Although we're still waiting on Sony's official announcement, the PS5 Pro seems to be all systems go behind the scenes. Following on from several leaks over the last few months, a new report from The Verge says that Sony is really starting to push its supercharged console, as it's currently asking development teams to make sure that their games are compatible with the new hardware — presumably ahead of its launch later in the year.
According to this latest leak — which largely overlaps with previous reports — Sony is set to focus on ray tracing and potentially significant graphical enhancements with the PS5 Pro. A more powerful GPU (graphics processing unit) is again being touted the biggest upgrade, making the system "far more capable" when it comes to implementing often demanding visual enhancements like ray tracing. Documents obtained by The Verge say that the GPU is "about 45 percent faster than standard PS5".
The Pro is also described as "a high-end version of PS5" by Sony, and, as you'd expect, it won't outright replace the standard console, acting as a premium option for the more hardcore crowd.
Meanwhile, as was already rumoured, the system's CPU (central processing unit) is the same as what you'll find in the standard PS5. However, a "high CPU frequency mode" — which can be toggled on and off by the user — allows the CPU to be clocked at a higher frequency. In other words, you can tell the Pro to dedicate more power to the CPU, at the expense of "roughly 1 percent lower performance" on the GPU side of things.
And to top it all off, the PS5 Pro will apparently give developers more system memory to play around with; it's a 28% increase — maybe more, since the Pro's memory usage is more efficient — from 448GB per second on PS5 to 576GB per second on PS5 Pro. Sony believes that these enhancements will tie into its PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) tech, which can reportedly provide huge bumps in resolution through upscaling.
Long story short, the PS5 Pro looks like it could provide a bigger graphical push than some players anticipate — and when you add this fresh leak to the previous reports, it's difficult not to see Sony releasing this enhanced console before the year is out. Now we're just left wondering about the all-important price point.
What do you make of these PS5 Pro reports? When do you think the official reveal is coming? Gawk at that ray tracing in the comments section below.
[source theverge.com]
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I'm buying or getting one, PSSR means more use of RT.
Performance Performance Performance.
For me it sort of depends on if it manages to be as quiet as the current PS5. I never wanna have something like the helicopter that the PS4 Pro was ever again.
A £700 console that barely any Dev will bother to take advantage off because barely anyone will have one.
Sony should have focused on making the PS5 more powerful at the start rather conning people into buying a better more expensive one a few years off a PS6.
Not the console we need, but the console we deserve.
What we really need is a bigger focus on the CPU. But we deserve this because we'll all buy it and continue this obsession with graphics
Will get day 1 as the improvements the pro had on ps4 games was great to me and the ps5 has been better on the ps4 games. I got such a back log of games, playing them at the best they could be is what I want.
Make it play PS3 games (maybe PS2 as well) and we'll talk about getting an upgrade a lot more. It seems cool, but I'll still probably wait until the PS6 and get it all that way.
@DennisReynolds Yeah good point. They should have released a £700 console in the middle of a pandemic, £250 above the price of the Series X, and £450 above the Series S, I'm sure it would have done fantastic at retail.
Anyway, I'm expecting this to be around £599. If they go above that they might struggle considering the small improvement to the cpu.
I hope it comes with 2tb
With AI upscaling, higher resolutions/frame rates, RT support, etc., they've got my money. If Sony first party games along with third party titles like Rebirth or Alan Wake 2 get enhanced, even more reason, personally. I would love for resolution modes to run at 60 FPS. Considering PS5 first party games have 40 FPS modes, hopefully the CPU and GPU bump along with PSSR can be the secret sauce it needs to get there, at least for those games.
If Square Enix updates the FF7R performance mode I'm 100% in on the PS5 Pro
@PeakUnagi I don't think resolution modes will be 60, but we should see significantly better upscaled fidelity in performance.
Be interesting to see if anything is worth the upgrade but can't say I'm sold at all.
@Intr1n5ic I didn't say that i said they should have focused on making a powerful console from off that this wasn't needed, i mean the Series X is the same price but has more raw power so Sony could have done it at the same price point if they wanted.
A pro console that'll cost $700-800 dollars that focuses on.....more raytracing. Fan-tastic. Because what Dragon's Dogma 2 and FFXVI need most is more raytracing. The fps is absolutely fine. I'm sure devs will spend a lot of time optimizing for 40% more GPU and more memory for 10-20% of the PS5 install base that's already smaller than the PS4 install base.
