Rumour: PS5 Pro Targeting September 2024, Will Have Proprietary Upscaling Tech

I’ll be interested in a pro if devs put more emphasise on PSVR or PCVR level games. If we keep getting quest ports I’ll have no big need for it I don’t think.

Day one for me.

Almost certainly real!!

60% of the time, Grubb is right every time.

I could complain etc etc but it will be bought day one. It will be mine, Oh yes, it will be mine

the proprietary tech is interesting

if this is the spec of PS5 PRO where they going to go with PS6?

I seen a lot of why they are using Zen 2 and it makes sense.BC, cheaper and should have higher yields. On top of that Zen 2 will be able to shrink to 4nm and save loads of space. This Pro won’t cost Sony much money at all as it’s mainly using the existing parts. But the extra 30% rumored power will get those 30fps to 60fps and it’s smart to just target 4K, no one is asking Sony to build a 8K machine and it would cost them so much and work to make it BC with PS4 and PS5. So this is a really smart move by Sony’s hardware team and i will for sure day 1 buy it. Can’t wait to see it, i hope they show it off soon.

in Cerny we Trust

Only just got the slim god dam it 😂😂

Day one here too

@trev666 they had it in the PS4 Pro. They were using their own check board tech and it worked fairly well. Sony is hit or miss on their proprietary tech at times. But more often then not i like it. In their TV’s they have the best processors. No one has matched it still.

Oh man I'm still on the lookout for a good PS5 deal as I'm yet to own one, don't know if I can wait until Sep next year 😬

So unnecessary. 😔

This is what I'm holding out for, still playing my PS4 backlog in the meantime. It is very hard not to just make the jump now though. If this turns out to be nonsense, I will cry.

If it means I no longer have to sacrifice the added benefits of "graphics mode" to play at 60FPS, then I'm all over it.

Perfectly timed for me personally, hopefully plenty of games make use of it straight away. Really hoping they have a new first party game releasing alongside it, and not another remaster though I guess the rumoured Horizon Zero Dawn remaster would be my bet.

Have become very accustomed to higher FPS this gen so gimme those specs ..

Any idea of the price range this could be? On Xbox atm but kinda wanna grab a ps and they're version of gamepass 🙂Might be time to grab one I wanna play ratchet and clank games 🤣

Rumors say Xbox is targeting 2026 for a new gen, If so they will be ahead of PlayStation next gen which I don't think would benefit them

Do you guys think that the Pro will be $499? I hope so, but highly doubt it. I'm a Brazilian, so buying the OG PS5 in 2022 here was already a struggle (the price is double just because of taxes), so I'm dreading if the Pro will be more expensive.

God i despise these mid gen upgrades.

N.i.c.e.oh yeah im cool with that.i got a ps4 pro.so im definitely buying a ps5 pro.word up son

If it gives me more performance, whats not to like? Im fortunate to be able to afford it.
I have two at current sandard, but I imagine Id only replace one of them.

more power but no games to take advantage of said power

@Lord_Malice you aren't missing out on too much to be honest. you can count on one hand the number of games that were designed specifically to take advantage of the ps5 hardware and its capabilities. catching up on the ps4 backlog was a good choice while waiting for the mid-gen upgrade.

So I'm guessing a price drop for the base model. Pro probably be 500-600 and base will be 300-400.

Slowly getting hyped for this, sounding more and more like the Cerny Magic™ will be all over this thing.
And when you want to sell new hardware, you usually announce some massive exclusives with it!

I'm betting the Pro will be $600 with disk, either no non-disk option or a $550 that supports the attachable drive of the new "slim." The regular PS5 will get about a $50 price drop at the same time, with another $50 off for holiday sales, but production will slow or stop.

That's based on my own speculation and no insider knowledge whatsoever.

@DennisReynolds

I like when your comments perfectly match the expression on Dennis’ face in your profile pic.

@DennisReynolds I agree, sir.

As we saw with the PS4 Pro, devs won't actually make games specifically for the Pro console - they'll continue to target the base console and maybe release a patch that improves frame rates on the Pro console. Maybe.

The prospect of the console being able to use machine learning and super sampling is interesting, but ultimately people will be amazed by it for a little while and then forget it and get on with playing whatever game they're playing.

@Porco Yup. We are three years into the PS5 and the vast majority of games that have been released are still PS4 titles.

They would have to absolutely amaze me to get me to buy a Pro.

@OtsutsukiBoruto knew Cerny was at the game awards for a reason 😁😁😁

Yep, I will definitely be buying a PS5 Pro, when it comes out!

Yeah, I have to say AMDs FSR3 + Frame Generation in Avatar is simply brilliant.

My 3080 goes from 47fps maxed out at 4K to a solid above 60fps with it on. And still looks fantastic (one game you want to play maxed out is Avatar)

Lets see what Sony comes up with.

If this information on ps5 pro turns out to be true ,then it's all gd ,I personally don't think you can ever have enough power etc for gaming ,and if my finances allow me to be able to afford a pro next September then I'll defo be getting one,

I'll need one when Monster Hunter Wilds drops. I need to play that baby in the most crisp state possible 😎

Day one for me and I will happily accept the challenge of facing the scalpers, I will win too just like I did with the original PS5 (eventually!)

