Just One Day Later, Microsoft Has 'No Plans to Bring Game Pass' to PS5, PS4

Im waiting for PS Premium to come to Xbox 🙄

I think the Tim guy was probably just meaning games like call of duty/ Minecraft which are obviously already on playstation. I highly doubt either sony or Nintendo would allow game pass on their platforms. Although I could see Microsoft bringing more games in general to both playstation and Nintendo platforms.

They want Gamepass on PlayStation but they know Sony won't allow it

Don't think there's lots of people out there that want to play Starfield on their PS5 after how "meh" the game actually turned out to be.

This is the biggest flop in Bethesda history at the moment.

This seems obvious. Like I said yesterday it seems like Microsoft is just lookin for sympathy and “good guy” points again.

Well of course not, did anyone seriously believe they did? That will only happen if and when MS go 3rd party.

So, we already know that MS’ business strategy is to get XGP and XCG on as many screens and devices as possible - very similar to what Netflix did last decade.

It will never happen in the current form because the Big Three aren’t going to allow one of their direct competitors to undercut them on their own platform. Someone would have to lose profits for these deals to happen. It just sounds like higher up speak tbh.

Their position as dead last in the console market is more clearly defined than ever. At this point, "we want GamePass on the other systems" has a different connotation to it.

Months ago, it could have been seen as "we want to dominate every space in the market", but now it sounds more like "we're giving up and planning to slowly turn into Netflix with extra steps". As the popular narrative changes so do the statements that attempt to reshape it.

Starfield would have sold well on ps5

Why would anyone hope to play Starfield. It's a Bethesda game

Man, Xbox are confusing even themselves. How could messaging be this mixed even between Execs? They clearly are not on the same page cause you dont "mistakenly" name drop your 2 biggest competitors saying you want to put your service on their platform.

People maybe should read more properly.

Stuart was talking about games and services in relation to Activision Blizzard specifically. But in age when every non-story have to be turn to shocking story, this is where we ended up. People latched on 50% YoY sales drop of Xbox consoles in Europe, tied this to Stuart's statement taken out of context and suddenly Game Pass is coming to PlayStation and Microsoft is exiting console business.

We all know everything they say over at MS is nonsense.

Why are people rooting for Microsoft to exit the console space and just be a 3rd party publisher. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon as there install base is not negligible at all, despite Sony doing much better. But even if it did, do you really want to have the console market with only one player (there's still Nintendo, but we know that market is quite different)? The ones that benefit mostly from strong competition are the consumers....

It doesn't really seem like a contradiction. Microsoft would presumably love to have PS5 players paying for a Game Pass subscription, but I can't see Microsoft being able to achieve that any time soon.

There are no plans because he knows the competition will just laugh at his attempts.

Playstation and Nintendo don't need Xbox like Xbox needs PlayStation and Nintendo. Nintendo pump out so many great exclusive games they don't need any subscription to sell its system, and Playstation are in a position where they have the higher subs and console sales, bigger third party exclusives and are dominating regions around the globe compared to Xbox and I don't see that changing, if the Juggernaut Bethesda releases a massive exclusive new game and that still didn't put a dent on Sony's market share then nothing will.

They have no plans because the other platforms don't want it. If they did, I'm sure it would be in their plans.

@Casco I think it's because they're not good at making consoles.

Good. I'm sure they got laughed out of the room if they actually asked Nintendo & Sony if this was a possibility, but still it's better this way.
Series X is getting heavily pushed with discounts, they just need to get their games right, man. Almost every big release since Xbox One has been a disaster in some way. Take all those unlimited resources and find a way to make some bangers. How they've let Halo & Gears decline so far is just mindboggling. They need to find some of that 360 magic or they will never compete again.

@CutchuSlow What? The hardware itself is top-notch, having both PS5 and Xbox Series X I definitely think the Xbox looks much better and is also more powerful. The usual criticism is that they lack exclusives........

And yeah, sure kid, no one likes Activision or Bethesda games...I'm sure no one would like them having in their platform ...

@Casco The ones that benefit mostly from strong competition are the consumers

I keep seeing people say this but how is this true? Because of "Strong Competition" playstation players now have to spend an extra £250 to play Bethesda games at a console level experience, no mobile phone 720p laggy gaming. Also those that liked Bayonetta now have to buy a £200+ Switch to play future titles.

