
In the aftermath of its unfathomable $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard, the top brass at Microsoft has been eager to express its dislike of Sony’s marketing alliance with the Call of Duty franchise. Speaking with IGN, boss Phil Spencer insisted he wants to give players the choice on “how you play your games” and that his company won’t do “slimy platform things”. While he never explicitly mentioned PlayStation, he made barbed comments at the beginning of his firm’s Xbox Showcase, stating “it’s been 10 years since Call of Duty has been in our show [and] it’s been even longer since all Call of Duty players got the same game at the same time” – a clear criticism of Sony’s marketing deal with the series, which has historically featured “platform advantages” like additional modes and features.
These comments attracted the attention of Shawn Layden, the former PlayStation executive who’s held a number of positions across Sony’s gaming empire. Responding to the quotes, he used a viral GIF to express his feelings:
Layden has since gone on to “like” a number of comments on social media, some suggesting Spencer is being a hypocrite. “Phil be talking out of his ass,” one post hearted by Layden reads. “So slimy like buying billion-dollar publishers to try and take more control of the industry,” another one he liked adds. “So much hate.”
Layden, who left PlayStation in 2019, became a firm favourite during the PS4 era, due to his down-to-earth interview style and direct connection with fans. He became particularly popular during Sony’s PSX community events, where he’d regularly rock up in gaming tees and pose for photographs with players. In an era where Sony is perceived to feel distant and out-of-touch with its community, his no-nonsense attitude is clearly missed.
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These two grown men need to grow up.
yes they are as bad as each other
but i do think its for the best that COD is the same now on all platforms
See this is what happens when these big social media accounts are being deliberately misleading. Hunter blatantly lying by quoting Phil as saying Playstation were slimy when he said no such thing and he never even mentioned Playstation, in fact in the same interview he says that Xbox started this exclusivity nonsense with COD.
But sure keep reporting his lies
I guess its only slimy to Phil if Microsoft somehow gets out bid.
Layden was on IGN’s panel about the future of gaming, and said he thought the greatest console of all time was ‘any even numbered Playstation’.
Obviously he isn’t too impressed of what’s happening with this generation.
@MrGawain Do you have a link for that?
I mean Phil has proven time and again to go back on his word and be a snake. He's in good company with Todd Howard and Bobby Kotick...well, before they kicked the later out with a nice and hefty bonus.
@get2sammyb it is mentioned further in his interview.
The similar articles on your sister site PureXbox has the video link.
@ATaco to be fair.... good ol' Jimbo was pretty well famous for either having his foot permanently in his mouth, or just saying stuff that was just rubbish (if not lying). I think the take-home is that we should believe what they do, not what they say - and that goes for any CEO or corporate executive.
@carlos82 I hate that twitter is the news sources for alot of these articles
@get2sammyb
IGN video on ‘where you will be playing games in the future’. Also including Michael Pachter….
https://youtu.be/KHf5avkORyc?si=heVXUBycyuzZfrPp
@pip_muzz @PsBoxSwitchOwner thank you. I was just about to call out @get2sammyb on that one. Hop over to your sister site PX and you will find later in the video when Phil confirms it was Xbox who started it. Theyve added it in to their post now. Think you should too.
@pip_muzz. You really think phil is referring to xbox themselves? Are you serious? Phil is the biggest hypocrite in the gaming-industry by far. Xbox would have done the exactly same thing if they were ontop and not bleeding money like they are now.
@trev666 same, it's so easy to find the actual interview as well instead of reporting on an interpretation of an interpretation of the interview
Too right to! I’m not a big fan of modern Sony, but when someone says it’s slimy for you to continue a practice they started themselves (which Phil admits too much later in an interview), and in fact have accelerated massively by buying entire third party publishers and then taking games that where originally planned to be multiplatform away entirely (Starfield, Indiana jones, etc) I can’t blame him for commenting back.
The only good thing about this apparent hypocrisy is that Phil seems to be laying the groundwork for a change in policy that might see the likes of elder scrolls release on PlayStation.
@Lembit he literally talks about how Xbox started it with COD during the 360 days in the same interview
Shawn is hilarious.
Especially when he was talking about dangers of industry consolidation while being on payroll of Tencent.
Keep it going...
@carlos82
Wasn’t it many hours later that he made that comment? He knew exactly what he was leaving dangling regarding Sony with those first comments. It’s a common and rather transparent tactic in business, politics, etc. it’s not even that he lied initially, just threw a little shade. It’s his job after all to make MS seem like the people’s champion, they’ve been at it for ages now with the whole subscription thing, cross play thing, etc (when we all know these businesses are all just looking to maximise growth).
Ignoring the petty squabbling for a minute, anyone else miss Shawn Layden and PSX?
Don't worry Shawn most of us think the same.