This comment section is exactly why sony gets away with everything. Bunch of sheep “day 1 purchase for me” “cant wait” “im all in”. You guys are the problem name 1 game that would justify buying a ps5 pro. Dont even say gta6 when the regular pa5 can run 60 and 120 fps. The whole ps5 has been a huge disappointment barely any games just ps5 exclusive. The ps4 pro could run 90 percent of ps5 games the same. Now you guys “cant wait” to get ripped off again for another ps5. Insane how blind ppl can be. Ps5 was the 1st console i got on launch and it has been sadly disappointing til this day we dont have folders or themes. But yeaaaaaa new ps5 that does the same and the regular here sony take my money

I mostly play on my XBox series X due to Gamepass (and cheaper multiplat prices) so this doesn’t grab me.

@HonestTruth

The ps4 pro could run 90 percent of ps5 games the same

The PS4 can play practically no games at 60 FPS, the PS5 can play practically every game at 60 FPS.

@HonestTruth FF16 but technically every single game has the potential to benefit from it.

I'm curious though where are you getting your insider info that GTA6 will definitely be 60fps or even 120fps on PS5?

@ChrisDeku So the PS4 pro doesnt run games at 4k 60fps??? Wow ive heard it all on this comment section insane how ppl yapp all sorts of bs without realizing what they’re saying.

@Juanalf That's the spirit, you can do it I'm sure. Teach those scalpers who's the boss, lol.

@HonestTruth Name some games that the PS4 Pro runs at 60 FPS, not even 4k/60. I’ll be waiting,

@HonestTruth

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but what did you expect on PushSquare? I mean, come on! This is absolutely a PlayStation fan site.

@HonestTruth Here’s a list of games that the PS5 can play at 60 FPS and the PS4 Pro cannot:

Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man: Miles Morales
The last of us Part 2
God of War
God of War: Ragnarok
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Horizon: Forbidden West
Ghost of Tsushima
Days Gone
Elden Ring
Alan Wake 2
Control(very important)
Hogwarts Legacy

Etc. etc. you get the idea right?

@ChrisDeku How about you go look online what the ps4 pro can do and what runs on 60fps and 4k. You named all the games that have limited fanbases. The ps4 pro runs all the popular titles on 60fps and 4k from cod,bf,fortnite etc… The fact you think control at 60fps is important is hilarious. Almost every popular game on ps4 pro runs at 60fps. Then you fail to realize ps5 games drop at 30fps as well. So its a Developer problem not the console itself which makes a ps5 pro useless. Fan boys like yourself cant see that thou then the same fan boys will come on here and complain oh sony at it again raising prices blah blah yet you contribute to that increase

No more choosing between graphics OR performance…I want BOTH! 🙂

here is a twist to expectations that would rub people the wrong way: what if the ps5 pro releases as a digital-only sku with no way of upgrading/adding the optical drive? that would be pretty insane but would align with sony's intentions of easing people off physical media heading into the ps6 generation. it would also help to keep the ps5 pro price down by $50USD or so. i'm having a hard time seeing the ps6 release with optical media unfortunately so this is their opportunity to condition people even further on the digital future we are being forced to accept.

@HonestTruth don't want to burst your bubble, but PS5 (and XSX) have been fantastic consoles.
And PS4 Pro can't run almost any games in 4k, let alone 60fps. 4k is typically achieved through checkerboarding (it's a synonym for PS4Pro in my head), technique that produces 4k signal, but poor visual quality with artifacting far worse than even FSR2. One can consider that 4k, but then so is a HDMI upscaler...

@NorrinRadd Ik that ive been a sony fan all my life the problem is these same ppl will come on here and complain when sony raises prices yet continue to buy the same product over and over. Most ppl on here bought TLO 3 times, the same game. Its insane to me how fanboys can be so blind to see they’re the problem. Even ps plus the avg gamer doesnt buy that why since they play free to play games wz,fortnite etc…

@HonestTruth

You named all the games that have limited fanbases

😂😂😂😂

Theres not been anywhere near enough current gen games to push the existing PS5 to its limit like we were getting at this point with the PS4, so im probably unlikely to ever buy one unless my OG Chonky 5 gives up the ghost

@ChrisDeku Call of duty outsells every single game you listed combined. CoD releases every year and sells more copy's then all sony exclusives. Limited fan bases the avg gamer doesnt buy any of that, that you listed. The avg gamer nowadays buys cod,fifa, 2k and plays free to play games such as warzone,fortnite,apex etc… This isnt rocket science no matter how bad cod is it always outsells every other game.

Tempting but i dunno(just bought the og ps5). Gotta see when sony officially announce the specs for pro model. My main priority now is steam deck oled.

Stop trusting Jeff “I got at least the last 3 things wrong but everyone ignores that and still reports what I say as gospel” Grubb.

Day 1 either way.

