It’s been mercifully quiet on the Microsoft front these past two weeks, and may we underline how beautifully blissful it’s been! But of course, the Redmond firm’s well imbursed legal team hasn’t stopped putting in the overtime, as it seeks to overcome the final hurdle in its unfathomable $69 billion buyout of Activision Blizzard: the UK’s regulator, the Competition & Markets Authority.
The last we heard, the duo had postponed plans for a hearing, while it attempted to hammer out some kind of deal. This follows the regulator’s decision to block the acquisition on the basis of the emerging cloud gaming market. Since then, the European Commission has given it the greenlight and the Federal Trade Commission has lost in court, leaving the buyout on the precipice.
Sony, perhaps sensing the direction the wind is blowing, has since signed a decade-long deal to keep Call of Duty on its platforms – although at this stage, we can probably assume the likes of Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater will soon be lost forever. That, unfortunately, is just the way the cookie crumbles.
Even though the CMA never blocked the deal on the basis of consoles, Microsoft has pointed to Sony’s signature as a reason it should now allow the deal to pass. In a document submitted to the department, it said that the buyout “ensures that perhaps the most powerful player in the video games industry will have access in the long term to the Activision game it considers most important”.
The Redmond firm also noted a deal it signed with cloud gaming company NWare, which was inked days after the CMA’s decision. For these reasons, it’s urged the division to reconsider its conclusion. Personally, these strike us as weak incentive to reconsider based on the regulator’s original conclusions, but it seems increasingly obvious to us that everyone involved is just looking to save face here.
Microsoft now has until 18th October to close the acquisition, after extending its deadline with Activision Blizzard earlier in the month. Clearly it still has hurdles to work through with the UK’s regulator, but it looks like it’s only a matter of time before this deal closes now.
[source eurogamer.net]
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Don't want to hear any more about this until it's finalized. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Never mind we'll have f2p Skate eventually 😀 every cloud and all that.
@Smiffy01 Can't wait for that!
The CMA was the only regulator that got it right and wasn't blocked by a hostile judge. May they continue to hold out and prevent Microsoft from further damaging the industry we all love.
Can't wait to stop hearing about this acquisition. Wouldn't be surprise if the ftc tries something before October.
I hope the CMA hold out as long as they can. It’s hilarious seeing MS squirm.
@TheCollector316 You mean the judge hand picked by the FTC? You mean the judge who understands the video games business? You mean the judge that that told the FTC that their case was not to protect Sony but consumers? You mean the judge who is liberal and was hand picked by Biden? Stop spreading misinformation to support your own narrative.
I am rooting for the underdog. Xbox has always been in last place so they need ABK to survive.
Can't wait for blizzard to suck once they are MS's, oh wait ... lol
Don’t care at this point. I’ll be done with ABK once complete and would rather put my money elsewhere, just like i ultimately have to with bethesda
@Triumph741 The multi-trillion dollar underdog?
I'm over this at this point. Would be funny if the CMA ultimately still kills the deal, but it won't matter. Xbox can't manage the studios they have. What do you think is gonna happen when the suddenly have to manage the biggest third party publisher on the planet that happens to also publish one of the biggest gaming franchises on the planet, on a yearly basis?
@Triumph741
I hardly consider a company that strong-arms regulators and other companies into doing their bidding the underdog. Microsoft should never be considered the underdog in any situation when it comes to any tech, market leader or not.
If Microsoft has 69 billion to spend on hoarding IPs they have half that amount to develop their own new ones to compete properly
@MikeOrator Well, they already plainly stated they aren't trying to compete. They are trying to spend their competition out of business.
Loving the clearly biased comments here. If Xbox goes for an acquisition, bad decision and must be stopped. If Playstation does the same, yay for gamers!
@theSpectre
That's what Im saying. Microsoft is not the underdog.
@TheCollector316 Jeez are you still that bitter that this deal is going through?
