Horizon Forbidden West PS5, PS4 Graphics Modes Analysed by Digital Foundry

Yeeeeaah, this is going to be the hardest choice to make in the game, lol

60 fps mode all day every day

I’m playing Zero Dawn on PS5 and I’m gonna say it wow. I did start playing it on PS4 then carried it over to my PS5, but the increase in quality from the PS4 is incredible but that’s not to say it isn’t gorgeous on PS4. So this game is gonna be awesome whichever console you play. Well done Guerrilla. Now then gaming studios this is how to make a game with a sequel.

I always play games in Resolution mode, so 30 FPS is no issue for me.

I wonder if they will add a performance RT mode of some sort later on? 30fps burns my eyes since before the Dreamcast, but maybe something like 40 or 50 would help.

@Indoorhero when you have the next gen console (Sony or Microsoft) you do don’t you. I have Sky TV Glass and unless sky release any updates in the near future (opening up to 120 fps) my tv is locked at 60 fps.

I've been using performance mode wherever it's been available because it just feels so much smoother. Will have a go with both modes but probably end up going with performance anyway.

"30FPS mode recommended on PS5"

No thx lol, I'll take 60fps always over graphics

This is sure to trigger all the 60fps people. I'll take the better graphics thank you.

I'll be playing with those sweet 60 frames per second thankyou very much.

I maybe try Resolution mode out for a while. But performance mode is the way to go.

I’ll go with the experts recommendation. If I want better fps I can play again on my pc in 3 years time or whenever it’s ported over eventually.

I've always been perfectly happy with a (steady) 30FPS, but ever since I got a PS5, I have admittedly played everything with the performance setting on. I'm sure I'll try the Resolution one for this too, but unless my eyes can see a drastic difference in the fidelity, it's gonna be 60FPS the whole way.

The performance and image quality are insanely impressive on PS4.

Aw the water!! impressive stuff..this game is untouched by anything right now..some reflections and the overall quality make the ray tracing narrative look silly and overhyped. As a sidenote it's really akward when you realise that the base ps4 can do better than most XSS games.

I can't see myself playing at 30 lol. Don't get me wrong I can do 30 if there's no choice but if 60 is an option that's where I'll always go. I'll live if that tree over there only has 6 branches instead of 10.

I was kind of planning to start on resolution mode and then go with performance mode on new game +. I did the same thing with Ratchet and Clank and I really think I got the full experience that way.

Performance over fidelity every time. I'd rather game at 8bit stable over 4k unstable.

Still don’t have a PS5 so if I pick this up I’ll be playing at 30fps 1800p on my Pro.

F*** the 60fps, inject those visuals directly into my eyes!
I'll save the 60fps for a second playthrough!

The bottom line here, we shouldn't have to be making the choice with a cross Gen game. Sony under powered the console likely to push a pro version in another years
or two.

The fact that we need even choose between the best showing of a game visually or framerates that have been the standard for a decade on pc is absurd, considering this next Gen console hardware is new and yet still miles behind mid to high range pc setups.

Performance mode >>>> resolution mode. Every single time. DF is wrong.

@Enuo I'll probably do the same (might switch for post-game content if there aren't any new impressive locations to discover)

It’s 2022. 30fps ought to be extinct by now.

@get2sammyb if it's difficult to go back to after experiencing 60fps, it sounds like you're recommending the wrong option

In all seriousness though, I'm curious as to what the actual difference is between performance and "resolution mode".

Is that all there is to it - resolution (i.e. 4K)? If that's the case, my TV is only 1080p anyway so any kind of 4K mode is wasted on me, unless you're also getting ray tracing or something similar for your reduced frame rate

@danlk1ng I haven't watched the DF video yet but apparently it's also the quality of shadows and reflections, possibly other things too. I know John specifically mentioned he liked the 30fps version because of the anti-aliasing technique used in it.
There isn't any ray tracing though.

The game is a looker for sure, but until I'll get a 4K tv, I'll stick with performance mode, can't look worse in it right?

Honestly the details gained from resolution mode are negligible to me; the FEEL of the game (remember, this is a game, not a film) at 60fps is just unrivalled; buttery smooth and responsive controls means I can take on these robot dinos at harder difficulties with less stress.

