
In a rather eye-opening interview with Kinda Funny Games, Xbox boss Phil Spencer basically admits that Microsoft's gaming arm can't directly compete with Sony and Nintendo. It's fairly common knowledge that in the current generation of consoles, the PS5 is comfortably outselling the Xbox Series X|S, but it's still quite surprising to hear Spencer sound so deflated by current trends.
Essentially, the talkative exec says that he's well aware of Xbox's current position, and, as Spencer's said before, the team in green has little choice but to find its own path to potential success, rather than following in PlayStation's shadow.
"We want Xbox to be something that people who buy our consoles can feel like members of a full ecosystem. We're fully committed to that. We're not in the business of 'out-consoling Sony or Nintendo', there's not a win or solution for us," Spencer explains (as transcribed by ResetEra).
He goes on to say that simply making good games isn't the solution to Microsoft's problems, despite what a lot of gamers might think. "It's not true that if we go up and build great games, that you'll see console shares go up massively," Spencer states. "If we focused on great games, that doesn't mean we'll win the console race."
The Xbox boss' comments are bound to raise eyebrows, and it goes even further: "There is no world where something like Starfield is a 11/10 and it'll lead to people selling their consoles." That's probably a fair comment, but it'll certainly pique interest in the platform at least.
In essence, Spencer is saying that PlayStation and Nintendo are so embedded in the gaming ecosystem that Xbox can't really go toe-to-toe. Indeed, he suggests that the previous console generation was a turning point, as it’s when players started to build up digital libraries which they may be reluctant to leave behind, thus locking them to a specific ecosystem. The PS4 outsold the Xbox One by a significant margin, and that momentum has carried through to the PS5. "We lost the biggest console generation there is to lose," says Spencer.
Of course, it's important to remember that Microsoft is currently trying to close the deal on its $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard — and the company has spent months painting itself as the industry's underdog. Spencer's comments could be skewed because of the ongoing saga, but we still think the interview makes for an eye-opening watch if you're an Xbox fan.
So, according to Spencer, Xbox has to take a different path. Game Pass has obviously been the company's focus for years now, but with subscriber numbers plateauing, and the arrival of a game like Redfall, we wonder how much longer that plan will hold. Microsoft has also invested a lot of resources into cloud gaming, but even that side of its business has been used to poke holes in its aforementioned Activision Blizzard buyout.
What do you make of Spencer's statements? Did you expect the head of Xbox to say these kinds of things? How do you think this reflects on Sony and PlayStation? Ponder what the future holds in the comments section below.
[source youtube.com, via resetera.com]
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That's kind of sad to hear, considering they have some really good teams on their side, like Obsidian, Tango Gameworks, Machine Games, heck even Id Software. It just seems like they don't have a roadmap or something to guide them, so each team is just doing their own thing, there's no leadership.
At this point he seems to be saying that he’s offering nothing. It’s quite mad really.
In other news water is wet.
To me this statement basically hints they may just become a publisher in the near future with a subscription service via streaming, PC and maybe (big if) on other consoles.
He said in the interview that even if Xbox builds great games they can't win the generation because they lost the last generation in which people built huge digital libraries. People won't ditch those libraries no matter what.
I'm not sure I agree with that. There's only so many times a person can play an old game until they get bored. Also who are these people that continuesly play old games? There's barely enough time to play new games. Great games is literally the reason to game. It's the only reason. Great games = fun. I don't get his logic.
Sorry uncle Phil but the sole reason I've ever bought a GAMES console is too play great GAMES
So MS whole plan was "well we can't compete, so let's try to change the entire industry to suit us".
MS do everyone a favour and just become a 3rd party publisher. Instead of trying to horde up IPs and publishers in the name of "been competitive".
Well to me..... GREAT GAMES are EVERYTHING......uncle Philly
Just what we need. Another console war story here.
Okay, then a sign a permanent deal that all Bethesda and Activision games that are on Xbox will also be on PS.
I’ll be waiting forever for you to say no exclusives from these deals because that won’t win victory.
His comments are completely accurate, but of course fanboys on both sides will go off on one 🙄 Phil mentions how people are embedded in either ecosystem, and have built a library of games there. Since so many people were on PS4 — which as he mentions is the generation they lost — not many people are willing to invest in a whole new system.
What he actually said on the podcast is that people aren’t going to up and sell their PS5 because Starfield is incredible. The digital nature of most people’s libraries stops that happening now.
Great Games arent everything on a Gaming Console? LOL the absolute clownery that comes out of this mans mouth, if games dont sell gaming consoles, what does?
"Great games aren't everything."
It is though, why would I waste my time on something I don't enjoy
(Although it's ofc purely subjective what's considered great)
Great games aren't everything? That's literally the reason Sony and Nintendo repeatedly beat Microsoft in the console market. Microsoft is clearly bigger than both combined, but Sony and Nintendo always have the upper hand when it comes to consoles. It's no accident that the Xbox 360 is the most successful of the Microsoft consoles because of its exclusives. Hell, the reason I bought an Xbox 360 was because of Mass Effect which was an exclusive at the time.
Bethesda keep buying studios but they barely release a quality game ever. They need change in leadership ASAP.
He didn’t say ‘great games aren’t everything’ nor did he suggest that Xbox won’t try to make great games (something they have t done for a while). All he did was say that great games wouldn’t suddenly see Xbox overtake Sony. Which is correct.
@LiamCroft Spot on. I listened the full interview, and you have pretty summed up his comment.
I kinda get his point in that one must-own game won't turn the tides alone, because it's not like (for example) Horizon Forbidden West makes PS5 a juggernaut alone. It's the cumulative sum of Horizon, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, and so on.
I find his comments a bit odd in general, though.
Wasn't the low-price Xbox Series S released partly as an admission they may not be able to pull people away from PlayStation but give them a cheap entry point as a secondary console to at the very least get them into the ecosystem? No one expects anyone to suddenly sell their PS5 because of Starfield!
I think it should also be noted that Sony's said 30% of PS5 owners never even had a PS4, so there are clearly consumers to entice who aren't affected by digital lock-in.
Maybe XBOX's problem is that it's only a tiny part of Microsoft while gaming is vital to Sony and Nintendo. Lack of focus, care and hunger. Let's not forget that even during their most successful 360 generation they were willing to throw away whatever they were doing to pursue kinect. They have a history of trying non conventional stuff.
@LightningF13
He is right. Except Gran Turismo and Horizon Zero Dawn are there no exclusives which makes me want to buy a Plastation. Only game I play on my PS5 is GT7. Sony has great games but almost all of them are not the games I want. The reason that I play the multiplatform games on my XSX are the controller. I like to play wireless for more than 8 hours and I can't do that with a PS controller since the PS4. And I like the shape of the XBox controller more.
Thanks, this explains all the Phil hate I was seeing on Twitter.
Sounds like a guy looking for a golden retirement parachute. Why work when you can get a few mil to retire?🤷
I know this might get flag for trolling but I’m gonna say it anyway Crying Jim > defeated phill. I don’t understand why Microsoft still making consoles if they don’t want to compete against PlayStation.
@get2sammyb absolutely, it's the cumulative sum. If for instance Xbox built games that were constantly getting 10/10 and suddenly made bigger and better games then Playstation then that would definitely turn the tide. Who wouldn't want to play such games? The comments he made are indeed odd.
He's not wrong, know your king!
There is some truth to what he's saying. Even if they make some great games, doesnt mean they will gain market share, as people already have big digital game collections and friendship groups on other platforms. The ps4 generation was a terrible one for xbox. It was the worst generation to lose, and lose badly. Its why Nintendo pivoted to a hybrid console after the total failure of the wii u.
This article pretty badly misrepresents what he says to be honest
Microsoft were publisher of the year in 2021 and nobody cared and stil say "xbox has no games" there is lots of evidence to support his theory
First of all great games are all that matter, so his wrong there. Secondly I see this more as a pity party because of the CMA block.
@LiamCroft Nice one dismissing anyone's argument by calling them fanboys. Ad hominem much?
If the Xbox Series X had a bunch of amazing exclusives I would buy it without thinking twice. I might be a PS owner since the second one, but I used to be a Nintendo console owner exclusively. By having strong games you may introduce people to a different console and while they definitely will not sell their PS5's little by little you gain an audience and "convert" then to your console.
It might not be the only strategy, but just saying that the Xbox can't do anything about the PS5 is untrue and it does nothing in favor of Microsoft.
Oh poor me with trillions behind me mentality, ridiculous. Maybe make some great games with the billions you have for all the Xbox fans instead of buying up CoDs. Consistently making quality games is the only W in gaming
What Phil? I’ve literally sold my xbox 360 and havent looked back because the great games were on playstation, and i know many others did the same.
It may not be the only thing you have to do, but it is an enormous first step.
Xbox has like no understanding of the business man geez.
"You can't just make great games and expect people to buy your console."
.................................... What?!
“Great games aren’t everything” yeah ok. Tell that to Switch owners (myself included). I’m sure they bought a Switch because they like having a vastly inferior machine and the worst online functionality. Not for Mario’s or Zelda or anything 🙄
PlayStation always win against micro you so soft.word up son
@Hesse Those people didn't show up for Wii U, though, to be fair!
I’m sure games matter an awful lot 😂😂😂
Come on Sony and Nintendo bury Phil and Xbox and get those studios released to freedom.
This guy is a used car salesman. So sad to hear someone actually say this, even sadder that he's in charge of one of the "big 3". As someone from one of those great games says: BE BETTER.
I have no clue how anyone comes to this conclusion after watching that interview. Why should be an xbox fan be alarmed by this?
The more time I spend with my ps5….I’m kinda beginning to agree.
Great games are everything. That's the main thing. Sure it's not the only thing in 2023. But its at least 95%of the things.
@LiamCroft
This is the correct take, but the article seems to be painting it as some alarming warning that Xbox does not actually care to make great games. The article in your own site is taking one of the fanboism takes you warn about. I am glad at least you yourself do see it for what it is, though.
Just look how these comment section is already reacting to the tone of the article.
Is he stupid or has amnesia? X360 literally pooped on PS3 because of great games and a better console experience until the end of that gen when PS started dropping timeless bangers.
Just make people feel like owning your console isn't a mistake and you'll get there. So far this gen for Xbox is known for dumpster fires of games
I agree with him in the sense that I have 500+ games on PSN through purchases and the Plus monthly games, and when I combine that with the great games that come out every year on PlayStation I'll never be leaving the platform.
I remember being in college during the PS4 gen and we were saying at the time that it was the gen to win. Once people build up those libraries it's hard to crowbar them away.
@get2sammyb
RE "one must-own game won't turn the tides" this is how I understand what he's saying too.
One game alone is not what does it.
I went from PS2 to XBOX 360 because of the price of PS3, but I came back to PS3 in the end because of Demon's Souls, God of War, Flower, Uncharted, Folklore etc.
Edit: And as others have pointed out, this could all be theatrics too.
Great games are what saved the PS3 in the end!
Crazy comment from someone in charge of video games lmao
They could have a solid lineup of games by now if they put in the effort during the XB1 gen. You can’t achieve success over night - it takes time, money and talent. They’ve wasted the last 10 years.