The only thing "strong competition" is doing is costing consumers more and more money and making people who can't afford that miss out on certain games they used to be able to play on their main console. And we all know by "strong competition" that means buying massive third party publishers and making their games exclusive instead of buying independent studios, employing talent and making great games.

Because of Strong competition, to play new Elder Scrolls, Bayonetta and Spiderman games I now need to spend close to £1000 to play them all, yet 9 years ago I could play all those games on one system. Strong competition isn't benefiting us consumers.....

Id rather one system with all games on it, yeah the corporation behind it could charge £100 more than it should cost meaning we have no choice to pay it if we want to continue gaming, but that would still be cheaper in the long run.

PS, sorry about the long reply.

@Casco Series X being more powerful doesn't make that a nailed-on positive in favour of the X. Sure, MS designed the console to have more grunt than the PS5 but the PS5 was designed smarter than that. Sony's architecture often out performs the X because it's easier to develop for.

@UltimateOtaku91 what incentive would Sony have to make things better? They could make everything live service since there is no other option and we would have to suck it up or abandon the hobbie. Careful with what you wish for. One option would definitely make the industry worse, not better.

I wouldn't take this with any kind of anger or double speak or anything of the sort.

One Executive put out a "Wishlist" for Game Pass and then another Executive says "But it's not actually happening at the moment" because people on the internet read into things way too much.

@Casco you're not wrong. We're already seeing the results of a struggling Xbox: that being the most uncreative, boring era of Playstation yet. No fight in em at all, just the bare minimum, if that. Sony needs MS (or some kind of actual competition) to light a fire under Herman Hulst's ass already!
As more the article itself, I believe there's a difference in wanting something to become a reality, & actually having a plan in motion. But, once again it's like shooting fish in a barrel here.

Let's wait to see how this ages in 3 years. Or the next MS email leak

@UltimateOtaku91 I think one system only sounds like a terrible idea. Like it or not each system brings something different to the table but sadly I believe your right and it will be one system with dozens of individual subs. Sounds *****

@DualWielding Correct. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

They “want” it everywhere but have no plans to do so because of what you said. Simple yet clearly people in the comments can’t grasp this.

Microsoft "Hey, we want to bring our GamePass to all platforms, even our competitors platforms! We want everyone to be able to play our games!"

Sony&Nintendo "No."

Microsoft "Hey, we have no intentions of trying to bring GamePass to our competitors platforms!"

Of course they won’t tell the public, it will put people off buying their current console. They won’t lie to their investors though.

Of course they don’t. Sony would have no reason to do that. GamePass hurts game sales.

Microsoft said the quiet part out loud to soon now they trying to take it back lol.

@UltimateOtaku91 No way dude, PlayStation when Microsoft was more competitive where tripping over their feet to try and win everyone over. You're currently seeing the results in real time with Sony now that Microsoft is way behind PlayStation.

Sony has raised the priced of almost everything they can get away with and their game output isn't as varied as it once was, were basically getting slight variations of the same type of game

@Casco I bought an xbox series x. It was mistake. Ads on the home screen. Can't record clips longer than 2 minutes on internal storage. Only on external storage. On PS4, it can record in background for up to an hour and you can choose to save the last one hour video. On Xbox it's just 15 seconds or 1 minute. I can't remember. Can't upload videos to YouTube on xbox. There's probably a lot more things I don't like that I can't think of atm. Ah people get banned now for the smallest thing. So, so far, nothing appealing about the xbox.

It's not about how powerful it is. It's about the features. How easy it is to do things. Xbox makes everything complicated.

I didn't get a PS5. I ended up boxing the xbox and built a gaming pc.

I think that if MS only did a Xbox exclusive subscription and Sony would get the regular 30% they would be fine, but not the whole shebang as it would undermine their store.
Personally, if I wanted to play Xbox exclusives I would buy an Xbox but I don't.

@Grimwood probably for similar reasons people will be crying on here when Elder Scrolls 6 is a Xbox/PC exclusive and they can’t play it would be my guess.

@GamingFan4Lyf You’re correct 100%, but the people that want Xbox to leave the console space just lost their carrot today. Xbox already has a next gen deep into development as does Sony. Could it be the last console cycle as we know consoles as today? Probably, as cloud and AI will only become more and more involved and who knows where that takes gaming in 10 years. 10 years ago the fastest way for me to play a game was to drive to the store and buy it on disc. Now i have 1000mbps internet in my home and i can download a 75GB game in 11-12 mins. Xbox and PS will be in the console space but possibly in different ways in 10 years is my point, and i even think it’s safe to say in 10 years Sony’s plan will look a lot more like MS’s in that PC and mobile won’t be able to be second fiddle to the home console.

