
A few months back, there was some speculation that The Elder Scrolls 6 might not be an eventual Xbox exclusive, despite Microsoft's acquisition of Bethesda. This all came about because Xbox boss Phil Spencer had said that target platforms hadn't been decided yet — but it always felt like his comments were more to do with the game being years away, rather than him hinting at potential plans to allow the RPG on PlayStation platforms.
And if for some reason you were still grasping at straws, know that Microsoft fully intends for The Elder Scrolls 6 to release on Xbox and PC only. That's according to documents from the company's court case against the FTC, which were recently made public. Said document shows a schedule for all of Bethesda's announced titles (both as a publisher and developer), and the entry for The Elder Scrolls 6 clearly states that it's heading to Xbox, PC, and nothing else.
We obviously thought this would be the case, but it's important to note that The Elder Scrolls 6 was announced before Microsoft snapped up its developer. What's more, this isn't quite a Starfield situation, as The Elder Scrolls is an incredibly popular property that's existed on multiple platforms for generations.
Having said all that, the game's not expected until 2026 at the earliest — again, according to the document — and who knows what the gaming landscape will look like by the time it arrives.
[source twitter.com, via purexbox.com]
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I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
Thats fine considering how starfield turned out....kinda sucks tho ngl
Oh well, tried to post the Jeremy Clarkson 'oh, no, anyways' gif, but alas, not meant to be.
But Phil you told us games should not be locked behind a exclusivity wall. Did lie through your teeth im just as shocked as Orpheus.
My backlog is celebrating 🍾
Lies of p strikes again.i mean ron desantis aka ron desatan lookalike phil spencer😀.haha.word up son
Hopefully they can put a little more imagination into the game than they did with Starfield. If Skyrim 2 is anything like Starfield then it will be little more than a visual upgrade over Skyrim with no new ideas.
Don't worry, we will get ultimate, special, expanded, GOTY, Edition of Skyrim!
Didn't they say at one point that any series that was on Playstation would be kept on that platform? I'm confused.
Not fussed! Another reason for me to buy a Series X at the end of that life cycle.
But this can’t be right! Phil is such a lovely guy and only cares about gamers and spreading games to one and all. He rescues small kittens from trees and helps old ladies cross the road for goodness sake…..
😜😜😜
Guys, emails have surfaced that prove that MS wants to force Sony out of business.
Anyone who really believes that a publisher or developer who acquired by MS will continue to publish their games for the PS is naive.
That's exactly why Sony has to buy SE! No matter what some say about it being a waste of money, losing Final Fantasy would be fatal for Sony.
And Trump said he'd build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. What's confusing about promises never meant to be kept?
@thechetearly
That's what they want you to do and you're playing into their hands, perpetuating the cycle.
Don't worry, guys. Microsoft said they are the feisty, permanently-in-third-place, super-mistreated underdogs! I'm sure nothing bad will come of them trying to buy up everything in the market while being wishy-washy with their intentions.
Pretty obvious, people need to stop listening to two-face Phil.
"Microsoft doesn't have incentive to remove COD from Playstation"
@gipsojo They've really run out of ideas if "Skyrim 2" ever get released.
@Nepp67 No, they have Said that legacy content Will release on other consoles, PS users used that to say that existing IP's would be released on PS5 , devs said that It was about re-releases/remasters/remakes. Devs were right, aka FO4 PS5 version/Skyrim PS5 version/Quake/Quake 2 remasters.
Well, of course.
Yeah, it sucks for PlayStation/Nintendo gamers but it’s the reason Xbox bought Bethesda.
Nooooo! That can't be true!!! Phil said they want to allow players to play their games anywhere. He wouldn't take this away from PlayStation, right? Right?... Hellooo??
Tell me lies Phil, tell me sweet little lies.
@MaikonCSGarcia Ah, gotcha, that makes more sense
@Ultrasmiles starfield is great ,haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long time ,probably xbox best game in a long long time,but if I had to make a decision,I'd take sonys first party games all day.
Oh wow really we didn't see that coming omg I'm so shocked
After trying Starfield I have no problem with this. Bethesda’s rpg’s have been left in the past and if Elder Scrolls is just more of the same I’m good.
It’s an overhyped series anyway. The last two were pretty crap.
Just said this same thing over on PX, but
Phil literally said last week when asked specifically and directly about ES6 'case by case basis'. So not only is his mind already made up as the document reveals but he continues to skate around it or flat out lie to look good to regulators.
Everyone knew it wouldn't be on PS5 but we also know Phil will dance around it while regulators are on his case to get what he wants.
Source of what he said last week.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-addresses-potential-elder-scrolls-6-exclusivity/
Personally I don't care. I've lost interest in Bethesda games and Starfield has proved that to me along with FO4. They've been on a downward spiral since Oblivion and Fallout 3. I prefer BioWare to Bethesda personally.
