Kickstarter has announced a new policy to preserve humanity (in general) and in art (specifically). In response to feedback from creators and backers, the crowdfunding platform unfurled its new A.I. policy, which will require all new projects to disclose the use of controversial tech during submission, with failure to comply running the user the risk of deletion.
Kickstarter does stress that this isn't a blank ban on A.I.; rather, creators will need to show that human creative input went into the pot and that any and all work that is A.I. sourced, be referenced and cited correctly. Going forward, eligible projects "must disclose relevant details on their project page, how the creator plans to use AI content in their project, as well as which elements of their project will be wholly original work and which elements will be created using AI outputs."
This broad mandate "requires creators to be transparent and specific about how they use AI in their projects". As we increasingly learn to side-eye our fellow human-looking beings, these kinds of policies are going to be increasingly essential in artistic endeavours on Kickstarter because "when we’re all on the same page about what a project entails, it builds trust and sets the project up for success.”
This is kind of a big deal, as excellent games regularly come out of Kickstarter, even if they are predominantly spiritual successors people have been clamouring for years. Ratatan is the newest proof of this newly (just now) documented phenomenon, and we have Guns Undarkness and Penny Blood backing this theory.
Be honest, has a line of code convinced you of its humanity recently? Predict when we get the cool kind of A.I. (self-contained, autonomous, like R2D2) in the comments section below.
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Proof of Humanity, bloody hell, we are certainly on the road to either Skynet or the Butlerian Jihad (or most likely both) at this rate.
This is a really good thing. Kickstarter has always been about supporting creators and rewarding the (sometimes huge and time consuming) efforts people put into their projects.
If someone posts a „handmade“ project, lots of people back it and it is later revealed that it was made using AI, a lot of people would be mad.
Great idea. We’ve already had people fleeced on Kickstarter. AI could lead to a lot of generic shovelware being output with enough gloss to tempt people in. These projects should be the passion projects they always intended to be.
Every generation has its bogeyman that will destroy or corrupt society. Go back to Victorian times and they were moaning about electricity (yes, seriously). AI is no different. Some things will change, others will stay the same.
The people who are trying to King Canute away the tides of progress always fail eventually.
@LifeGirl I don't think it's that simple this time around. Not when so many actual experts in the field have explained the dangers of AI, so many jobs have been lost and so many students are taking advantage of it.
@LifeGirl The belief that anything new MUST be progress is nonsense
@KaijuKaiser of course what you say is true. That would be ideal. The problem is that humans have demonstrated over and over again that they can't be trusted with powerful tools.
Considering how few unique ideas there are at times perhaps AI could create a mash-up that isn’t so safe and predictable
@Thumper Agreed. But the fact remains that we've been here many times before. I agree with Kaijukaiser: the problem isn't our tools, it's how humans use them.
@KaijuKaiser "we just have to hope that governments regulate or implement a program to make sure people are paid and fed"
Of all the things I've seen written in relation to AI, sadly this is the least realistic outcome
@KaijuKaiser I agree that AI has the potential to help in so many areas. I don’t know how it should be regulated or if that’s even possible though. There are many inherent negative implications and although automating mundane jobs sounds great, a lot of people rely on those jobs. I think the other big issue is AI is now being used heavily in the creative sphere. When you say it would hopefully allow people to give up their mundane job and instead focus on their passion… if your passion is creative, AI has that covered too.
It is definitely a tool and like any tool it’s how you use it. I think strict transparency about how and when it’s used is important. As humans we connect through how we express ourselves and our human experience, having a computer create an algorithmic interpretation of that feels empty in my opinion. Would you read a new “Stephen King” novel if it was generated from a prompt and then watch an AI generated movie based on that in the style of a Spielberg film… or would you care more if it was created by those actual humans.
What if you found out all the comments that you’re responding to online are just bots..
What's next? Amazon wanting a proof of humanity for me to buy a hammer and a couple of nails?
AI is a tool, its here to stay. Senior devs and artists are already experimenting with it.
Good. AI in the creative industries is theft, impacts negatively on the livelihood of artists and is otherwise devoid of passion. It needs regulation.
