GTA 5 PS5 Price Is Just $10 Until 14th June

Smart when a lot of people dont have a access to a PS5.

Not fussed about campaign, it was massively overrated imo.

Happy to take GTA Online for free on PS5

@Flaming_Kaiser 20mil PS5s and growing is alot!

@Flaming_Kaiser this just isn’t true. Check eBay and you’ll find thousands for £450-£500.

I’ve said it for ages, if people want a PS5, they’d get one.

So, if we get the single player component only does that insulate us from all Microtransaction and online bull? If so I might get it at some point. I was under the impression I’d be constantly “encouraged” into their online travesty.

“are beginning to going live in some parts of the word.“

Is GTA Online free only for 3 months as in even if you claim it during that period you still have to buy it if you want to play it after the free period?

Might finally be time to pull the trigger on GTAV. Never actually played it. I enjoy tooling around in GTA games, never actually finished one (being an agent of destruction and going around trashing the gaf is my jam) but the three-protagonists thing always put me off...I thought it was too different, you know? But a projected £9.99, for a PS5 native version? Now that is an offer I can't refuse.

Are the campaign and GTA Online being treated as separate games, with different trophy lists on PS5?

Milking the GTA5 cow one last time 🐄🐄

I'm tired of giving rock star money. After that sorry God awful “remake” this should be free

I haven't played GTA V since 2013 on the PS3 in glorious 720p/23-28fps, so OK to jump in again for a tenner.

I don't mind paying 10 or 15 quid for the single player.

So, am I right in saying that all PS5 owners can claim GTA Online for free, even without a PS Plus subscription? Obviously, I won’t be able to play it, but it’d be nice to claim. Especially as I bought the full PS4 game at release. Either way, I’ll be upgrading the campaign to the PS5 version.

Also, out of interest, @get2sammyb, will you guys be reviewing the new gen release like you did with Cyberpunk 2077?

I don't know if there will ever be a game drought in the future where I'd consider firing up gta5 again. But if I don't fork out £10 for it now, will be kicking myself when it's full price. Damn you rockstar.

@The_Pixel_King you'll likely need a ps+ subscription to claim it in the first place

@get2sammyb Great news. Cheers, Sammy!

Okay not bad I wanted it to be between $5-10 (if not free) so this falls into that range. I'm also happy the single player and online are separate entities, now I can pretend GTA online doesn't exist while I wait for 6.

So these prices are what were seen on the Xbox store in Australia right @get2sammyb? Just trying to understand if the pricing will be the same on both consoles (except for the online portion being free on PS5). I have the original version on Xbox so would want to buy it there. Only interested in the Story mode.

@get2sammyb
It was more a question about whether, like some games, getting only the single player but not the online element gets you bombarded with “reminders” to visit the shop and buy it, or informed about sales on it etc.

@WizzNL Ok thanks for the tip ill do that then is there no physical option though?

@Jacko11 I dont want to pay scalpers its that simple. I dont want to line the pockets of those ********

@get2sammyb on the Xbox aus store it's not showing a single player portion it's showing a GTA v story mode ( that includes the online ) or online on its own does the ps store show just the story without the online component ?

Hmm. This means i'll have to cancel my pre-order for the PS5 physical edition. There probably isn't some sort of samey incentive for the disc version, right?

@get2sammyb ok have you got a link it the story part of the game plz I can't find it?

The reason I ask is if the ls versions are the same as the Xbox one that would mean yes u get the online portion free with ps plus but if you want the single player story u would have to buy the story that includes the online anyway which seems like a rip off

@get2sammyb Is that confirmed about the Online, that if you claim it in the first three months you own it afterwards? I always assumed when they said "free for 3 months" that it's just that, free for three months and you'll need to buy it after that, kinda like those free weekends they do for some games but extended.

@Martsmall gta online launches separately on March 15th and is free for ps5 users for 1st free to keep for 1st 3 months basically its a bonus ps plus game as for xbox wil launch same day just gotta pay for it though probably be added to game pass in a year

@DrClayman basically a ps plus game aslong as u collect it within the 3 months yours for eva

@get2sammyb Nice, thanks! I actually didn't expect that, or not been paying enough attention.