@HonestTruth

Call of duty outsells every single game you listed combined

Let’s do some fact checking there buddy. Best selling CoD game of all time is Black Ops at 30.8m, worst is infinite Warfare at 13m. The average CoD game sells bout 20m copies. That’s across all 3 formats too.

So average game sell 20m, and about 50-60% on PlayStation. That’s 10-12m sales on PlayStation.

Now some sales figures for Sony first party games:

God of War - 23m(19m on PlayStation alone)
God of War: Ragnarok - 15m on PS alone in 1 year
Spider-Man - 20m+
Horizon Zero Dawn - 23m
Ghost of Tsushima - 9.73m as of July 2022
Uncharted 4 - 16m+
The Last of us part 2 - 10m by June 2022

You get the picture yet, kid?

@ChrisDeku You’re not getting the point the AVG gamer nowadays doesnt care about Fps or quality of the game. The avg gamer nowadays buys the same crappy game over and over no matter how bad it is. You seriously think little timmy cares about the fps on a console? That kid only cares that he can play cod with his friends. Thats why you see cod always on top of sales on psn. The fanboys only care about these so called “console improvements”. The avg gamer is the majority nowadays. The thing you arent seeing is that only hardcore fans will buy the ps5 pro and scalpers. The avg timmy doesnt care which is why warzone is still dominating on ps4. You can argue all you want current gaming issue is ppl accepting getting robbed. Little timmys dont care they arent on youtube vids or push square articles.

@ChrisDeku The avg timmy doesnt have a backlog like most of you. The avg timmy has 3 games installed on his console. The avg timmy doesnt care how bad the game is. The avg timmy invests more in seasons passes and skins rather then new games. The avg timmy doesnt play spiderman or GOW. You get the point now KID. Insane how some of you think in these comments. Not many ppl care about sp games its all br now. Im all sp and bought 90% of what you listed but fanboys like yourself need to stop buying the same product over and over. You’re the problem why sony gets away with ps plus prices, useless handheld console, psvr2 for a huge price etc… Stop and wake up nothing will change

All depends. This thing will be how much money? 600? 700? Could I get 350 for my current ps5? I dont see me shelling out anything over 200 to upgrade it

Needs to have a Cell Broadband Engine integrated.

@kyleforrester87 It’s clearly the three letters on the box, Kyle. God, I hate it when unprofessionals weigh in.

@kyleforrester87 No that's RRP, which will undoubtedly be way above what it probably should be.

Jokes aside, I'm a sucker for tech. I'll pick this up just to play the best console version of GTA6 at launch.

@kyleforrester87 Yeah I agree. I did that with the 4 as well and I'll likely do the same this time around.

@thefourfoldroot1 That will only really happen when PSVR2 and PCVR HMD move more units. It ridiculous that the index is still $1000, and can still only be bought through steam which means the HMD can't be purchased worldwide... And the PSVR2 is barely selling.

Meta has pure dominance over the VR market, and that grasp has only tightened with the massive holiday sales of the Quest 2 this season... You're looking at another million sold of a headset that already sold 20 million plus.

@kyleforrester87 I thought it was PS5 prolapse. So the ram and cpu are on the outside of the console.

@HonestTruth the PS5 has been a bit disappointing as far as the first party studios is concerned compared to the previous generations, definitely less variety (RIP Japan Studio).

Is a good thing exclusives only make up a small portion of what people play on their systems, many of us also want native 4k 60fps with ray-tracing (without having to choose) for our third party games!

Awesome, it's been at least 15 seconds since we've heard a rumour like this. And yet I was hoping the PS5 "lite" would put these rumours to rest. Should we all agree not to speculate on this until at least September next year then?

Can't wait for the PS5 Pro to have remasters of games that were released as 2021. Unless my PS5 craps out me I'll pass. They've barely tapped the power of the current version of the console.

@Juanalf Not just a little disappointing a lot. Key features still missing that were on ps4, 1 to 2 exclusive games per yr is not enough. Ps4 games still releasing 3 yrs after the launch of ps5. Thats the problem for a small upgrade fanboys are willing to pay 550 to 600 again. That is why sony gets away with everything. Only fanboys care about ray tracing and not being able to do it in 4k 60fps. The avg gamer doesnt even know what ray tracing is or does. Nothing important you can add on the ps5 pro that the ps5 already cant do. Idc what anyone says 4k 60fps ray tracing isnt a massive upgrade to fork out 550 or more

Good. Maybe we finally can get rid of reprojection, in PSVR2 games, and keep them running in native 90fps.

It about time as well. More demanding titles, are already starting to dip lower and lower in resolutions. Especially in Performance mode.
So if Sony want to keep this gen going, until 2027-2028, we need more power to keep up. Unless we wanna end up with 900p and 30fps for all big AAA titles, in a few years.

People who complains about the Pro. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Just stick to the standard PS5, if your happy with it.
Same as many did, during the PS4 generation.

@EVIL-C Strictly speaking, videogames are "unnecessary" in general. I think you mean you don't want it, which doesn't mean that other people might not.