Also it's at 1800p which is fine with me.

It looks freaking awesome! But kinda disappointed that it's not 60fps from the get go.

I love DF videos, but I'm not watching this one because I want to play day one spoiler free.
Resolution mode for me please, didn't have a problem on HZD with it so I prefer better graphics.

I'll be honest, after having buttery smooth 60 fps blasted onto my eyes from Death Stranding Director's Cut, it'll be tough to play this at 30 fps, even with the enhanced fidelity.

Edit: Okay, now that I had some free time I watched DF's video and I may actually play it in Visual mode. I don't like how jagged edges look and how muddy things look in the distance.

@AgentGuapo DF has always favored 60fps modes in games. What are you talking about?

On my older TV I might have tried 30 fps. But on an OLED 30 can be really tough at times due to the super fast pixel response. Will most likely go for 60

Definitely 60fps once I get a PS5.

It’s always funny people complaining there’s a choice. Unless some exception like Spider-Man it’s always good to have the choice to favour resolution or framerate. Isn’t that what PC gamers have had for ages?
Point is everyone is different and has different set up. Maybe just pretend you only have the one choice you like if it’s annoying that others may have different preference 🤷🏼‍♂️
🙄

Native 4K resolution mode, please.

My AV receiver will upscale this into 60Hz and with HDR - anyway.
I’m almost tempted to use the projector, and not bother with the tv at all. I don’t play games on the projector screen, though.

I think this might really set a new benchmark for picture quality

@PlayStationGamer3919 no but 1800p which is very very solid for an open world game with 60 fps and these visuals.
I would have expected only 1440p - which would have been ok, too.

I’m pretty sure they will improve those minor stutters in cutscenes with upcoming patches.

@Matthewnh upscale it with HDR? The game has HDR itself.
It might work regarding the framerate but you will have additional input lag with this kind of upscaling from your AVR.

@dschons so true. 30 fps on an lcd is „ok“ but on an OLED the 30 fps really hurting.

Resolution for me, as long as i avoid performance mode and tasting that 60fps i shell be fine as games like this i want to see at their visually best.

@Reeneman I think most oleds will double the frame rate to 60 no matter what..I have an LG oled and it's always on 60fps with motion smoothing off..

@KundaliniRising333 Find a $500 PC what could get this game at 4K 60fps because you won't. Comments like yours reek of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, also watch the video as the difference between PS4 and PS5 is big it seems.

This game should be fascinating to watch & study, because it should accurately reveal what each Playstation system can do. When we see the difference between Pro & PS5, will people say 'I need Next-Gen' or will they say 'I can wait'.

@GamerDad66 as a ps5 owner, trust me when I say, y'all can wait. Especially with hfw, gow rag, gt and others are releasing on the ps4 still. The "exclusives" are a remake(DeS), a sequel(r&c) and a niche game(returnal), and if you're not interested in either, definitely no point.

Easy choice. Performance mode, hands down. I probably won’t even try the quality mode when I get around to play it.

The fact that there's such a dramatic game changing (apparently resolution mode makes it next gen) drop off in visuals, details, etc from 30fps to 60fps that you have to recommend 30fps is concerning. I'll assume the PS5 can do better and it's just the dead weight that is the PS4 holding it back.

@zebric21 ah no. You probably mix up refresh rate (hz) of a tv with the framerate from the game itself.
The tv is running with 60 hz (sometimes 120 hz if supported by the tv, console and game) but the framerate of the game itself is something different. The tv can not boost the framerate.
You could activate some motion smoothness in the tv settings what makes the 30 fps feels a bit smoother, but it will increase the input lag.

No 40 fps mode?

@Reeneman Yeah i meant the same thing..the game is still 30 frames but the tv makes it a bit smoother.

@Juanalf you can not have it all. You have a performance budget and the devs trying to utilise it in the best way they can.
Sure the game was hold back slightly due to its cross gen development, but nevertheless a 60 fps mode especially in such a detailed and large open world game will always come with some loose in details and quality.
I think they made a great job here and the best what you can do is: Try it at home at your setup and decide which mode you prefer. There is no tech Analyse video that can make this decision for you.