@get2sammyb hi I've been to that link but if u read it it says it includes the story and online so I am right even with free online for 3 months if you want the story mode ( that comes with online ) u still pay for both

@get2sammyb https://twitter.com/Ditto2046/status/1500827035299549184?t=x0tDjmtkLzLc8DKHSEYcaQ&s=19

@Falkirk4life yeh I know matey,u will get the online part of it for free bit if you want the story I get the online included anyway with story mode so basically it getting the online part for free but if you want the story mode u have to pay for the online part of it that's included with the story mode

@Flaming_Kaiser paying £450 or maybe £10 more is hardly lining the pockets 😂

You want a PS5, you pay the price its that simple.

There’s a huge difference between consoles being unavailable and you not wanting to pay for one.

For me, its a simple “what is your time worth” scenario. And an extra £50 at most should be more than enough for the amount you’ll use the console

£10 for an enhanced campaign is actually not Terrible. I was literally expecting this to be 39.99 again. If.. the things they have added look decent and the graphical side of things look good and run well, I may drop a tenner on it. I don't care for the online stuff, so this is actually good for me.

I’ll bite on the single player upgrade. For $10 I might as well because I’ll NEVER pay the full price after it goes up.
I had a hard time getting into GTA5 because of how big the game is and not remembering where things are and what the controls are and even really being attached to anything to stick with it.
However, if the loads times are improved and it’s $10 for that alone I’ll bite.
I’ll never spend more than that though! It’s not worth it to me given that I might lose interest again at any given moment.

@Jacko11 I just checked EBay and the last 3 Disc Drive versions sold were for

1. £600
2. £599
3. 605.24 (shipping from USA)

The last 3 Digital Version sold were for:

1. £490
2. 499.99
3. 489.95

So at least £150 mark-up on Disc Version and £120 on Digital

Why the hell can't they just release gtav the game without online ? It like having to buy the whole trilogy because u only want vice city all over again

I’ll wait for the ps6 version

GTA V had the only campaign I actually cared about, even though the story structure of every rockstar game goes: "yo dawg, I got this thing you gotta do for me." "No way you crazy mother****, you're going to get us all killed" "c'mon man, I implore you reconsider", "... okay"

@Jacko11 not paying a scalper off of principle alone. I'll skip the generation if I must.

I said Rockstar weren't getting anymore from me for this one but a tenner... I'm buying if it's that. And you know what, I'll probably even prioritise it over my backlog and complete it again.

Damn Rockstar!

It's a great game but 3 generations on consoles now are people not sick of it.
Looking forward to GTA 6.

@uptownsoul yeh the story mode includes the online but thankfully it's cheaper because the ps plus free online ,thank you I knew online was Included and was hoping they just did a story mode without online

@ChrisDeku just filter by lowest and buy now and they are £500-£520.

Check FB marketplace as well and they’re £460-£500.

So no.

@NomNom do it then, your loss

@Jacko11 found the scalper.

Don't have a ps5 🤷‍♂️ a PS4 pro patch would've been nice though

@Jacko11 You must be using a different ebay.

@Angelus3K The way I interpret it is if you claim it then it will remain in your collection.

The PlayStation Blog article says "GTA Online will be available to download and keep for free,* an exclusive offer for PlayStation 5 players."

@Jacko11 i get what you are saying but most people have principles they live by..he obviously dosnt want to pay more than the rrp so should he compromise his principles and buy one over the odds? How much is a mans conviction worth? I myself wont pay £70 for a video game no matter how great it is..

@Northern_munkey also not seen a single PS5 game priced at £70. So i’m not sure where your principle for that comes from either.

PS5 games have been £50-£60. Most even less when PS4 version with free upgrades can be made

If it is £9.99 on PS5 I take it this’ll be for the digital version. Any news on if there’ll be a physical copy and if this will also be cheap? ( I was planning on trading in my PS4 version)😉

But that's for the upgrade tho, I lost my PS4 copy so I won't get the discounted price I will have to pay in full, not that I have a ps5 anyways, bit cheeky and scummy on Rockstar side to pressure people to buy more sooner!

Whats the deal with the upgrade from the ps4 version?

@Jacko11 yeah i'm aware that most games you can get cheaper if you shop around online etc,etc..but demons souls was £69.99 when it was released..returnal £69.99...ratchet and clank...should i go on?

@Would_you_kindly same deal man, it doesn't matter what they price I can't play it anyways lol by the time I ever get a ps5 this will be in the flash sales or used at cex quite quickly anyways

10 euro, very doable. Most likely will jump on the train.