Doesn't matter if Phil admitted Xbox started it does it, he still made the slimy reference about Playstation, so in his mind PlayStation are Slimy for the Call of Duty deal which is why it's hypocritical.
Shawn clearly was holding back when he still at Sony. But now he didn't holding back his jab anymore lol.
@SLRC98 yeah I miss Shawn. PS was a better place with him in it. Same as Andrew castle.
@LifeGirl And what, end up like you? No thanks.
@pip_muzz Phil admitting to doing it themselves was a little too detached from the slimey phrase, so I don't know how it can be seen in context. He was definitely referring to Sony with it. But it's wild to see all the tweets Shawn liked. And he hasn't stopped since. Apparently, they gave instructions to the crowd (which was very cringe btw) when to cheer, which a user has shown in a video clip, saying how fake it was etc. and Shawn liked that tweet as well. Man's out to fight, lol.
Edit: He has hidden his likes now
@pip_muzz How the hell do you get that out of "paying publishers for exclusive content"? Of which Microsoft has done plenty of times before. Sounds like you're making ***** up.
Phil doing Phil things, still hasn't learned. Meanwhile, the last Xbox exclusive in 2023 was Forza (October 2023) and the next should be Avowed in November 2024. Again, an entire year without games....oh yeah, i forgot Hellblade 2.
@Fartingale thats not what he was saying
@Solingo_Bill wasn't Sonys last game spiderman 2 also release Oct 2023? And there next game is LEGO Horizon Adventures this holiday also An entire year. And why does hell blade suddenly not count? Because you don't like it? I finished it last week and thought it was fantastic.
Yet more ommision of events by push square that have been pointed out but continue to be published
Spencer çlearly states it was xbox who started this 'slimy' practice during the 360 era
This site has become a disgrace
@MrGawain That "any even numbered Playstation" sounds like a good quote at first, but it's also (unintentionally?) dismissive of the PS1, which is easily up there as one of the greatest consoles of all time, or outright number 1 for a lot of people.
@PurvisP Well. It clearly works. So many comments, so many clicks...
And this is exactly what I was talking about the other day with push framing and editing the news to fan the flames constantly, they can't help themselfs.
Stop using fanboy twitter accounts for your news articles
@WhiteRabbit
If Hellblade 2 is "as mid as it gets" then I don't know what is even the point of mentioning Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin. Since Stellar Blade has similar scores as Hellblade 2 (82 vs. 81 on OpenCritic) and Rise of the Ronin is even worse.
One of the best MS products of the past 11 years has been Phil Spencer's public persona. The difference this year is gaming media seems to be treating him less like the messiah and more like every other CEO in the industry.
He knows what he's doing here.
I'm sure he's a nice guy in his personal life and all, but at work he's a human shaped PR machine. When XBOX has any momentum they just dial up his volume.
It truly doesn't matter whether he ment xbox or playstation.
The fact is Phil is slimy all on his own.
Playstation have only ever done deals just like they all do, they have only ever bought developers who they had a history with or a brand new studio.
Xbox under Phil, has bought the rights for an exclusive tomb raider game, he didn't just buy bethesda then went and bought the entire parent company so no one else could have any developer within it.
Doesn't just go out and buy one of the call of duty developers, but buys entirety of Activision.
Playstation sees something in hellblade and puts up some of the money for development and exclusive right of an unknown game about mental health.
It does well so Phil jumps in and buys them out.
Yea Phil no more slimy business, your parent has out its foot down for spending anymore money and making sure you sell the games everywhere because your already losing them money on game pass and are down 100 billion. Well done Phil.
After 10 years of nothingness, xbox fans finally got a few games to show off at a conference.
@WhiteRabbit No, because there is no debate that Helldivers 2 is a good game. I was just baffled that someone would brag about "Midblade 2" and then actually praise Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin in same sentence.
But I get it. Hellblade 2 is "Midblade 2" until it will come on PS5. Same as Sea of Thieves was bad, until it hit PS5
Also, Indiana Jones will be bad, but when it will get PS5 port it will be second coming of Jesus.
As usual.
Also, it's hilarious to claim "people thought that Hellblade 2 is worse then critics says" when 87% of Steam reviews for the game are positive. So players are actually praising the game even more than critics.
@Godot25 Yeah, not really. Starfield is still an exclusive and hardly anyone is asking for a ps5 port. When it's eventually released on ps5, it won't be the second coming of Jesus.
Hi-Fi Rush was released on ps5 and didn't make the top20.
Each case is different.
@Kidfunkadelic83 @carlos82 @PurvisP @Sakai
To be fair to PushSquare and @get2sammyb it was also missed over on PureXbox until it was pointed out in comments and I think @themightyant posted the video. Although they have updated their article.