@Roqka I mostly try out the resolution modes for fun… always with the same result. Slightly sharper but the game itself just feels better in motion and response with 60 fps. Especially the benefit in sharpness are gone while playing because of the low framerate and strange motion while moving the camera.
Small downgrades in details are mostly not visible during regular gameplay.
Tested it out so far on Ps5 with Miles Morales, Rift Apart, Uncharted, Guardians, Maneater, … always with the same result for me personally.

@PlayStationGamer3919 this won’t be possible. Then you have to wait for a Ps5 Pro or even a Ps6.
Don’t get me wrong, I love good graphics but to stick so much on these numbers are always a bit unnecessary. You will have a fantastic gaming experience with the 60 Fps mode on the Ps5, small downgrades in resolution won’t be visible on a regular sized tv.
If you have an 77 inch 4K tv or a very high class projector this might be a different story, but on a 55 or 65 inch tv the difference won’t be huge, especially with standard viewing distance to the tv.

If you've watched Digital Foundry over the last year, they've made a compelling case for an 40fps mode on 120hz screens (such as on Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart). I personally played Rift Apart on that mode and found it to be a great middle ground between graphical fidelity and performance. Shame that Guerilla hasn't implemented that here.

I'm so happy to hear base PS4 has a solid 30fps at 1080p.

I’ll be playing Performance mode.

But I do think I’ll give resolution mode a try at some point.

One thing I’d like to see from developers is to render the game at 60FPS but utilize 30 FPS high resolution for cutscenes. I’d love to see more of that. I actually like a lower framerate in cinematics; gives it a movie feel.

@Medic_Alert

That’s what I noticed. I was a little worried that performance mode would use lower geometric detail but according to the video both modes main settings are virtually identical. The only things you gain with resolution mode are 2160P native, better AA, and slightly higher shadow resolution.

I will gladly sacrifice all of that for 60fps.

The game is drop dead beautiful. I’m really impressed with the PS4 version though. It looks fantastic and if I didn’t have a PS5 I would gladly play that version. Even with the 30fps cap.

@Reeneman Spot on, mate. I feel the exact same way. I switch on resolution mode “damn *****’s pretty” and then I start moving around, “…yeah hell no, back to performance mode”.

@Roqka Same here. I'll admit that 60fps does actually make a difference. 4k really doesn't.

Went with Spider-man, Ratchet full performance mode.

@BRT15 the point is: Would they have enough headroom to have a stable 40 fps?
If they would have to decrease res or details then it most likely the effort won’t make sense because the difference to the 60 Fps performance mode wouldn’t be so huge.

And I’m supposed to resist that?! Looks incredible. Holy hell I’m only a minute in

@Roqka
That's what I did when I played Forza Horizon 5 on XSX. Quality mode looks magnificent, but the game felt sluggish at 4K/30. There's just no coming back from 60fps goodness once you've tried it. Same will be true for HFW.

@gollumb82

Agreed.

The only genre where I’m willing to sacrifice framerate for resolution are slow moving turn based RPGs.

In that situation, 60fps doesn’t really improve the game all that much.

@KundaliniRising333

There’s a lot wrong with this post.

Game development is always a choice. Developers have to make certain calls while developing their games. And unlike PC where hardware is scalable, that’s not possible on console.

These consoles are plenty powerful. Both the PS5 and Series X hover between a 2070 Super and a 2080Ti in terms of raw compute. It’s hard to compare them though since consoles are integrated systems with development dedicated to once hardware specification. In that situation, developers can do some amazing things optimizing the hardware.

I mean look at Horizon 2 on base PS4. The GPU on a base ps4 is somewhere around a GTX 700 series GPU. It’s CPU, the underpowered Jaguar, is weaker in terms of raw power than the PS3’s Cell was. Yet look at what Guerrilla was able to achieve through careful use of the hardware combined with 8 years of working with its architecture.

@PlayStationGamer3919 Never going to happen.

Can we expect a mid gen refresh of the ps5 to play games at 4k 60fps or will that come next gen

I've just had so many problems with new games on my base PS4 over the last three years or so that there's no way I'm going to risk a lousy experience with this one. I'll wait until I get a PS5, no matter how long it takes. I don't think I'm even going to watch any videos. I want it all to be fresh whenever that happens.