@Nepp67 only legacy content will be released and kept on other consoles.
Ex. Quake remastered, Quake 2 remastered
I am guessing God of War 2 and Spider-Man 2 are not coming to XBox either. Shocker!
@KAIRU Skyrim and Oblivion? Like I get that it might not be everyones cup of tea but calling them crap is just wrong. They are very solid long-lasting rpgs.
I would love for one journalist to ask Phil "if your really believe in bringing games to as many people as possible, then why are you excluding most of your games from PlayStation and Nintendo?"
So it’s ok for sony to make more third party exclusive deals now after this. I don’t want to hear no more crying here about Sony money hating.
Surely Sony could build a team capable of making RPG games that have similar gameplay to Bethesda's style.
I mean there's going to be a massive gap that could be exploited by a developer if they really aren't coming to playstation any more.
@Balosi So Sony has to create new Rpg’s while Microsoft buy them 😂.
@4kgk2 Poor little Microsoft can't make their own games apparently.
CD Projekt Red will be acquired by Sony and we’ll have Cyberpunk 2 and future Witcher games.
My 2024 guess.
@itsfoz Sony could buy Larian Studios they be cheaper.
Oh well. I personally think Bethesda RPG's haven't been fun or interesting since Fallout 3.
@HwuaiLiang call of duty would be difficult to rival because of its blockbuster production costs. But Bethesda games, I'm sure a worthy rival could be done as long as they capture the right elements.
Can keep it lol. Never played those boring Rimsky Mirrow elder games whatever theyre called anyways. No loss to me whatsoever
Realistically, by the time Elder Scrolls 6 releases MS will be out of the console business so they'll release this on PS6 and Switch 3. 🤷♂️
Glad that I didn't care for Bethesda or otherwise, I'd be extremely disappointed lmao
If this was Square Enix, or Fromsoftware, I'd be raging hard by now.
Well... seeing how Bethesda has been going downhill, it's probably not a big loss. Every game since Fallout 3 has been worse than the previous one.
All this buyout is doing is killing every Bethesda IP. "Bringing games to more players" they said, an obvious lie since they uttered it. Cutting Bethesda sales by 75% and therefore dooming these IP's to irrelevance. 🤷
im not really too worried, its so far off , i highly doubt it will launch on the current gen consoles , so it would be ps6 and not ps5. after starfield though , im worried how good elder scrolls 6 will be.
I think we're all moving on from bethesda at this point.
Ahhh.....i dont care....
@4kgk2
Apple claims that the iPhone 15 Pro will be the best console, i.e. a better console than Xbox and PlayStation. Sony must stop Microsoft, Tencent and Apple from taking control of the gaming industry at all costs.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/iphone-15-pro-is-best-game-console-apple-says/1100-6517793/
It's expected, especially with the massive success of Starfield now reporting better sales than expected while available practically for free on GamePass.
@playstation1995 Hahah top work man 🤣👌
One of the few situations where i support pirating
But really miss out on literally millions of money to make a point,
MS is already " low on the ladder"
But overall I'd say its timed exclusive
@Rmg0731
It will be best for Sony if Microsoft leaves gaming because Microsoft is not working for the benefit of the gaming industry. Xbox needs to fail because it doesn't deserve to be on the same level as PlayStation.
@Flaming_Kaiser
Well that was before Sony's Jim Ryan tried to block the Activision acquisition....now Phil is going with a vengeance.
@HwuaiLiang
Sony must persuade developers to refuse to publish games for Xbox
@4kgk2
Steve Jobs nicely said that Microsoft has no talent at all
@HwuaiLiang
The only way for Xbox to fail is for developers to stop releasing games for Xbox. Bethesda needs to separate from Microsoft because that's the only way we can get future Bethesda games on the PlayStation.
Not cool. Uhhh word count filler because I can't say two words.
It’s funny that they talk about the next exclusive in 2026!!!! Just one week after the realese of starfield, maybe the starfield effect was not very good
@Gunnerzaurus
Xbots are the most toxic on social media and in general because they only know how to spit on PlayStation and PlayStation players
It wont even release this gen! Seriously, who cares?
I wouldnt expect any company to graft ten years on a game only to release it on your competitor's machine, thats lunacy. Almost as silly as believing anything these slimey execs say. I find the 'cult of personality' surrounding phil to be creepy...
Theres hardly any of the talent left that created the original skyrim, so its yet to be seen if they can make the same impact with a title next gen. In the meantime theres going to a whole host of great adventures we will play which will shift the bar much higher than than a simple skyrim sequal.
@Tidus_g
Xbox will fail by then
I knew Phil was lying when he gave hope. If you believed it before the FTC case, I get it. After…sorry, you were deluded. I hope the money was worth it, Bethesda.Even then, not expecting it until the next gen comes.