Lol - starting to regret buying my series x when the guy in charge admits he isn’t trying to make good games.
It’s why Xbox is struggling. They’ve never tried to make good games. They’ve tried to make money. When they’ve made good games it’s a nice side product.
I like Xbox - I dislike this guy.
I'm sure Phil is a great guy but he sure sounds like a poor car salesman right now. Pretty sure his narrative will change once Starfield comes out and it impresses everyone (assuming that it will actually meet expectations that is).
@Tharsman Was there a particular part you disagreed with?
@Stocksy It's a long time since XBOX has felt like a creative company as opposed to a tech company too isn't it?
PlayStation and Nintendo just have that bottled magic that XBOX is still trying to figure out the ingredients for.
I'm really hopeful that Avowed will be something special. We'll see.
I'll rarely agree with Phil. I simply dont trust him, but he is right that last gen was crucial because users will be tied to their digital footprint, particularly with consoles becoming increasingly backwards compatible.
I disagree with his comments that if Microsoft developed better games, people still wouldnt come. Playstation was haemorrhaging customers on PS3 at launch, but they salvaged their reputation by developing arguably the best first party software available at the time. Those games ultimately drove sales of PS4 (along with Microsoft failings at the launch of Xbox One) and Sony have continued to invest in a quality line up of first party titles ever since. Nintendo meanwhile has singlehandedly relied on consistent quality first party titles for decades, with their third party relations infamously terrible prior to the Switch.
TLDR version. If Microsoft invested in their studios and they made better games, rather than trying to buy up the industry, i think their market share would grow considerably. But they have been full of broken promises for too many years now that gamers are struggling to trust in what they are promising.
Tell that to Nintendo which is bringing out 10 exclusives a year and is selling like crazy. Great exclusives are the only thing that matter.
In a way it's true what PS4 was the most important generation as far as creating a lasting customer relationship is concerned. Digital games really took over that gen and of course you wanna take your growing library with you.
I say this but I'm more than prepared to get b!tchslapped in the face with the next Nintendo console xD
@get2sammyb yes and I quoted one above.
The article seems to be painting some alarm inducing scenario where Phil claims he does not care to make great games and wont try, because there is no point, when that is not what was said at all.
Liam had the correct take, regardless how many great titles they make, regardless how good Starfield is, they wont turn around and sell so many Xbox consoles that they will catch up, much less overtake, PS5 sales.
Thats nothing to be alarmed about, its just obvious fact.
Look at the postings so far, look at how many seem to think Phil literally said they don't care to make great games, due to how the article portrayed the quote.
Edit: Hell, the post just after mine!
@Tharsman got to agree with you, this article really misrepresents what he actually said
I know people here don't like Phil, but it takes a lot for someone in his position to be open about weaknesses and areas of improvement of their own organization.
I personally admire his candor.
@get2sammyb that is true. But I think that also had to do with how poorly the Wii U controller was received, and honestly how the games were hamstrung to use it. Making any 3rd party developers abandon the Wii U completely and even a lot of Nintendo’s 1st party offerings feel off.
He’s correct that I’d never sell my ps5 for a Xbox, but if Xbox had some amazing first party games? Would I buy an Xbox in addition? Probably. And a bet a decent amount of hardcore gamers would too. I own a switch Just for those nintendo games. If Xbox had a similar game catalog I’d consider dipping my toes in. But as it stands there is zero reason for me to have an Xbox, other than gamepass but I have no desire to have a subscription based gaming catalog
Meanwhile Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima and The Last of Us literally were console sellers that ended up being convincing enough to not only get people into PlayStation, but to stay there.
I know and know of many people who at one point said "I'm buying a PlayStation just to play Spider-Man" and ended up liking PlayStation more and moving from another platform BECAUSE of great games. Because then they play the OTHER games that platform has to offer.
It's the games that do the talking Phil! Not your mouth. The guy's talking out of his rear and he knows it.
The same guy that in 2014 said "exclusives don't matter" and proceeded to buy publishers for exclusives. And then there was that itsy bitsy Tomb Raider incident.
He says things when it suits him. And his excuses will run out eventually.
Uncle Phil should just focus on making more Xbox & Xbox 360 games backwards compatible. All of them! 😬 And enhance them. Also allow emulators to be installed in retail mode again and keep them there! 😉 Make the Series X the ultimate backwards compatible emulation machine!!! Let Sony make the great games 🤣
@edwinjoe450 It sounds like most of them should have stayed independent. If you look at some companies like a EA that dis more damage then good to the companies.
A totally bizarre defeatist attitude. I am invested in Playstation, but also in Nintendo and would probably return to owning an Xbox if it had anything I wanted to play. Great games MAKE consoles desirable. Go make some and I'll get an Xbox Phil
@Tharsman Do you not think it is alarming for the top executive at a trillion dollar company like Microsoft to make that admission in a public forum? It's certainly shocking or eye-opening in my opinion!
I don't think the article misrepresents anything he said, and acknowledges his points about digital library entrenchment and that a single game alone won't turn the tides.
Appreciate you sharing your feedback, though!
@TrickyDicky99 I know, but it's just a saying.
I read it as defeat and they've felt that way since last Gen, that sort of morality makes.people.just think well ***** we lost anyway why break our back for amazing when " good" seems to be perfectly fine, it's a terrible attitude, and spreads like disease
All of the studios under sonys umbrella constantly try do better (i think), which is why we get games like GoW, Ghost of tsushima, Horizon and so on.
What was the last exceptional game on xbox?
He also mentions games don't sell consoles...clearly they do look at console sale increases on major releases, either he's a plank or arrogant
@Tharsman @LiamCroft idk, I bought an xbox when I couldn't get hold of a ps5 but eventually sold it because there's very little on offer outside of game pass. Was I going to abandon PlayStation entirely? Absolutely not but could it replace the Switch as my secondary or maybe just become my third console? The potential was there.
@AdamNovice
The question is who would come into replace them if they decided to pull a Sega?
We could possibly see a Tencent console. The magical number of console platforms in the industry is 3. No more, no less. It’s been proven to be the healthiest number of active platforms.
I could see Tencent going for it if Microsoft decided to exit home hardware. They have enough studios under their belt to create a first party ecosystem.
Hes got a point about ecosystems I guess. Trophies and games you've built make moving away increasingly difficult.
Though Xbox did trophies first.
Playstation did start 'giving away' games before Xbox. Xbox finally followed with games with gold, but the games were never of the same quality if I recall.
Ps+ essentials/games with gold has one big ace over game pass/ps+ extra, you 'keep' every game you claim. The longer you stay a member the more invested you become. The new ones have no such loyalty bonus.
Saying good games wouldn't help is a bit odd though, of course they would.
@get2sammyb It's not alarming at all, actually.
It would be worse if Phil simply sat in the spreading fire and said "this is fine".
I look at Nintendo. It took huge acts of humility to pull itself out of the ashes. Look at it now: the Switch is a smashing success - the Wii was too, but I feel that was more because it appealed to retirement homes, rehab centers, and the Queen of England. It was less about Nintendo IP as it was about Wii Sports.
I think Microsoft is having moments of humility. And for Phil to see that will hopefully mean that Microsoft is going to try harder going forward.
If something is wrong with how things are going for an organization, wouldn't you want the people in charge acknowledging them and figure out ways to improve?
Phil might not be in charge much longer. If the Activision doesn't go through he just cost Microsoft 3 billion.
@Chaudy the digital libraries comment is true, not that people necessarily play those games again, but because they've invested value into them and by ditching that ecosystem they essentially lose that perceived value. The technology giants want people invested in their ecosystems because it helps create brand loyalty and customer retention with new products. Look at the numbers of people that invested in an iPod and bought music through iTunes that went on to get iPhones, iPads and apple music subscriptions, and continue to buy upgrades to those devices because they're invested in that ecosystem. My step mum has an iPad pro, the latest iPhone and an M2 MacBook having started with an iPod and ITunes. My dad has a Samsung Android smartphone and isn't bothered about apple, he's stuck with Samsung for years because it's what he's known and he's familiar with the ecosystem.
Maybe watch the full interview people. It’s not “alarming” to me as an Xbox owner. It’s refreshing honestly. And he NEVER says Xbox is just going to stop making good games. Once again just twisting the story into whatever fits the fanboy view of the moment.
@GamingFan4Lyf I would want the company to acknowledge and address those things internally, absolutely.
Personally, I'm a bit fatigued by the very-evident PR campaign attempting to paint a trillion dollar megacorp as a total underdog.
It doesn't wash with me, but that's just my own outlook.
@GamingFan4Lyf Games dont matter as a statement for a gameconsole departement. That is not showing your weakeness its just damn clueless.
With these big studio's its quite shocking you cant produce more games. With Sony its not only the studio's but also the People behind then.
You cant just buy a winning team without the right spirit or vision. Even Jim would not come out with statements like these and he sometimes can be quite baffling.
@get2sammyb my conspiracy theory is that he's trying to make Xbox look worse so that they can say they need Activision to survive. They down graded redfall to look bad, but like I said just my conspiracy theory lol.
@get2sammyb Microsoft has always been drumming this beat, though. They don't share console sales numbers, it's about player engagement. Xbox Series X|S doesn't need to outsell PS5 or Switch to be a success, and that's essentially what Phil said.
You can't take anything Doublespeakin' Phil says at face value, but he's right. Xbox has never been as good as PlayStation. Microsoft needs to figure out there own thing like they have been (putting almost all their games everywhere they can). His mistake is he's not doing it all the way. Put every game everywhere possible, not some games some places.
@get2sammyb
Alarming? Definitively not. Is it surprising that they would admit this in public, yes, but what would actually alarm me is if they denied the position they are in. But that's not my objection.
Again, I think the way your posters are reacting to this show that the article indeed misrepresented things, and making your readers think that Phil won't bother making good games anymore.
Absolute disingenuous rubbish! He knows better than anyone that existing libraries of old games mean very little. What brings in the money is the latest COD, FIFA, GTA and free to play games like Fortnite. That’s why he’s testing the water by trying to buy one of them.
If MS used its formerly great studios to make games better than Sony does then people would move. Even if it’s just at the next gen (the benefits of back compat). Acting like it’s necessary to sell and lose your old games in order to get a next gen machine is laughable.
I literally bought a Nintendo Switch to play Zelda Breath of the Wild. And stayed for the great games that came later. 🤷🏻♂️
Would one great game that I can't play anywhere else get me to buy or switch platforms? Yes. As would be the case with many people. We don't buy a platform to look at pizza hut advert on the dashboard Phil.
@Pat_trick Where did I say I was dismissing anyone's argument? I talked about literal fanboys, but unfortunately this site attracts a few too many of them.
I just don't trust the guy. Perhaps I'm being overly cynical, but I couldn't help but think parts of that interview were being performed for European regulators.
@GADG3Tx87 This really is the bottom line imo. Pretty much every Nintendo I ever owned was for like 1-2 Mario games (per device). That's it. I then bought other games to essentially justify having the console.