@Tsushima A lot of these games can run at 4k/60, but you will have to sacrifice textures, effects and detail.

If you're going to go resolution mode make sure you stick with it and pretend performance mode doesn't exist because the moment you switch to 60 it's going to be difficult to unsee how much faster and smoother it is. I did it with Jedi fallen order and couldn't enjoy it in resolution mode anymore, felt like it was actually chugging.

I'll be playing on my PS4 pro so won't have to make the decision between performance & quality

@RubyCarbuncle you know the new Pokémon game runs at 30 FPS right ?

@WallyWest i agree 100% and its always funny how when the pc brigade turn up and sprout this tosh when challenged to show a £500 pc capable of running games at the same level of detail,resoultion and frame rate of a ps5 they cant..because it aint possible for that money..

How anyone can even consider playing at 30fps in 2022 baffles me really. Doesn't matter how flash it looks, it's still gonna feel like you've wound back fourteen years and are playing on a PS3. The fact that you're having to make these tradeoffs after barely a year of a generation, shows what a mug's game buying a console is in this era...

@PlayStationGamer3919 At this point I just wait for the PS6 to play the games at 4k 60.

The VRR PS5 update will not come soon enough

@thebizniznizbiz so i take it you dont have a console then? If you dont then WTF are you doing trolling a consoles comments section for? Jog on...

@RubyCarbuncle so you can play at 30fps then , you also said it strains your eyes ? But playing on the smaller switch screen doesn't ?

And this is why I'll be patiently waiting for a PS5 Pro to play this gem at 4k @60hz

I got a pc last black Friday with a monitor that has a refresh rate of 240. All I have to say to this post is there's just no FREAKEN way I'm gaming anymore at 30fps. Every game I play on my pc im getting over 100fps. 30fps is just sluggish as hell to me

All you dudes talking about graphics and I'm sitting here grinding kills in Far Cry 2 with a SCART rather than a HDMI cable. I am lost in time.

@Northern_munkey I've got a PS5 you nit, was just commenting on how foolish we all are to get sucked into the marketing ploys of a new gen. Also, jog on???😂
No wonder you're happy to play at 30 frames, clearly you're still residing in 1998.

Let's see Sony standardize Insomniac's Performance RT mode. It's very good and my go-to setting.

@thebizniznizbiz sorry but i'm a 60fps man..30fps is just 😭...i'm jogging on.

@PlayStationGamer3919 last gen consoles holding next gen back. I bought my PS5 on the back of 4K 60fps being the standard.

I had 4K 30fps on my XBOX ONE X!

@dschons 30 FPS is fine on my oled. Why woudnt you want the best quality picture?? Defeats the purpose of having an oled lol

@Reeneman no lol. Idiots stunting the full 4k experuence

@TheRedComet word

@bremkat35 due to the pixel response time in OLEDs, 30 fps creates judder due to the abscence of motion blur which TVs with slower pixel response time naturally have. This isn't a "on my OLED" thing, you maybe just don't care. For me, it's too jarring at 30 fps on my OLED while it's mostly fine on my older LED.

Sony shot themselves in the foot just a little bit advertising 4k@60 as somehow being the norm the PS5 would perform at. It simply defies the laws of physics. I’ll gladly play this one at 30fps because it’s more of a visual, narrative experience that isn’t going to test my reflexes in the way a Returnal or Demon’s Souls will. Perfectly playable for this kind of game.

I hate this generation already. I thought we could finally have games meant to be played at 60fps rather than this nasty "you can have it look the way we intended, or have it perform the way we intended, your choice." Ugh! Just design the thing to run at 60fps, or even 45.....why make us choose between visuals or smooth performance. If I wanted to do that I'd still play PC.

@dschons It's not just OLEDs. I have an IPS but with very fast response (for an IPS) and 30fps has the nastiest judder in fast action, it looks like the picture oscilates back and forth.

@commentlife IDK, I greatly appreciate the 60fps patch for HzD. I can't imagine HFW being any less enjoyable with smooth motion. Those dinobots move fast.