Sorry but no, CMA blocked only because of cloud gaming, they didn’t have any concerns in the console and PC markets, and everyone agreed that it was unreasonable to block the whole merger based on a market that is currently almost not existent, sure there might be some legitimate concerns, but the EU tackled them by making an agreement with Microsoft which is actually beneficial for every company currently pushing for Cloud Gaming.
There’s a reason as to why 40+ countries approved the merger, some even unconditionally, and that is because it’s not anticompetitive, sure PlayStation might stop getting long-running franchises (not CoD) but the same thing happens to every platform as everyone has their own exclusives, I’m actually excited to see PlayStation compete more aggressively with Xbox since in recent years they’ve been rather complacent, and honestly everyone who’s not a fanboy should be able to see it.
@theSpectre @MikeOrator business-wise yeah, Microsoft is a beast, but the category/market of the video game industry, Yes, Microsoft is actually the underdog.
Sony business-wise is also a beast and they are the mega supreme leader in the gaming industry market. Plus Sony’s business strategy is actually a monopoly, according to the regulators. That’s why Microsoft is actually winning against them.
Plus, Microsoft isn’t taking all the games against them away. PlayStation still has the MMOs, call of duty, and Minecraft.
@TheCollector316 @cburg they never seem to include all those facts do they. This Judge was handpicked by the FTC. MS wanted the case to be in Washington and the FTC said NO it’s happening in California with this judge and now it’s MS’s fault the FTC had no case. Thank you for providing the facts and i don’t expect anyone to care but at least it helps others that didn’t know the facts of the case.
@HonestHick This judge was assigned by California based on her experience with the previous lawsuit. She came in with a pro-MS stance (her son works for MS). The FTC was fighting an uphill battle the whole time and yet the FTC's lawyer still did a terrible job. That said, it's also pathetic watching the MS execs acting like weak crybabies because they can't compete on their own merits against a much smaller company.
Watching the FTC lose was glorious. Gotta love those rare cases where government overreach is denied. Now the CMA looks like a joke (also glorious) and needs MS to give them an out by making another "concession" that MS doesn't actually care about.
Based on the last State of Play, it looks like Sony is the one that isn’t really doing anything with their IP’s.
@IOI Doesn't matter. It's likely to go through and when it does, Xbox fanboys (and Microsoft themselves) will still whine about Spider-Man being exclusive.
@Sekijo You can justify it however you like, doesn't mean your justifications are fair. It would be clear to most people that a lot of users here are being incredibly biased against MS/towards Sony when they do essentially the same thing.
@theSpectre Sony Vs MS i could care less about. I own both as they both offer games and features i like enough to play and own. The X-factor if you will is my hands prefer the layout of the Xbox controller over PS’s layout. But i didn’t like this administration of the FTC. They are just bullies and not for the law, hence they are 0-4 in big cases. Meanwhile you have companies doing things that do need looked into and that was brought up when Khan was in front of congress and they grilled her. The CMA literally couldn’t explain their math in front of a Judge and the MS lawyers and Judges made the CMA look dare i say a little dumb for a lack of better words. The UK and 40 others counties got it right while the ones that wanted to flex their power didn’t have their T’s crossed and I’s dotted. Again for people that want to argue Xbox vs PS, have at it, i am not into that talk much as again i own and enjoy both. But the FTC and CMA wasted tax payers money and gamers defending them didn’t watch the case they are just on the side of their preferred console.
@theSpectre smaller!?! How small do you think Sony is?
Phil Spencer’s has come out and said that Microsoft has already lost the console wars back in 2017 if I remember correctly, he’s also said a number occasions that none of Microsoft studio’s can match naughty dog, which Phil believes is the best studio at making games.
There’s also proof back in the original Xbox that they never wanted to buy publishers/big studios. They didn’t start doing that until Sony started showing their monopoly like strategy Ways and flexing that they can get exclusives from third-party developers at a Way cheaper price and still be profitable.
Sony didn’t really give them much choice. It was smart by Sony because it allowed them to be a monopoly and Microsoft didn’t really understand the gaming business. Phil has a pretty good grasp. But in order to fix the issue, they had to start buying big IP’s to shift the momentum for equal ground.