@Jacko11 I don’t think you understand how eBay works. You must be looking at prices for unfinished auctions, they obviously don’t sell at that price.

Filter by sold and you’ll see the price is about £600 for a disc version and £500 for a digital.

So yes.

@huyi it's a shame because most games I don't really notice frame rate but GTA 5 would've definitely benefited from a boost on the pro I think their reasoning for not doing a pro patch was that it wouldn't be fair online for people on the standard PS4 if the game ran better on the pro but the ps5 version is going to be crossplay with PS4 so PS5 players will have an advantage

@Jacko11 gt 7 is £70 for ps5 & there's no free upgrade

@Jacko11 the cheapest possible digital edition 459.98, collection only from Essex. £90 Mark-up

Cheapest collection only disc drive version starts at about £100 mark-up.

So still not seeing anything close to what your claiming. Even checked used copies and they’re similar prices.

It's been 5 or 6 years, I'd willing to pay $10 to play through the campaign again with (okay, slightly upgraded graphics) and better performance ...

I still fail to see why I wouldn't just play the PS4 version. This isn't as big a jump as PS3-PS4 was.

@Northern_munkey shop around online. You literally said it yourself. I don’t think I need to continue

@ChrisDeku if you literally search PlayStation 5 Disc Console, sort by Lowest to Highest and set for Buy It Now you’ll see exactly what i’m saying all along.

I don’t think you understand eBay

@ChrisDeku clearly haven’t checked eBay or FB Marketplace

@Jacko11 oh i do mate i was just showing you that ps5 games do indeed cost £70 depending on the publisher..

@glassmusic i agree..my wife bagged me one from argos a year ago..she also bagged another 2 for my friends who were struggling to find one..both from argos again..if you really want one they are fairly easy to find..

@glassmusic THANK YOU! Finally someone with sense on this page

I’ve purchased 4. One in May for myself, 2 at Christmas for friends and one last month for a friends BF.

Its so not difficult but people make it seem so incredibly hard and complicated

I'll give it a miss this Gen and wait for the PS6 version

Anyone paying any amount of money for this as a pre order are absolutely insane. This release is nearly exactly mirroring how they went about releasing the prior remasters. Showing literally nothing but a few screenshots. Not to mention you are paying for likely minor improvements to a ps3 era game.

@Jacko11 I wont give them a penny more its that simple.

The same people you see complaining about the 10-15 dollar upgrade are the same people that probably spent that on their lunch break at their job lol

I’m one of the few that have never played gta5. £10 is a good price, but Elden ring and final fantasy origins will likely have me booked up for the year. I started cyberpunk just before Elden ring too. Spoilt for choice.

Sweet, at that price it'd be rude not to. What a game and we'll worth buying for the 3rd console by the sounds of it

@Would_you_kindly they are not focusing on that, they are pushing the shark cards and online, that is their aim and focus

@Would_you_kindly you are better playing on the pc anyways with mods, you not missing anything!

@Flaming_Kaiser excalty, it's the principal! Thier greed is uncharted right now and have been caught out on it, they don't give a crap about single player, they only care about shark cards and how much money they can make on multiple platforms!

Well that's a relief. Will preorder it actually. Could be much worst. ...lets say like The world ends with you final remix on Switch. Cost $49 for a port of a 15 year old DS game.

@ChrisDeku @Flaming_Kaiser I wouldn't worry about it. There's just quite simply a shortage in the face of high demand. There's no fact based counter-narrative to that. Just none. So no need to argue with the non-believers.

Ya know what I bought it. Under a tenner is a bargain. Definitely Rockstar trying to make amends tho lol

In at that price

Pre ordered it can't complain at that bargain price and I'm just interested to see how it will look on ps5, also the duelsense features sound pretty cool

I can't even find it on the UK store at the moment. Not on the app or through my PS5, even when my GTA 5 disc is loaded. I'll try again later...

Oh, it's under pre-orders. Where else?! Silly me. 🤦‍♂️

You want me to buy this a 3rd time? What is this Skyrim? What is this resident evil 4? What is this funny third thing?

At 8.75 i'm game.

Downloading as we speak. I'm just bit annoyed that it's same massive 86gb on PS5. Means the size didn't increase from fully updated PS4 version. I don't know if it's because I'm downloading both GTA online and story, because you are given the option to download either.