@AldusRavencorn Facts were going to get Horizon,Gow and spiderman miles morales remastered. Dont forget the last of us for the 4th time. The sheep really bought that game 3 times. Insane what sony can get away with

@Art_Vandelay We can say that about nearly anything outside of shelter, food, water and oxygen. 🤷‍♂️

Sounds like a cool upgrade but I may skip it due to going more PC focused nowadays and saving my PS5 for exclusives.

@AlexPorto Saudações! I literally just logged in to say hi! Whately86 in PSN. Where are you from? Got my OG PS5 this year, got friends going every now and then. Who knows, maybe I can help you upgrade to pro when time comes.

Meh. It's honestly not needed. The PS4 Pro was released because of the uptake in 4K TVs. I'll be waiting for the PS6.

@HonestTruth settle down. I know you think how you spend your money on video games is some kind of political act that proves how smart you are but it doesn't. You're not some free thinking rebel sorry.

Sold the PS5 a while back and have been Switching ever since.

I will defo bag the PS5 Pro for the games I want to play that are not currently on a Nintendo console:

Baldur's Gate 3 (100 hrs)
Elden Ring (100 hrs)
RDR2 (80 hrs)
Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty (80 hrs)
Crusader Kings 3 (100 hrs)
Mass Effect Legendary (100 hrs)
God of War Ragnarok (40 hrs)
Life of Pi (30 hrs)
Rise of the Ronin

Sony's proprietary tech for upscaling is bound to be another checkerboard-like tech. Didn't vibe with the checkerboarding on PS4 Professional. I'm not convinced PS5 Pro's will be anywhere on the level of DLSS but probably comparable to FSR which isn't anything eye catching with all the blur and shimmer.

Still, looking forward to the update though. Current gen games running in a boost mode taking base PS5 games on fidelity mode with ray tracing to 4K 60fps? A fidelity mode that ups the detail to the max, ray tracing, smooth performance, VRR that actually kicks in at low FPS, will be very very interesting to see what features they add.

There are three things in life that are for certain:
1) Death
2) Taxes
3) I'll be buying a PS5 Pro.

If developers take advantage of it to make graphics better, ill buy it. If they just use it to make frames higher, I couldnt care less.

Be nice if they focused on 4k@120fps in games. Thats what Sony said is the target with PS5. Part of their marketing was based around this, 2.1 HDMI and all that...
But with "lazy" devs, its just easier to come with new machine, new fancy wording and false promises..

All depends if previous ps5 titles will get a "pro boost".
But to be honest I'm more than happy with the base ps5 and my oled tv running vrr

I can’t wait to get one. I’d hand over my money right now if I could.

@HonestTruth I love my PS5 the games run great and it's silent and so fast with loading. No folders isn't something i would cry about.

I don't mind if people want a PS5 Pro you can always wait a decade to get the fastest version if you want to. And you know why we get a Pro later it's cheaper to produce and sell.

If you want to get these upgrades faster it's way to expensive for most people can spend or are willing to spend and after the PS3 Sony won't go down that road anymore.

just to clarify. DLSS raises fps by lowering resolution. it doesn't increase resolution.
i do wish this was made clear. it's not magic. lower the resolution and you get more fps. we've all been doing that since the 90s.
what it does special is anti aliasing on that lowered resolution image so that it's not as bad as the same low resolution without anti aliasing.
simple.

It was just posted on the game community, and the Black Desert director mentioned the pro development kit. The game had a promise for the PS5 version, but there was no update for two years. He said the PS5 version will be available next year with the pro kit. Believe it or not.

If it can run GTA6 at 60fps then it will sell like hot cakes to all current PC users and gamers in general. If it can't, it's relevance and sales will be significantly diminished. Let's see what a 30% cpu uptick and the new upscaling can achieve... I'll probably buy one regardless for much better PSVR2 gaming but I think a lot of it's relevance really relates to what it will be be able to do with GTA6 and upcoming Unreal 5 games in hitting 60. I don't think hitting 40 is enough.

@HonestHick
All this hype with PS5 Pro and GTA6
Everyone should go watch the video on digital foundry and lower their expectations on that one.

Current GTA 6 trailer if running with all that detail on PS5 is actually at 1440p 30K.
So not even native 4K and far from it.
Taking current PS5 Pro spec is gives about a 33% yield over the standard PS5.
Basically there is no chance of the PS5 Pro getting anywhere near native 4K 60fps with GTA 6.

But Sony being the masters of hype and marketing will somehow get everyone’s brain thinking that way.

It’s a great DF video to watch, makes and brought me straight back down to earth on expectations.

I might get it if it's still a quiet machine.

I’d definitely get it if the PS5 was my primary console but since I only use it for exclusives it’s not worth getting imo. It doesn’t look like Xbox will be releasing a mid-gen console to rival it seeing as Phil Spencer isn’t in favour of it and already considers the Series X as mid-gen. I don’t agree with him on that.

Apparently there’s going to be a completely new-gen Xbox console out by 2027 so if all these rumours turn out to be true then looks like PlayStation will only be ahead for a few of years in terms of console tech.