@thefourfoldroot1
Good point. He's the one that kept going on about "player engagement" for years. And I'll bet that's why he wants control of CoD. (They can say that's not what it's about but of course it is, if it was just about King they wouldn't press so hard for the entire company and just buy that)
@Intr1n5ic yeah just days after getting blocked and he's out here saying they can't compete... does seem a little performative.
@Intr1n5ic
You could have a good point there. Very convenient timing isn't it? From a fellow heavy cynical guy.
@get2sammyb Fair enough.
I mean, I know only this particular part of the interview is newsworthy to this site (so that is all that will be focused on), but the rest of the interview really opens up issues within the organization when it comes to games development - especially with regards to Redfall's "failure".
That part has nothing to do with being the "underdog" - but just clear areas where Microsoft needs to reel in development of first-party games: especially with regards to the wealth of knowledge all the game studios have that can be shared "internally".
@LiamCroft People don't need to sell their PS5's to go to Xbox, if there are great games on Xbox the incentive is there to buy an Xbox without selling your PS5.
But right now, seeing as how almost every game on Xbox is on PC, there really isn't an incentive to buy an Xbox at all. You can play on PC or even stream games. The failure of Xbox doesn't have everything to do with not having any great games, but it's substantial. You want great games to keep people in your ecosystem! That's a big reason why Sony is winning the generation, more time spent on the platform, is more opportunity for the user to spend on that platform.
It's why big games like Fortnite and Call of Duty, are being converted into not just a big game, but a platform that keeps the player engaged, so that they spend money.
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@LiamCroft Microsoft goes for one thing profit like all the other big companies but it lacks any form of passion for gaming. Phil can put on a mask as much as he wants wants but he wont be fooling me. Its one thing they want total control of the market. Maybe Sony has a legg up not being as huge as Microsoft they atleast not having the option totally go past the users.
@Flaming_Kaiser Did you listen/read the entire interview or just what was said here.
There was a lot more said than just this. (see my comment #89)
So yes, there was honesty in this interview about weaknesses.
@Flaming_Kaiser If you think Phil Spencer/Microsoft aren't passionate about gaming, actually watch the interview (like so many people in this comments section should).
@BlueBeemer
The guy has done nothing but make excuses since he took over.
Early Xbox One first year "power doesn't matter, it's about the games" until the OneX when all he kept saying was "power, power, power!"
He said in those early days exclusives don't matter. Then buys up publishers and third party exclusives.
He said sales don't matter, it's about engagement. Until the Series X was doing well then he was shouting out the numbers again during the PS5 stock shortages.
It only "doesn't matter" to Phil when Xbox doesn't have it. So yeah, excuses.
Also, if game streaming is the "future" as you say, then the concerns of the CMA are perfectly valid since MS already has the upper hand. Even though others last week were saying it's "niche" and a "small market". And Microsoft themselves have said many times that it's the future. But since they haven't gotten their own way with ABK suddenly it's not important anymore. Weird, huh?
@Neither_scene but the gaming industry is drastically different to smartphone or music industry.
With the example of iPod, a music library is something that you'll use for years, people listen to their favourite music on repeat because it doesn't require a huge deal of time.
Even with smartphone, once you buy it, you're not going to buy anything else for it. You'll just stick with it. That's it, you now have a phone.
Gaming is completely different, the people who invest the most in gaming are the people who work full time. So they have limited time. Which means they are not really going to play old games again and again no matter how big the library is. That's a contrast to having a huge iTunes library.
With gaming when you buy a console, it's not the end. Unlike with a smartphone. After buying a console you look for a constant supply of great games. So eventually over time your digital library is not going to mean much when you realise the competitor console is releasing master piece after master piece. Neither is the ecosystem going to matter. If tomorrow Xbox made better games then God of War, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us. Then people who have a Playstation now would indeed switch over. There is no way they wouldn't.
In terms of ecosystem, what is it that consoles have? Controllers, Digital Libarary, Peripherals? All of these things are secondary to great games. GREAT Games is literally the reason we all love gaming.
@GamingFan4Lyf You want my honest opinion this guy is fantastic in acting he changes his opinion on the fly every time its in his favor. He has a mask up all the time i dont trust a word the guy says.
Damage Control. Xbox sales will still plummet down
@Flaming_Kaiser Just like the salesman that knocks at Your door and tries to sell You the best in the world vaccum cleaner and it isn't the best and is missing some features that you have to subscribe to to get.
I don’t understand their way of thinking in allowing RedFall to be released unfinished when they spent the money they spent. The care and attention within the management system is clearly not there for the games they bring out. They’re going to be hamstrung with nearly every release if they don’t change their way. Halo Infinite the prime example
Spencer might be out of a job in a few years time
@get2sammyb I don't think his statement in this interview are about painting themselves as the underdog, as @LiamCroft points, this is in line with their messaging, for years now, that they are not trying to compete via console sales, and instead they are trying to compete on user engagement via PC and console (and streaming if that ever takes off enough.)
@Flaming_Kaiser Completely agree with this. Spencer always reminds me of a politician who says whatever he needs to in a given moment.
It sounds like he needs to be fired to me. If great games won’t get people to buy into your ecosystem, ***** games sure won’t.
Well let's all just hope that Microsoft leave the console business behind them and that the majority of people in the comments can finally get what they've all been craving for so long - a Sony that is free from the constraints of competition!
(At which point I'll probably have switched over to gaming on PC where I can enjoy Sony's titles at reduced cost, higher fidelity and a resolution/frame rate of my choosing)
For once I actually don’t think this is pr fluff especially since it’s so defeatist. He knows the acti deal is dead so there would be no reason to be this downbeat he’s just speaking honestly
@TicklefistCP
Or “let’s talk about the PlayStation focused part because we cover PlayStation” ?
Talking about how he admits mishandling studios would be good fanboy bait sure, but it’s not what they are paid to cover.
@Chaudy I think there's something to be said about gamers' habit of collecting games though. There was an article about this many years ago that according to data many people buy more games than they play - so they're just buying games, not playing them.
I don't know to what extent that is true, but I sure hear a lot of people talk about their backlog. Same on the steam - I see a lot of people say they won't leave steam just because their collection is there.
All of this is anecdotal, but I'm just saying there's a chance that gamers' consumer behavior is complicated and Phil might have a lot of data that we don't know about.
@LiamCroft I do believe the man is a great actor. If he is that passionate why keep going down this road.
Even the bloody value nonsense with gaming its about having fun and relaxing.
Look at Jim Ryan he atleast is honest that its business for him first atleast. Maybe its Sony as a company there is more about it then profit alone. We had a lot of leads that where passionate without keeping up a act.
We are just lucky somehow that there is more to it than money alone. And with a loud fanbase or even fanboys somehow keep the company in check maybe its true that you can become to big for own good as a company.
Lets hope Sony doesnt falls in the same trap as the biggest companies around Sony may be big but is still nothing in the likes off Google, Microsoft, Amazon.
I know Sony is here to make money lets hope it will not become their only thing.
I can’t believe people are buying this. Gamers don’t need to sell their console and lose their games library if they get another console. They can keep it right there under the TV. In fact there are many people who have two or three games consoles per gen even, let alone split across different generations. In fact, everyone I know with a Switch also has a dedicated home console.
@BlueBeemer
Unless I'm mistaken it sounds like you're agreeing with me? 🤔
I mean, I just think the guy does nothing but make excuses for his failings and lies.
Phil also said a couple of years ago that he "wants a AAA game every three months on GamePass". And he can't even get one critically acclaimed AAA out of the gate in two years.
My opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to keep buying studios. Because every time they do, this happens. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. And I don't just mean gaming.
And where is this "world's first AAAA game" that he said he was going to deliver 7 years ago?
@Tharsman Fair enough! I appreciate they have a different business model, but I do absolutely think they've tried to paint themselves as an underdog from a PR perspective.
But that's a different discussion for a different day!
Calling it now starfield is going to be delayed until fall maybe even winter.
If great games aren’t everything then why is Xbox losing? Could it be that the other consoles have great games? It’s like a chef saying great food isn’t everything. I don’t think I’d trust this guy to pick up my dry cleaning, much less run a business.
Xbox was successful when it had great games on the 360.
@Americansamurai1
Starfield will most likely fall
I think many of you need to read Liam's comments. He is spot on. Turn off your blinders. As an Xbox owner (and PS5, Switch & PC), I am not happy with the current slate of first party games from Xbox. Redfall is an utter embarrassment and should never have been released in it's current state and I was excited for it. Now I won't touch it until it's playable. Even then I may not play it. But what Phil is saying is true. Take some time and watch the entire video and take your blinders off.
Good interview. Starfield is pretty interesting and the prospect of Evil Within 3 could get me on Xbox. Unfortunately I just don’t like the direction they are going in, with Gamepass etc. although I understand why.
That said, Sony first party exclusives generally don’t excite me either. Very bored with them all, actually.
Thank god for third parties and Nintendo.
@LiamCroft while having great games on Xbox may not lead anyone to sell their PS5 it would drive people to buy Xboxes, which they’re not doing now.
“It's not true that if we go up and build great games, that you'll see console shares go up massively.”
I completely disagree. At the launch of this gen I seriously considered purchasing a Series S to keep the PS5 aesthetic. I figured I could play the Xbox catalog via GamePass without having to invest in another ecosystem. However, the lack of games…great or otherwise…kept me from making the purchase. Now, three years later, I stand by my initial decision to hold off.
The other issue impacting Xbox console sales is due to Xbox releasing its games on GamePass for PC, essentially negating the need for an Xbox console.
We’ll see how things stand when Starfield releases…but if Redfall was in development longer than Starfield and both were delayed to 2023…I honestly don’t see Starfield releasing this year unless it’s in a similar state as Redfall. Over 1,000 planets and this is launching in 4 months? Let’s see what they show in June, but the skepticism is high for that one.
@kyleforrester87
I second what you said there. The Evil Within is a fantastic series, and if a third entry is as good I'll buy an Xbox. So Phil is wrong here in my opinion. The games speak for themselves. When you deliver. And he isn't delivering.
As much as some people despise them, I often say that Nintendo have the best first party games in the business, I like theirs even more than I do PlayStation.
@Tr3mm0r hopefully for Xbox fans it turns out good.
@ppitchfork maybe not there’s only so much time a day to game I have both systems and I barely touch my Xbox because of time. Hell I even buy indies or games that come to gamepass day one on my ps5 because of the dualsense,trophies,friends and digital library
@GADG3Tx87 I use to think that about Nintendo but since the ps4 gen I think Sonys first party is better
@Americansamurai1 I own both PS5 and Gaming PC so i would be happy if Starfield was awsome. But i doubt Bethesda and i doubt MS (Redfall ekhm).
Wow. Uh... that's an interesting take. Great games are absolutely the most important thing to me as a consumer. For example I'm honestly not a fan of the Switch as a piece of tech. I don't like the form factor, it's underpowered, and the online functionality is kind of trash. However Nintendo makes great games that I do want to play and so I still got one.