Sigh
Ok really dragging my feet into this one. Never felt any interest in GTA with characters I just feel… absolutely nothing about.
Is the story actually interesting somehow?

@Jacko11 just looked on eBay - yes, there are lots of PS5s selling for £450-£500 (and below). Pretty much all of the ones in the sub-500 price range have lots of bids on them (except for a few that are around £500, but for the digital version)

The conclusion isn't "people aren't trying to get PS5s" - clearly enough people are trying, that most of those PS5s are going to be sold. The conslusion is that people are clearly refusing to pay ripoff prices to scalpers, as there are barely any bids on those ones

At the end of the day though, lots of folks just don't want to get their PS5 from some middle man on ebay who pretends "I'm A lEgItImAtE bUsInEsS"

@JJ2 interesting, im not sure mate.. It's the usual type of "heist" story. All about money, in general its a pretty ok story, bit like Red Dead. Better on the sequences than the general story itself, but some missions are very good fun.

@zupertramp I know i maybe annoying but not everyone wants jump through hoops for a chance to get a console or pay scalpers a premium to get one. Or even pay a little extra ill just wait untill they lose money on it.

@danlk1ng Thank you thats my point im refuse to pay premium or want scalpers to make money of it.

@JeffMetal85 me neither

@Jacko11 I just checked eBay and, I did in fact find one for £520. It wants me to collect in person and bring cash....

The cheapest to be delivered is £550.

I think you are the one failing to do the ebaying properly, you literally have several people telling you "no", and there's only you saying you can get one for £520.

Not that that matters when buying for anything more than £450 and second hand is just dumb as rocks.

@danlk1ng you’ve said literally nothing new that I haven’t already made clear is wrong above.

Good day.

@Richnj everyday new ones go up. I check last night to confirm what I was writing here.

Check FB for the same deals and often better. Again you’ve said nothing new that hasn’t already been checked above.

Good day.

Hey, that's cheap. I think I'm gonna buy the single player campaign at that price 😃

Edit: Wow it's true it's only $10, nice, definitely getting this.

I went for it, for £8.75. I've never actually finished the game on PS4, so happy to upgrade and get the most out of it. I never paid full price for it anyway (was a couple of years late to the PS4 party) so I don't feel too hard done by.

Still can't work out the structure though. Is this £8.75 just for story mode? I have no interest in GTA online so, happy for it to be the case.

Very clever from Rockstar - at a price nobody predicted, classed as 'cheap' for most people, they'll be a pretty big uptake and they can make even more money from a game released in 2013. Yes, absolutely I'll grab this cheap upgrade!

@Jacko11 "everyday new ones go up. I check last night to confirm what I was writing here."

Oh, so I just have to be constantly checking ebay in order to have the privilage of paying an extra £70 to a scalper?. Dude, your logic is infallible.

Don't you find it a bit funny that apparently only you can find these "better" deals? I'm just adding to the evidence that you were talking BS. If I had found one for the price you claimed I would have backed you up.

I can’t find it on the store at all, only the PS4 game.

So is the price for the upgrade or the PS5 version of the game probably me being a bit dumb but its not very clear from the story and comments.

@Richnj sure they are hard to find but it’s not impossible. If you wanted one you would get one.

At $10 I might just become "part of the problem" (the last GTA I ever played was 3)

@bindiana I don't think there's an upgrade at all. It's $10 for everyone on PS5 for 3 months (then it goes up to $40).

@Boucho11 Apparently it only appears on the console store on PS5 right now.

@Voltan ah ok. I was looking on the app.

@Voltan
Thanks was just a lot of mention of upgrade in story and comments .But if its for the PS5 version I will most likely bite at that price as never played it and have a bit of a drought coming up games wise but really need to reduce the backlog as well!!

Best yet you get both GTA V online & Story for £8.75, just Pre-Ordered now.

Just to note, if you still have your PS4 disc, you can sell it to CEX in the UK for £9. Technically you won't pay for this upgrade.

@Jacko11 "made clear" is a massive overstatement. You've given an answer to every comment, doesn't mean you're right.

Just because you can buy a PS5 from some scalper (or some scalper who failed to sell it at massive profit and just wants to get rid of it at this point) doesn't mean you have to. It's perfectly reasonable to want to buy a new PS5 from an actual business, and get an actual warranty rather than just get one from some muppet who's decided "I know, I'll buy something at retail and sell it at a markup. I'm a business!"