I hate myself for saying it but at this point we just need to drop the pretense of "generations" and get on with a PC/phone style annual upgrade and you buy them when you want them, and eventually old enough models from 15 years ago aren't supported anymore. I guess it's nice to have the option, but the option doesn't sound that great, and low developer interest will make it largely irrelevant. Why spend time and money PS-Proing your game for a tiny fraction of the install base who will give you the same exact amount of money if you don't?
@DennisReynolds Oh, don't be so cynical, that's what people said about PSVR2 and that turned out ok!
Though PSVR2 actually is probably more profitable because it's driving software sales of different software to the people that did buy it, while this....is the same exact customers they already had for software anyway and likely changes absolutely nothing in software sales whether it exists or didn't.
@PeakUnagi Bless you for thinking Alan Wake 2 will be 60fps in quality mode.
Man @NEStalgia your long comment popped in while I was trying to type and kicked my comment halfway down the page, making a mess, now I need to edit stuff. 😂
I really don't see how this can make any actual real world difference for any gaming. I'm still playing the PS4 version of Ghost of Tsushima on my PS5 and 4k TV b/c I don't see what the extra $10 would do for my gaming enjoyment. Will the "numbers" come in better, well I'm sure Digital Foundry will find some nice stuff to write about, but are we really going to notice while gaming hours a day?
I was ok w/ the PS4 Pro, I thought 4k TVs needed FauxK gaming, and HDR is nice, but I don't see this making enough fo a difference to notice while playing a game. Measuring this stuff, yes, but focusing on playing the game, no.
Just about to climb aboard the hype train 😁
I will need to see digital foundry in depth comparisons on performance and pixels
No thanks. Really don’t care about this stuff anymore. Just give me fun games - that’s all I actually give a ***** about. As I said on another thread, I managed to play through both Starfield and Final Fantasy XVI (and what i’ve played of Rebirth) in 30FPS, and haven’t thrown up once. I’m just enjoying the games.
Plus for those that say the Series S holds back the X; same situation here. Enjoy!
@DennisReynolds No no I meant more so for first party games. Third party games I expect more so patches for better resolutions and more consistent fps. It'd be nice for quality modes at 60 fps for those games, but I'm not banking on it.
@Intr1n5ic I definitely think it's possible for first party games as those are built for PS5, but third party games hopefully we get at least higher resolutions and fps as patches either at the launch of the console or later down the line.
All graphics, no substance, makes Jack a dull boy
Last gen I bought a PS4, PS4 Pro and then 2 PSVR headsets to complement the systems.
This gen I bought a PS5 and Series X.
I would have to be EXTREMELY impressed to even think about buying a PS5 Pro and ray tracing sure as sh*t ain’t it.
The only time ray tracing has impressed me was with Spider-Man.
Here the industry is pushing a PS5 Pro and it feels like Sony has BARELY utilized the PS5 itself and I’ve had the thing since day one.
I have ZERO hype for this.
I'm a Pass, but I've also kind of switched to high-end gaming PC's. But even if I was still PS exclusive, it's possible I wouldn't upgrade, anyway. With the PS4 Pro, you had the major technological bump from 1080p, to 1440p and 4K (upscaled). Also, so many PS4 games that were 30fps or less heavily benefited from the power bump. Not to mention PSVR...
PS5 games already look great (of course, you can always get better), and so many of them are already optimized to run at 60fps (let alone 30), and even 120fps. I don't think I would drop another $500 for the mid-gen upgrade — I'd prefer to just wait a full generation until PS6. Hopefully this won't hurt Sony financially, as they typically won't start making money on the consoles until a good 2-3 years after they release...
@OmegaStriver
Huh. With your track record I’d think you’d definitely buy the new system haha jk. 😜
@DennisReynolds That extra "raw power" of the Series X has been negligible in every 3rd party comparison since launch. Not only would matching it have been pointless, but it would have cost us more, or lost them more on each one made.
What gets me the most about products like this is the unnecessary negativity around it. You're under no obligation to support this if it doesn't interest you, but why complain about it. If I spent my free time complaining on the internet about things I'm not interested in, I'd never get anything done.
I will definitely buy this. I don’t need it. No time to play anything anymore. But I like to support small businesses like Sony.