I took it as that he adores the PS2 and PS4, but the PS3 and the PS5 don't live up to what came before. The PS1 is a great console, but it was improved upon by the PS2.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner undoubtedly, I'm not trying to suggest this is just a Pushsquare issue either, I see it regularly across a variety of sites, where one random tweet, which in itself isn't even the source, is then paraded around as a story
Is this another article to have all the internet keyboard warriors start another fight about whose box is better? Come on. If there is any reason for an article like this, at least post the full context of the interview. On another note, back to the games. Who is ready for Shadow of the Erdtree!!
@Toot1st i don't know where this "if it isn't made by Sony, than it doesn't count" wave come from. Bloodborne was made by From Software, Gears of War 1-3 by Epic Games, Metroid Dread by MercurySteam.
Are they exclusive and part of the console line up? Yes
Are these teams owned by Sony/MS/Nintendo? No
Anyone cares? No
If MS has bought 30+ studios it doesn' mean that now Sony has to do everything internally to keep up with MS. The reality is that we had at least 4 games exclusive to PS5 since the end of 2023, while MS just one that everyone completed in just 2-3 days and forgot.
Shawn Layden is a loser, dude was fired from Sony and replaced with Jim Ryan then ran off to go work for Tencent and the CCP 💀
As if Phil gave 2 ***** what Layden thinks
@Ergoshotz why so angry?
I still don't understand why shawn layden ps4 teams is replaced with jim ryan teams. Early to middle ps4 era is the best ps4 era, we get nearly non-stop great (or at least good) exclusive, also small but important one like shadow of the collosus remake and the last guardian, also playstation community is fun back then.
Then it's all went wrong in the early ps5 era, sony seems really out of touch with its community, even apple seems like a more friendly corporation right now.
@wiiware "I still don't understand why shawn layden ps4 teams is replaced with jim ryan teams"
Shawn said he wants to retired and the transition to PS5 was the right time to let the next generation took care of PS brand
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-09-03/ex-playstation-chief-mulls-future-of-gaming-and-his-new-job?srnd=technology-vp
Fun fact. Shawn was a long time Sony employee since 1987. He has many positions in the company from vice president of SCE Europe, president of SCE Japan, one of the founder of SNE, CEO of SCEA, and CEO of SIE Worldwide Studios. So it's normal if he thinks it's about time he relax and enjoyed his life.
@guestwork You realise that you just basically called me a grown up?
What a failed burn that was.
@naruball of angry more annoyed at this tossed still trying to cling to relevance
I’m by no means a Phil Spencer lover but at least the dude is employed and didn’t get booted and replaced like Layden did
@SLRC98 Yes, miss Shawn and his gaming jumpers.
That said, he, Andrew House or Jack Tretton would've been a much better CEO than Jim 'Accountant' Ryan.
At least Shawn used to speak to gamers. He obviously saw what was (or more accurately wasn't) coming with the PS5 so maybe we'll see him again in a couple of years?
Seeing a few "Gamer Phil" defenders talking about edited comments etc.,but it's right on form for Lies of P Phil to rewrite history. He likes to make 360 era Xbox as being the only time they engaged in such activities.
There'd been numerous occasions they signed up indie gamepass exclusives on the basis they were timed exclusives. He signed up Tomb Raider as a timed exclusive...as others have correctly stated he literally convinced Microsoft to bank roll two of the biggest AAA Publishers in Zenimax Bethesda & a (relatively) "cheaper" Activision after Kotick's skeletons of mismanagement tanked their share price for a multi trillion Microsoft to take full advantage of. The same Phil who in court documents had a wish list of most other major third parties & the xbox management talking up using Microsoft money to spend Sony out of the market.
Again though,when you have a softball interviewer Team Green cheerleader like Ryan McCaffrey who falsely tweets fanboy assertions like he did on Black Myth Wukong,what do you expect?
I do agree,Layden is a much missed Sony Exec. You can't say any exec is perfect,but you could see the love & passion he had for Playstation history whether bigger selling or smaller titles. Don't tend to get the same vibe with Hermen Hulst.
But you want to see the real Phil,you just go back to the behind the scenes communications of cancelling multiplatform releases,& further acquisition targets...or how he left Sarah Bond & Matt Booty to be the ones to do damage control over studio closures...he was MIA until now to be good guy Phil all over again. 🙄
@Robocod Don't forget when Phil paid exclusives marketing for Yakuza 7/8 and Persona 3 Reload. Suddenly we see Yakuza and Persona trailers only with Xbox & GamePass logo as if the series always associate with Xbox brand lol.
It's just funny because MS never show interest for Yakuza and Persona series back in Xbox, 360, or One era. They always aimed for big fish like FF, Tales of, and DQ. Meanwhile Sony helped Sega and Atlus nurturing the franchise from niche to popular status.