Xbox is getting worse by the day because they don't want PlayStation to compete with them
@number1024
Microsoft has always been a liar and the only thing it knows is to spit on PlayStation and Sony.
@MonsterTamer Since it was revealed in court they were hoping to eventually push PlayStation out of the market (they deny it, but anyone with sense know they’re lying), no shock.
Bethesda’s best output is well and truly behind it
Wow, the hypocritical comments in this thread.
The amount of toxicity here is truly sad. Have enjoyed Sony exclusives, but am also loving Starfield. Next to Oblivion as my favorite Bethesda game.
Am lucky to have both systems but when it comes down to it I’m just a gamer.
Within 10 years it’ll release everywhere, greed trumps loyalty.
I'm almost relieved reading all the comments mocking Phil Used Car Salesman Spencer.
I'll say it every time this discussion pops up, there is zero wrong with exclusives, they will always be the backbone of this industry, the best of the best, but just please stop giving Uncle Phil brownie points for talking them down when he didn't have any!
@awp69 I hope those that have commented here can look back on this thread in a few years time and remember how mature and calm they used to be.
If a multi format title as big as this is up for being brought and made exclusive, the gloves are off frankly. It’s open season in gaming at the moment isn’t it 😂
No fuss. I just laugh at those who are always talking about “arrogant Sony” and acting like this isn’t a business.
@HwuaiLiang Really? Look back at the history of Playstation from the beginning until now. And so what if MS bought Zenimax. Sony was going to moneyhat every game they could including Starfield after Ghostwire and Deathloop. And by the way, MS and BGS have had a long history well before they released a game on Playstation. MS was "cultivating" (as many people like to say) their relationship with BGS for many years. Remember Morrowind, that was a PC and Xbox exclusive. BGS only released games for many years on PC only. I have no fight in this game. I luckily own all the consoles. All three are great in their own ways. But let's not be hypocritical and pretend Sony is not dirty.
@Flaming_Kaiser But wait. They are still somehow allowing more people to play these games, which is technically true... after you pay for a subscription service. Oops...
That is about all I will say though. This is a tired subject that honestly can go nowhere really good. It sucks that PlayStation only owners have to at best pay for a subscription to play it on PC/another device or pay for an Xbox, but that seems to get swept under the rug when people defend Xbox and/or Phil Spencer.
Oh well, this won't be out until probably 2027 anyways since somehow Bethesda can only work on one game at a time...
@Orpheus79V I'm shocked your shocked. I tell you!
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Literally the worst kept secret in gaming, I don't know why they don't just come out and announce it publicaly so people can move on.
@LightningLeader These kind of games are more tailored to keyboard and a mouse anyway, IMHO
@cburg ghostwire and deathloop were risky new games. Starfield, basically Skyrim/fallout in space was always going to be a smash. There's no evidence as far as I know that Sony had any sort of chance of getting exclusivity.
And no, Phil claiming it is not evidence.
@LightningLeader If they release ES6 on the series S you will have 16 times the loading screens.
It's too bad, as I am a big fan of the franchise. I was one of the slim hopes for post timed exclusive release and then to ps5. I do think in the end they will lose out on some money just like Sony does on its exclusives. As long as great RPGs keep coming it won't be as big of a loss.
Couldn't care less...
Another 83ish Bethesda gem.
At the end of the day Sony lock exculsives so they can sell consoles.. they make you wait for PC ports even, so I don't think any PS "fan" could honestly not be okay with this. It is like me demanding Spiderman 2 (Which would sell double or more if it was on Xbox and PC) to come to Xbox.
I honestly don't see how any PS4/5 owner (who could afford it) wouldn't get a Series S a good PC.
I brought a PS5 for the exculsives like Spiderman 2, otherwise what is the point of owning it as I could get a high end PC that far exceeds the capabilties.
Overall Microsoft are just playing the game Sony have been doing for years.
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Despite the evidence to the contrary, people and regulators trust Microsoft's words with Activision-Blizzard despite all their doublespeak with Bethesda simply because Microsoft is signing some empty ten-year deals.
Consoles are crap, to play every exclusive i'd need to spend over £1000+ on hardware alone, and that's before a game is purchased.
Just buy/build a gaming PC and play all the PS/Xbox exclusives on one platform (including Switch games). Plus you aren't limited to just playing games on the platform either.
I mean if it’s anywhere near the quality of starfield then this is GREAT news 😅
@Cloud34156 Thanks for giving us your thoughts Jim Ryan. The CMA and EU need you to fly in and discuss.
Tbf after reading about the lacklustre starfield I don't think this will be that missed, especially when there's now better Rpg's such as the witcher and baldurs gate, and the new dragon age coming. Elder scrolls isn't the only game in its market anymore so it's not a must have game in my opinion as there are and will be better alternatives for playstation gamers.