@Pranwell
I’m not arguing or disagreeing, just a video I watched on DF about it all.
They also said you won’t get 1440p at 60fps.
You need to almost double the power to do that or compromise on the graphics a lot to get that.

At best you might get 40fps at 1440p but this for those with 120hz TVs with full VRR.

It will be 1440p upscaled hence the rumours of PS5 Pro improved upscaling technology.

I would love a native 4K 60fps with fully enabled VRR, with all the graphics, it would look and play outstanding. But my expectations are lowered to a far more reasonable level now.

Or when released on PC we could all spend a few grand on a top spec PC.
We can already see top spec PCs running away from this generation of consoles already and being far superior.

@Pranwell
And to answer your question who is asking or thinking it might be native 4K 60fps.
Most of the hype train on the internet about the PS5 Pro and GTA 6.

@TheCollector316 don’t forget PS6 (& PS6 Pro)

If this is a another weak mid-gen refresh like PS4 Pro was then it would suck and show Sony haven't learned from their past failures.

However, PS5 PRO would be truly justifiable if it will guarantee:
4K 60 FPS RT Graphics Mode
4K-ish 120 FPS VRR High Refresh Rate Mode (via DLSS) Performance Mode

No more 30 FPS modes! No more stuttering FPS drops on Performance Mode!

VRR LFC working from 1Hz upwards

Better RT, better more common 120 FPS Modes
Better sharper 4K resolutions via Sony/AMD DLSS or FSR3

I don’t understand why anyone would be excited for this with how mediocre 2023 was and how even more mediocre 2024 looks for PlayStation. A bunch a fake “exclusives” that will get pc releases, yet people want to drop hundreds into the same ecosystem?

PlayStation fans are easily pleased nowadays compared to the PS3 era where people kept pushing for more games and features all the time. Sony doesn’t even need to try now.

@OldGamer999 i agree and seen that video the thing is Rockstar has yet to start optimizing the game. The trailer is going to show off the best footage they have at present time. Now if in early 2025 or even late 2024 if we see more 1440P coverage i would be concerned. But i am sure it will start to get optimized for consoles soon, and at the very least it will still be in it’s best form on the PS5 Pro and thats all the push a company as popular as PS needs. PS don’t need more advantages to selling their console and yet they created yet another one. MS has to understand the console space and what drives consumers to them better.

@HonestHick
Your are right there I think Microsoft have lost their respective knowledge of understanding the gaming console space but more concerning the game console masses themselves.

I think I'll make do with my clunky old regular PS5, not too fussed about having the latest and greatest machine when it arrives. Maybe a PS6 though if they continue the backwards compatibility with it. As for the next xbox console I think I'll stick to upgrading the gaming laptop (if needed) and use gamepass with that.

Might be interested in a PS5 Pro. Actual consistent 4K@60fps would be good (and yes the PS5 still does use checker boarding to perform some of its visuals) A distinctly better looking console would be welcome!

I upgraded to a PS4 Pro from my OG so I could benefit from higher frame rates and higher fidelity at 1080p with the eventual switch to a 4K TV. I put an MX500 SATA3 SSD inside and so the jump to the PS5 has been somewhat depressing.
The PS5 UI still sucks massively and the lack of the PS4 features is jarring (folders, themes, ability to download more that one thing at once, backing up saves to USB, etc, etc.)

Love my PS5 and I feel like games have only just started to properly utilize it's power. I'll be fine until the next gen is here.

Day 1 baby! I need as much console power as possible.

I'm in if it gives me a better VR experience, no reprojection or higher res, not otherwise.
Buy it if it has value to you. I don't see the point in bashing those who do if you don't.
Anyway, why do people get uptight over two specs of console but not over the dozens in PC gaming? I don't hear anyone demanding there be one PC graphics card.

I'm still waiting for that game that'll actually push the visuals and gameplay in a meaningful way, not just the numbers. I barely notice 4k from the 2,5 m on my 65 inch screen and 120fps hasn't been a revelation either. In some instances ray tracing is nice but in the heat of it nobody can tell from baked in lighting.

I still believe there won't be a PS5 Pro, even with all those rumors. None of those so claimed insiders seem credible either. I bet this is another Switch Pro scenario, nothing is going to materialize.

I skipped the original ps4 but jumped in on the ps4 pro to buy it. So I skipped the ps5 and I've been waiting till ps5 pro to buy as well. I'm looking forward to it.

@OldGamer999 they have a lot of work to do and it’s all just games related. The hardware and services and features are all great. But without must have titles it’s all for nothing. They get that figured out and they will be fine, but they haven’t done that much in the last 11 years and it’s getting more than worrying. I’ve lost a lot of trust but a few killer titles can turn that around.

@Porco

Second opinion: The person in question have certainly been missing out. I went from OG PS4 to pro to PS5 and each upgrade has improved the quality of my gaming. Saying otherwise is to appease the unfortunate who can't afford the relatively low-entry fees that are attached to console-gaming.