Still waiting for some truly boundary pushing games that make use of what tech the ps5 actually has. Astrobot was great- but nothing has come close to using all the features on display! Haven't had a game use and fully intergrate the gyroscope since... the ps3? And half the games are still shipping with a very poor performance mode.
All this focus on graphics- I'm still waiting for something that really feels like a generational leap! Best thing about the ps5 is the shockingly quick load times, haha.
This just feels pointless. I’ve never once felt like the PS5 is being pushed. It feels more like a safety blanket to take pressure off devs struggling with optimisation.
@Intr1n5ic I'm just giving my opinion and you're under no obligation to like it or respond to it.
This thing going to sale massively with gta6.
Need to upgrade my TV first. I have an older TV from the PS4 pro era. It's 4k but doesn't take full advantage
This is nonsense. It's basically a ps6. It will create the same problems microsoft has with the S and the X.
@DennisReynolds Of course I'm not, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of it. You're saying they should have focused on a more powerful console 4 years ago instead of this. Had they done that it would have been more expensive anyway, which you probably would have been complaining about back then as well.
You're also saying we're being "conned" with the release of optional hardware, a product that won't impact the standard PS5's function or userbase in any way. Is every manufacturer that provides a more powerful version of a product conning the customer?
No talk of improved FPS just improved visuals which are already as high as they can get 🙁
Sticking with the 'fat' PS5 I already have. This gen has been pants tbh, so not worth investing in a Pro for extra shiny
Kidneys already on ebay.
It’s got to the point where I’d honestly rather a less graphically accomplished game that comes out in a reasonable timeframe for a reasonable price. Nothing against hardware upgrades, but until AI automates much of the busywork of making games I’ll stick to those that do not strive for performance greatness. Perfectly happy with Infinite Wealth as it was for example, and glad I don’t have to wait a third of my life for the next one, like with GTA.
I don't want to look poor when my friends come to visit so I'll preorder the PS5 Pro if it will be expensive enough.
It doesn’t seem like any major upgrades, just a grab at money. It won’t make the ps5 slim last gen right???!
@cuttlefishjones always on the lookout for a spare...I'll take a look
nobody cares about graphics anymore , games are not what they used to be & neither are consoles . this is the first generation ever where i go months without ever turning on my console & i still can’t believe it
@DennisReynolds conning people....really?
Day one of i have the Moolah. I am a sucker for these things. And i dont care
I think the big thing here is very few games feel more technologically impressive than the best of what the PS4/X1 had to offer (how many recent games look as good as Ghosts of Tsushima?). So there's nothing about the promise of a power variant to contemporary consoles that appeals to many.
All I can imagine this contributing to is performance and graphical augments (like ray-tracing). And only a specific subsect of gamers care about that stuff enough to buy a $500+ piece of plastic, and only a fraction of them ACTUALLY care.
Will it sell? Probably. Will it matter? Nah, dog. (It's also funny the Internet has been crying for a Switch Pro for years, and we get this instead.)
@XenonKnight same here, definitely sounds more like a proper next gen system. That being said, price aside if there’s shortages I’ll let scalpers destroy them before I pay them. A big upgrade for a better experience but not mandatory enough to pay some bum.
Can we get reports from a more reputable source. Not the experts who couldn't build a PC.
Day 1
I'm sick of modern games, which use the full suite of 'next' gen features running at resolutions lower than 720p, then being pushed through a crappy blurry FSR upscaler
Personally not at all interested at this point in time.
I’m playing games like streets of rage 4, tunic, slave zero X… all not graphically heavy or taxing on the ps5. Hell, the same games are playable on Switch.
I’m glad they’re pushing the envelope but look at the graphics (previews) on death stranding 2. Insanely good with current hardware.
Oh well…
I just don't see it. I have literally no desire for it but for the folks that are interested and have the means go for it. Hope you like it!
The only way I'd buy a Pro version is if performance is significantly affected (getting everything to 60 fps), and since this is absolutely not happening (and the situation will most certainly get worse as time goes by), then I couldn't care less.
I'm sharpening my torches and lighting my pitchforks, preparing to fight off hordes of scalpers.
People aren't being pressured to buy one and will still be able to play all the same games so I don't see the problem with Sony giving it's consumers yet another option and ways to game.
@koverby
Traditionally I would buy it day 1.