@munstre a gap between expectation and reality exists with the ps5, you even addressed it in your comment. This is because the system was heavily touted as being capable of more than it is during the marketing lead up to its release. Maybe they’re careful now, but they weren’t in their marketing campaign for the system. It even says 8k at 120fps on the box, which is absolutely daft.

@NEStalgia Never said it can only be found in OLEDs pretty much any display with fast pixel response. I just happen to have an OLED.

After playing Horizon Zero Dawn at 60 FPS on the PS5, I'm not sure I'll be able to follow his recommendation and play it in Resolution Mode. That combined with the fact that it still likely looks really good at checkerboarded 1800p. Sony's 1st party developers did an excellent job with checkerboarding on the PS4 Pro, so I would expect the same on the PS5.

With that said, I will try it in Resolution Mode first to see how it feels and then go from there. I'm predicting I will end up playing it in Performance Mode, but we'll see. I actually didn't mind Miles Morales at 30 FPS.

@munstre Zero change or innovation comes from making excuses for Sony or any corporate enterprise for that matter, including EU and US governments.

GL with that

@munstre I mostly agree with everything you are saying, but to suggest that Sony didn’t have at least a hand in producing these unrealistic expectations is a stretch.

@munstre You are absolutely correct. Some people simply don't understand the 3 basics in game programming: There are three factors: Resolution, Frame-Rate and Picture Quality. If one reaches the maximum of the hardware possibilities, one or two of the others have to be lowered.
Even the NES back in the 80s had a lot of 60FPS games but the resolution and the picture quality was poor. So if a game wants to show you the absolute maximum picture quality even a 3000€ gaming PC might not run it in 60FPS or 4k. But on PC not the developer decides, the user does. Because every PC is different. Some users go for 20FPS with super picture quality, others want 120FPS with very poor picture quality. On consoles the developer has to decide (or gives 2-3 options like performance mode).
But I can't stand if somebody says "the console cannot run the game in 60FPS". Of course it can. But if the developers doesn't give you the choice it's their fault, not the consoles.
And for the price of the system, the hardware is crazy capable in my opinion.

@Sanctanox so true. It’s a shame that there are still so many discussion about it. At the end we have to accept most likely that a lot a gamers still don’t understand these technical basics.
Otherwise who can blame them when consoles were announced with 4K/60 super duper whatever…

@KundaliniRising333 No matter the hardware. You're gonna always have yo choice between graphics and performance.

@KundaliniRising333 Show me the $500 PC build (I'm even throwing in the controller) that can perform as well as a PS5. I'll wait.

...until 2025 or later, probably. At which point the PS5 will be discounted.

@RobN The thing about PCs being expensive is that there are millions of People who can afford them. You get access to 99% of all games ever made, 99% of all software ever made, mods, choice when it comes to controllers, easy 80+hz with the help of freesync in just about every game etc.. It's worth it.

I have seen 3 reviews and DF got me excited to see how the PS5 will make it work.

Same old song that just won't go away... XX@30fps for quality or XX@60fps for performance?
How about implementing the damned FidelityFX that the PS5 actually supports, so we can finally enjoy 4k@60FPS Quality mode?
I've tried 4k@30fps in Demon's Souls Remake and the latest Uncharted Lost Legacy for PS5... the 30fps ruin the hell out of the experience, no matter how much better the graphics look...

Man....I don't which to pick.

I used to be always Res mode, for everything.. but I used 60fps in one game and now my eyes are all Jank on 30fps. Haha, I'll try the 30 first and see how I get on.

@Reeneman yeah definitely. I don't quite remember the numbers from DF's analysis on Rift Apart, I just remember the resolution drop was miniscule compared to the 30fps mode and personally for me the image quality looked 1:1. It was a really good mode to have.

I dont have a 4k tv, so i'll stick with the 60fps mode i think

Hahahahaha no. I'll stick with 60 FPS, thankyouverymuch. This is the new gen experience, not the amount of details at 30 FPS with useless native 4k.

P.S. YouTube compression is the worst among major video hosting services. It is also the only major video hosting which does not support HEVC compression, which is de facto standard for hardware support.