I never think "man I wish this console have more power" when I play my ps5, I'm more interested in true ps5 slim, maybe with cute horizontal design like psone back then.

I do wish I have folder on homescreen like ps4 though, I hope I don't need ps5 pro for that lol.

When we start getting more PS5 exclusives (and when devs really start optimizing) that’s when I’ll even acknowledge it. Right now it sounds like a joke to even consider releasing a pro version of a system that still feels like it’s in its infancy.

@HonestHick
You hit the nail on the head there.
Killer titles, but also the right style and kind of advertising in the right areas as well. Including brand recognition.
They have two pretty good examples to follow with that with Sony and Nintendo.

I know it’s not games as such but a lots of stores and supermarkets in the UK have gaming merchandise for various ages. Most stores have Sony and Nintendo stuff and Minecraft(Microsoft) but not much Xbox really. The same with posters and that type of stuff.

@OldGamer999 yeah i have been sayin for a while they need Banjo and other type of characters that kids look towards. They have always done well with the older hardcore crowd. But they need to expand and get games that appeal to players that normally wouldn’t look at Xbox. I could even say the same for Sony, i would love for them to bring back Sly and make him more a face of the PS brand. Not maybe as important as a Mario, but Sly is a great Sony mascot in my mind. They slightly tried to make Sackboy into that but i just never felt those games had mass appeal. They were successful to a point and fun but it don’t have mass appeal look and feel to me like Sly could. Overall gaming is in such good shape. MS bringing up the rear is still sell 50 plus million units a generation and making money. Nintendo and Sony are crushing it. We don’t seem to have any Wii U’s or Saturns or Dreamcast’s on our hands these days. Not saying those weren’t fun cause they were but ask any of those if they would be happy with 50 plus million units in sales. With some great games and marketing as you pointed out there is no reason MS couldn’t grow Xbox to 70-80 million a generation and while that isn’t Sony or Nintendo numbers, it alongside PC is a strong enough position that no one would question if they are in this to stay.

@HonestHick
I think they have realised consoles are important to them along side GP, when initially it all seemed about GP, but when numbers appeared during the ABK deal that over 50% of GP subs are on Xbox consoles, not forgetting that’s against all other billions of devices including cloud streaming, they maybe realised the value of consoles.

See for me consoles are gaming and the heart of gaming along with the consoles games as well and this is where the brand recognition and the pure excitement is created for a manufacturer be it any of them.

In summary especially after last generation and up to date now, the brands, the fans, the loyals, the mass general public have their main console brand they love. Now unless Sony or Nintendo drop the ball it will be Sony and Nintendo and like you said about 40 to 50 million for Xbox, I think currently and even moving forward it’s staying that way.
Xbox may grab some extra if they release some top end games and some want a second console like Xbox.

Definitely getting if it means we don’t have to use reprojection in PSVR2 games. Would love to have GT7 running with the flat version’s quality settings & reprojection off.

Would also be nice to have the photo mode raytracing working in game as well

If the pro can produce 60fps(or more) at 4k with all the bells and whistles of the current quality modes,if the games get updated and support that performance(not only Sony's exclusives) and if i can sell my ps5 for a reasonable price and pay a difference of 200€ to get the pro then yes i would buy it.

Only if it definitely doesn’t have the issues my PS4 pro had

Hmm, it is interesting that they would go with proprietary solutions for upscaling as well as adding hardware raytracing.

I would not be too surprised if the PS5 pro will have the capability to automatically apply upscaling as well as the new raytracing solution in any unpatched (PS5 pro patched) PS5 game that uses raytracing at lower resolutions.

This would allow many games to look and run better right out of the gate without the developer needing to release patches.

However with the extra power it would make sense to eventually release patches as that could unlock even better visuals and performance.

It would be similar to how the PS5 was able to run PS4 games better than the PS4 Pro right out of the game.
However with next-gen patches, it got even better.

I really don't think it's necessary.

My main hope is that PS5 Pro isn't just "yet another hardware announcement" but rather is announced as part of or shortly after a very strong Playstation Showcase.

@OldGamer999 they better know consoles are true gamers. I have been on console since the Super NES. I’ve ever only owned 1 PC laptop in my life and hated it and never gamed on it. Then been with Mac and Apple products since around the launch of the iPod. I did buy and run Diablo 3 on my MacBook Pro and surprisingly it ran really well. I just never cared much for the PC controls when Diablo 3 came out on 360. Yes i do think the happy spot for Xbox is around 50 million to 60 million and they will need to grow from there. There are far too many people deep into the Nintendo and PS ecosystem’s to just leave. My eyes are set on what Gears 6, Blade and Fable do. If those are AAA must play well designed and coded games then i will be plenty happy. But PS5 these last few months has won a lot of points back with me and i find myself turning it on more and more. This is my favorite PS since the PS1 & PS2. Sony really did a great job with PS5, well besides the design. Still think it’s a little ugly. Otherwise it’s really good and i can’t wait for PS5 Pro and Switch 2 or whatever Nintendo calls it. Console gaming for now at least is alive and well and that makes me happy.