I wanna share something that annoys the hell out of my friend and I.
Back in the day, there were always games/etc that we wanted to buy but money was an issue.
Now, we are both better off in our lives, money isn’t really an issue, but the game industry as a whole doesn’t tempt us enough to buy games, or things like a PS5 Pro etc. It’s annoying to have the money, but not the interest.
Are there any current games that would benefit from this upgrade.
Doesn't everyone already know that scribbling "Pro" somewhere on the base PS5 makes Bloodborne run at 60fps? 😂
But seriously, I'd get one but I just put my money in my moon vault so I can't actually use it.
I want a moon vault now.
How about some big campaign big AAA games before April 2025 for the PS5 which hasn’t really been pushed to the max by Sonys in house developers.
I pretty sure the PS5 Pro won’t even be half as successful as the PS4 Pro.
Plus if you have a PS5 the next new hardware to buy would probably be a Switch 2 then you get all the Nintendo exclusives and PS5 exclusives and third party games.
What really is the point Sony.
Will this support the detachable drive as well to keep cost on the basic unit down or just all in on everything for the hardcore PlayStation devotees?
@Pranwell
The 2023 4K King of TV's truly is fantastic. I love mine.
If a PS5 Pro gets announced, I'm pre ordering that bad boy.
@K1LLEGAL big time, great fun games is what it’s all about. I wish they’d focus more on that
I am ready, they can release it and I'll be there day one
@nessisonett Spot on. That's all it is. Devs not optimizing their game properly? It's fine, on the pro it'll run better through sheer brute force and the devs don't actually have to do any optimization!!!
Always holding out for the pro versions now, makes so much more sense a few years into games starting to come out for the current platform that I want to play
Pass. Pass. Saying stuff.
So I can play more PS4 games? Neat!
@NEStalgia I totally agree, ray tracing is just a gimmick, for me it doesn't even look good compared to a well crafted scene. We need developers who know how to build a graphics engine, how to squeeze ms each frame. Right now it's clear that this kind of knowledge has left most of studios.
I’m just hesitant to upgrade to a PS5 Pro because the PS6 is probably coming sooner than later. If it’s not really a huge graphical leap, I may pass. I don’t care much about performance. Games look great on my LG CX anyways with the “base” PS5.
@atthegates Don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling devs lazy or anything, they’re worked to the bone in a volatile industry. It’s more that this would allow execs to cut funding to the last month or so of development, which you know they’d jump on.
@DennisReynolds Have not seen anything yet but who knows maybe this thing will be awsome. If its such a massive leap in power then ill be getting one as long as its quiet.
And Sony does not have money to burn like MS so i really doubt they can take the same financial hits.
Again, how can developers NOT take advantage of the upgraded specs?
Switch ray tracing on, increase frame rates, increase resolution, upgrade textures.
If developers can't do that then they should find a new line of work.
I just want more exclusive, I think the only ps5 exclusive I'm interested this year is just stellar blade.
Nice. To play the games that keep releasing on PS4.
Definitely excited for it, It's a Day One Purchase for Me!
I know some people think it's too soon, so their Ok to wait to upgrade to a PS6 in Another 4 YEARS from now in 2028.
But some of us are not willing to wait that long, so the PS5 PRO is a Good fit for us.
But what I Don't Get, is all the needless negative banter about the PS5 PRO, and the pointless reason for it's Existence?
If you don't like it, you simply don't have to buy one, so what point is there to truly be made for feeling so Negative about the very existence of the PS5 PRO?
Again, if you can wait till the Next Generation that's coming out in 2028, more power to you, but why Rain on everyone else's parade with all the Pointless Negativity.
After all, isn't Gaming supposed to be about having Fun, no matter which system your doing it on?
Happy Gaming ✌!
It's ironic to claim that "PS5 is not even being pushed" while knowing (and even complaining) that some games' performance modes look too blurry/low-res and some games do not always hit their target framerates. PS5 Pro will (at the very least) allow devs to increase the base resolution and possibly the quality of upscaling in performance modes (with PSSR), as well as reduce (or even eliminate) framerate drops (when capped) or increase framerates (when uncapped) for GPU-bottlenecked games (which is most modern 3D games), not to mention potentially adding/improving raytracing features without impacting performance. Also, nobody will be forcing any customer to buy anything. So, if you're satisfied with your PS5, then ignore and don't buy the PS5 Pro.