I also obviously have a PS5 because I like the games Playstation has to offer. Plus I like the console and it's not underpowered and has solid online infrastructure.
As for Xbox I still plan on having one at some point. There are Xbox games I like too such as Halo, Gears, Fable and I'm also looking forward to Hellblade 2. The problem is my PC was able to run Halo so I didn't need to run out and get an Xbox to play it (granted it runs it at low settings but at least I get 60 fps!)
The games bring me to the service/console. Not the other way around.
@RonnieL To Phil GamePass for 1 dollar and Teraflops are everything Even if they can't optimise their games to utilise those
@Chaudy yes, you've pretty much described the enthusiast market for games consoles, not the mass consumer market that actually drives profit and revenue. I have a friend who only plays cod and fifa. He bought a ps5 mostly because all his friends had PlayStation, he had ps plus paid for the next 8 months, previously owned a ps4 and wanted access to all his FIFA games and ultimate teams he'd spent money on. He also still enjoys playing black ops 4 multiplayer which he bought on PS4. He tried the uncharted series and only got a few hours into it before quitting, had the same experience with Spiderman and didn't fare much better with god of war. He's not a minority either - there's a reason cod, FIFA and madden manage to stay in the top 10 sales charts for the majority of the year while other titles fade in and out.
According to the head of PlayStation every single great exclusive Sony have created still isn't sufficient to allow them to continue competing in the console market should they ever lose access to call of duty. All the great new games you talk about really don't mean a thing with regard to the overall market and are only truly important to enthusiasts.
@dark_knightmare2
Too each his own. There was a time I'd swear by PlayStation first parties as number one. And Ghost of Tsushima, HZD/FW and TLOU are amazing but as a huge Zelda fan I will always love Nintendo. And since the Switch I've gained a new appreciation for them and I was with them before PlayStation even existed, but they took a backseat during the mid PS2 to PS3 years for me.
The Switch, while not powerful, was/is a fantastic idea. Bridging the gap between home and portable play. It's highly convenient and I hope their next console follows the idea.
And I can't wait for Tears of the Kingdom next month.
But in my mind, the games speak for themselves. Even though preference of genre can play a factor. Something that Sony and Nintendo seem to understand.
Great games aren't everything? Well, to me, they're a pretty important factor, which is why I've owned Sony consoles for the last decade plus and haven't had an Xbox since the 360. And there's nothing on the horizon that sounds like it's going to convince me to pick up a Series X any time soon.
@Tr3mm0r yeah Bethesda has. A long history of releasing buggy games. I didn't have internet to patch Skyrim, so I ran into a glitch back on ps3 where I couldn't touch water or it would freeze my system and I would have to reboot it lol.
@Hesse I mean… I bought my switch the portability (I’ve own 3 switches, all 3 docks is still wrapped in their boxes). I couldn’t care about Mario, Zelda, or Pokémon. I’m sure plenty of people also bought a switch for same reason
@dark_knightmare2 agreed, time is limited, and trophies are what really keeps Playstation as my main. That said, I’ve owned all of the Xboxes at one point or another and I’ve made time to play all of the halo games, gears games, and some random odds and ends throughout the years. Xbox has definitely profited off of me because it had great games.
But Phil, the only reason I have bought playstation since it's first iteration is because of their great games. Oof, the Jedi are going to feel this one.
Oh, another thing, way back in the day I actually sold my PS2 so I could get an Xbox and knights of the old republic. I know it’s a 20 year old example, but he’s wrong.
Thanks for all your feedback on the article, guys — always appreciated! We made some minor adjustments to the text to clarify a couple of points, so I just wanted to acknowledge that here.
Discussion has largely been good, so let's stay on topic and be polite to each other. Remember, we can disagree without falling out!
@theMEGAniggle The Xbox 360 popped on the PS3 cause it was cheaper, released a year earlier, and was just a straight up better console.
I think Phil has taken his eye off the ball being so focused on the ABK saga and he now realises he needs to get back to the day job in producing great games. Like Sony MS has some great studios on their hands that should be producing a steady stream of great games.
One 10/10 game might not make a difference but a constant stream of them will and it's Phil's job to manage those studios and make sure that happens.
Wow. I love my XBOX Series X and yet this is one of the dumbest quotes I’ve ever read. To say that great games won’t sell consoles is just lying to yourself.
Look at the Wii U. It was underpowered, yes, but it lacking third-party support and having more simplistic, less ambitious first-party titles is what caused it to sell poorly.
The Switch is even MORE underpowered to the competition than the Wii U and it’s selling like hotcakes. Why? I don’t know, maybe… great, ambitious games that people want to play?
He had to have just goofed and said something dumb on the spot cause I can’t fathom how someone who pays even a bit of attention to the console market could think what he said.
@nessisonett
lmao. It sounds insane! What about all those console owners who bought a xbox thinking you were going to compete?
I think some of what he said is kind of questionable, but overall it's refreshing for an executive to be honest and up front and hey actually do some interviews talking about your platform.
It's definitely a stark contrast from Sony that just continues to use their sales success as a widespread opportunity to ship out and focus on various means to nickel and dime their fan base and greenlighting the release of half baked ports without any form of fan service or communication. Unless of course it's talking about sales or some used to be exec talking about the yesteryear's.
While PS Plus and game pass are fantastic deals for gamers, they are terrible for developers. Most gamers will now wait for a game to come to game pass and will purchase less games. The quality of games will decrease as Redfall has just shown. But if Microsoft starts investing in a lot of quality games, they could overtake Sony. But they also have to balance that with making a profit on game pass. I don’t see it sustainable for Microsoft to have day one games on game pass that are of high production values and quality.
@LiamCroft Kudos for being the one to tell it as it is!
@kyleforrester87 Yeah, that's kind of where I am. At this point Horizon is the only Sony first party that really interests me much at all if Sackboy and ratchet is binned, maybe GoT, but I still haven't got myself to finish it despite thinking highly of it. Xbox was Forza Horizon 5, and I adore Pentiment and Psychonauts....and hopefully Starfield because I'm a huge Elder Scrolls fan. But other than that....not much going on first party. Nintendo....their hollow drip feed for twitter posts and DLC model has been a lead balloon for me. I'm still buying more 1st party with them than the other two technically, but at this point my gaming diet is really 95% third parties. None of the first parties are really compelling for me right now more than a game here or there.
@get2sammyb "Personally, I'm a bit fatigued by the very-evident PR campaign attempting to paint a trillion dollar megacorp as a total underdog."
Google's huge so Stadia must be curb stomping PS Plus and Sony's TVs are definitely at the top despite a widening gulf in sales between them and Korean and Chinese mfrs. Because a large, wealthy corporation can't possibly be an underdog in a market?
@KundaliniRising333
Everything they are saying at the moment is with a view to their 70 billion acquisition. Making MS seem weak and uncompetitive is exactly what they have been doing for months. Do you really think he didn’t have to pass every word of this past his higher ups before they would allow him to do the interview?
@mariomaster96 thats taking it out of context, of course great games mean something, but the point is great games coming out on Xbox isn’t going to make the mass market of PS users sell their PS4’s and PS5’s to buy a Xbox.
When Phil mentioned that they lost the most important generation to lose where we all built our digital libraries and that really hit home for me. I couldn't imagine at this point jumping ship for any game. The Xbox One was so bad that Xbox pretty much can't recover without something like essentially buying COD.
Though of course comparing the quality of 1st party releases it's fair to say Xbox could do a whole lot better.
@thefourfoldroot1 dude the deal is block Microsoft is just weak they’re not acting weak because of the deal.
@NEStalgia
“Because a large, wealthy corporation can't possibly be an underdog in a market?“
Not if they are allowed to just buy 69 billion worth of publisher. No. Not in that situation.
@BlaizeV
“ I couldn't imagine at this point jumping ship for any game. The Xbox One was so bad that Xbox pretty much can't recover without something like essentially buying COD.”
But people don’t have to jump ship. People can alternate between the two ecosystems and often do.
@AverageGamer yes it was also cheaper and had a better console experience, that's what I said but it also undoubtedly had better games until near the end of the generation
What's the point of XBOX if they themselves don't even feel they can create anything worthwhile?
Sounds like they have no vision apart from buying up popular ip's and trying to be Gaming Netflix.
I'm so glad I went (again) with PlayStation. They never disappointed me and always delivered amazing high quality games. Thanks, Sony for still developing single player games!
@Neither_scene yeah you make a excellent point about the mass market. Its actually spot on. I forgot that FIFA and COD have a huge impact. I also know someone who only plays these 2 games and doesn't care about anything else and there's a lot of people who do the same thing. It's a very interesting conversation and I guess it's not as straightforward as I thought it was.
I should ask Phill personally for a refund on my Xbox, as he promised great games in original pitch..
@RonnieL I loved the OG Xbox. KoToR, halo, ninja gaiden…. I thought it was great
@ppitchfork
Metropolis street racer, championship manager, panzer dragoon
@Tharsman who cares if a couple of fanboys argue online about something like this, anyone looking for civility on the internet is delusional.
@4kgk2 The European Commission response is the most important of the 3 (if they approve then the UK will likely cave) so I wouldn't exactly say the deal is dead yet, just less likely to happen than before as the EU is usually even more serious than the UK about this kind of stuff. I do agree with @thefourfoldroot1 that this is definitely a case of looking weak to try and convince the EC to approve.
portraying xbox as losers, underdogs, victims and chumps as usual... just another calculated rant to get people to feel sorry for them and encourage the purchase of more publishers. what a sad and desperate state of affairs. never forget that microsoft is one of the richest companies in the world and does not need your pity, nor your empathy. this is a cutthroat industry like any other where those who are not competitive get left behind. the only thing keeping xbox in the ring presently is money (which xbox division is bleeding a lot of). it sure as hell is not games. for the love of god, xbox division has had more than 20 long years to figure it out yet here we are today seeing phil scratch his head and shrug his shoulders. he looks lost, confused and dare i say a little cracked.
Genuine question to you, @LightningF13. If Xbox make 4 AAA games a year for the next 5 years (so 20 games in total) and each of them score 10/10. Sony make half as many 9s and 10s in that same period. When it comes time to buy either a PS6 or whatever name the next Xbox is called, would you swap to the Xbox?
The likely answer is that you wouldn't buy an Xbox over the PlayStation, even if in terms of games, Xbox was doing much better than the PlayStation. And therein lies the problem that Phil is talking about; Sony have done so well last generation, that people are not going to swap ecosystems now. He's not wrong.
@thefourfoldroot1 exactly, the list of great games goes on!
Why does it matter what the opposing console admits to or thinks here? Shouldn't this site stay focused on games and playstation related?
There is always room to improve and expand market share. They don't need to "outconsole" Sony and win over every single-platform gamer. They just need to give people a reason to be excited about the brand like Sony and Nintendo do.
Comments like this just confirm to me that Phil Spencer doesn't have the passion or the vision required to elevate the Xbox brand again.