@EVIL-C Exactly my point.

It is a console to run all the game now “quality mode”,”fidelity mode”…etc, from 30 fps to 60fps, then “normal mode” to 120fps, may some game add a “pro mode”( better ray-tracing, more clear and detail texture, Sony DLSS?) @30fps. Lower power consuming, lower cpu temperature turn out quieter fan, smaller, lighter, upgrade bluetooth and wifi spec..
And, higher price.
That’s it.

PS6? Edge AI..whatever~

it will release one month after the nintendo switch pro, calling it

@Art_Vandelay My underlying point was, we have some gamers, hysterical about how underwhelming this gen has been so far, including but not limited to being "held back" by cross gen titles, and now there's rumours of Pro hardware being trotted out again. I just find it ironic. 🙃

@HonestHick
I would have to go PS4 out of all the Sony consoles.
PS5 started great for me but I don’t do final fantasy at all and not much on Spider-Man so this year not great PS5 wise for me. Hence my 2023 play time at 40hours.
Switch was the best for me easy in 2023 well over 400 hours.
I think Sony may have wasted some studios time on these GAAS games they want to get into and be the next fortnight.
I got the GOWR dlc right but I did say early 2024 so I was a bit wrong.
I got Ronnin right but a little bit early than I said.
And I bet I’m right when I say Sony will have just one big AAA from in house next year only, single player campaign later in the year.

See their console is selling loads in Europe, but down on last year in the USA but still selling very well.
They will ride out next year with not much in 2024 because they can get away with it. Also the Xbox currently is no competition for them really.
Not sure what their other major studios have been up to really.

Sony always worry me, as slightly sell destructive, I remember them when they were number in the TV market and now look around 5th and miles behind the top two.

@EfYI you sound more like a tech enthusiast than an actual gamer.

My PS5 is loud enough - I can't imagine what a Pro might sound like. If it's anything like my PS4 Pro then it's a 'no thank you' from me.

@EVIL-C Got it. I guess people haven't really been able to adapt to a new reality, where games take up to ten years to be developed. In addition, generation swaps have been incremental since the PS4, as opposed to the radical architecture changes we had until then. The Pro iterations simply fall into this more PC-like approach of iterative advancements. Lastly, generations used to last for about 4 years in the nineties, but that has been climbing steadily to the point where the current will last 8. So obviously, consoles now need a stopgap to stay current and relevant.

All that to say that, actually, the PS5 Pro is quite necessary. 😉 I just wonder how Microsoft will fare. They've been being destroyed in the console space lately and that gap will definitely increase if they insist on not releasing a more powerful Series X.

@Porco @Porco
🤔 Maybe, but that would make me the lowest-tier tech enthusiast out there.

I think console gaming is a bargain, and I wouldn't shell out for PC gaming.

I honestly think that if you are stuck with PS4 and are old enough to have some form of job - get a PS5 asap. You won't regret it.

@Art_Vandelay Necessary for who, though? It's great for later adopters, but I've had my original launch day PS4 since 2013 and I can still enjoy using it, without having to buy a second PS5 for my living and bedroom. The PS4 Pro, for what it offered/cost of entry, was not too impressive for me, what with PS5 around the corner at the time. We're seeing the PC market mindset cementing itself in the console space now, to which it'll likely become a staple going forward. At least with Switch it was easy and cheap to buy a second dock, but a $700 second, mid-gen-only console? Ha, yeah as an early adopter, thats a hard no. If my PS5 blew up or was too expensive to repair, sure I'd get it then.

Microsoft still needs to sort out their first party software issues, and I say that as someone who loves the Xbox platform for numerous reasons (like BWC and free cloud saves), and buys most multiplat releases there. Sony has their own software issues too, especially with their GaaS insistence/Naughty Dog fiasco. It won't be fixed this generation, cause as you said, it takes so long to develop these titles, but there's some potential gems on the way like OD, Hellblade 2 and Perfect Dark. Even a mid-gen hardware refresh isn't likely to boost Xbox numbers TOO dramatically, IMO. If Starfield couldn't do it, that ship has likely sailed.

The great inevitable, a pro delivering what the first one promised. Did they do that on purpose quite probably….

@Aggirivator sounds like there's something wrong with yours. I can't even hear mine when the sound from the screen is on.

@Kanji-Tatsumi wait till around fall next year for great deals on PS5's if the pro rumors are true 😂

Originally only the ps4 pro was capable of 4k until a later patch allowed all ps4 to run at 4k providing the TV has HDR10. To me the ps5 pro is sounding like the Xbox one X, at least to me. I personally think Sony is focusing on the wrong ideas for the ps5 with the vr2 for the ps5 selling ~$800, just for the vr2.