Also these games take years and years to develop and a lot of money, the fact is these games will make a loss from being on gamepass and they won't recoup their development costs being on one platform, a platform that's basically fully subscription based.
@Cloud34156 can i now have a spiderman game on my switch please?
Oh wait. That longrunning franchise is exclusive to playstation now, developed by a studio bought by Sony.
After the fiasco of buying bathesda we will honor existing contracts then na not bothering bad craic. Sony will come out with a game equally as good. I may like Xbox exclusives but I been a PlayStation fan since the first one not Gona stop now.
@ArmoredMore 87 on metacritic is the worst, right?
Actually higher than any ps5 exclusive this year
Obsidian proved that anyone can make a Bethesda style game better than them, and if Starfield is any indication then it's not a big loss anyway.
Microsoft doesn’t want exclusives.. it’s because of Sony!
Buys two big publishers and make the biggest RPG game exclusive.
What a joke Microsoft.. most of the Elder Scroll console players were on PlayStation..
You said Starfield was exclusive because it didn’t have a base on another console. But you’ve always been conniving.
I hope Sony responds with 2k and Square. Before money hungry Microsoft monopolizes the industry
microsoft will lose at least 30% of potential revenue by cutting off the playstation platform. their loss.
@Friendly Starfield is at 83 on Metacritic, Final Fantasy 16 is higher at 87.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/starfield/
https://www.metacritic.com/game/final-fantasy-xvi/
@UltimateOtaku91 hmm… Did Starfield lose money? I don’t think you can make that claim yet. Did I read it sold more than the newest FF despite it being on game pass? Oh, and it is on more than one platform. Did you forget about PC?
@Friendly The 83 score holds more weight as it has more reviews.
@T-Bone09 Of course Microsoft were liars from the beginning, they are a scummy company and why I now have nothing to do with them. Give it 20-30 years and gaming will be ruined by them once they buy a few big publishers each gen until they are on top and once they are on top their competition won't have the funds to compete, their strategy is obvious.
They admitted it themselves in the leaked emails, they want to outspend sony out of the market.
@Friendly it has an 83 on metacritic 😅
@PixelDragon by “in house” I assume you mean by Sony or studios owned by Sony. By Multi-platform I assume you mean all platforms except those developed and released by Nintendo. Any compelling reasons why a game developed in-house by Microsoft should release on any other platform? Sony don’t and we’ll just take a look a what they did with Final Fantasy VII. But hey at least Sony got people interests in mind when it comes to Call of Duty.
@Friendly @Friendly
That was exclusive before Sony bought the company. Insomniac had 20 plus years with Sony. 1 game was exclusive to another console with how many titles were on PlayStation. They joined PlayStation after 2 decades of partnership.
That’s not the same.
So elder scrolls has gone back to being more or less a pc exclusive from now on, good job Phil
@UltimateOtaku91 I forgot, Sony is a bunch of angels that don’t care about their bottom line. They want what is best for all gamers.
@cburg it had 6 million players at launch week, not 6 million sales, so no it hasn't performed better sales than Final Fantasy 16.....
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@UltimateOtaku91 Did I say it had 6 million sales?
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@Cloud34156 What’s a mate? I am not British. Thanks Jim.
@cburg that was the latest news about it's figures so I assumed that was the news you read about when you said Did I read it sold more than the newest FF despite it being on game pass?, so what article are you referring to.
Oh no now I can't skip over it in the digital store like I did it's predecessor
I don’t care about console wars but when the f*** did an 83 become a bad game?
Also, it’s 86 on OpenCritic which combines PC and Xbox (87 on MetaCritic for PC FWIW).
86 is closer to what the game truly is overall. Pretty close to the 87 on OpenCritic for FF 16.
And I love both games!
@cburg I'm not sure if it lost money but it's about to drop out of the top 50 highest rated games of 2023 so far. I'm sure Xbox will be disappointed about that.
I'm not going to be triggered on this fight 👏👏 I'm better than this fanboy edgelord 🙄
@Cloud34156 Alos I think it needs to get mentioned that Spiderman games before being made by Sony failed to sell a million copies, the last game before sony took over was amazing spiderman 2 which sold less than 500k and was multiplatform. Whereas each Elder Scrolls is a 15+ million selling game and was one of the biggest multiplatform games period and sold a third of those on playstation consoles, so yeah it's absolutely not comparable to Sony getting the spiderman rights.
People act like Sony bought spiderman along with insonmiac then made it exclusive but that's not right, Sony had the rights to spiderman before they bought insonmiac, rights which were offered to them after Microsoft turned them down.
@UltimateOtaku91 They have no official numbers apart from those 6 million players. There was 2 estimates that were so far apart neither could be trusted but the highest one was at just over 2 million sold between Xbox and Pc.
