea since ps3 not every game though
@Falkirk4life i want both but my wife will kill me if i get xbox after she bought ps5 to me =)).
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