It’s going to happen. They have to walk it back so they don’t absolutely kill their current generation.

@DennisReynolds if Sony loses the 7.6 million lawsuit against them they will be 3rd party. Nah just kidding, MS and Sony aren’t going 3rd party anytime soon. They are doing making money on their platforms. There is no reason to quit. Especially when one company now makes WOW and COD money on any screen that plays it. The good news today should be we all have competition to keep each company competing for our money and time. That is what makes any industry successful.

@OmegaStriver if it don’t happen will you admit to being wrong and having no proof of your claim other than not liking MS while probably on this site with a windows computer?

@PixelDragon I mean, multiple posters yesterday said they would sign up for Game Pass if it came to PS5, PS4.

@PixelDragon there's been some 'what if..' conversation but yeah, noone was expecting it really.

Guess they got laughted by both Ninty AND Sony this time.

This is getting kinda stupid, kinda like a "He didn't punch me, I headbutted his fist" scenario.
Just take the L and start working on games that work outside the NA mentality and tastes Microsoft, worked for Nintendo, worked for Sony and it should work you too.

@Ichiban you are close to being on my side of the take here. We need competition to make them both compete for our time and money. MS has great hardware and services this gen, but they are coming off a gen where they screwed up huge and have to earn back trust and gamers 1 by 1. That don’t happen overnight. We are seeing a rough Sony due to them internally seeing that spending 250 million on the last of us 2 plus marketing and shipping the games don’t net them much profit and it’s not sustainable without other higher revenue streams of setting it. So they shifted to gaas games and their studios either A don’t like it or B don’t have that type of skill set to produce them. The amount of time it took has set back the release schedule something terrible. Meanwhile their competitor just bought some of the largest cash cows in the business in WOW, COD, Candy Crush and others. That isn’t going to be fun to compete with. But i agree we need all 3 doing well and that will drive a healthy industry for us all to enjoy.

@PixelDragon Sony can’t afford to stay on just the console either bud. Console revenue is down from every gen after PS2/GC/Xbox. The money these days is in PC and mobile. Kid’s today prefer to play on those devices and it’s smart business sense to be on every and any screen someone is willing to spend money on. Sony could sell 200 million PS5’s and Xbox’s strategy with only 60 million Series consoles would out profit it. Thats the thing i am wanting Sony to finally plunge and bring PC day and date. Which they will by or before PS6. They have to. They have internally admitted to being low profit. Hence we don’t get Jak and Dexter or Sly and ICO games anymore. They can’t, they have to give us Spider-man cause they can only sell those games to anyone with a PS5. Those games cost 250 million to produce, then they have to pay to market and ship them. This was all revealed in court by the way, i am not making this up. 😊

@HonestHick I have absolutely no doubt that the gaming space is going to look vastly different in 10 years.

Except for maybe Nintendo - somehow, I sense, it will continue to be Nintendo for years to come. 😁

@MrGawain Microsoft needs to take a page out of Sony's book and slap a Remastered tag on all the legacy games that have Series X|S enhancements and resell them at full price.

🤣

@DualWielding if it benefits Sony why wouldn't they

You clearly do not understand what 'strong competition' means, @UltimateOtaku91. Exclusives are just part of it.

Let me put it this way; If Xbox were to cease to be a thing, leaving just Sony as the only 'high-end' console (so discounting Nintendo because they do their own thing very successfully) then what would that mean?

It would mean that if you want to own the premium PlayStation console, it now being the only 'high-end' console, and the only place that you can play premium AAA exclusives, then you can pay the premium price for the privilege. The only reason that the PS5 and the Series X cost the same this generation is because they were directly in competition with one another. The only reason that games cost the same on both systems (but not on Nintendo) is because both consoles are directly in competition with one another. The only reason that PlayStation did their version of Game Pass is because... well, I guess you get it by now!

Take away a direct competitor and you have free reign to charge what you think you can get away with. If that means add £100 or £200 or maybe even more to your console price next generation, then cool. Let's do it! Sure, Sony would lose some to the Nintendo, but they're not offering what Sony do, so it's their loss if they don't buy into Sony's ecosystem.