Looking forward to it. Replaced my ps5 with slim and ditched the disc drive and will replace that with a pro
Assuming the ps5pro will feature DLSS like upscaling, that is certainly a nice addition and the people who want a higher resolution will be served.
At the same time a ps5pro will reduce the visible gap between a ps5 and a ps6. The times that performance increases by a factor 10 from generation to generation are over.
Between the ps4 and ps5 there was maybe a factor 7. But from ps4pro to ps5 only a factor 3-4. If the rumored ps5pro specs are correct, one cannot expect a much bigger jump than a factor 2-3 from ps5 to ps6. So, I am really interested to see what Sony plans for the ps6. A paradigm shift and go full raytracing ? (unlikely). Hardware acceleration for nanite i.e. micro triangles? A significant price "reduction" by making it a cloud streaming stick?
Already the ps5 feels to many people just like a more powerful ps4 and it at least significantly reduced loading times and added the extra haptics.
Anyway I am really curious to see what would make a ps6 a must buy. But, we will have to wait another 4-5 years for that.
No way i could afford an upgrade. I will just have to stick with PeasantS5 origional model.
@DennisReynolds agreed about making a powerful console at the start. It should have been 700£ or 700$ but worth 1300 or more dollars in reality. Remember when the PS3 was 600$ but cost more than 900$ to make. Considering inflation the PS3/X360 consoles were more impressive as both Sony and Microsoft made impressive bespoke machines that held up their entire generation. Reports from Microsoft about the next Xbox being the biggest leap yet. I hope the next Xbox is worth 1300$ or more and has more bespoke architecture. So it has more than enough power to make it 8 years without a pro model. Same for the next PlayStation. Hardcore console gamers are the first adopters of new hardware anyways so a high cost initially is fine if the hardware is good. Especially since there will still be a lot of development for the a previous generation which is the trend.
@OmegaStriver
Right there with you, buddy! I have bought up a ton of games when they go on sale, and they just sit on my backlog. The grass is always greener.
You don’t know how blocky you are
@Pistolega
Exactly…. Why a pro? Where are the new games?
For me, there's no PS5 games for me to play.
Everything I want to play is also on PS4 (GT7, Ghost of Tsushima) or PC. Where are the games that make me want a PS5, let alone a Pro version? 🤔
Not for me personally. Makes no difference to how the games play and games look absolutely fantastic for the most part. More than happy to stick with what I've got for a few years.
“Back in the PSSR” love that! 🤣
I’m definitely interested in the PS5 pro as long as the price is reasonable. Ideally Sony will sell this at £500 while lowering the OG price to maybe £400? I can hope anyway!
Day one for me.
All those running around waving their arms in outrage, please feel free to continue to do so whilst I’m playing on it 😃😃😃
Cudos to those happy to wait another 4 years for the PS6 but as an older gamer, I’m hedging my bets and taking every upgrade while I can still move my thumbs! 🤣🤣
@DennisReynolds Pulling PS5 Pro prices out of thin air, then complaining about being "conned" into buying a PS5 like you were forced into doing so.
If you're broke just say so.
@NEStalgia And now somebody's predicting $800, $200 more expensive than any Playstation in history. Not to mention the PS4 Pro was released at the same price as the PS4.
@Intr1n5ic Agree, that was such a weird comment.
After years of hyping up MS, even Digital Foundry have been forced to admit that Sony produced a superior console given its smaller die allowing them to increase their margins on PS5, while matching and often beating Series X.
As others have mentioned, if the ability to play PS2 and PS3 disc games was part of this system then I'd probably reconsider whether or not I'd get one.
Personally I'm really looking forward to the ps5 pro,I was lucky enough to get my ps5 on launch day and it's been really great,I love the fact that Sony are giving us plenty of options ,what with portal ,psvr2 ,Edge controller etc etc and it'll give us yet another option for those that want that extra power under the hood.itll be interesting when we hear about sonys official announcement is gonna be for launch period/date and most importantly price,probably 600quid or around that price ,but we will see
@NattyKing I said $700-800. Not sure where in that range it will be. 750 is likely. But they could eat low margins and go for 700 depending on how hard they want to push it. Rumor was they wanted to launch base PS5 for $600 and dropped the price last minute after Series X announced 500. Given their pricing strategies, I believe that.