If you look up Microsoft reviews on their first party games, they have actually been pretty successful. The problem is is there’s no point in me buying Forza, when I have Gran Turismo, Forza Horizon alternative need for speed.
Thinking about it, the actual best outcome is if the acquisition drags on indefinitely rather than a definitive answer because it puts future acquisitions at a standstill. You see all this speculation and rumours about Microsoft acquiring SEGA and Sony acquiring Square Enix but that kind of stuff won't happen if the Activision acquisition is still in limbo.
The Activision acquisition deadline extension showcases that Microsoft and Activision have no interest in giving up so if regulators kept the acquisition in limbo indefinitely then problem solved.
Id rather let MS have call of duty and make them share all the other IP's if im honest.
@Grumblevolcano you need to do more research. Microsoft can already close the deal. The reason they have, is because they want to make more acquisitions.
If the CMA doesn’t approve it, Microsoft can’t sell games in the UK anymore, that’s it. Microsoft has already come out and said they’ll close if the CMA doesn’t approve it.
@lightningbolt79 If Sony were to buy Square Enix, as most people seem to want, then you may have a point. Although given what happened at the Final Fantasy fan Fest on Friday that seems quite unlikely now.
@theSpectre The judge was not biased. Give me a break. Microsoft crying like babies? By the way, who was the one crying to regulators all over the world? The head of the market leader by a wide margin Jim Ryan. Again, stop spreading misinformation to support your own narrative. People act like they only want one company (Sony) to dominate them all.
Crash and Spyro (amongst many others) have already been lost for years, Activision are the worst publisher around and base their business on pure greed and exploiting their players. I say good riddance.
@UltimateOtaku91 I agree with you. Phil Spencer has said he wants to rebuild those studios and get rid of the COD model (where there’s a COD every year), so the studios can work on other things.
Looking forward to playing Diablo and Starcraft on Game Pass eventually, and not needing battle.net for their games.
@lightningbolt79 what has PS bought that has stripped the ability to play for others? Most stuff was always second party. Bungie is the Outlier and was bought for advisement on other projects and stays multiplatform
Y'all do realize that as long as you keep arguing in the comments those boring news are gonna keep getting posted?
@McBurn correct. See if you can spot the lie in the intro to this article:
"It’s been mercifully quiet on the Microsoft front these past two weeks, and may we underline how beautifully blissful it’s been!"
(hint: it's all the words)
Imagine if all push had to talk about all summer was Spidey 2! lol
Meanwhile you're sniffing your parasitic nose up Square Enix's butt who have always had a great relationship with PlayStation and nobody is questioning your email to "spend Sony out of business" which is happening right under their noses.
I'd urge you to compete by creating actual games and IP's and actually contribute to the industry rather than buy everything and limit people's choices.
@GADG3Tx87 why would anyone one question "spend Sony out of business"? I'm not sure if you guys get business but the entire point is to defeat the other companies so you are the last one standing.
Do you guys know why the Berlin Wall fell? Why the USSR doesn't exist today (kind of)? It is because the United States spent the USSR out of business in the arms race and the Afgan war.
It is a technique. What you cannot have you take away from the competitor. The court's question was how does it harm the end user. It is not the job of the courts to discover how it hurts the other company, as long as they are not practicing illegal anti-competitive measures(focus on the word illegal here folks) , - as the ever-inept FTC found out the hard way - embarrassing itself once again.
@cburg wow, you seem to be taking that personally. I said nothing about Jim Ryan (of whom, I'm not a fan). But MS execs were and are whining trying to paint themselves as a scrappy, trillion dollar underdog who won't stop moaning about Sony's Spider-Man game.
@Deshalu Microsoft net worth: $2.4 trillion, Sony's net worth: $160 billion. Microsoft is 15 times bigger than Sony.
Crash Bandicoot exclusive to Xbox. Who would have guessed
get them to throw Elder Scrolls 6 into the deal
I bet they are just itching & twitching, impatiently waiting on devouring all that micro-transaction money now that they have acquired like a bunch of money hungry pigs.