I'm platform agnostic, so it's fun to see PlayStation only people throwing shade on Starfield mostly because they don't have it. 🤣
Has anyone moaned about how old the game engine is or did I miss it? By almost all accounts, a successful launch in an acceptable playable state unlike Redfall, and fun if you like Todd Howard's style of game. Which I do.
To be fair the limited edition Starfield console is almost as pretty as the Halo Infinite one. The controller too. I like the design.
Still rather play PS2-3 games though 😁
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@MrMagic Well they can't be that impressed by its actual sales otherswise they would of put out a statement saying so, like they did with the 6 million player count.
Phil Spencer lied what a shocker.....
Did anyone really expect different?
Every Bethesda game in the future will be only on XBox/PC.
Of course XBox wants to grow strong again after some hard times and they are doing pretty good so far.
Hopefully exclusivity will shave some time off development. Sucks for the one console folks tho.
@awp69 it became a bad score when it fits the narrative people are trying to create. The absurd fanboy comments on both sides are something special in this article. I’m with you, I’ve played faith and both are fantastic games, but people can’t just accept that, it always has to be a console war. I’ll stick with being an agnostic gamer and rolling my eyes at it all.
So bizarre to see the completely irrational Sony allegiant have anything to say as far as criticizing someone going back on statements made in the past, considering some of the BS our very own Jim Ryan peddled at the beginning of the PS5 generation....
I mean objectively here, as an exclusively Sony platform player for the time being, at least MS is buying up studios with the intention to bolster their first party GAME library. Rather than peddle console covers, ear buds, useless handhelds, etc to use playing all those prioritized live service schemes to come....
Just saying.
And the console wars continue.......
@KundaliniRising333 they aren't bolstering anything though. These are all games that Xbox would've got anyway.
Xbox had a strong lineup for first time since 360 era? I think they did a great job w the series x too. Backwards compatibility, quick resume, smart delivery are all really nice
not bothered tbh...looking forward to DOS3 or whatever Larians next outing is way more than ES6 or anything from bethesda....amazing how a small dev can output stuff so much better than old moneybags microsoft/bethesda
@slayernz Now this might be the hottest take I have ever seen.
@ArmoredMore pc version has 87
@T-Bone09 spiderman was everywhere
@UltimateOtaku91 https://www.metacritic.com/game/starfield/critic-reviews/?platform=pc
Least surprising news ever.
@Friendly
Yea of course it was the movie games. Like the PS2 version of the spider man movie in the early 2000’s. I mean we can go back to the original PlayStation days too.
But this is different. If you remember Microsoft turned down the offer with Marvel to create a SpiderMan game Marvel Games split from Activision. So this is different.. like I said.
Also guys let’s just enjoy games.
Starfield looks like a good game. I’d like to play it. But I’m not gonna bash Xbox owners over it because we didn’t get it. I don’t want it bad enough to buy another console (already have a Switch and a PS5 and with a kid fixing to be here in two months I just won’t have the time to add something else) but it does look like a good game.
Right now I’m enjoying the hell out of Resident Evil 4 Remake. Seriously this is probably the best remake ever made in my opinion. And I had relatively low expectations because RE4 is in my top ten greatest games of all time. I got it on launch day back in 2005 on my GameCube. I had lowered expectations. But this game honestly blows the original out of the water.
So just enjoy playing games. No need to flame and be console warriors. That should have died with the SNES and Genesis.
Those saying that things would be better without Microsoft as insane, you are not seeing how Sony is acting when they have a comfortable lead over Xbox? $80 to play online!?
Remove Microsoft and Sony would probably mark up the PS5 by $200 more minimum! and probably charged us a fee for turning the system on or something 🙄
I hope we get a return to the 360 era from Microsoft so PlayStation can get back to the PS4's "this is how you share games on PS4" era
@Friendly the pc version doesn’t include eurogamer, metro etc that gave it 7s yet so the score hasn’t been affected. When those scores are added it will probably be closer to an 83
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@OrtadragoonX when the kid is teeny tiny is actually a great time for handheld games and catching up on shows it doesn't last long but you can figure out some pretty complicated methods for feeding a bebe a bottle and a game. i suggest finding a nice, slow turn based strategy,
good luck with he kid and grats!
@Rmg0731 really dude?
@ArmoredMore thanks, time traveller!
@Tecinthebrain you are absolutely right.
I’m happy that Microsoft is upping their game a little this generation. Sony is way too comfortable and us consumers are feeling the price for it. They are increasing their prices left and right while not doing anything creative at all anymore. Just sequels and live service garbage.
Low risk, high reward.
And then there’s their hardware section. I’m sure you all have your psvr2 collecting dust somewhere because it receives zero support, have your playstation portal preordered and also the mandatory headphones which are the only thing that they made compatible with the device.
You guys keep on loving Sony all you want for whatever reason. The company has changed though last couple of years. And not in the correct direction for us consumers. And they need competition.