@FenIsMightier you've given a fabulous example with the Google and apple products. This is exactly why I didn't understand Phil's point about ecosystem. When I think about Playstation or Xbox I don't think about the ecosystem I just think about what Games I'll be able to play on it. I bought Xbox 360 for Halo 3 but then I also bought Playstation 3 to play Uncharted and Killzone. Same for Playstation 4, I wanted access to the new Uncharted and God of War. I went back to Xbox with the Series X because I missed out on the Xbox One so there were Exclusives like Halo 5, Gears 4 and 5, Forza Horizon which I didn't have on PS4. Point being that for me it was always the games that attracted me to the console. I never thought about anything else.
Wow. It’s just amazing how people are distorting this. Listen to the whole damn interview! All he said was that good games aren’t going to WIN the console race at this point because of how entrenched people are in each ecosystem.
He never said that good games don’t matter. Never said that Xbox was going to stop focusing on making good games.
It’s infuriating how people not only don’t understand the point he’s making but change it into something completely different.
@get2sammyb my point would be Phil isn’t saying great games don’t matter or not sell systems. It reads if Starfield is a 11/10 PS users aren’t in mass droves going to run out and sell their PS4 or PS5 to get a Series X/S , so the real way to compete is to have these great games ON xbox but not limited to Xbox and have them on Cloud and PC to let those players not interested in a Xbox console or console gaming in general to be part of the ecosystem and feel included. I am not sure I’ve seen to many in this chat forum be able to comprehend that. Phil did not as a gamer himself say flat out great games don’t matter. One thing no one likes in the world is a Sore winner or sore loser. Phil is owning up to mistakes made from MS and how hard it is to compete in one space( console) so they are growing a larger reaching ecosystem of Console, Cloud and PC & Mobile, well only mode if they an acquire King from the ABK. Something Sony with large marketshare is doing slowly after seeing how successful and profitable it can be.
Thanks for scrolling down so far and reading this comment.
@Hundred_Hand_Slap You're welcome!
Great games aren't everything? You keep telling yourself that, Philly.
At this point I'm done with xbox and the only reason I'm keeping pc game pass is for the AoG Ally. I want a more powerful portable then the Switch.
@Tharsman
You are right, most Xbox owners already see the writing on the wall and are starting to make googly eyes at one of the hundreds of spanky new PS5s at their local Walmart. All they need to do then is sign up for PS+ Extra and have instant access to many of the best exclusives to come out on console in the last 5 years. It really is a no-brainer.
@grapetrap We should welcome all new playstation gamers.
dont worry phil $ony is shooting their own selves in the foot, its only gonna get worse and worse
@Brundleflies21 theres not a single game thatll make the switch or a nintendo product of the past 10 years diserable , LMAO. there games are , but not their consoles
@BlueBeemer
They got yours...lol...
@grapetrap On May 9 the PlayStation Plus Collection will no longer be offered.
@Fiendish-Beaver That's too much of a general statement, it would depend on the genre of those games and whether they appeal to you or not. If those 4 10/10 games that Xbox released were two Forza'a, Halo and Gears and you have no interest in racers or shooters then you aren't likely to switch. If those interested you then you'd maybe consider it, but chances are you already have an Xbox if that's the case. For me Xbox has always struggled to shake off the "shooter" tag that it had from years ago and I suspect others are the same.
Great games are all I care about. If games like God of War, Horizon, excellent Spider-Man games, and Last of US weren't on Sony, I probably wouldn't have bought a PS4 and then a PS5. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda are the reason I own a Switch. Why do I need an Xbox if almost anything of any value that they offer, I can play on my PC? What is the system selling game for Xbox?
@get2sammyb @LiamCroft
I actually do not agree with the digital library, argument, that is a great thing but only a minority truly go back and play old games.
The fact remains Xbox just doesn't produce any great games, they have completely destroyed all there long lasting ips. And they've produced next to nothing in any fresh new ip but instead buying up the best of the best third party publishers.
To say they can't compete with Nintendo or PlayStation is a cop out. They haven't even tried.
I've been a PlayStation fan since ps1 but that didn't stop me buying an Xbox 360 for all the great first party games they had to offer.
But today PS5 Vs Xbox Series X
I bought a PS5 because I knew I was guaranteed an amazing long list of first party AAAA quality games.
What reason do I have to buy an Xbox Series X??
Halo infinite which is abit of a shambles
Forza not a huge racing fan.
Gears its been a long time since its hay day.
Games which were ment to be third party but aren't now??
Starfield... to me looks like an early last gen game in visuals and static conversation screens of old. Probably be a buggy mess aswel like the rest of their games anyway.
Hellblade 2 peobably the only one what actually looks next gen but God knows when that's coming its been 3 years since they teased it and that was also a developer who was partnered with Sony for the firdt game.
All Microsoft wants to be is the Disney of the gaming world, and they are showing it more and more each time they talk.
So to put it out there. I would buy a Xbox console in a heartbeat if they gave the same amount of care and quality that Sony gives to there first party games and I could trust them to deliver. If Halo us their staple mascot for xbox and thats how good it is. I won't be buying one anytime soon and Phil in that interview has basically said as much.
Reality is I dont even understand the point of an Xbox Series X at this point.
Phil has had enough time to turn things around and he still hasn't and doesn't look it, more like let the veteran third developers pull them out of the mess they are in.
It really does not come down to digital libraries. It truly is the games and Sony always delivers even with blips and quiet periods we know the games are coming.
Xbox each year the fans say its gonna be the year and that year never comes.
Or am I missing the point.
@XenonKnight
I keep forgetting that the PS+ Collection is a thing as I redeemed this offer 2 years ago.
However, all the exclusives on PS+ Extra should still be around for a while. Demon Souls, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman, Ghost or Tsushima, Returnal, Final Fantasy VII Remake. Sure they may come and they may go but for now it's 6 very good games they can play right now. And if they hurry they can still snag that PS+ collection.
@tselliot
They wanted it to be COD but that didn't go over to well...lol...
@LiamCroft you know what? For once i actually agree with you and people should watch the interview and actually listen properly. However your comment about too many fanboys being attracted to this site is a bit strange with it being a playstation site 🤔.
@awp69 the fact of the matter is, xbox dont actually have or are making any great games.
Even their flagship ip Halo is a medicore game.
Doesnt matter what was said in the interview.
There really isn't a reason to buy an Xbox.
Phil has had enough time since taking the range ro get a grip on the internal fiedt party teams and actually make great games and yet we have seen none.
We are 3 years into this gen. I've watched each and every xbox conference they've put out since Phil took over and ive listen to every Xbox fan tell me this is the year we get the games and the games just never come.
We've seen no new fresh ips from xbox, we've had a medicare Halo outing and talk about a reboot of an old N64 game.
Hellblade 2 was announced 3years ago, nothing since, even though the original had partnered up with Sony first.
Phils answer? Buy up every top third party publisher, nick all those games and call them their own.
Playstation sales are truly down to the trust people have in Sonys first party developers because no matter the silence, we know those games will come, some sequels, some remasters/reboots and some fresh new Ip.
Xbox doesn't give us any confidence in any of those types of games.
Its not a fanboy response its just fact.
Well, very obviously that's because XBOX Series doesn't have something interesting like Nintendo Switch have, exclusive games for kids.
Microsoft still have "too cool to make kids games" attitude.
@Bez87 One of the highest rated games of the year, Hi-Fi Rush, is a new IP. Not a fanboy response. Just a fact.
I’m really excited about all the new IPs Sony is bringing to the table this year. Oh wait, there are none…
Guess my PS5 will gather some more dust.
Don't forget about Fable announcement a few years ago and still no gameplay shown.
As gamers, yes, we want to play mediocre, bland, boring, and non-great games. What is he smoking?
Sony and Nintendo are outpacing Xbox because of the current and past gen gaming titles. Nintendo continues succeeding in gaming because of its established great and well-known games.
Why do I get the feeling he's saying this to try and win over the CMA (hope I got the name right)? After all him saying this comes out of nowhere so I think it might have something to do with the Microsoft Activision acquisition.
@nomither6 The irony of you using the $ in Sony when MS have literally been trying to throw billions around is fantastic.
@Wheatly
It’s crazy to me that Microsoft’s best time frame is 2001-2009.
They had such a strong opening salvo for 8 years but they’ve struggled since 2009.
Why do they even need to 'outconsole' them anyway? They can be successful in their own right, that doesn't mean they need to outsell everyone else out there.
For me, consoles are just machines and games are art. We are all here playing and discussing our favorite games because they are important to us; thus, we buy consoles to play these great games.
These comments are really sad comming from a leader since they cause discouragement for his team.
Also his logic is broken because Xbox does not need to win a console war; instead, the company just needs to deliver decent games to 21 miliion people that purchased their consoles in this generation.
I never had an Xbox and never will have one; however, even being a Playstation user since the PS one I feel that Sony needs a competitor to be on their toes.
I don't think Microsoft can't compete. It's more like they just want to make quick big bucks instead of settling down and make great games.
They can't outconsole, so they tried to outActivision the PS5. And so far they failed on both accounts. Meanwhile, Nintendo does it's thing, not bothered by any of it.
@TicklefistCP
Well, he did say:
“ "It's not true that if we go up and build great games, that you'll see console shares go up massively," “
This is what people took issue with. Because what he means is, “it won’t put our share value up fast enough because it will take a couple of generations to regain our reputation and oust a competitor that has been investing well in games for decades. We’d rather just use our Windows Monopoly money to buy up everyone else that attracts players”
@Northern_munkey he prefers Xbox over PS as he has said, but calling people who comment here fanboys, when they help keep him in a job is pretty pathetic
@Blackmagehobbit Absolutely. This is one of those times when I see poor leadership ruins everything.
Microsoft has all the resources and money in the world but he said they can't compete? The only reason that he can't compete is because he thinks that great games aren't everything when he's in the business of gaming.
Great games are literally the only reason why Nintendo is so popular despite their hardware and online support being 2 generations behind. I don't believe he can't see this.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
Yes, not to mention it’s usually people who start throwing that word around that most identify as such, ironically.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I don't prefer Xbox over PlayStation. The comment you're referring to is where I said I preferred playing games on my Xbox Series X due to the playtime tracker being broken on PS5. That appears to have been fixed now, but didn't in the first place mean I prefer Xbox over PlayStation in general. I really like Xbox, but PlayStation is still number one for me.
I think MS tries to change video games from product to service, same as what they did with MS Office.
Not sure if this strategy works for them.
@Hundred_Hand_Slap ....most intelligent sensible comment on here !
@get2sammyb I'm really not convinced by that 30% claim. Considering the scarcity of PS5 systems, I'd find it very odd that a third were purchased by PlayStation newbies. And considering the PS4 was such a juggernaut it seems even less plausible.
@awp69 hi-fi rush was a nice little niche game, well reviewed but short and definitely not a game that interested the average gamer. Not a system seller. It's not even in the top 100 games played on steam(plenty of xbox games are). Yeah it's a nice new ip but not the reason I bought a series x for.