Just out of curiosity I checked ebay, looked for PS5's with a "buy it now" price (I was looking at auctions too before, hence why I was seeing PS5 Disc versions at around £450, as the auction wasn't finished yet)

Yes, there are quite a lot in the £450-£500 range. These are all, without fail, the DIGITAL EDITION. The first disc version pops into the list at £520, and then we're back to digital PS5s again. All of the PS5s you can get for £500 on ebay are being sold for nearly a £150 markup. A lot of people want a PS5, but they're not so desperate as to hand over that kind of money to some wannabe Del Boy - no matter how many things you "make clear" lol

For the record I have a PS5, managed to get one at launch from an actual retailer. It's doable, just a matter of patience, persistence and good luck. Scalpers can all do one, they serve no useful purpose whatsoever other than for you to "make things clear"

Cool. Is there a link for us? I can't find on the UK store just yet

@CrushALL I'm stoked knowing the campaign upgrade is dirt cheap. GTA online is a lot of fun but the load times are atrocious (even on my PS5's SSD). I hope to God this next gen update alleviates the load times, the game looks great updated! Definitely excited

@Boucho11 The overall point isn't that they are impossible to find, but that normalising paying over RRP for what amounts to second hand, meaning you are paying more money for less protections on that massively expensive item you just bought, makes zero sense from a consumer standpoint.

When people are making a hobby out of keeping on eye on products being sold over open market places, just to get a "good" deal of £70 over RRP, no warranty, and they are praising it, something has gone very wrong.

@JamesOliver_ I believe it's only on the console store at the moment.

@Boucho11 "you just have to be on the ball to grab one. I’ve helped 3 people get them"

And this seems normal to you?

8.75 for single player il definitely buy it for 4k 60 fps not interested in the online.

@Richnj unfortunately nothing is normal at the moment, shortages on quite a lot of things due to the world. Even cars have a backlog and are difficult to get... I find the stock alerts seemed to help me, there's one on telegram that pops up.

@get2sammyb No doubting the screenshots on twitter,but oddly enough there's no sign of GTA V PS5 via PC Web browser PSN store!🤔 (Down Under user). Not visible under "Coming soon" or PS5 upgrade menu icons,& a search of Grabd Theft Auto only shows the ps4 GTA V variants,shark cards & PS4/5 GTA "Definitive edition trilogy" remasters!
Would be strange if it was solely available via ps5 when normally one can redeem ps5 content (eg PS Plus),via the web store!

Just pre-ordered, at 8.75 i'm perfectly happy to get it again especially as it sounds like a good remaster

@Gloamin Same 4k 60 fps worth it

People moan about why isn't there a GTA 6....then they hand over yet more cash for this three generation old ass game.

Wait, I'm unclear whether the 8.75 is to own both the single player and online? If so that's OK with me. If its for single player only then not so great.

@RubyCarbuncle I would totally agree with this, however, they have announced the next GTA now so the worry is over. Therefore 180’ing because of the price isn’t too much of a bad thing.

I'll be triple dipping.

@Flaming_Kaiser No don't worry, you're not annoying. In fact I completely agree with you. I got one from Best Buy, a reputable retailer in the US, and it was a pain getting it. And really the only way I was able to get it was some membership loophole.

But there was no way I was paying a penny over to Sleazy Joe's Scalping Inc. or whatever. So no worries. We're on the same page.

@shadow2k Same here. Never played a GTA have somehow, but for $10 it's worth a shot.

@Richnj lol, this! You just have to follow stock alerts on Twitter and maybe another app or two. Brush up on what days every retailer typically does restocks, based on history. Be ready to drop everything you're doing (talking to your physician, running heavy machinery, picking up your kids... everything) when an alert hits. Open up the storefront on a phone, a laptop, and maybe a spare computer and get ready to deal with all kinds of verification pages whilst tapping/clicking at the speed of Barry Allen trying to get that MF in your cart AND actually checkout while it's still in there (but it probably won't be because a million other people are doing the exact same thing you're doing). Also be ready to do this for maybe weeks or months at a time. Also maybe sign up for a membership at every major retailer. Oh, and I hope you like bundles.

Like, it's super easy.