@elvisfan1 You'll have to make screenshots and then later compare them pixel by pixel to see those increased details. Or, you just an eagle-eyed person with somewhat high tolerance for frame jitter.

Option 3: wait for the PC version and play at 4k/60 fps

I will be playing the game on my PS5 and have a 120hz capable LG TV (not sure if that is relevant to my question, but I mention it just in case), but have little to no understanding of what the different FPS would actually mean in practice. Does it essentially mean that the game would look better at 30fps, but run more smoothly at 60fps? Is the difference in performance particularly noticeable between the two?

@Fiendish-Beaver The difference between 60FPS and 30FPS is crucial. In games like Horizon you see it immediately if you move the camera with your right stick. It is very smooth. If you are ok with 30FPS then NEVER play it with 60FPS as you cannot go back - in platformers it is even more important as the whole jumping is much more fluent and feels natural.

Thank you for the response, @Sanctanox. Will the graphics be significantly worse at 60fps than at 30fps?

If you have a 4K HDR TV it's hard to turn it off for higher frame rates for me. The visuals pull me into the immersion of the game so much more. But hey, we all get to try both modes and get to pick what we each think is best for yourself. Win win!

I don't have a dog in this fight, because I haven't upgraded. But it's kind of disappointing that the PS5 seems like PS4 Super Pro. You still have to chose between Performance and Quality, but the image quality and FPS are higher overall. Usually we're not talking about the need for compromises a full year after Next-Gen. I wonder if we'll eventually get a PS5 Pro that can slam 4K 60 all day...

@Fiendish-Beaver That is exactly what the video from this article is about, have a look and judge for yourself. The difference is not that big, it will very much depend on how close you stick to the screen.
Since you have an LG TV, I'm guessing it'll not be too close.
I have one too, btw, a 48" LG CX that supports 4k@120FPS. I use it as a monitor for PC and as a screen for the PS5.
While gaming with a gamepad I'm sitting at 1 meter from it, and it's ok. But I see every little detail on the screen at this distance.
If I move to 2m, the little details fade, and the graphical differences between Performance and Quality modes i.e. become far less noticeable (tested in Demon's Souls Remake and Uncharted Last Legacy Remastered on the PS5).
Anyway, try both modes for yourself and see how you like them.
For myself I prefer sitting a bit away from the screen and using the Performance mode with 60FPS... the smoothness and fluidity it offers over 30FPS makes a world of difference while playing.

I honestly don't mind 30fps for games like this. I can get much more involved in the world and the story the better it looks and I paid a hell of a lot of money for an incredible TV so that it does look good, so I'm happy with resolution. No doubt, if I play through it a second time it'll be done in performance

@Luigia those games that had 4k30 on the one x were made for the xbox one, a console that is much weaker than even base ps4, you won't be playing 4k30 anywhere soon with games made for series x and ps5

@Shinnok789 DLSS or Fidelity FX is not native, it's much worse than native, and look the ps5 will never run next gen games at 4k60 anytime soon and ray tracing games will run at 1080p-1440p 30 fps but that's by cutting down the raytracing quality. for these games you need a 3090 to play the games at 4k60 with ray tracing and doubt even the ps5 pro will be able to match its performance, so just suck it up and since you're a playstation gamer, you've always been playing at low resolutions at 30fps

@munstre new gen games will never run at 4k60 even on ps6 simply because if the ps6 might run demon's souls at 4k60, the ps6 exclusive will have much better graphics and it will run 4k30 like demon's souls is with the ps5, dying light 2 will not even run at 4k60 with ray tracing on the ps6 as not even a 3090 ti can run the game at that setting, this change is noticed on the pc side more and more, as they were laughing at console 'peasants' for playing games at 1080p30 or lower when they were playing at 4k60, well that was because those games were made to run on the weak og xbox, now that games are made for a much more powerful hardware, pc requirements have gone through the roof and dying light 2, cyberpunk 2077 and watch dogs legion are prime examples of this

@Northern_munkey you can't find a ps5 at msrp nor can you find a gpu at msrp so nobody can do a comparaison