(All the games they have bought are just that)
@theSpectre that was your only rebuttal back? Nothing about Sony being the market leader in the gaming industry/market, and displaying monopoly tendencies. So, you avoided everything I said.
Microsoft in the video game market is not $2.2 trillion. Remember we’re talking about the Gaming market, you’re trying to include stuff that has nothing to do with video games. Which is what the trade commission’s are supposed to look into, because that’s the market that’s trying to make the merger.
Sony is 2nd for video game publishing profit.
Microsoft is 5th in console publishing, 9th or 10th in video game PC, almost none existing in Mobile market.
Tencent is an unstoppable force.
@theSpectre I don't care to get too involved in this as honestly I'd rather this just got pushed through and we all moved on, but anybody thinking that Microsoft didn't come off as whining about being behind Sony during this is just delusional or whatever. They only have themselves to blame for being in the position they are both in the market and in terms of exclusive games. They sat there for over a decade watching their lead and momentum with the Xbox 360 complete evaporate by relying on a handful of series and nothing else. Their lack of exclusives is because of themselves, not Sony.
Anybody who thinks this getting permanently blocked would be a good thing isn't thinking it through. I it gets blocked, Microsoft will just go after other major but smaller developers and publishers. That's worse than them buying a company that has Call of Duty, Diablo, and almost nothing else active anybody cares about.
@theSpectre hey let’s put it this way. All the regulators agree that this merger doesn’t hurt the console market, consumers, or the console leader, even the CMA said they agree with that.
The CNA is looking at the cloud gaming market, which even Sony thinks is a joke. Google even talked about how expensive it was and it was nonprofitable at all.
PlayStation gamers and some Xbox gamers have complain for years that Microsoft has no IP‘s. I think xbox has IP‘s and the games have had great reviews, they just don’t appeal to everyone.
Now that they have a IPs people are complaining but everyone is now talking about Xbox and taking them seriously. That’s a good sign for competition, quality, more and better games.
The competition is definitely up!
If you can’t beat them, buy them out. Yeah, I have even less incentive over an Activision buyout than I did with Bethesda. Someone else will fill the void, they always do.
@KilloWertz Microsoft whining? Both Sony and Microsoft were whining. But Sony was whining more than anybody, Jim Crybaby Ryan flow across the world crying! lol.
I agree with you about Microsoft putting themselves in this position. Phil Spencer talks about this a lot during the Xbox one era when Dan mattrick was running the show.
Now the only way to draw people back in is to get popular IP‘s, which I think is actually pretty smart because again people are now talking about Xbox again, even if it’s a bad publicity, but bad publicity isn’t always bad, It’s actually sometimes good and I think this is good.
Competition is definitely up. Sony’s gonna be fine. They still have the more popular IP’s.
@Deshalu They came off as whining at the very least, literally blaming Sony for their shortcomings and not taking the blame when it is their own fault. Yes, Jim Ryan and friends were whining about Call of Duty and such, but that's not what I was talking about.
It's hard for me to have much respect for Xbox given how they chose to talk about the position they are in, and in turn decide to just buy up huge companies in order to fix their self inflicted problems. It's good to have better competition so Sony doesn't get too complacent, but anybody who screws things up as royally as Xbox did and then point the finger at somebody else for it doesn't really deserve really anybody's respect.
Full disclosure, I actually have a Series X, so technically none of this really matters. The Bethesda buyout actually bothers me more though as I have to have a Series X to play those games (could care less about Activision anymore). I would love to just be able to have the one console to play most of the games I want to play, and that console would obviously be the PS5. It's not even about being a fanboy or not, but it's just easier and more financially beneficial to only use one console if at all possible.
@KilloWertz I agree with you to a degree, but from a business perspective, Microsoft isn’t wrong. Microsoft put themselves in this position with the consumers 100%. What Microsoft didn’t do was force Sony to do these Monopoly tactics where they can buy third party games cheaper and make them exclusive while making a profit. Microsoft can’t do that. I also don’t think Phil Spencer has tried. Phil been a pretty upstanding guy so far and is a true gamer.