Likewise with the subscription services; the costs are more expensive than the Xbox as it is, but if that competitor were to go, then Sony could charge even more, and you'd simply have a take it or leave it result because there would be nowhere else to go.

And then finally the games; as with the consoles, Sony were the first to increase their prices for games, but without direct competition, the prices could easily increase and the only choice you would have, if you wanted to play these premium games, would be to take it or leave it.

As it stands, if Sony were to increase the price of their consoles by £100 or £200, or increase their games by £10 or £20, or increase their subscription service still higher than the Game Pass, we the consumer have the choice of going over to the Xbox. Yes, I know they do not have the AAA games and third-party exclusives that the PlayStation has, but if the point is to same money, you do have somewhere else to go. If Xbox were to cease to exist, then you would not, and then Sony would not be bound to whatever pricing policy Microsoft offers.

That is why competition is important...

Put gears on playstation it'll do well

@arsmolinarc lmao its not more of a flop than Fallout 76

Wanting to do something and having plans to do something are different concepts that don't conflict with each other

What! Spencer, Nintendo best friend (in his mind lol) said NO and NINTENDO in the same statement? Can't be real.

I’m sorry, but I still think it’s going to happen. And of course Xbox CEO Phil came out and said “they have no plans” to do this, as most people will buy their PlayStations and wait until the opportunity arrives that they can play first party Microsoft games on other consoles. It would be suicide on his behalf to not allude to the possibility of Xbox consoles moving forward, but slowly and surly, that ship has left port.

I don't really think this is news. The statements don't even conflict with one another. One says they "want" Game Pass everywhere and the other says there are "no plans" for it on PlayStation or Nintendo. That doesn't mean Spencer doesn't want it on them.

@Yaycandy Based

@Fiendish-Beaver
If Microsoft leaves, someone will show up to fill the gap, just as Nintendo filling the gap Atari left or better, just as Microsoft did with Sega.

Happened before, will happen again, that's the beauty of this market.

@SolarSailor Its Sarcasm based on the idiotic middle school rumors

@InsaneWade
You're not wrong in that line of thinking, my bet lies on Steam Deck, and it would be awesome if Deck stepped in as a direct competitor.

@PixelDragon well i understand what you mean there. The gaming space from a software perspective is a lot different. A lot of it isn’t for me either. I used to buy a lot of games per year. Now i buy less and just play them longer. Take care and find yourself something you can enjoy to play 😊

@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah maybe in 10 years Nintendo will have a friends list. That might be about all that changes with them haha. But i love me some Nintendo. Always did. However there is at least 5-6 things i would love to change about them. 😊

@Yaycandy I know you were joking. Based is a slang term

@HonestHick You can check my name. I’m active on my Series X.

The last report of Microsoft wanting to bring Xbox gamepass to PlayStation and Nintendo, I never bought that story. It never made sense. Spend 70 billion dollars to put all your games on competing platforms. They’ll still put some of their games on PlayStation and Nintendo’s next system, but I never thought for a second they were trying to bring gamepass to those systems. Phil Spencer has a different approach to those at top at PlayStation and Nintendo, but he is turning things around over there. I want to see all three of the console manufacturers do well.

@OmegaStriver thats awesome buddy. Keep playing on both. Both have a lot to offer. 😊

Even more so if the Baldur’s Gate 3 to GP rumor is true.

There is a difference between "Wants To" and "No Plans". Just because they want to do it, does not mean that they can, so they cannot make any plans until it becomes viable. So basically both statements over the past few days can be true and not contradict each other.

Oh please... no one had any hopes.
They are not conflicting comments. They want but have no plans currently. What's conflicting about it?

Microsoft is lazy, keep talking nonsense, they want to sell their games by doing absolutely nothing.

The only way I see game pass on playstation is if xbox stop making consoles.

No plans because it's dead on arrival. The equivalent of saying "Well, I didn't want to go to your party anyway," when you find out you were not invited.

@PixelDragon well i understand what you mean. I seen a guy on YouTube that runs a channel saying he would quit gaming if Xbox beats PS. Which is just silly to begin with, but I’m like oh no what would a $250 billion dollar a year industry do without you? 🙄

But in fairness we are never to old to hav fun and whatever it is that you choose to do to enjoy your time i wish you all the best and great health doing it. 😊

*no plans to till after the Christmas sales period

They still have the desire to put it on playstation and nintendo. There are no active negotiations going on because they know that neither party has any interest in allowing gamepass on their console.