But slimy Phil think "Oh, these anime franchise are popular and sold well in PS. Time to jump in and blocked the marketing from Sony".
@Godot25 @WhiteRabbit Why do people confront others over an opinion as if a person is "wrong" in forming their conclusion about a game?!
Someone likes Hellblade 2. So what? They are not wrong in liking it. There are things to like about the game - dark story, mature themes, wonderful audio design, and an insanely detailed environment. I find the slow battles to be intense (even if some of that intensity is scripted).
Another person doesn't like Hellblade 2. So what? They are not wrong in not liking it. There are some things not to like about the game - the combat is still rather simplistic, the puzzles aren't all that tough to solve, and there is a lot of walking.
No one is wrong for liking or not like a game, ever! No need to argue about it!
On topic: Sony vs. Microsoft stuff is getting old. The sooner Microsoft switches over to a PC-based console that can play Steam, GOG, etc. as well as Microsoft Store games the better. Time to GTFO of this toxic console culture.
Didn't this dude take Chinese money? Ya okay, off your soapbox now.
@MrGawain what about ps1😭😭😭
Phil spencer is lies of p.so shawn layden is right.word up son
It's comment sections like this that make me think I've outgrown the internet. Phil's comments were nothing more than a bit of banter. Why is everyone so thin skinned?!
People reading or listening to something and then lying about what was said to suit their own narrative seems to be the norm these days.
He never mentioned PlayStation once. He did however mention the CoD deals that Xbox initially started.
Also, I haven't seen anything about the comments David Jaffe said about PlayStation needing to up their game after the Xbox showcase.
Did I miss that or was not reporting it deliberate?
@Solingo_Bill I assumed you wasn't talking about third party games because you didn't mention any of the third party games exclusive to Xbox. Infact you seem to cherry pick a lot of things or completely ignoring the fact that Ms has released a game since Forza. I love games on my PlayStation and games on my Xbox. You just sound like the typical console fanboy that plague this comment sections trying to argue one is better then the other.
@cburg I love all my consoles but it seems to drive people mad on here that also like Xbox games as well as PlayStation
@GamingFan4Lyf perfectly said
I miss all the people that showed up at Sony E3. Shawn, Jack, Andrew, Shu, and the other dude in the 'how to share games with friends video' from PS4 announcement.
Remember the Kevin Butler ads? Those were fantastic!
These days Sony is faceless and bland. I don't understand current marketing trends at all, clearly they're doing something right. It's just boring.
@carlos82
Yeah. Sadly PushSquare makes it all worse by making a misleading article without fact checking, making all this even more cringe. This article should be re-written or removed. Stuff like this seriously lowers the journalistic seriousness of the whole site. 🤦🏻♂️
@Scrubchub
Perhaps the fact that this whole article is wrong? 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Phil didn’t mention Sony, plus he said that Xbox was the ones who started the whole exclusivity with COD-thing… So if anything, Phil mentioned that they themselves have been slimy. But he obviously mean they both have, and that that kind of crap has no place in gaming. He’s said it before as well.
But by reporting lies like this, without fact checking (or even worse, on purpose…), PushSquare is contributing to spreading fake news that only brings hate in the comment sections and amongst fanboys. It’s a shame. And ***** like this makes me think twice about visiting this site in the future. A shame (I know I’ll be back.. But probably not as often 🤷🏻♂️).
Shawn Layden lost all credibility when he took that job with Tencent.
@RamboMike Well don't forget, Spencer also pushed MS to buy Zenimax and ABK to initially try and turn their entire catalogs exclusive. He even said that all future Zenimax games would go exclusive until that plan failed and MS forced him to start releasing games everywhere. If Xbox weren't going to do "slimy exclusive deals" the PS5 versions of Redfall, Starfield, and Indiana Jones would never have been cancelled. That said, I do think Starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to PS5.
It amazes me that MS have empowered this 🤡
@Fartingale they don't bid on deals like that lol. Do you really think Sony could outbid Microsoft.. ever?
Has Spencer ever done a deal that locks content to Xbox? I can't think of any but I think think of Sony doing it not only vs other consoles in the last 15 years but also to keep 3rd party games and content off PC which doesn't even make business sense when you consider Sony has been the #1 console for all but 1 generation since they got into the game.
Sony is guilty of all the sins people call Microsoft out on but give Sony a free pass. Lastly buying Activision isn't exactly a slimy move when you also consider Sony only cares because of COD... A franchise that wouldn't be had the 360 not launched with COD2 and a franchise that Microsoft is releasing everywhere anyway.
But yeah lets hate on ms because... It's not Sony.
Removed - unconstructive
@d0x360 that was some quality incoherent rambling
Hey Phil, 1900 layoffs at Activision is pretty slimy.
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