@T-Bone09 good spin.
Not different at all though. Just a company gobbling up another smaller company and taking their ip for themselves. An ip which was available elsewhere.
@Friendly wow you’re really on a rage aren’t you 😂
@ArmoredMore not me this time. Just reacting on others on a rage .
@Friendly
Microsoft turned down the IP. Insomniac took over and made the game for PS4. They did not make Spiderman for Xbox. Insomniac only made one game for the Xbox 360 and it was Sunset Overdrive.
Your argument is clouded by your delusion.😅
But you clearly have too much time on your hands. Good night
@ArmoredMore @tecinthebrain is a voice of reason too. And so are @OrtadragoonX and @Kundalinirising333
Ow well won't be playing any Elder Scrolls 6 well that will save me some money 😁
Only an idiot would believe the words that come out of his or Jim Ryan's mouth.
@T-Bone09 i remember me playing a spiderman game on my gamecube but sadly Sony owns the rights for that ip now and made it impossible for me to play spiderman elsewhere last and current generations.
@Friendly
I had a GameCube too and I loved it. But Activision had the rights to the IP and when there was a falling out Marvel Games went to Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft turned it down due to working on a project at the time. And Sony took a chance on it and it turned out great. That’s what makes Sony different. It wasn’t just another spider man game with the story from the movie. It was completely original.
Xbox has had good games that they haven’t ever touched again. They had that Panzer dragon game from the original. Lost Odyssey, Crackdown, that Rome game on the Xbox One.. plenty of titles that could be made.
I just don’t like the part of buying IP’s that have been well enjoyed on current multiple platforms and making them exclusive.
This is what puts a bad taste in people’s mouths.
When Sony bought Bungie they agreed that they weren’t going to stop multiplatform games. That’s the reason why Microsoft did not buy them years ago.
Now I know Sony wants exclusive games and it does for their consumer to broaden their gaming experience. But if you look it’s new titles.. it’s new dev teams they have recently acquired with new games.
Morrow wind and oblivion were really good rpg's. Skyrim was great for its time but having played the ps5 version its quite a tired game now. Would the next entry be any better or different? With the likes of baldurs gate 3 and even the dragon age series i cant see it being the must have title it once was. Its a tricky one really as i'd like it to be released on the playstation because there are the fans that want this but personaly speaking i'm not that fussed either way.
Judging by that ETA, it'll skip series x too
@T-Bone09 that’s all back in the ps4 days.
In the ps5 days sony has turned much more mediocre with their output. Risk is gone, they disbanded teams like the Japan studio, and all studios now have to work on live service games as their new project. They are very much depending on 3d party. If it wasn’t for Square Enix and the marketing deals Sony makes with Fifa, Call of Duty, Resident Evil and Street Fighter Sony would not be in the place they are now. In the mean time we get weird hardware, remakes of games which are a couple hears old. Insomniac is the only studio which is really delivering for Sony this generation, and that studio used to be making games for other platforms less than a decade ago.
It’s just how business works.
As I said, Sony needs competition, I’m glad Microsoft is upping their game a little this gen. Looking forward to what competition will bring to our hobbies. Which new experiences we can look forward to.
@OrtadragoonX It should have died with Snes and Genesis, unfortunately the internet and social media made it worse.
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@Friendly
To each his own opinion. The development cycle does suck these days.. my favorite era was on my ps3 07’ upward when games were being released and you had to hold off on getting games because they were so many coming out at the same time. Now it’s not like that. We had God of War late last year, FF16 this year, Spider-Man 2 this fall.. and some new titles in 2024.
Microsoft has confessed the same thing. Development time is on average 4 years per studio.
About marketing deals.. that’s what you said was called business. Sony is the leader in market share and majority of multiplat games are sold on ps5 other than PC.
Back in PS3/360 era Microsoft did all the marketing rights. They had the Xbox emblem after every EA commercial especially EA sports. They had timed exclusive content to Call of Duty.. they had also paid to keep certain games exclusive or time exclusive. This was Microsoft’s business model.
It’s just last gen Microsoft was forcing players into their design of entertainment. That’s what made the Xbox One do so horribly. Sony listened to consumers and that’s why PS4 did so well.. I guess we can agree to disagree because I do believe Sony does try to find new ideas and new developers like venturing in Chinese development.
And Sony does help with development and other 3rd party studios like the team of Callisto Protocol. They used Sony’s motion capture and their cinematics.. now I know that game got bombed by some critics. But the part that I’m seeing is Sony does try to help devs and wanting them succeed.
I may see more than some others because I look at gaming news very frequent.
But I do agree the dev cycle is so long and also so much more expensive.
I did hate the demise of Japan Studio but I do think most of the people that worked there are involved with the team that created Astrobot and are working on a new game.