Like I said in the other article, this is exactly like the "they are trying to buy nintendo" reports. If that was actually possible they would be very interested but until it is possible all they can do is continue as usual.

Literally nothing has changed in the last couple weeks. They have had this desire for a long time now and will continue to have this desire for a long time.

There is a big difference between desire to do something and actively working on something. Xbox's stance on this is exactly the same as it was a week ago, month ago, year ago, etc.

@SolarSailor Im not with the times Cap

Oh please Microsoft make it stop!

@RudeAnimat0r @everynowandben you’re completely right. This isn’t news because the statements don’t contradict to each other.

Oooh no we dont get to play Starfield! /sarcasm

@TurboTom then why would he say "xbox game pass"?

All the Tim guy said was he "wants" it to happen. He didn't say it's actually happening so I'm not sure why some folks took that comment as confirmation that it's happening.

That is entirely possible, @InsaneWade, but I think that the next Nintendo console will still be at least £100 cheaper than the current PlayStation, and so when we move into the next generation, that gap will likely widen still further back to what it currently is (at least £200) and that is before Sony perhaps hike the price of their console even further if they are not in direct competition with the Xbox.

Ultimately, Nintendo, Sony are chasing, to some extent, a different audience, and I don't see that changing anytime soon...

Nothing new what Spencer said regarding GP, Nintendo and Sony refused. What the CFO was pointing at is with 1st party and strange of strategy that could refer to other titles outside of CoD offered on other consoles. I mean I reckon some titles could make upward of a (half a) billion sold physical on PS5 and titles like Hi-fi Rush could do well on a Switch.

@Jamesblob I don't see the connection between buying a publisher and putting a game streaming service on a rival platform.

Think the phrase is duh

Microshitte will never have its flagship on another platform, that is wiping the floor with their console. They will simply keep buying all the games companies and turning the, into the same broken companies that fold a few years later

No, @CielloArc, you are absolutely wrong! No one will fill the gap vacated by Xbox. Just think on it for a moment; Microsoft are a trillion dollar company that have been in the game for 22 years. They currently hold less than 30% of the market, with Sony holding more than 70%. Who has the necessary money and experience to fill that void if Microsoft cannot do it?

If Microsoft pulls the plug on the Xbox that will instantly mean that Sony will have 100% market share of the 'high-end' consoles. The 30% of gamers that game on an Xbox will have the choice of moving across to the PlayStation, or effectively, moving down to the Nintendo. So let's just assume that 80% of those that play on an Xbox move over to the PlayStation, and the rest to Nintendo, what does that effectively then mean? It means that anyone choosing to enter the 'high-end' console market will be battling against an absolute goliath in Sony's PlayStation, who will have 100% 'high-end' market share. Not just a company that holds some of the market, but a company that has it all.

Any company choosing to go up against Sony will be starting from scratch, with not a single person owning their console. If that company were doing it right, they may start with one or two exclusive games, however, if Microsoft are unable to get a single third-party exclusive with 30% market share, what chance a newcomer? The answer is absolutely no hope unless they were prepared to lose a fortune to pay the developer for it, and it would need to be something truly remarkable for it to even remotely bring in any money.

As for the console, it would both need to match the PS6 in spec, and also be a good deal cheaper if it were to have any hope of luring a reasonable proportion of gamers away from the PS6. Chances of them hitting or exceeding 30% upon release? Nil. Not a chance in Hell.

There is, after all, a reason why no other company has entered the console market in the past 22 years, and it is simply that people have already made their choice (currently either the PlayStation or the Xbox), and companies know that getting people to leave an established brand for a fledgling one is exceptionally difficult, and so it simply won't happen. Effectively, it takes a company to severely mess up (as Xbox did at the start of the Xbox One generation), and for the other to go from strength to strength (as the PlayStation did last generation) for there to be any sizable shift in player numbers from one platform to another. This is why no new company will enter the market. The odds are severely stacked against them succeeding...

This from the guy thinking he was going to buy up Nintendo? No, Im sure he fully wanted it on those platforms, but different people at the company hit reality at different times and realize it won't happen.