I have the opposite problem from you, my series x gathers dust whilst I'm constantly on my ps5. Thing is I have faith playstation will deliver great games so I don't need to know everything they have coming. That their new IP like ghost of tsushima will be of a great standard. With xbox I have no faith, which is why I've just cancelled GP. And if Starfield turns out to be a donkey I'll probably sell my X. If your ps5 is gathering dust as you say and nothing Sony has coming interests you, you can still get good money selling it. 👍
@LiamCroft @Northern_munkey
Stole the words out of my mouth munkey.
To elaborate on your question for Liam about the fanboy/fangirl comment I do find it also odd that you would post a story about Xbox and Phil Spencer on a Playstation only focused site and suggest anything about fanboyism when the mere posting of this article garners click bait fan boy traffic to an article whenever Xbox is mentioned.
That point aside I think if you take time to listen to the full article kind of like what monkey said and even you Liam I mean there's a lot of interesting stuff said in there and I think overall like you have to give Spencer props here.
Not just for the insightful responses but for him to come on and actually take questions during a terrible review, acquisition failure, and just overall bad software performance/releases this generation thus far from your platform is pretty refreshing when it's just literal radio silence on the Sony end regarding anything.
(Phil's excuses on why Redfall was released in the state it did, was absolute BS though)
This fresh attempt to make themselves appear weak to regulators is truly sad and pathetic to witness. Transparent too.
Xbox it's over.this interview gave no confidence at all.
Get ready for sony price increasements. The competition is crap
More calculated snake oil spin from "Gamer" Phil Spencer...."We can't outconsole Sony & Nintendo"!
Hmm,where have we heard that before? 🙄 Oh yes,the CMA/EU/FTC, we're the tiny 2+trillion indie who can't possibly make better games than our competitors....so we should be allowed to buy as many AAA publishers & 3rd party IP's they have & monopolise those instead of making our own, BUT Sony should make their own COD,its soon easy!🙄
They rushed Redfall out of the creative oven because they needed to feed the Gamepass beast (& cancelling its multiplatform intents,just like other Zenimax Bethesda games once the ink was dry on the contract).
The logic of Gamer Phil's acolytes to apportion blame anywhere but Phil continues to amaze. This was an entirely prepped South Park BP CEO "We're Sorry!"
If they can't manage the vast studios & IP's they already have,how can they possibly be trusted with Activision Blizzard's IP's too?
I think while Nintendo and Sony experimented software and hardware peripherals and have their safe IPs customers are happy and their niche ones (Sony cut back on many though), Microsoft doesn't do eshop games either. Like I'm fine with Pentiment (Obsidian), Song of the Deep (Insomniac), Hifi Rush or Bayonetta Origins having a place.
The marketing for Xbox One was.... ok I guess. I haven't seen a lot of it though I mostly remember certain early ones like the on the couch compared to Sony's perfect day one. I haven't seen much of the other Xbox One ads 2013-2020 at all so I'd have to check some on YouTube.
The Series X/S ads for Gamepass, a few games and odd directions. Like I don't find the wow we have a Halo Grunt, Agent 49 and some female gamers/valentines angle or something (that's the vibe I got I actually have no idea what it was actually going for) I really don't remember and I didn't quite understand at all. The current Gamepass ad I've seen recently I don't care for either. It's interesting seeing what they are trying to sell teens/young adults but it doesn't look inviting in the slightest. The music choice is sigh it's some stuff I cringe at what's popular. I can take EDM that's modern I can't other genre spaces. Even if for a teen audience in the US or so I think they are going for (even if AU advertising) I just find it sad I don't find it catchy at all. Regardless of I already don't need Gamepass and I'm not the target audience they are appealing to I just skip it immediately so I find most Series X/S advertising for Gamepass really weak.
Like there is trying to appeal to a trending kid/teen audience in ads with get a Series S, get Gamepass, while having some games for your adult fan audience that plays the games on the console and brand loyal but it's kind of an odd disconnect of games being made and not much going on of games that aren't Halo and a few third parties in the ads........ Saying to focus on the live services that are big like Roblox/Fornite in news articles and yet your living off current fans that may or may not like all your games the same way Nintendo or Sony fans do. Yeah they have a rough time and angle they want to focus on.
I use my Xbox for third party games I don't see a copy of, backwards compatibility, the odd exclusives very very few on Xbox One I cared for (Sunset Overdrive, ReCore, Rare Replay, Forza Motorsport 5-7). OG Xbox/360 games I care more for and I usually collect retro games or games. Hi-Fi Rush is more what I want to see with that appeal.
It's genres like platformers, racing, hack n slashes, visual novels, tactics. They have a few but not really much for me to care about. Even backwards compatibility for 360 I have a 360. I am using it for Dante's Inferno/Brutal Legend but otherwise eh.
Hellblade is a hack n slash but I don't like Ryse/2018+ God of War. So I have no interest that camera angle and controls annoys me.
Fine games they have but not many are compelling. Even Rare's experimental 360 period I found less compelling than Japan Studio doing better game ideas. Double Fine can offer that sort of thing but even then I don't know.
These days it's third parties for my Xbox One if I see a copy not for PS4 or it's 360 games and if I use them on my 360 because they aren't backwards compatible like say a WRC, Bodycount, Blur or something that's it.
Other than Forza Motorsport 8 I honestly don't care for the Series X.
Third parties, brand loyalty and well shooters/racing/sports gets seen as their sort of what people see them.
If Microsoft can appeal to a European market more I think that would maybe help as the US market they do a fine enough job appealing to I think. Japan and family games yeah.... They are trying.
Like some Japanese AAs I never thought I'd see on Xbox are in Gamepass like Danganronpa. It's too late by this point being on PlayStation most of the time for PSP/Vita/PS4 and Switch users interested in it are either newcomers or likely Vita owners looking to the current handheld option.
That and well you have some like Namco, Capcom and Sega that do a handful of titles that need the power or well appeal to Xbox gamers.
I think Microsoft needs to find that right angle of genres for games, the right theming, the right settings, the right use of their current and new IPs gameplay wise. Some are in the right direction like Minecraft Legends, Gears Tactics but otherwise eh.
It's not too general, @Kevw2006, the point is even if those 4 games appealed to you each year, most people already invested in the PlayStation would not switch. It's not just the quality of the games that the PlayStation has, or may have in the future, it's all the games that you already have in your library. For many people, the expense of buying a console is genuinely a once in a console generation purchase. The possibility of buying both a PlayStation and an Xbox is simply non existent. Once you are invested in a console for a generation or more, switching to another one is not something you would consider, no matter what the quality of the games being pumped out by the opposing console. Most people just would not switch. It is as simple as that. They have their existing library and their friends all in one place. Switching consoles is just not something most people would consider. And thus what Spencer says about having lost in the last generation is exactly right. So I think he has a point when he says it's not about the games, it's about trying something different. I do believe the games are essential, don't misunderstand me, but I do think he is right in saying that games alone won't sway people over to the Green side...
@LiamCroft How dare you like video games in different places
I think Playstation is just generally seen as 'cooler' than Xbox, as more people (famous and non famous) buy them, other people just copy.. games alone can't change that, it's just how it is currently... a bit like how iPhone is just assumed to be cooler, even though Samsung phones (it can be argued!) have much better tech
Let's look at the facts, Xbox WERE competing with playstation during the xbox 360 gen, it was pretty much neck and neck until the end. So xbox can definitely compete, but since Phil took over things have changed, the fact xbox is having problems with most of its studios indicating they can't be managed properly, xbox console sales still nearly being outsold 2:1 vs playstation, struggling to get Japanese games yet during the 360 they did, heck even the 360 had proper quality marketing yet the xbox series don't.
Everyone hails phil because of one thing..... Gamepass. But considering all the negatives can we really say Phil has been a great thing for xbox, or are people just comparing him to Don mattricks mistake making him look like a saint.
Great games don't sell consoles? So how did Nintendo and Sony become market leaders?! Must be all the terrible games they made. People bought their consoles for those. Idiot.
@Mad-Vampire I think Sony had their time experimenting PS1-3 and understand their users better. They understand how to use cinematic games to appeal to a current audience and the experimenting games and peripherals on the side. They had Eye Toy, Move, Playlink (PS4 smartphone party games during the 2013-2015 period I think). Their Singstar/party games for casuals besides good core titles for each studio. The ads don't feel awkward they feel suitable. They have their COD and other trending bundles and ads sure but they also still focus on core titles and it comes across better.
Their current IP and direction don't interest me personally as much as PS1-PS3/PSP/Vita I care for their niche titles and peripherals more these days on PS4/5 but regardless of what I think they are doing a good job and it shows even if I'm the more minority/niche one that just happens to use the platform differently.
Samsung has their regular phones and their experimental phones. LG had experimental phones then dropped out of the market.
Nintendo understands their users better even if their Mario Sports games/Mario Party updates direction is lazy but their core titles fair better in not annoying fans as much as the casual appealing games really suck as being complete games or good games. Their game variety works for them. I'll play all of them the same way I am PS1-3 IPs I missed.
Microsoft sees trends but wants to advertise to that Roblox/Fortnite audience while having mostly the big 3 and cult following titles for completely different audiences and that's kind of confusing. Their current Gamepass ad is confusing, cringey and not appealing at all even their early on at trailer shows were just as confusing and unappealing.
Why buy up studios to have many western RPGs but the ads barely feature any of them regardless of being ready or not. Why barely focus on their studios in advertising as most don't even know what Xbox offers that's I think their problem they seem to miss.
That and while their step back approach is fair it's also not working either. Sony and Nintendo I think do a better job making it clear what's what throughout the year. Sony has 3-4 games of new and the odd remaster. Nintendo has their variety of ready titles of old and new ready.
Microsoft has Age of Empires 2 Definitive, Minecraft Legends, Hi-Fi Rush and the Deathloop/Ghostwire ports but otherwise they don't have the same weight let alone I think notice-ability because they don't advertise them well. The Minecraft Legends ad is fine it does a fair job I think......
Like out of those Hi-Fi Rush is the only one I really cared about but I had other games to play that are old instead to play. Legends looks fine but it's very basic of a strategy game (and then again Minecraft's main updates are ok but modding is all I play it for anyway) it doesn't appeal to me the same way Pikmin 4 will.
They need like an XDev or something to step in. Or better leads. They have their ID at Xbox i guess kind of like that but not so great management for their big studios.
conspiracy theory here: redfall was the latest sacrifical lamb to portray xbox studios as grossly incompetent and uncompetitive. clearly this has stirred up a negative (viral) narrative about xbox more so than ever and what good timing at that! in the midst of the abk acqisition being uncertain and on the verge of falling through, phil is playing the victim and admitting defeat, as if to say that they can no longer be competitive against sony and nintendo. the hope here is that it will bode well for their case and gain the sympathy of EU and US regulators in the coming weeks and months. very sly and deceptive strategy if indeed true. whatever the case, phil is a slimeball who doesn't know how to manage his studios.
I buy playstation consoles because of the games :shrug:
Wow, I guess Spencer and MS have officially tapped out. They were rocking with the original Xbox and 360, but with each subsequent gen, they've delivered stuff I don't want. Taking away the ability to own a physical game, essentially making it a license, pushing digital, pushing Gamepass and just not making games. What happened to their sports division? What happened to Rare? We should be on Battletoads 8, and Perfect Dark 6. Fix your blu ray drive because it sucks. Make fun games. Instead of buying Activision, give Sega that money to make us Jet Set Radio and more Shenmue. Microsoft is such a failure.