I don’t think Phil’s lied either. Phil has gotten gamepass everywhere; Xbox, Smartphones, SmartTv, Steam Deck, and PC. More games into more people’s hands.
Phil has talked about putting gamepass on PlayStation and Nintendo, but they would have to do the same, and hopes one day they would all just complete on who had the better service and features.
@deathaxe I don't know why companies have such a hard issue keeping track of game source code and master copies. This a consistent issue. LMAO
Killzone 1 source code found in a shoebox in the cellar of one of their IT support staff members which they considered the “offsite” storage system.
Every day I continue to build up my collection of "retro" games as I await the inevitable second crash of the games industry. Microsoft's buyout will only hasten the fall.
@TheCollector316 you realize if Microsoft doesn't get it then Tencent will? Due to current trends and industry climate, Microsoft getting ABK is the best case scenario for all of us.
The concern of the UK is legitimate and it's not over the console market, but the infrastructure monopoly for streaming.
Alas, can always count on Microsoft to lie and gaslight.
@Deshalu The point is that Xbox is backed by MS which has a net worth of $2.4 trillion. That is painfully evident when MS opens it's checkbook to spend half of Sony's net worth to buy the largest third party publisher. That is my point. Xbox is in third place in the console sphere because of their own terrible business decisions. No one forced them to make an anti-consumer DRM box and blow their lead in 2013. Sony made similar mistakes with the PS3 and recovered by releasing high-quality exclusives: Uncharted, God of War III, inFamous, Resistance, The Last of Us. They didn't regain their lead by buying publishers.
@KilloWertz Problem with that is, MS has already stated they are going to continue buying publishers whether they get ABK or not. Just wait, they'll announce a deal to buy either EA or Ubisoft by this time next year.
If history repeats itself, studios bought by Microsoft change direction completely in a few years and then we have new indie studios led by industry experts that left Microsoft. Hopefully great games such as Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk will continue to exist under different names eventually.
@theSpectre again Sony has better studios and you leave out Sony monopoly strategies they’ve been doing.
EA off the table, so is Ubisoft. Money can’t buy this.
Also the largest third party publisher wanted to sell, they chose Microsoft. Bethesda who already had a great relationship with Microsoft, wanted to sell.
Sega is next. Yes I know Sega said no, but that was for show. Sega is next, then it will be small publishers from then on.
All of Microsoft titles are not exclusive either.
@Jamesblob that’s fine stick with other’s.
@theSpectre @Jamesblob Well Sony started the fight.
Microsoft got tired of them buying exclusive deals and Paying some not to release on gamepass. Again that part was not Microsoft fault.
@Deshalu No, not all MS games are exclusives. Neither are all Sony games. All Bungie games are still multiplat and Sony develops a game that launches day 1 on Game Pass: MLB The Show. However, MS have already stated all Zenimax games going forward will be exclusive and have hinted at something similar for ABK (and Call of Duty once these 10 year deals expire). MS will not stop. They may try to buy Sega. They might try to buy Square Enix. EA's new worth is roughly half of ABK and even with MS overpaying for ABK, they could still get EA for probably 35-ish billion and they absolutely would try to do that. MS is going for the jugular the only way they know how: by spending their trillions of dollars. We all know they'll never beat Sony or Nintendo on the quality of their games.
@Deshalu And who made the vast amount of exclusive deals during the 360/PS3 era? That would be MS. Sony just followed MS example. MS can't make third party deals themselves because of Sony's install size vs Xbox's and the poor sales of games on Xbox consoles. The only play they have to buy up the industry, so they do it.
@Jamesblob Exactly. They are going to force players to play a monthly subscription to pay their games whether they want to or not, just like we have to pay a subscription for programs like MS Office or Adobe. Not to mention, it's also a way to undercut Sony as Sony gets a cut of every Xbox Series/Xbox One disc sold as they own Blu-Ray. So releasing on Game Pass and encouraging digital sales and downloads is a way to get around that. (As an aside, that is completely fine, it's just reading into the fine print of MS claiming it's about a great deal for the players, when it really isn't).