Every current dev team at Sony are working on new games and or that one dev they have working on ps3 and ps2 games for their premium subscription which at the time is a waste of money in my opinion.
This was always going to happen the second they bought Betheseda.
These threads are great for informing me about the latest set of console warriors I should use the handy 'Ignore' button for. Four down and counting.
It amazes me how some people actually thought this game would release on PS5.
@Ultrasmiles starfield will come to playstation in a year.
starfield only sold around a million copies on steam.
and gamepass subs didn't increase before the release of starfield.
Sony should just make their own fantasy IP to compete against it. They have studios capable of at least attempting such a thing.
Of course TES VI won't be on PlayStation. Only reason why Spencer can be "undecided" about it is because there are not target platforms announced for game. But I'm 100% sure there will be no PlayStation version of TES VI.
@Tecinthebrain remember when Microsoft tried to double the price of Gold and only backtracked when they got a massive backlash. They'd be exactly the same if they were the only player in the game.
Who's hogging all the games now that are more popular on playstation 🤔 sure Microsoft don't care about xbox consoles sales mu butt. Obviously they clearly care and more playstation gamers wil be Jumping ship, luckily I've got both consoles so win win.
There are so many naive comments here. Xbox don't owe PlayStation anything. Why are PlayStation fans demanding that Xbox share their titles with nothing in return???
After Fallout 4, 76 and Starfield I think it’s safe to say TESVI will flop hard by the time it releases in 2030.
It’s a damn shame Sony stifled modding for Skyrim on the PlayStation version, it’s the last good game Bethesda released.
Who the f.... cares? I mean, it isn't like playstation doesn't have games.
Just buy the S, cost like £200 and Game Pass is worth it tbh.
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Lost interest with Elder Scrolls after Oblivion (which was brilliant) Skyrim just didn't grab me at all.
That said, Elder Scrolls Online is still quite good fun and will continue to be supported on the PS4 & PS5.
@MonsterTamer Won't that phone cost 1000 euro or something like that though?
Loved Skyrim when it came out in 2011 but I don't have the time available to enjoy a game like that now. As much as Starfield sounds mildly interesting I would not buy if it was for PlayStation. I'm more into shorter, more linear games with a good story as I can only play a few hours on weekends. Not having Elder Scrolls for PS5 or Ps6 doesn't really affect me
@romando They are crap though.
@HwuaiLiang talking about ps5 here. Not ps4. Not even 5 of those are ps5 exclusives or have started development during ps5 days. All that is being started now internally are live as a service games. 60% of all money Sony is investing in games production for the ps5 goes to live as a service games (https://insider-gaming.com/sony-live-service-games-investment/ ). The other 40% probably goes to Insomniac and 3d party. Sony is throwing away their 1st party legacy they built up during the ps4. And that’s the problem.
Keep up.
@T-Bone09 respectful post, thanks.
I’m just saying that currently most money goes to the development of live service games, towards random and weird unnecessary (imo) hardware which only works with other Sony hardware and price increases because they can, because the user base apparently loves Sony so much.
In 3 years the gaming landscape of Sony will probably look totally different.
@HwuaiLiang i just linked you an article which refers to the presentation given to investors.
Not enough evidence all of a sudden?
@Mauzuri Starfield is not a huge success. It's the smallest seller they have had. Game pass is inflating numbers.
You can see on steam charts that it already dropped to sub 90k concurrent players
@Nem that's not accurate, at all. It was a huge sucess.
"The Xbox game, which is also on PC, became the fastest-selling new IP of the year, and the fifth fastest-selling game of the year overall. Its launch sales are ahead of Final Fantasy 16 and Resident Evil 4, but behind Hogwarts Legacy, Diablo IV, The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and Star Wars Jedi: Survivor."
And that doesnt include gamepass numbers. It had a huge launch.
Source: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/starfield-is-the-fifth-biggest-game-launch-in-europe-this-year-so-far
Bethesda also said it was their biggest ever launch, not smallest lol
@Sakai It's PR talk. Go on steam charts for the truth.
@Nem no its official sales data from GSD. Try clicking the link lol
@Sakai i did. It's shipped as well. Not sold. Steamcharts actually shows you if people are playing.
@Nem it's official sales data from GSD for Europe including physical and digital lol
@Sakai I don't know where they are getting the data, but i do know the data of how many people are playing on steam is representative of the truth. Can't spin or fake that one.
The data shows the game had a smaller launch than baldur's gate by far and has already lost more than 2/3rd's of it's players.