@OldGamer999 PS4 was the odd PS for me. While i know i should like it a lot. I only found myself mildly happy with it. The controller wasn’t for me. Found that to be the start of Sony lacking that variety within first party games. Everything felt like an action/Adventure third person game. While God of War and a few others were absolutely awesome. I just found myself more on my Xbox one, especially the One X. For me the PS5 is trying to add variety even tho some are not happy with the titles and genre they have chosen. The controller while not my favorite on the market works well enough and i like the overall hardware a lot. Throw in the fact we are 3 years into Xbox Series X and there isn’t much in the way of killer must have first party titles. Lot’s of great 3rd party games that i think look and perform best on Series X, but wow 3 years and nothing much yet for 1st party is feeling like been here see that again. As for Sony as an overall company, i used to use their TV’s exclusively and had 3 in the house, i am now down to just 1 and 2 LG Oled’s. Sony didn’t have HDMI 2.1 when i was in the market for one of my Oled’s and they had no game features built into the TV’s, outside of TV’s Sony don’t have much in the way of what i use or need. PS is a large chunk of the companies revenue and they need PS to overall have success in some ways. So i know what you mean by that comment. They are turned their TV market in luxury branding and price it accordingly. I would be willing to bet only 15-20% of the PS users on here have a Sony TV. I did buy the Sony Inzone H9 headphones for PS5 and find them really good. You are very knowledgeable and passionate about the industry and I enjoy your feedback and takes on the current market. Things are going to get wild with PS5 Pro, Switch 2 and this 2026 new Xbox. Good times ahead friend.

I'll be getting it. These mid-gen refreshes are the perfect jumping in point for me as they let you skip those first few years where everything just feels like a last-gen game. Admittedly, the situation seemed a little better when I got my PS4 Pro in 2016 than it does now. 4 years in and all I'll probably end up getting are God of War: Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West and Spider-Man 2, only one of which I couldn't actually play already on my PS4.

@HonestHick
Definitely great times ahead in gaming.
The PS5 Pro will be interesting for me but I’m not sold yet. It won’t be the internet miracle machine that will run GTA6 at native 4K with all bells and whistles some boost about for sure.

The Switch 2 for me should release in March 2024, if it’s October 2024 for me they are leaving it to long and chancing their luck with some loosing interest as the Switch drags on and of course later in 2024 it could clash with the PS5 Pro.

Well Xbox and the 2026 thing I’m not sure, as for Xbox in 2024 I’m not sure again. But then again game wise they could do as well or better than Sony as I don’t think Sony have much from in house big AAA campaign game wise for 2024.

For me 2024 most exciting thing is Switch 2, there is nothing like a new console coming to town and if they get the games on release right it could be brilliant.

@EVIL-C "Necessary for who, though?"

That's the point of my initial argument. It's for me. It's for the tech enthusiast who likes both cutting edge and the console experience. It's for the busy adult with disposable income who doesn't want to fiddle with drivers and DLLs outside or work. It's for people who want to play at the highest resolution and frame rate possible without putting up with PC's idiosyncrasies in their very limited leisure time.

And like me, there are millions out there. And it's great that Sony may give us the option. I just find it a little obnoxious when people state their opinion as if it were a consensus. "It's not necessary" implies a false generalization when, again, you actually mean "I personally don't want it".

As for Xbox, I don't think a mid-gen refresh will save it. But the lack of it will certainly contribute to widen the sales gap.

@OldGamer999 i agree Switch 2 will be one of my most wanted in 2024. Especially if the New Mario game is indeed running unreal engine 4. That would look amazing and should run well. I’m excited to see what improvements they make to the Joy cons. Nintendo is in a great position right now, if they play the switch 2 right they should repeat that success.

@EfYI i believe we are coming at this from very different perspectives. as is the case with every console i purchase, it should give me numerous reasons to do so. simply put, sony has failed in selling me on a ps5 thus far for a myriad of reasons. resolution and frame rate boosts with cross gen or ps4 games are nice to have but not a be all factor in my buying decision. ps5 has been a disaster so far in the areas that more people should care about — innovation and new experiences. it has been nothing but remakes and sequels, many of which have become stale in their game design. this card was already played with the ps4 and i'm over it. i can only count on one hand the games that were designed specifically to take advantage of the ps5 hardware. that is a failure by any metric, but especially when you consider the fact that we are going into year 4 of the console. this is a problem attributed to the AAA industry as a whole to be clear, but sony can and should focus on new IP already. the news about its gaas plans only makes this situation that much worse. i don't see a bright future for the platform unless things get shaken up with new management and they pivot hard in the opposite direction. remains to be seen.

i play games from all eras including: nes/snes/genesis/ps1/ps2/ps3/ps4/psp/vita/gba/ds/3ds and modern indie games of all types. obviously, graphics do not matter to me. the quality of the games do. i already have a backlog of hundreds of games that can keep me busy for many years.

so yea... ps5 console exclusives are in low supply. the ps5 console exclusives that we do have are not "must-plays" for me personally. the future of the ps5 does not look bright. i'm having a good time going through my ps4 backlog which will include many new releases such as metaphor next year (i think 3rd parties will be supporting the ps4 for another three or four years at this rate). the price point is a problem considering we are going into year 4 and sony is using cheaper components. the slim warranted a decent price drop. i won't vote with my wallet all things considered.