Hardware prices don't go down like they used to on the supply side, prices used to fall rapidly, and lately the silicon prices retain value and improvement is incremental. And this is a unit meant purely for the "enthusiast" premium market. They can't really get their own costs of production down much from where they were for the base unit, and a beefy GPU and the new AI hardware isn't going to come cheap for them. Odds are the Pro has a larger SSD as well. Those aren't cheap.
For $500 ($550 outside the US where they didn't raise price only because Xbox is a real competitor in the US), from a company that launched a $550 VR headset that's older tech than Meta's $500 headset that's more advanced and includes the computer (tablet, but still more than is in the PS headset). I don't think that's an out of touch prediction at all. That's a $200-300 price premium (or when comparing to non-US price $150-200) over the base model.
It sounds high, because it is high. But relatively it's a "small" price increase over the base model.
PS4 Pro came from an era where hardware prices fell quickly on the supply side so they could still squeeze out some hardware without taking a big loss. It was also not a significant hardware upgrade. PS5 Pro seems like a beefed up GPU, which these days, don't upgrade cheap, and their new AI hardware, and probably a bigger SSD. Comparatively, the Xbox 1X launched at $500, while the base console was $400. That was a more comparative price increase, in a pre-hyperinflation era. If a $100 increase was normal pre-inflation for an enthusiast product, a $200-300 increase in a profit-focused Sony today on a "premium" tier product doesn't sound unreasonable. Both from a perspective that Sony isn't willing to take a loss while MS was at the time (rumor is the vapor chamber on 1X cost way too much to make), hyperinflation drove costs of everything higher, they're producing far less of them than the base model so production costs will be higher, and hardware prices don't drop so a beefier GPU today isn't going to magically be the same price the old GPU was in 2000.
Either way, it's too expensive for a console. But people will pay it. People were paying over $1200 for a base PS5 just to get their hands on one in the scalper days. Sony surely noticed the money left on the table by undercharging for consoles vs what enthusiasts are willing to pay and will look to capture that market, which is probably the only reason Pro exists.
Additionally Phil Spencer was talking in a recent interview that the console model of taking losses on hardware is kind of over, because the hardware costs don't drop like they used to. Grooming the market to get ready to start paying a lot more for hardware. Allegedly an XSX loses about $200 per unit, so the "real" break even price on it is $700, or at least at launch, was. Sony's making a tiny profit on PS5's as is. I doubt they're prepared to start taking losses on a premium "halo product."
There was a time I'd have thought "oh, they wouldn't just announce a ridiculous price that will kill a product before it launches, they learned their lesson from PS3!" But, no, then they announced a $550 VR headset. Anything is fair game when they're targeting enthusiasts. (And I'm a huge PSVR2 fan, but the price is definitely absurd. I'm part of the problem in that sense, I actually paid that. )
Edit: Also, I'd predict that "next gen" (real next gen) will not start at less than $750, maybe more. If we're entering an era of pay for hardware outright without subsidy, and "next gen console equivalent" PCs tend to run $3000+ , there's no way we're buying next gen hardware "at cost" that's a jump like we'd expect for a console gen leap for less than $750, and honestly it'll be a miracle if it's under $1k, post inflation 2-4 years from now. Pricing consoles out of the mass market, or requiring mass market consoles to take the Nintendo route and adapt people to much weaker hardware than can be had for cheap. Not after scalpers demonstrated $1k is a totally market-sustained price for launch enthusiasts.
@Zenos More surprising even, is people saying current PS5 barely reached its full capacity.. when it was showing its limitations pretty much from the beginning of the gen, limiting performance to 30fps to get higher res or extra advanced graphical features like RT in most games.
Dying light 2 is another good example of night and day compared to PC, RT is totally absent on consoles, where PC had like 5 RT modes.. this was on Feb 2022
I can agree RT implementations many times are weak and simply not worth it, but when it's good implemented makes a difference
Simply, for future games, gamers that are happy with 30fps, lower res and other big visual compromises to barely target 60fps, don't need to get the pro
For gamers preferring consistent 60fps in most games (or higher), better image quality, better VRR range, and more presence of RT, this is where PS5 pro will help hopefully.
But we still need to see it, unfortunately for CPU limited games, it will not cut it still..
@NEStalgia It's not going to be $750 lol.