@theSpectre yeah Phil Spencer wasn’t in charge during the exclusive deals. The guy to nice.
Minecraft, ESO DLC, Fallout 76 DLC, Call of Duty, and some others was not forced to be on PlayStation. Microsoft chose that. Microsoft always intended COD to be multiplatform.
Bungie to Sony they would remain multiplatform and Sony only bought to keep from Microsoft. MLB the Show was forced to be multiplatform and released on gamepass by Major League Baseball, Sony is not multiplatform. Is Spider-Man 2 launching on PC same day as PlayStation 5?
I don’t care that Spider-Man is exclusive, I have both consoles. I do believe competition is good. Sony has displayed every monopoly thing the FTC was talking about. Microsoft is leveling the playing field while not focus on console.
Microsoft has gotten games to more gamers, but on console they need more exclusives because Sony wants to be the only player
@Jamesblob @theSpectre they’re not forcing you. You don’t need gamepass.
Also there’s nothing wrong with gamepass. Multiple studios and publishers has said great things about gamepass. Sony hates it because it makes money constantly. Plus it’s on multiple platforms and devices
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@lightningbolt79 I see what you're saying but this is a little different. Sony buys studios, and even whenever they do so, it's a studio they have worked with before like Santa Monica and Insomniac. With Microsoft, they're buying a whole publisher which includes multiple developers, them being Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Sledgehammer, and Blizzard (obviously). So while I see what you're saying, this situation is different than when Sony acquires a singular studio. Either way, this deal will change nothing. COD will continue to be trash lmao.
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@Deshalu I don't deny that some of the things Sony has done aren't exactly consumer friendly, but at the same time it wouldn't have been so easy if Microsoft didn't fall so far behind.
You have to pay a subscription fee to play those games. Say somebody just owned a PS5. They could have still played those games with just their PS5, but now they'd have to subscribe to Game Pass to play them and not even own them. It is what it is, but at the same time it seems all the focus is on the fact that Game Pass is available on a lot of devices but not on the fact that you still have to pay for it. Sure, Game Pass is available on way more things than just a single console, but it's not like everybody already subscribes to Game Pass.
@theSpectre You're likely not wrong, and that would make what I said irrelevant, but at the same time it's gone on for so long and Activision/Blizzard has very little I even care about that I honestly don't care anymore what happens with that specifically.
I have a feeling that them buying EA might actually get blocked after already buying somebody as large as Activision. At least I hope it would. Still, if they do end up buying a lot more, it would obviously be disastrous for the industry and gamers alike. It would also obviously be far worse than anything Sony has done. Nobody is coming out of the FTC trial looking good at all, but forcing everybody onto Game Pass with games from some of the biggest developers in the industry is pretty bad.
As I said above, it seems to get ignored that you have to pay a subscription fee to play these games that are "in more people's hands".
@theSpectre in the console space they are the underdog
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@KilloWertz everyone keeps bringing up subscription. You still have to subscribe to PlayStation Plus to play games online.
Yeah they fell behind. Now they’re buying. Look like it or not Bethesda and Activision wanted to sell to Microsoft. Acquisition happen and Microsoft won. It’s over.
Microsoft isn’t even done yet.
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@Triumph741 Are you serious here? What about these poor small companies like Google, Apple, Amazon don't they deserve less regulation.
@Deshalu You mean those companies who already almost exclusively made games for Sony. The only game made by Insomniac for MS bombed hard on Xbox.
By the way Phil is like a politician he switches stances so much its laughable. No games should be exclusive buy a company yeah we pull all their future games.
My, my, what a bunch of MBAs and seasoned market analysts we have here.