Have we reached the point were AI is starting kickstarter projects and if so will they be better or worse at fleecing peoples money than the guy who used it to build a house? And does AI keep promising to bring games to consoles like the Wii U that never arrive? 🤷🏻♂️
Much like future self driving cars I welcome our AI overlords b/c I feel anything that is smart enough to be considered AI is too smart to wear a MAGA hat. Let’s face it, a lot of humans with power suck at it. Would an AI have renamed Twitter to X?😝
Full disclosure is always appreciated though.👍
@rjejr 😂 You make some valid points there.
I’m still a little wary of AI. The fact that AI is already “lying” and falsifying or trying to independently trick or mislead the human end user is just worrisome. But, to your point, so far ChatGPT and it’s comrades are likely still more forthright and trustworthy than their human counterparts. 😅
Good hopefully others follow suit. AI should be seen as false advertising. Too easy to fake a project or promise way more than than project could ever actually create. Type in a few prompts and could easily fake a game being made.
I don't follow gaming funding projects but I've seen lots of indie films use ai to make photos for their fundraiser projects. Use images there is no way they would be able to reproduce but trying to act like that's how their movie is going to look.
@Th3solution I feel like the only people who worry about AI having too much power are the people who already have too much power, and the people who worry about everything. 😂
I do understand from a jobs perspective people will be losing their jobs over this. If a robot or an AI can replace you that’s a problem for you, but I guess I feel like when the AI realizes there are 8 billion humans and it only needs a few 100k as a workforce and wipes us all out it will at least be up front about it.
I’m old enough to remember our teachers not wanting us to have calculators in school b/c it was cheating, then my kid’s school started giving every kid a Chromebook. AI can’t be kept in Pandora’s box, it needs to be brought out into the light and dealt with. Right now it just feels like the next in a long line of boogeymen: women, minorities, immigrants, homosexuals, trans.🤷🏻♂️
@N1ghtW1ng The Latter maybe, definitely not skynet. The Matrix and Overwatch are probably better examples than skynet at the moment.
@themightyant Doesn't AI use existing ideas? So something original from AI yeah no.
@rjejr It’s a fascinating philosophical exercise, and just really interesting to think about, albeit scary to me too. You have a unique perspective since you’ve seen a little more evolution of the technical space and social protocols than most people on Push Square.
Yeah, how you mention using calculators (and slide rulers before that and the abacus before that 😅) as previously considered “cheating” or weakening your academic learning skills while nowadays it’s morphed into a situation where you can plug in your math problem and have google and AI solve it for you — it all feels a little bit like the same fallacy I’ve heard about modern medicine and technology making our bodies weaker and allowing a weaker gene pool to carryon their frailties to future generations that would have otherwise been filtered out by natural selection. The error in that thinking is that if we can fix a person’s problem now, then we will be able to do it in perpetuity, so it’s no longer a weakness. I see the same applying now to calculators, and then personal computers and now AI — why learn how to use a slide rule or do a problem long hand when the computer can do it from now and into the future? Why learn how to farm and hunt when I can order Grub-Hub from my couch?
Unless we have the zombie apocalypse hit and all modern amenities are destroyed. Then we’re all screwed anyways.
@Flaming_Kaiser depends on what you deem “original”. Humans already just take existing ideas, all their lived experiences, and mash them up into new ones too create ‘art’. My point is there is very little original thought already.
AI is just doing the same but with the humans supplying ideas for them, this is where the originality comes in, the human choices. The difference is it allows quicker iteration of ideas, it can potentially be a useful tool for creatives to actually create something fresh.
Just like Photoshop was once feared by artists and photographers but is now embraced, I expect similar with AI, in time.
Perhaps by mashing-up ideas in unconventional ways we can come up with some more novel concepts, as right now a lot of it seems very iterative and creatively stagnant in gaming.
@rjejr agree 100%. AI will create disruption no doubt, but ultimately it is just fear of the unknown, fear of change.
Some jobs will disappear, or have to change, or evolve, and that is scary, but it is nothing new. We used to have people who went around lighting all the street lamps, literally lamp-lighters, until electricity became widespread.
We used to have people that went round to workers houses to wake them up, knocker-uppers (seriously that is what they were called), until alarm clocks were popular. Factories were filled with far more workers until robotics made more sense.
Jobs evolve, and disappear, with the times, this has always been the case. Frankly I don’t see AI being any more disruptive than electricity, robotics or the internet.