@zebric21 Sony is masters of games, the xbox side of games now makes me laugh, even infamous first light is better graphically than their games. We'll see what they will produce with their studios but if that is until the end of the generation it will be funny

@RubyCarbuncle a nintendo fan complaining about fps and resolution? go play your games at 720p 25 fps for first party and for third party at lower settings than the lowest settings on pc with your ¨impossible ports¨

@Ralizah the game will always look good even on base ps4 but if you compare them not on a youtube video but on 2 tvs there is a big difference

@jrt87 it's 1800p low settings, i don't get how this is never mentioned, it's not only the resolution that is cut back it's also the settings, i can't imagine they can run the game at double the framerate just by setting the resolution at 1800p instead of 4k

@Tsushima it depends on the game, most games will run at 4k60 when the ps5 pro comes around

@OthmaneAD eh? When we get the pc elitists harping on about how their rigs that cost almost 3 times the cost of a ps5 (£450-uk) can play games better than a ps5 (4k@60fps upwards with all the bells and whistles) there is a point being made that it is and should be a possibility at that price point but when you get the mealey mouthed monsters clambering out of the basement they occupy to sprout off about how they can and sometimes say they have built a gaming rig for around the same price that it costs to purchase a ps5 (not build a ps5) that can run the same games better than a ps5 thats when i have to FLMAO...thats what i am comparing.So yes there is a point as to what you pointed out but you missed the point i was making again for the umpteenth time..

@RubyCarbuncle not sure exactly what point this guys making either? I'm guessing he isnt into the switch though..or any consoles for that matter as he just compares everything to a pc..

@Sanctanox @munstre probably the 2 best comments i've read about all this in any posts thats ever mentioned exactly what the ps5 can and cant achieve..there is hope..

Ultimately it comes down to how playable it is at 30FPS. I tried the new Uncharted 4 remaster in fidelity mode, and while you're stationary, yeah it looks amazing, but soon as you start panning the camera, I found it unplayable. Weird, as I never had an issue with the earlier games.

Hopefully, Sony will finally sort out the VRR update and this game will get a middle ground setting; improved resolution at 40-50 FPS 🤞

Thank you, @Shinnok789, for the really detailed answer. I have a 75" TV, and sit about 3 meters from it (as it is my main TV). From what you say, 60fps seems the way to go, and I really appreciate your input with making this decision. Thank you...

@OthmaneAD Of course FidelityFX is not native 4k@60fps, but the resulting image is close to it, only very minor reductions in quality. It would look much better than Performance mode does, and it would run at 60FPS just like Performance mode does.
I can play Far Cry 6 with FidelityFX set to Ultra, and God Of War PC with DLSS set to Quality, both at 4k at minimum 60fps - all with an RTX 2080 Super...That's the difference FidelityFX and DLSS can make if they are implemented. That's what they can pull off with the PS5.
As for Ray Tracing, I don't really care much for it, since God of War PC for example, set to Ultra/High and HDR enabled quality looks absolutely amazing without it.
If Sony can pull off a Quality Mode with 4K@60fps using FidelityFX and no RT I'm all for it.

Me still playing on a 1080p TV
I'll stick with performance thanks.

Poor choice for people with 120hz displays, given this is a Sony first party game.

The 120@40FPS mode in Ratchet and Clank is a game changer. Having your cake AND eating it.

I was dubious that it would be as DF said when they reviewed it, but having played the game in that mode from start to finish, it was almost imperceptible to the 60hz@60FPS mode, imho, but looked miles better.

I'm playing it now on a ps5 and lg c1 55" and resolution mode is awful just like dying light 2. I am tired of this next gen rubbish the ps5 and series x are trash there is nothing next gen about them. It's either play in 60fps at 1080p etc or play in 4k at 30fps and watch the screen jitter as your TV tries to run at 60hz colours get brighter when moving unless in performance mode. Using performance mode makes paying £1500 for a TV pointless. A ps5 is supposed to have a gpu similar to a rtx 2070 the 2070 can play 60hz 4k with no issues. They need to stop making games for the ps4 and actually make games for the ps5 only so it actually makes it worth buying one. I try to enjoy all circles of gaming I have a pc with a suprim 3080ti amd a 5950x a series x a ps5 and a switch and the new consoles are really making it hard to enjoy these days with this trade off between frame rates and graphics. A new gen console should be impressive and not offering me a trade off.