All those paragraphs fretting about something that hasn't (and won't) happened.
Also quoting Phil Spencer isn't the smartest thing here given that the Xbox team built a console with a huge die that has proven to difficult in terms to reducing costs - a significant mistake by them.
@NattyKing I know it sounds high, but again PS5 is $550 most places. You're betting that they won't charge $200 more for a premium model? Why bother making it a premium model if they're not going to upcharge even $200 for it? I'm not betting against $700, but looking at the hardware I don't see how they could go lower without taking a large loss, and I really don't think they intend to take a loss. And, again, it's a market premium item, I just don't see them not pricing it accordingly.
And, yeah, the cost reduction issue on XSX is an issue, but the industry supply side issues aren't exactly secret. If they're floating those kinds of ideas about the costs going up, you can bet that's an industry-wide conversation. It's been a factor in PC for a while now.
@NattyKing There's a lot of weird comments in here.
You're right though, it's outperformed the Series X several times this gen. Using that as an example of what the PS5 should have been made no sense.
The better hardware will only enable lazier dev practices.
We need better games in terms of story and gameplay, not better graphics!
And the irony is that the games will get even worse.
There are only small number of good studios left that make quality games.
@NEStalgia Let's see, but there's a reason no mainstream console has ever been near that price. I'm betting $600, or maybe $550 without a disc drive.
@NattyKing
I'm definitely getting one, and
I think you're right on the money, for Sony's pricing zone.
I've been saying the same thing, and yet I still don't understand why all the negativity about the PS5 Pro?
If you don't like it, don't buy it, if it's too much money then don't buy it, but why be a wet blanket for everyone else that's excited about getting one?
Gaming is supposed to be about having fun, not complaining about something that you're evidently not going to even buy, or think should even exist.
More power to the PRO people!
Happy Gaming ✌!
@NattyKing I mean It would certainly be nice if you're right. I don't think you are, but I'm not going to condemn the dream
I still think people are underestimating the cost of hardware these days, I mean the cost Sony has to pay on raw parts vs how prices came down in the past. I also still think people underestimate the lessons learned in the board room from the scalper period. Any executive with dollar signs in their eyes was watching people pay over $1k for consoles thinking "OMG we've been undercharging this whole time!" I've been afraid of how that will impact the future of console prices since 2020.
I'm still sticking to $700 minimum. If it's lower, that's a nice surprise. They did surprise me in the positive with Portal. Not that that it should cost $200 for a phone without the phone that doesn't even play Plus cloud games, but it's "competitive enough" and i thought they'd go higher. But at the same time they surprised me with the WTF pricing on VR2 I never saw coming.
If Jim were still in the big chair, I'd say $750 absolute minimum. The wild card is Pro is Jim's baby and Jim's gone, and I can't quite figure out what Totoki's strategy is going to be. He's the banker, he's going to want to milk it for margins and not take any losses for a single quarter. But he's also there to right the ship of sluggish sales.
Surprise! It’s just a software update that unlocks pro features! Like when Apple turned on the temp sensor in the HomePod mini. Or when Nintendo enabled the Bluetooth feature in switch.
Let me be clear, that’s the only way I’m upgrading, even in the next 3 years.
@RicksReflection Yes exactly. I think some people are triggered because they can't afford a Pro. Some people are triggered because think devs will suddenly become lazier and do less optimisation on the OG PS5 lol.
Both reasons are nonsensical. I'm all for new hardware, especially when it will be four years since PS5 came out.
@NEStalgia I agree that Sony will not want to eat the same losses as they did with the PS5. The Pro is for console enthusiasts. And scalpers have shown that a small proportion of gamers will pay a lot for a new console. But it's a very small number hence I don't think $700+ is workable.
@NattyKing It'd be nice if you're right, if only because I think this will give us a window into what next gen pricing might look like as well. If they do $600 and it flies, expect $700 for next gen. If they do $700+ and it flies off shelves, hitting 4 figures isn't off the table for next gen.
Though, no matter the price the headline is predictable. For month one and two headlines will be "exceeding expectations, can't keep stock" and then once the early adopter rush is over sales will become kind of awful, same as 4 Pro and 1X. So far the mid-gens just don't perform very well past that early adopter rush.
I mean... Do I really need it? 😬
Ummm so what exactly is this 1% hit to gpu performance ? And how exactly do you even determine that number?
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