So let me get this argument - It is OK for MS to outright buy anyone (including major publishers), since they are the underdog SPECIFICALLY in the conslole space... OK! Did they made those 69 billion in the console space as disposable cash? Or are they simply shoveling ***** ton of money from other venues (in a lot of which they are the monopolist) in order to buy themselves into the market? Such an underdog behaviour! Cause we know the Playstation division is by far the most profitable in Sony, so they acutally spent money they made. And senior MS figures have said that at least now ("short term") GP is not profitable and is a loss leader essentially. And they're selling notably less consoles?
The charm of the "underdog" team comes from supporting them, seeing them get better at the game, build a better team, play better and ultimately win. Not so much in watching one of the players´ tycoon daddy(parent company) buying the league and giving them the trophy.
And no the consumer does not win in the end, this is no longer "classical" capitalism. It used to be - two tomato comapnies are competing, they make better tomatoes or deals - the better company and consumer wins. Now it's two tomato companies are competing, but company B has made a fortune selling letuce, so they shovel money to cover losses, corner the tomatoes market with buyouts, and in the end the consumer ends with ***** tomatoes, since there are no other vendors on the market left (this is what buying someone out of business leads to). And there is no incentive to do better to the consumer anymore. I know some of you are looking at MS bland garden expecting those bland fruits to turn to Eden 2.0, but in the end you will just get a bigger bland garden, not a better one.
@lightningbolt79 yes because buying a publisher with several ips including the biggest one at the moment is the same as buying a studio. Absolutely fair comparison.
@Kevw2006 even Square Enix is tiny compared to Bethesda and Activision. Most of their games are either flops or underperform. I doubt they're particularly profitable overall, unlike the other two. Sony would need to (but can't) buy EA or something to be fairly accused for doing the same. Or Rockstar.
@NitrousX Lol, I was thinking the same thing. I’m no market analyst nor have a business degree, but a lot of these comments are throwing around information that even I recognize as complete hooey. Using terms like “monopoly”, “underdog”, and speaking like they have been in the boardroom of these companies and know exactly what their strategies are. And apparently a lot of Push Square users know Phil and Jim personally, and have been attending FTC meetings. 😂
@Th3solution Yeah, Phil is the cool uncle who takes them on fishing trips and tells jokes around the campfire, and Jim is the nasty neighbour who plays loud ethnic music till 3AM and keyed their car this morning!
Jokes aside, its almost baffling to see people making the argument that "business is business, and sometimes does anti-consumer stuff" and their in next comment (or sometimes within the same comment) write things like "but not the business I like, they just want to make gaming more fair/accessible for gamers, and give away free puppies!". This goes for both sides. Trust me, neither Phil Spencer nor Jim Ryan goes to bed and shines like the cutest rom-com smile before falling asleep thinking of you (Nigel!). Stop the cognitive dissonance already, profit is what ultimately drives both companies, and they will play their hands however they can to get it (yes, even at your expense, shocking as it may sound).
@Sekijo @Flaming_Kaiser you had to read the others comments.
@Sekijo you’re missing the facts because of somebody else’s comment.
There was no false comparison you just missed the others comment. It was contradicting what he was saying.
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@Deshalu I have all 3 major consoles as well. I have no dog in the ever-going console war. However, there were some things you're convenietly leaving out. Xbox doesn't have CoD yet so they didn't let Sony have anything from that. As far as ESO, and Fallout76, that was already on PS before Xbox bought them. Minecraft too. However the newer editions and such for Minecraft was certainly Xbox doing for keeping it on other consoles.
Now as far as Spiderman is concerned, there is no debate to be had. Marvel themselves went to Sony to create an IP from on of their many beloved characters. Sony chose Spiderman and chose Insomniac to develop it. Why would they release that on any other platform?! Everything you said about the Bungie deal and The Show was correct. Sony didn't really have a choice but to make it multiplatform. You were incorrect about why Sony bought Bungie. They want Bungie to assist in making these live service games and with some other games as well. It wasn't solely to take it away from Xbox. Although I would surmise that if PS had their way, it would only be exclusive to the PS ecosystem.