@Nem they tell you where the data comes from at the bottom of the article. Its the official sales data for Europe from GSD. It includes physical and digital and there is nothing more reliable or accurate for Europe. It had a huge launch, that's what the data proves, nothing like the picture you tried to paint
"GSD digital data includes games from participating companies sold via Steam, Xbox Live, PlayStation Network, Nintendo Eshop. Major participating companies are Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Codemasters, Electronic Arts, Embracer Group (including Gearbox, Koch Media, Sabre Interactive), Focus Entertainment, Konami, Marvellous Games, Microids, Microsoft (including Bethesda), Milestone, Nacon, Paradox Interactive, Quantic Dream, Sega, Sony, Square Enix, Take-Two, Ubisoft and Warner Bros. Nintendo and 505 Games are the notable absentees, alongside smaller studios."
It only doesn't include digital data if the title has an * next to it
Think you need to read it again lol
@Sakai Ok,since you can't google and say i am painting it. I got the link too.
https://steamcharts.com/
I simply don't believe your article cause it's not in an official channel. The article itself says it gathered up two weeks of availability cause of the premium edition. The numbers are purposely inflated to look better than they are.
@Nem the link I provided includes Steam sales, and it was the biggest new IP launch of the year and the 5th best selling launch of the year. The complete opposite of what you are trying to say lol
So you don't believe official sales data. Because it doesn't suit your false narrative? Weird
@Sakai Who cares if it is "new IP"? Lol. You can clearly see who is spinning.
5th best with 2 week "sales" counted together. On steam the game had a 330k launch and is on 87k.
Yes, what an amazing sucess dude. You must be impressed.
@Nem i didn't make the game, so im not sure why i would be impressed.
I was just correcting your false information with some facts. They are not my numbers, they are the official sales numbers for Europe from GSD. You are the one spinning false narratives that are easily disproven with just the most basic Google search.
The sales data was widely reported if you would prefer a different website to prove you are incorrect? I dunno why anyone would try to argue official sales data but here we are lol
@Sakai I did not give false information though? It's all right there on the steam chart.
I didn't spin things like "new IP" biggest launch. Your for clicks article does.
I don't believe the article. The data was not revealed and the article itself admits it's inflated. So i cannot argue with what's not there.
Steam charts has real hard numbers. They are the truth. The game is far from a raging success when it's already lost 2/3rds of the playerbase.
@Nem GSD provide the sales data for Europe each and every month, they are the official sales figures. Why is this so difficult for you. This is not a new thing lol
The game was a huge sucess, who cares? We should all be supporting the games industry
@Sakai There were no GSD numbers though? Link me the actual data.
I am contesting the article. You are hiding in this GSD value we don't know. The article is spinning a middling launch at best as a big success. 🤷
@Nem I give up. It was a huge sucess, get over it lol
@Sakai As successful as losing 2/3rds of the 330k playerbase on PC in one week can be.
@Nem you are absolutely clueless. Blocked
@Sakai I am clueless cause i look at real numbers rather than the yarn spun without revealing them? Happy to be clueless then. 🙂
Starfield is turning out to be one of the best games I've played in years so I'm looking forward to Elder Scrolls 6 on Xbox.
@HwuaiLiang
You're literally arguing over who is less underhand and cut throat. Not a great accolade for the "winner".
Sony when they started out, paid to keep games off Sega consoles.
MS and Sony have both been at it since they entered the console market and brought their big bully boy business tactics with them.
Arguing one company isn't doing it as much as the other isn't exactly praise or anything to be boastful about.
@slayernz Larian is a studio with more employees than most Sony and Microsoft studios, are you really going to call them small?
@Nem that is the upgrade pack.
if you bought the normal game you can upgrade it for 35 euro to get premium skins.
@The_ghostmen Thanks, i fixed it. Didn't know they were selling upgrade versions separately.
@Nem me nether nem.
@HwuaiLiang metacritic score does not mean the game will sell.
the game ''Season'' had 8 and 9 scores at the release but only sold around 20.000 high metacritic score does not mean it will sell.
@ApostateMage ....the ONE decent, mature comment here. Took a lot of scrolling to find it 😉
well... i wont be buying an xbox or a gaming pc, so it might be a game i will never play if this happens.
its sad, but whatever, there are tons of games to play.
@KingPev what you actually mean is the one comment that agrees with your opinion 😅 Glad you found it 👏
I don’t think starfield is a bad game. I spent 45 hours playing it. It’s just not the big system seller that Xbox fans want it to be. And that’s ok. Like it for what it is, which is a really solid BGS rpg 👍
@MaikonCSGarcia not necessarily talking about how many people worked on a project, sometimes u have to think outside the box, talking about history, expectations, money available etc.....
@UltimateOtaku91 a little scummy sounding, sure. But Al companies do this lol. What’s your stance on Amazon if I may ask?
@OtsutsukiBoruto Hell no! Square staying how it is, is how it should be.
@romando They are crap when they aren't coming to someones favorite platform. That's how console wars work. Just read some of these comments.
@awp69 this is the way. My last gaming experiences are TOTK, FF16 and Starfield. Love them all and the fact that I can play all of them.
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