@Flaming_Kaiser big up Kaiser, stand by your principles man. This fool had me checking ebay like a madman because I thought I could actually finally get my hands on one. Ebay ain't that big in here at all so I'm not surprised to see there's a big markup on em so yeah guess I'll have to wait still.

OT: terrific little bit of business by rockstar here, there's not a lot of people who won't be tempted to not pay that small amount for gta v lol.

Edit @DreamlandGem could've pushed that one out earlier, comment section has taken a nisedove already. But I've taken note!

@zupertramp I'm sayin' lol

@JeffMetal85 look for gta v then it let's you select the ps5 version. Just bought it and it let's you preload.

Can we assume from this next gen update that RDR2 would follow suit, that would be awesome.

@JeffMetal85
Same here, only PS4 version showing and that's 'not available'.

How do I get the GTA online for free?

@Snake_V5 Claim it in the store once it's available.

Do you need the PS4 disc for this upgrade?

@RubyCarbuncle yeah you typically see a fair bit of complaining when sales figures get released and GTAV is somehow always still cracking the top 10. A lot of "who is still buying this game?" but here we are with it's forthcoming release on yet another generation of consoles and there's a surprising number of people champing at the bit to buy this.

Does seem a bit odd but somehow there are still a few people who've never played this so I can understand them buying it. It's definitely gonna be disheartening seeing this hit Top 5 in PS5 sales in the coming weeks, I know that.

@Arkham24601 don't think so. it's just the price at launch for everyone.

@Cherip-the-Ripper And one other thing people forget is that if i import i have to pay import 21%. Then its even more expensive so NTY and i have so much backlog that i am i no hurry.

And i really hold no grudge against others for doing so. But if they release Legend of Dragoon im not sure i can keep it up. 🤔

@zupertramp Dont worry here in the Netherlands they sell them in packages with games i dont want it really sucks and its with lottery.... ☹️

So a $10 upgrade for a fancy version of a game from 2013 is generous, but a $10 difference between versions of a PlayStation first-party title is greedy? Sure.

I'll just stick with the PS4 version I won't have a ps5 by June 14th & the upgrade doesn't look that impressive to warrant another £35 purchase

So I went to pre purchase GTA 5 for PS5 after I went ahead and uploaded my PS4 save. PS5 version said in library and I never bought it. Went ahead and downloaded it to my console. Anybody else see this as well?

@JeffMetal85 yeah I've just checked only the PS4 version shows wouldn't surprise me if they make it so you can only claim it from the ps5 like they did with the ps plus collection games

@Richnj full warranty is honored by Sony always and the day if purchase and it's "proof" was locked in the moment it was bought by the scalper. So long as they give you the receipt you essentially ARE the original purchaser and have all options including returning available to you.

Yea it sucks to buy from some scalper but don't act like the systems are somehow "inferior" in terms of protections.

@Robocod you joke but I honestly wouldn't put it past Sony and Rockstar to do something like this to make sure they only ones able to take advantage of the deal are those that ACTUALLY have a ps5 in hand now.... Sony this gen has yet to not let me down when it comes to pricing.

@Bluetrain7 this $10 dollars gets you a full game without ANY strings attached nor any other prior purchase required.

. There's a HUGE difference here between this optional full game purchase and Sony literally making you pay extra to play YOUR new game purchase using the FULL power of the console you ALSO just gave them $400-500+ for....

Please don't even try to make like these two things are even remotely the same.

@KidBoruto of course Sony is pulling this stuff yet again! Making the ability to get "in" on the deal determined by if you've given them enough money ahead of time to deserve it.

The "tax" for being a Playstation player this generation is truly getting out of hand!

@Cybrshrk "So long as they give you the receipt"

Wouldn't this sentence alone be an admission that a receipt isn't guaranteed, and therefore inferior to buying from a registered business?

As I suspected you can only purchase it from a ps5 console so us PS4 users won't be able to claim GTA online unless you get a PS5 or have a way of accessing one 👎🏻

@Cybrshrk I'm not paying for ps plus when it's up for renewal screw them when their locking me out of claiming stuff that comes with the subscription because I can't find or afford their latest console

I feel like people who haven't got ps5s for retail msrp yet just don't want it enough to try hard enough. I've had one of each model for over a year now. (Multiple users in my house). Did I have to try really hard to get them? Yes, but I tried hard enough and I got the consoles. Patience, and vigilance and Twitter notifications is all you need.