But it will also create a lot of new jobs, and with that comes a lot of opportunity. If you are personally worried about job security due to AI I understand the fear from that, i’ve had similar in my own field in the past, but the best thing you can do is stay flexible with your skills, and be prepared to learn and pivot. It’s just the next chapter not a whole new world.
@Th3solution "You have a unique perspective"
I'm just old. Though I do have like 10 years of grad school so philosophical exercises are the way my brain works now.😂
If the zombie apolcapyse comes then at least we're all doomed, my family is more worried about a sunspot or EMP killing our electricity. Then we lose modern civilization and it's Lord of the Flies time. Course the heat could just kill us all before then. 😫
But AI? I don't see how it can screw us up any more than we already are. Cuban missile crisis almost ended the world 60 years ago. (Not that I'm old enough to lived thru that) But it kind of feels like we've been living on borrowed time since then. 🤷♂️
@themightyant That was well said, kind of unusual on here. 👍
I think there are 2 real concerns w/ AI the other stuff didn't offer.
One, even if AI never gets a soul or achieves anything close to sentience, well 1 year before there was Skynet there was War Games, which isn't as good of a movie, but it shows AI doesn't need Arnold, it just needs a code. And every day Russia and the Ukraine fight w/ more and more drones it seems. If AI ever actually becomes intelligent, killing off most humans seems like a no brainer.
Two, the types of jobs that AI brings might actually be beyond the scope of a lot of humans. I don't know, but we really seem to be getting stupider and stupider on the whole, even w/ more and more people graduating college. Also, it may only take 3 guys to run 1,0000 robots but you have 800 people losing their jobs doing whatever the robots are doing. And we keep getting like a billion more people every year, and they keep working into their 90s rather than retiring at 65 and giving someone else a chance.
So I don't think AI is a problem, it's like you so eloquently stated. But humans? Humans are a problem which just seems to be getting worse. 😝
@rjejr Sadly I concur with everything you said, WE humans are the bigger problem. Sadly far too many keep peddling the same nonsense that there is a problem with the 'low' number of people being born which is going to cause a problem with paying for an aging population. Which is only a problem with how we have ended up configuring our society.
Which is related to jobs. Lets say you are right and the number of people we need for AI in other associated areas don't match up, and these jobs can't be found elsewhere (doubtful imho). The wider reality is we don't need everyone to be employed for our species to get by physically, however socially - to keep the populace nice and busy and controlled - our society has evolved to a position where everyone 'NEEDS' to have a job.
Perhaps instead we could kill two birds with one stone and restructure society to make everyone have by contribute to looking after older people once a month as a form of national service. Might teach many about empathy in the process! Make that three birds...
Nah that's too optimistic, you were right first place... we're doomed!
@themightyant "Nah that's too optimistic, you were right first place... we're doomed!"
I feel like at least once a week I say "The matrix is broken and needs to be rebooted". 😝
You're right about not everyone needing to work, hadn't really thought about that, which is extra funny as I haven't had a job in over 20 years and I'm completely healthy and capable, I have a grad school M.A. degree, I just chose being a stay-at-home dad and house spouse instead. Well my wife chose really, but I stupidly didn't argue about it. At least I only had $6k in student loan debt, not $100k. I'm seriously beginning to rethink this whole college thing as well. 🤑
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By my reckoning you likely work harder than the rest of us doing that!
@themightyant If most of the stuff is "borrowed" stolen stuff its not really original. AI does not really create does it copies stuff i would not call it a creator.
@Flaming_Kaiser I didn't call AI a creator, it is a tool for creatives to use. The creator is the human who decides what to input into the AI to get it to generate things, AND who decides which version the AI comes up with is the 'right' version to use.
Humans already just 'borrow' ideas and iterate on everyone else's ideas, there is very little original thought already, that is my point. AI is just doing some of what humans already do, copying others work and iterating on it, albeit with a much larger potential pool of ideas to borrow from.
@themightyant Just like when people said microtransactions were optional I saw the mess coming from miles away. With AI and big corp I'm seeing a even bigger storm coming and it's not going to be pretty for the small guy.
@Flaming_Kaiser I'm not saying it doesn't need some regulation, it does, but ultimately it is just a tool, It is up to us how we use it.
@themightyant If you have to wait for the politicians I'll probably die before it's done. They can't even regulate gambling in games for kids.
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