I wish Sega, or someone would re enter the console race. Dreamcast 2 please.
It is a good idea to watch/listen to the full Kinda funny podcast to get full context on the comments - because it seems many have misinterpret his comments on outselling PS5 and focus on games. He never said games are not important which you would know if you actually watched the whole podcast.
What he said was obvious - Xbox lost the last generation - a vital one for digital libraries and the fact the days of cut and dry generational games are gone.
He said good games won't get the Xbox outselling PS5 which is inherently true. They could have the next 5 games 10/10 in the space of a year and they will never sell what PS5 does. The same as PS5 will never outsell Nintendo no matter how big their games are. It's just facts and I feel like there is a lot of Sony bias in the comments. I'd love to hear Jim Ryan speak as openly as Phil Spencer does.
@Darylb88
While I don’t doubt many skipped the video, plenty of us watched it and easily saw through the same old fake sad sack routine from Spencer.
“When you’re third place in the console market place and the top two players are as strong as they are and have, um, in certain cases, very very discreet focus on doing deals and other things that will, um kind of make being Xbox hard for us as a team…”
Come on, he’s clearly making tactical statements (or what Microsoft hopes) here. Another “woe is me” claim to appear weak from a multi-trillion dollar company. Everything he said in that interview that shines an unflattering light on themselves is by design.
Spencer has been speaking from the same playbook for years. Don’t fall for that pivot in the final minutes of that interview.
Here is a really out their ideal!! How about making some good games and putting them out their and try it on and see what happens?? They have road halo to hell . Yes do anything but make good games on a console for video games and duh your not going to sell .
This man just single handedly destroyed wutever was left of the morale of xbox 1st party studios and destroyed any hope for xbox gamers I think this man doesn't want his job anymore
This guy talks way too much. His incessant yapping reminds me of Keith Renieri. Speaking just to hear himself speak. It’s also funny to me how people says “Phil always knows what to say…” Um, yeah. Because he always has to say it.
@LiamCroft you're welcome by the way liam..i dont usually side with you guys but dont feel like you need to acknowledge it or anything👍
xbox got 3 systems out at once PC,xbox series X/S and no games fake PS5
Series x is being outsold nearly 4-1 now it’s embarrassing
Ya just hate to see it.
It's ALL about the games, Phil. That said, his admission comes as a surprise, but it's obvious what they have been trying to do since the One X: Brute force their games with the highest-spec'd hardware just to be able to say "Our 3rd party games offer a few more pixels than on Sony's machine!"
FAIL. Microsoft consoles & hardware hardly push the medium forward. Iterative; not innovative. Let's just roll out the same controllers from the last 2 gen's then call it a day ...
Absolute rubbish. Why do I need to buy a GAMING console if it will not provide me with GREAT GAMES. Ibthink this guy should be fired. And thiis is exactly why MS deal to buy Activision shoukd be stopped at all costs. Redfall is one of many examples to come. And maybe he is simply telling lies to try and turn the buyout into MS favor which is also unacceptable 🤔
I really want to play Starfield but I think I'll shell out for a new PC rather than buy an Xbox.
@Northern_munkey It’s nice to agree on something for once 🙂
Lots of reasons for this and I'll maintain that Gamepass is a great deal for gamers overall. However there are problems with a subscription model - and that is that content is king and users are fickle. It needs a flow of great content and the second that wobbles you lose momentum. You need constant reasons why someone should continually give you money. For example, people keep Netflix because they like Stranger Things or Bridgerton or something but they need to keep finding new shows like that. Same with gamepass. If you aren't using it then it is worthless. The issue is that current AAA cycles are now very very long and you need an efficient supply chain. Their answer has been to buy that supply chain but it doesn't guarantee success.
His last answer has nearly concreted my decision to sell my Series X and move to PS5. It's obvious he and Microsoft are fully committed to turning Xbox to a service now and not a platform, they'll put more resources into Xcloud and Game Pass. The reason games have been running better on PS5 is because Xbox introduces an entirely new development platform this gen. Sony just updated their old one. Add that to Phil's 'hands off' approach to studios including their own, and you can see what games have struggled, teams aren't experienced enough to utilise the new toolsets and platform but isn't providing the support they need to.
Sony is actively going to studios including third party ones and helping them optimise games for its platform.
And then he said we can't make a 11 out of 10 Starfield game. We want our creators to be creative! So they can make any crap they like and not chase decent review scores?
One of my favourite games this gen, and the one that helped nudge me towards Xbox is in PS5, The Ascent, and a lot of others I like too are so I'm going 'back' to PlayStation, I only have time for one console. Maybe a Switch too, and that won't be Xbox moving forward.
Read between the lines and look at Microsoft's business model and I doubt they'll have a console next gen. I also doubt here in the UK they will get ActiBliz either, but having learnt the huge share of cloud streaming services MS has a grip on I'm not surprised. MS must have known that and that it would be a stumbling block.
I would say they need to stop buying the biggest games studios and put more effort into what they have, but as Phil showed here that's not their business model now.
I should add personally I have played a handful of games from Game Pass and they've been great, but none have been MS ones, I've tried Forza and Halo and then kinda stopped playing them. Gears is the one series I love and I played that one, it would be the one game to keep me on Xbox but there is no news of any new one coming.
Quick Resume has been Xbox's most redeeming feature to be honest. That works brilliantly. So I'll probably keep my Series X and get a PS5 Slim and find time for both. But I won't be buying another Xbox.
"It's not true that if we go up and build great games, that you'll see console shares go up massively," Spencer states. "If we focused on great games, that doesn't mean we'll win the console race."
That to me is the problem I have with MS. What he means is that he won’t get market domination or instant success. What he fails to realise, yes you will get gamers on your platform owing to some kind of eco system model but ultimately gamers care about games. That is why both Nintendo and Sony continue to beat MS (even with their substantially deep pockets).
His comments are a smack in the face to some of the awesome development teams Microsoft owns. If Microsoft stopped trying to convince people to lock into a DRM subscription ecosystem and concentrate on making amazing games more people would buy the games and buy the consoles, thus getting people into their ecosystem. His comments are baffling.
@Chaosbros Exactly, but sadly they are obsessed with making everything a service now. But I only really care about Gears Of War and State Of Decay. At least one of those is getting a sequel at some point, but I'll buy those games. All I've really played in Game Pass are brilliant indie games like Deliver Us The Moon or The Gunk. That's where I've found value and I haven't played a lot either.
Had to go through so much nonsense from people who completely missed his point. I don't like him as much as the next guy, but his point stands. The fact that most people here can't understand his argument (which as simple as it gets), is quite alarming. And it's not even fanboyism clouding most people's judgment, since most here are critical of Sony all the time.
It's a serious problem of reading comprehension. Perhaps people have gotten used to reading headlines and being outraged instead of paying attention to the actual content.
Thankfully, here and there, there is the voice of reason. Liam hit the nail on the head.
@LiamCroft but I may get by an Xbox if starfield is incredible. Just like how I bought a switch ready for the new Zelda game.
@obiwan3001 but how many people think and act the way you do? Business people care about the bigger picture.
@Mad-Vampire very well said.
@awp69 man Sony fanboys are going wild on this one. Xbox may win => they go wild. Xbox can't win => they go wild. I wonder if there's a brain at work somewhere or if it's just a matter of shooting down the other side no matter what. It's honestly disgusting.
@LiamCroft 👍
The Wii U was a disaster and now the Switch is running rings around the competition. Brand loyalty is no substitute for a compelling product.
@thefourfoldroot1 I can't afford to drop £1000+ on 2/3 systems each generation, so I'm not going to be in multiple eco systems (I've even managed to avoid a switch despite having way more reason to be in it's ecosystem too). So having bought a PS4 after having an Xbox 360 and having that huge library of digital games now on PS4 then yes it really does matter alot, I don't want to leave those games behind now. So Xbox have to seriously go above and beyond to move the player base they would need in order to compete again. It will take awhole lot more than Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield imo no matter how good they have the potential to be.
@BlaizeV
But you don’t have to leave them behind. You can easily pick another platform even if it’s next gen and still retain the console and games you’ve built up. When deciding which one to get you’ll surely be deciding based on anticipated games coming out, not ones you’ve already bought because you already have those. Unless you always sell your old consoles to buy the new ones of course.
@DiggleDog But all the previous Nintendo handhelds performed incredibly well, including 3ds.
@naruball a few million I reckon. Then it grows more because people are sheep.
@LiamCroft why would he want people to sell thier ps5's though 🤔 it's such a weird comment. Make consistently good games and people will buy your gaming box, regardless of if they own other things!
What have they been doing for the past ten years, to now come out and say this. It takes actual planning and effort to release games yearly that people want to build up a user base, right? It's not like they've just realised. They have not really been focused on games for the entire life cycle of their gaming division, to be frank 😬
And that is no one else's fault, is it?
It won't be long until they drop the "well you can have Starfield and Elder Scrolls, if you allow gamepass on PlayStation" bombshell. But really, they might have to offer some games up anyway, if no-one ends up playing them because "they can't sell consoles"
@awp69 you have stated 1 game, which actually backs up my comment. That the only way they can get games is buy out already well respected third party publishers, with many developers under them.
Phil Spencer from taking over hasn't done anything to get a good stable of internal developers making top quality games on a regular basis, he talks the talk but hasn't really done much.
Yes Sony hasn't got anything to show for 2023, apart from Spiderman 2 right now and final fantasy 16.
But we've literally just had God Of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West and its DLC. Before that we had Returnal, Rachet and Clank, Demon Souls, Ghost Of Tsushima, probably missed some.
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a realist. Ill buy any console aslong as there are good games I cant get anywhere else.
Just like I have a PS5, for all the great exclusives, I have a Nintendo Switch for all the great exclusives, I have a very good gaming pc, for some third party games but more so for simulation and management games which you can only get on PC.
I'm still waiting for reasons to cash in on an Xbox Series X.
@Fiendish-Beaver If I've built up massive library of games on PS4 I still have that PS4 that I can use to play those games if I wish to. Sure it may not be an idea situation for everyone but I still don't see why having a huge library of games built up on a previous console ties me to that console going forward if I can still access them on the very console I originally bought them on.
OK, so sell me ES6 and Starfield for my PS5, if you're OK with me not buying an Xbox. I'd be delighted to pay you for both and probably all of the expansion packs to follow.
@theMEGAniggle Meh, about better games. Cause let’s be honest, the big Xbox 360 selling point wasn’t Halo and Gears, it was CoD. When you and your bros got sick of getting Gnashered in gears and got bored of Halo. Most just hop on CoD. So Xbox being a better place to play cod with a mostly solid 60, and first dibs on DLC meant more than better games.
GREEDY, SLIMY Xbox is trying to play the underdog and pull the wool over our eyes so it can buy Call of Duty, World of Warcraft, and everything else under the sun. They won't stop until every other video game company is out of business and they're the only ones left standing. Just look at Game Pass. Nice try, Xbox!