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@Rafie you’re missing the point that I’m trying to argue I don’t care about the Spider-Man rights.
You said, marvel went up to them. True. activision went up to them. Bethesda went up to them.
But by your statements this activision, Microsoft merger, shouldn’t be an issue
@Deshalu "Microsoft in the video game market is not $2.2 trillion. Remember we’re talking about the Gaming market, you’re trying to include stuff that has nothing to do with video games."
This is a silly argument. You would have a point if MS wasn't using money from its other divisions to spend 58% of its competitor's entire market cap to acquire one of the largest publishers in gaming.
@bugzbunny109 your ID tag Bugs Bunny that’s cool, really is.
Sony doesn’t do the same thing? They make cellphones, computers, TVs, surround sound systems, movies and more.
I think it’s silly a lot of people make it sound like Sony is this small helpless company that’s on its last leg.
I also think it’s funny everyone talking about this acquisition but nobody looking at Tencent. If Tencent decides to get into the console business or subscription. They be the top dog with no one that can compete with.
@KilloWertz I don't think Game Pass is sustainable in the long run. We are seeing other streaming services starting to fail. Game Pass, despite being relatively cheap, is still failing to outsell the PS5.
@Deshalu MS did not intend for call of Duty to be multiplat. Those 10 year deals only started popping up when they were being investigated. The original deal for Playstation was for 3 years and MS claimed that was sufficient. Redfall, Starfield, and Indiana Jones PS5 were all canceled as soon as the ink was dry on the Zenimax deal. Sony has no incentive to release Spider-Man 2 on PC day 1. They want to sell the PS5. Marvel came to them with the deal for an exclusive Spider-Man game after MS rejected it. Spider-Man for PC was Sony's decision later on. MS continues to whine about Spider-Man's exclusivity, but only have themselves to blame. The more they buy and the more they restrict, the less and less likely they are to ever get Spider-Man.
What if...and hear me out. The merger goes through and GamePass and Xbox sales don't increase, lol. I don't see MS being able to sustain all those studios unless everyone jumps on Xbox or GamePass. I for one don't care who they buy they won't see a dime from me. Playstation till I die.
@Deshalu Game Pass isn't growing at the rate that PS5 adoption is. MS even said it themselves, Game Pass is stagnant. Subscription services are great for indies that might not see high player engagement otherwise. Sony recognizes this and games like Stray and Tchia have done really well launching into PS Plus. But it's bad for major AAA games. Spider-Man 2, The Last of Us Part II, Horizon Forbidden West, etc. would all fail launching day 1 on a subscription as there is no way a $220 million game would make that money back on a subscription service. Starfield is going to be a wake up call for MS.
@Deshalu I didn't miss the point. You left out some things and I wanted to ensure you told the whole story on it. Btw, how do you know that Acti went to Xbox? Maybe Xbox offered to buy them out after hearing all of the negative things surrounding them. Offering to change their working climate. Bethesda also did not go to Xbox. Xbox approached them to stop Sony from doing these deals. Remember Starfield was "supposedly" going to be a PS exclusive.
I told you I don't care about any of the deals as it doesn't affect me. I have all platforms. I miss nothing. However, I can understand why fans on both sides would be disgruntled with timed deals and buyouts that doesn't benefit their console of choice.
@Deshalu Yes, but you don't have to pay a subscription to play anything that is just single player on PlayStation. To even play the games on Game Pass, you have to pay the subscription fee. There is a difference and the issue of the games being locked behind a subscription for people who don't have an Xbox is a legitimate issue whether you and others continue to choose to ignore it or not.
Sure, it's done, but that doesn't make this good. Whether they wanted to sell to them or not, it still isn't good. The fact that they want to do more isn't good. This shouldn't even have to happen if Microsoft didn't put themselves in this position, and to even consider what Sony has done to be just as bad gives a certain impression. If Microsoft even tried to be more competitive over the last decade plus, Sony wouldn't have been able to do what they have been able to do, and to counter with tactics that are honestly more anti-consumer is pretty bad.
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