Update: So, it appears there’ll be an aspect of lottery over which ROMs Sony use for its retro PS1 emulation on PS5 and PS4. While, as reported below, Ape Escape is using the PAL 50Hz version, other games like Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee, Toy Story 2, and Tekken 2 are using NTSC 60Hz. Your mileage may vary, then…
Original Story: After the disappointing launch of the PS Classic, which unfortunately used PAL 50Hz ROMs as opposed to the superior NTSC 60Hz versions, many had hoped that Sony wouldn’t repeat the same mistake. However, with Asia beginning to get its hands on the new tiers of PS Plus today, we’re beginning to learn a little more about the platform holder’s retro support. And unfortunately, when it comes to Ape Escape at least, it’s using the PAL release – in Indonesia at least.
Twitter user The_Marmolade captured the above comparison, noting the slower gameplay of Sony’s emulated version compared to their NTSC copy played on a CRT:
Of course, before we all lose our minds over this, it’s important to note that this has only been spotted for one game thus far – and while we appreciate the source material’s side-by-side, it’s not exactly scientific, is it? Of course, Sony has released the inferior PAL 50Hz ROMs before, so we can certainly envisage it doing the same again. Perhaps this comes down to some kind of licensing issue, rather than incompetence? Maybe those of you in America will get the better NTSC editions while the rest of us play like peasants...
All will, hopefully, be confirmed in the next month or so.
[source twitter.com]
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But why? It surely can’t be that difficult to use the NTSC versions?
@nessisonett Only thing I can think is they maybe have to be relicensed or rated again or something.
This is really a shame. Even Nintendo provides NTSC versions of N64 games to Europe, in addition to the original PAL versions.
@get2sammyb Or it’s easier to maintain, because PAL versions cover more languages. So you need only one ROM for the whole world, therefore only the half of effort to test the ROMs with the emulator.
@Max_the_German Indeed, it's a shame if this turns out to be the case. Like you say, Nintendo offers both versions, which is the best way of handling it really.
PAL and NTSC is a choice between 576i/50Hz or 480i/60Hz.
Going for the slight bump in resolution given how big people's TV's are these days is probably a safer bet.
well I expected it, since it was exactly the same on ps3 with the ps classics.
but there we go, now I know I will never sign up to this service. Thank you sony )
@Max_the_German
This makes sense
time to plug those keyboards into your PS4/5
@GADG3Tx87 I mean they upress the Games to 1080p anyway
Oh god please no, not like this
People with the power to make decisions work for PlayStation and know NOTHING about videogames or about what their customers want. These small inconveniences keep happening and it's the death of a thousand cuts.
Im sure everyone will be completely calm about this 😆
Oh! Now I see why nobody would play this, Jim!
LMAO Sony.
I was almost getting a tiny bit hyped about this all.
Current gen Sony never disappoints with their disappointments
@Gr8VngnzN4esAngr
Oh I'm about to reach the 1000th cut soon. Sony's been on a roll for a while. I've been a Sony pony for far loner, but they keep disappointing
You know what, I bet I'm not going to care when I play these games.
I don’t care as long as Small Soldiers for PS1 makes the cut someday. Also Mega-Man Legacy for PS1 NBA Streets for PS2 would be wild. Nostalgia man
God people will complain about anything
Maybe they will be the "correct" versions when they get released in other regions like the US and this is just for that region?
People complain about anything? The PS Classic got raked over the coals for having PAL versions. So yeah, it’s a legit complaint when you are paying extra money for a service to get inferior versions of games…especially when Sony knew better based on the past.
@Jacko11 We are getting the inferior versions of the games compared to the states and Japan, how is that a complaint ?
So I updated: basically some games are PAL and some games are NTSC. From what I can tell there's no rhyme or reason to it so far.
One of the biggest issues with PS Classic...
With the PS Classic, the issue wasn’t just that it used PAL roms running at 50hz, but it played them back at 60hz so you got frame skips (Digital Foundry explain it much better!). This made it a much jerkier experience than it should be. 50hz runs slower yes, but they can still run smoothly if output at 50hz.
So while it’s ridiculous they’re still using PAL roms in 2022, the bigger question is whether they’re running them at 50hz or 60hz. At least on the PS3 they ran at 50hz so it was a smoother experience.
Yes!! I've been sooooo hoping that we'd get the PAL version of Ape Escape. I absolutely love the UK voice acting in it. I know everyone else is complaining, but this is the superior version as far as I'm concerned. So happy with this!
I’ll just load up the games using my Xstation thanks. They can stick their 50Hz….
@GADG3Tx87 almost every Ps1 game is 240p tho regardless of which region it is. So the NTSC versions are definitely better.
I don't care even a little, to be honest. If I like the game and want to play it again, I'll do it regardless of the version.
This was one of my biggest fears with classic games, the Premium tier keeps looking worse, I think I’m going to stick to the Extra tier.
This is unfortunate, but hopefully there are more NTSC games than PAL!
@ArcadeHeroes well based on the dictionary definition, they are literally complaints 😂
@awp69 nice tag/direct reply…
@HammerKirby3
They were over SCART and S-Video but we're using HDMI and that can't carry 240p so they will be using 480/576i, the PS3 did the same conversion with the classic games played on it. And most modern TV's no longer support 240p either which is why gamers that use retro consoles resort to the likes of RetroTink and OSSC.
Here’s another clear video of Ape Escape running on PS5 at 25fps PAL Version https://youtu.be/hJieZrn4mrI
Why do they do things like this?
I prefer the PAL versions of Ape Escape games due to the voice acting. If most of them are 60Hz I'm okay with this.
Actually I think the different English localisations in the European versions might be why they're using that version? It was the same with Ape Escape 2.
@Orpheus79V I don’t get why they made different English localisations, spending extra money for recording the same text with a different accent. In film business, nobody would do it, right? And Americans seem to love British English in TV shows like Game of Thrones.
@Max_the_German Generally speaking Spanish, French and Portuguese languages have always had different dubs for the same shows and videogames between europe and america. I think it's okay. The more options, the better.
@IonMagi wont a lower quality upress look worse then a higher one just asking?
Just want to mention it in case nobody knows, but NTSC is lower res. In well optimized PAL games (crash for instance) this results in a noticeably better output whilst still running full game speed. Ultimately pal and NTSC push the same pixels per second.
However, in poor PAL conversions this can create some issues, and nobody wants frame stuttering for a few more lines of output...so I do understand concerns.
I always played the PAL version and never had a issue with it. One more important question is Legend of Dragoon confirmed and Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis,Breath of Fire 4.
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