@Northern_munkey 3 times ? My gpu is a msi suprim 3080ti it cost £1700 on its own and my cpu a Ryzen 9 5950x was £750 I have 3 1tb firecuda 530s too at £180 each. My asus thor 850w psu was about £220 my motherboard is a aorus master x570 at £300 and my case is a 7000D at about £240 with a asus lc 2 360 AIO cooler at £200 and 11 fans at £20 each. A £1350 would be nothing to sing about. You can get a prebuild with a 2060 for about £1000 and you're good for 1080p with that lol!

@Mariosmaster1 i was trying to stay conservative in my pricing as when you state the prices you just have "those" people start to sniff blood in the air and come out to play so for the sake of keeping everybody safe i deliberatly down played the cost of having the infinatly,gob smackingly,awesomly unbelievabley superior gaming pc's to play our meagre,eye bleedingly low frame rate,low res game offerings on...(there is a touch of sarcasm in my comment that some will take literally)..everybody stay safe in those winds outside..

@gollumb82

Yeah same here mate. I played FH5 performance mode for hours, switched to the other mode and it was terrible. Almost felt like something was wrong with the game, so went back to performance mode almost immediately. This was on Samsung Neo TV.

@Northern_munkey Sorry I was on a rant last night I have a ps5 and I use it on a lg c1 55" and since dying light 2 and horizon zero dawn forbidden west I have felt cheated lol. I'm angry I have a oled that I'm forced to play in 1080p-1800p because if I pick "quality mode" it looks like I have cataracts and makes my nice oled look like it's from 1995. Sorry if I came across obnoxious I was up till about 5am raging about it 😆.

@Mariosmaster1 no need to apologise..actually nice to have a pc gamer acknowledge that its not possible to build a gaming rig that performs on a equal footing as a ps5 for £500..enjoy your weekend..

Like I have been saying ever since release, ps5 is underpowered and we already need a pro version.
They should have just made it a touch more expensive and given us 6800xt GPUs in there to begin with.
I can't play it on 30fps its just way too janky, especially for a action game like this. Performance mode is fine, just looks like a PS4 pro game though really.

@Mariosmaster1 a 2070 can't play 4k 60 on even the old horizon, and most other modern games unless it was using dlss and turned down to performance mode and even then it would struggle. I used to have a rtx 2070 super(slightly more powerful than the ps5 GPU) and that was a 1440p card, 4k was never really playable unless you started turning things down to medium and ran dlss.
This is the problem, the ps5 is Underpowered. I have being saying it since the start and all I get is fan Bois get upset about it, but now with the last few games we start to see people starting to actually realise they can't still game in 4k and starting to realise the ps5 and series X are both underpowered.
I have a 3070 on my rig and even that has trouble with 4k on most games and barely maintains 60fps. They need to drop a pro version and have the new rdna 3 GPU in it that is at least twice as powerful as what they have now in the ps5. That will then finally allow 4k60.
In any case this game isn't that bad in performance mode in terms of what's on screen, but it does look very blurry on a 4k tv especially in the scenes with lots of foliage.

@Denni5m I was talking about the super and it can run 4k at 60 hz sure you dial stuff back but it can still do it better than the ps5. Maybe I'm comparing it to my pc too much and expecting too much from my ps5. My pc has a 3080ti suprim a Ryzen 9 5950x 64gb 3600 ram on a x570 aorus master mobo with 3 530 firecuda ssds. Obviously that is generations above a Console and even the ps6 probably won't come close to that. It's still annoys me though as I literally bought a c1 55" to compliment my ps5 and all I seem to do is switch to a lower resolution to play in 60 fps. I should if just kept my bravia lol.

There's a significant increase in the visuals with graphics mode(and they're gorgeous) but it strains my eyes big time when in motion so I've been playing it in performance mode. This is the first game that this has happened with.

@Dagstar Yeahs it's bad hey, the game is pretty much unplayable on the 30fps mode on my monitor. Not sure if it's because of the speed of my screen or something but it's just really bad, there is no way I could play that.