@HonestHick

Sony can’t afford to stay on just the console either bud. Console revenue is down from every gen after PS2/GC/Xbox

PlayStation Revenue(millions of yen)
2006: 974,218

2022: 3,644,598
2023: 4,360,000(Sony Forecast)

You’re living in an alternate reality

@Fiendish-Beaver It’s very likely that the existence of Xbox hardware does not keep the price of PS hardware down, it pushes the specs up. Deprived of direct competition they would almost certainly make cheap consoles that do not push technological boundaries and probably sell them at a slight profit.

Hardware will never make serious profit so their goal will still be to get the system into as many hands as possible to drive high margin items like Subscriptions, software, downloadable content etc.

This is why Nintendo settled into this model when they no longer faced any direct competition.

Contradicting Bs, they really hate playstation users with passion and go on with intent to make sure console users never play starfield smdh

@KillerBoy sadly what can we do, Microsoft's own bitterness caused this situation and playstation users are left to either buy a Xbox console or pay 2 grand for a pc to play it, the situation is dire and Microsoft are vile

@ChrisDeku well to give you some insight of how i live. I’m an accountant, i have years of finance and i can read the numbers just fine. While i won’t discredit your yen claim, as i don’t look at that very often. I mainly focus my attention and read reports for US dollars and they give global stats as well. But i don’t look at just Yen stats. My statement is that if you add up every gen since PS2 they are slightly going down and down. We know other markets have came on strong for players and dollars since then. Sony already openly in court admitting that their games don’t make large profits and COD makes more than their entire 1st party. While i do not think Sony will fold in the future, i do believe they will need gaas and PC to carry the bills and there is info out there to support that if you want to live in the real world with us.

@HonestHick 400% increase in Yen is a 400% increase in dollars, just different numbers.

PlayStation makes more money than ever, they recorded their highest ever profit, and second highest profit in 2021 and 2020. Before the end of this generation they will likely have recorded their 4-5 highest ever profit years during the PS5 era. PlayStation revenue is higher than at any point in history and increasing quickly. First party game sales are higher now than ever, and at a higher price than ever.

The average call of Duty game sells 20m copies across all formats. God of War Ragnarok sold 11m copies in 3month, their games are some of the biggest selling games in the world.

@HonestHick According to NPD data the American video game market in 2005 was worth $10.5b and in 2021 it reached $60b, and in 2022 it was $57b after coming down from the pandemic boost.

@ChrisDeku i don’t disagree with you their games are in fact selling well. But the profits for them are smaller than we all thought. They showed in Court that one of their games cost $250 million to make, and then they had to pay for marketing and shipping so around $300 million, throw in a lot of those games did sell at $70 while others sold for less and you do the math on that. It’s not as much profit as they need to have to continue in that direction, hence we are at gaas and PC ports. My point in all this is profits that used to be baked into just selling software now has to be offset with DLC, services and other methods to make high value back. I am in no way saying Sony is in trouble per se, but they will need to change their business up as the market is skyrocking in cost and the decline of money made in consoles per gen. PC is some platforms largest revenue leader and mobile destroys console in money made. I was happy to see them get back in touch with their mobile efforts.

@ChrisDeku https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/09/sony-earnings-q2-2023-29percent-drop-in-profit-for-japanese-tech-giant.html

This explains their yen earnings some. This shows everything other than the PS5 profits being lower than Sony would hope. They are suffering way more in image sensors and picture than video games. PS is Sony’s best market by far as they suck in everything else largely these days unfortunately.

Modern video game costs are unsustainable. Sony admitted that cause once you hit $300 to create the game and more to market it, at $70 a piece even do the math on how many copies sold to just break even? Short answer is a lot. I might be doing a bad job explaining my point here as i have a headache (hangover) but profits are down on these blockbuster triple A titles for both MS and Sony and it’s a large reason why Nintendo uses old tech and creates games for 1/4th the cost of Sony and MS games. They have large profits on their games. Net generation with all the tech advancements there are some that think a Last of Us 3 game or Part 4 would be in the $400 million dollar mark, again at $70 a game there is little to no profit in those cause at that time the market will have been flooded with used copies or people will have waited for the game to drop in price. This is going up and up from every generation and Sony showed in court without COD they would fold. Telling us all we need to know that these single player games they excel in making won’t last, they have no choice but to either go day 1 on PC or they will need to slowly go the MS way and allow their games to be played on any screen. That was the point i was trying to make from a financial point of view. Sorry for the long explanation, and you have provided me with great info and numbers i have also read and agree with, but behind closed doors as we seen with a few leaks, Sony and even PS is much tighter than it appears on the outside. 😊