@AverageGamer it was definitely halo and gears. I had a PS3 and loved it but it had nothing compared to those games. Fable, saints row 1 too. And yes obviously COD on the 360 was great memories.
Maybe it's because I wasn't a fan of MGS at the time but I had LBP 1, Warhawk, infamous and though they were great, it just didn't hit the same as when I'd hop on the 360 and go on a party. And as everyone knows the third party games were just better on it. Everything changed though from 2010 onwards. PS3 started to get killer games and they haven't looked back since.
It’s alarming how many people came away from that interview without feeling like something was off. The amount of people confusing Spencer’s “candidness” for honesty is frightening. How many times does this man have to lie to you before it sinks in?
@AverageGamer nah call of duty is big but is not everything
@ShabdRider bro stop the high moral sermon. its videogames who cares if people argue about it, do you also feel disgusted when people that like sport brag about their team or trash talk other people's team??? its normal dude you give yourself and the topic itself too much important, you just want to feel high and mighty
@nomither6 lmao the ps5 is selling like hotcakes and it even surpassing sony's forecast, how its that shooting themselves in the foot?? sound more like wishful thinking bc you butthurt that PS5 is mopping the floor with xbox XD
@LordBakemono yeah im so butthurt that i should sell my ps5 to goofy fanboys
For a fanboy of video games Spencer claims to be he has no clue what he is doing? I remeber the original xbox erra and the 360 erra . Peter Moore was over xbox then brought him on board when Sega went to become a publisher and by his side was Jay alerd and Samus Black those three were the Rockstars of xbox! They pushed for online and xbox live and after the modding scene off the original xbox they showed the dash to Bill gates and said this is what users want in 360. Exclusives were top end and they advertised heavily . Only on xbox ! Only on xbox! Was on the commercials and the box art of the games. Mountain dew auctions post launch to enter bottle caps for a chance to bid. The xbox brand was well on its way to become a worthy contender for Sony and Nintendo. Then Peter Moore went to EA and we got the guy who ruined xbox one at e3 with forced online and the kinect. Then they got Spencer to me is everyone's buddy but knows nothing about how to utilize the brand of xbox and I have to say he really has no excuse Microsoft has backed him with buying up all these game developers and studios and talent and still has not produced nothing that woes the gamers. He is wasting resources and the people's lives under his umbrella that want to create art and entertainment. This guy is just a talker. They have pretty much made the xbox brand a streaming box in your home for a streaming service with JUST OK third party games. Yes Microsoft had a hefty bank account but like all companies in it to make money. I do see them one day ending the xbox brand maybe keeping the xbox gamer pass and rebranding to Microsoft gaming pass. Also hope they don't buy up any more studios or developers because you will never hear of them if that happens.
I think Spencer is missing the point entirely. If your games are good enough, people will play them even if they are established in another ecosystem. For example, I have a PS5 and PlayStation has been my main console for over a decade...but I also have a Switch, because Nintendo's 1st party games are incredible and I don't want to miss out on them. Xbox has no exclusives that even remotely come close to the 1st party offerings from Sony and Nintendo, and that has always been and always will be a problem for them in my opinion.
That's also true just dident wont to write a biography on Microsoft for the past decades. I disagree thou when it comes to the games they had blockbuster ips but during the original xbox and 360 Era. Since then their has been very little effort In keeping the hype up they could have helped their selves. Yes the ps3 was overpriced and yes red ring of death. But they had great momentum. They let it pass them by.
Glad to hear he knows the truth! PS5 games are the best
Do you guys not think that Microsoft looks at numbers before making these kinds of statements and these decisions?
First party games DO NOT sell as well as 3rd party games (maybe on switch but I'm not sure) that is a fact and the numbers are out there.
Secondly, during the Xbox one era I think it's fair to say that Xbox were putting out bangers like Titanfall, quantum break, sunset overdrive, dead rising 3, killer instinct, Sony gave us a last of us remaster and killzone shadow fall and yet Xbox still lost despite having a much stronger first party offering straight out the gate.
Look at Bayonetta 3 on switch, that game is fantastic but did anybody buy it?? Well I did but y'know what I'm saying.
What has Sony given us so far this year, forspoken!? Yet they still sell consoles like hotcakes in 2023, it speaks for itself
In short, Microsoft gave up on trying to compete and is trying to rig the market by monopolising it through infrastructure and buying off the biggest third parties.
Aka... they want to rob us of choice and build a monopoly. Microsoft in a nutshell and why they are bad for gaming.
I left behind my playstation library in favour of Xbox at the start of this generation so he's wrong about people not willing to do that. It looked like MS had learned their lesson, but broken promises and constant disappointments finally forced me to buy a PS5. It's nice to have a console to be proud of again ran by a company who care about the quality of their games. If only Xbox did the same Phil.
@DKGXX85
"First party games DO NOT sell as well as 3rd party games "
GOD OF WAR 2018 :23 MILLION
GHOST OF TSUSHIMA :9.73 MILLIONS
GOD OF WAR RAGNAROK :11 MILLIONS LAST TIME I CHECKED
UNCHARTED 4 : 15 MILLION
HORIZON ZERO DAWN : 20 MILLIONS
LAST OF US 2 : 10 MILLIONS
I could go on and on and on
"Do you guys not think that Microsoft looks at numbers before making these kinds of statements"
I think you're the one that should look at the numbers before stating something as ludicrous as this, first party games dont sell XD LOL
Wow, @UltimateOtaku91!
You are correct in that Xbox was competing, during the 360 era, but all that work was undone during the absolutely disastrous Xbox showcase reveal of the Xbox One. The focus on 'Entertainment Centre', the whole TV, TV, TV debacle, and being forced to buy the console and the Kinect as a package, meant that the Xbox One got off to a terrible start, and the PlayStation popularity surged as people switched in the their millions from Green to Blue. Effectively, the Xbox brand acquired an awful reputation (some deserved, some not) and the consequence was that not only did people desert the platform, but so to did developers.
In 2014, when Phil Spencer took over, the Xbox ship was not just in rocky waters, it was sinking. Until he took over, Microsoft had shown little interest in the subsidiary and indeed, reports suggest, they were actively considering shuttering it. What Spencer has achieved is to gain huge investment from Microsoft, investment that may never have been forthcoming had he not been in charge. He has given a vision for Xbox that Microsoft, and many gamers, have bought into, and completely changed their mindset. I won't deny that the ship remains in turbulent waters, but the ship is not floundering as it was at the point that he took over. It takes time to address the multitude of problems that the Xbox had, but he is making progress.
Your argument seems to be that because Xbox did compete during the 360 ear, that they should be doing so now, however that completely ignores the facts as they were at the time that he took over. Effectively, for every one Xbox gamer, there are three gamers on the PlayStation. Xbox is entirely unable to secure third-party exclusives because of this, so everything has to be home-grown, and this, in part, is why Xbox are buying/attempting to buy publishers, they need exclusives now. The gap between the two consoles is widening, and they need to fill that gap now. They cannot wait, or, as is already quite possibly the case, Xbox will never recover. This is why Game Pass is so essential to the Xbox. It is something they do that is different, that sets them apart from the others. And for Game Pass, content is king, which is why the ABK acquisition is so important.
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With all that said, is Spencer often too positive or negative in his public statement? Probably yes, but even his comments regarding the current predicament of the Xbox though very bleak, are likely also very true. It's just shocking to hear someone in his position say it. It doesn't make it any less factual though. Is he too hands-off? Maybe, but we should soon see whether this is actually the case, as a number of high-profile releases should begin to release in the second half of this year, and is he can achieve his stated aim of releasing one big exclusive every quarter, then his management style may no longer be in question. I'm not sure what people expect of his though; if he keeps sacking studio heads because they are falling behind schedule, or keeps binning games before they are released, those same people will be just as unhappy. What he has done beyond question is change the gaming landscape with the introduction of Game Pass (anyone that honestly believes that Sony would have implemented their version without having to compete against the GP is deluded), and for that alone, I believe he should be given sufficient time to implement his vision. Granted that may only be another two or three years, but he should still be afforded that time...
@BlueBeemer That's irrelevant. They want a monopoly and are taking steps for it. That stiffles competition and is bad for consumers. It's not the first time they have done it either. So, the buyout was duly blocked and it's great news for consumers. Also, don't act like this wouldn't have effects on the console market as well because it would.
You're absolutely right, @BlueBeemer. I think the best the Microsoft can hope now is that people buy an Xbox as their second console. For most, it will not, and never will be, their first choice. Not now. Brand loyalty is a strong pull, and once you have built up a large library of games, and a few friends that you game with often on one system, it takes something special (or catastrophic!) to break that loyalty. This is why Xbox is trying something different in Game Pass; it is an almost desperate attempt to offer something that differentiated them from the PlayStation (though obviously, with Sony now doing their own version (which would not exist were it not for Game Pass) the impact of Game Pass is somewhat lessened).
If Xbox can improve on their first-party games, and the frequency of them, and keep the library of games growing in the Game Pass, they may be capable of enticing people into buying an Xbox as their second console. However, the affordability of owning two top-tier consoles, and at least one subscription service, may well be beyond most. Plus also, for many, they won't support Xbox no matter what, despite the fact that only strong competition keeps the front runners grounded, affordable and innovative...
Again, you're spot on, @BlueBeemer
@BlueBeemer I don't think the PC market is independent from the "console" market as you want to call it. Much the same high profile games and most new realeases come with PC versions. PC is very much a part of the console gaming space and an important platform mostly thanks to Steam. You can consider it a console of sorts. It runs the same games and gets constant hardware upgrades alongside consoles, often ahead. They are very much on the same space.
But the PC is much more than that cause it doesn't have an owner.
@BlueBeemer Why are you so obsessed with Sony and Microsoft? The market is not only them. It's PC and Switch as well. The same games come across to them.
Heck mobile is part of it as well but i don't include cause it's games are mostly different but there has been some cross as well.
When talking about the gaming market you cannot just carve a little bit in the form of playstation and Xbox and pretend they don't compete with other gaming devices. It's just not the reality we live in. Even if you want to insist on seperating them, even you have to see that there is cross between them.
Surely you've seen commenters here saying how they are building their rig since all PS and Xbox exclusives are coming to PC these days. How is that not a competitor?
@LordBakemono
I didn't say they don't sell, I said they don't sell as well as third party games.
FiFA and COD sell more on just Playstation than any of the first party titles. These games can sell up to 10+ million copies on their first week alone.
What are you on about?
Microsoft had a good console with the Xbox 360, had that generation in the bag while Sony struggled with weird hardware, and then they blew consumer confidence with the Xbox One and their anti-consumer practices.
As a result, they handed Sony the last generation and Sony sold 2:1 despite having the, on paper, weaker console.
Sony built a brand in the back of that mistake. For the Players. They also built good games and fostered studio's creativity.
So Phil Spencer can try flood the media with "oh we're losing really badly so we need this unfair deal to survive" all he wants but we know what he's up to.
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