
With Assassin's Creed Shadows set to spring out of the bushes on the unwary in November, Ubisoft says that dev cycles between titles must be longer to find the "right balance". At four years in the oven, Shadows has had the most development time of any title in the series to date, including massive open-world epics Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and it seems that's the magic number.
In fact, according to Shadows lead producer Karl Onnée (thanks, GamesIndustry.biz), the latest AC game got a full 25% longer than Valhalla, which he says is essential to maintain the quality the series is known for: "It's always a balance between time and costs, but the more time you have, the more you can iterate. Yes, you can put more people on a project and do it in a shorter time, but that doesn't give you more time to iterate."
Onnée says this as much down to aesthetics and immersion as it is quashing bugs and polishing pixels, as the development team needs time to learn the particulars of each new historical setting: "We are trying to create a game that is as authentic as possible. It's something we take pride in, and that is also a very long process. When we build a Japanese house from feudal Japan, it is very different from, say, a French medieval house or an English one. So you have to learn as artists where things go inside a feudal Japanese house… maybe the food doesn't go there. You have to get everything you need to know and learn it. And that process is long."
Are you glad to hear Ubisoft will hold its horses a little bit and take some extra time to work on each game? Where are you at on Shadows? Has it piqued your interest? Let us know in the comments section below.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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Low-key great news. I wonder if this train of thought is including future Mirage-like entries or will those smaller titles be the buffer between.
Longer development simply means they have more time to make bad decisions. If they actually cared, they would empower the employees to create freely. Too many games are made by checklist from some higher ups. Nothing should be included just because it fits trends. Too much pandering.
Yeah take your time and work on the immersion and give us a decent horse while you're at it. Torrent is fluid and more realistically animated than all your AC steeds combined, and that was FromSoftware's first attempt. As for RDR2, y'all won't even try and get to that level so forget it.
...unless Shadows doesn't meet expectations.
Their next "break glass in case of emergency" setting would be future city, I imagine.
There are so many things wrong with this game in advance that I'm sure the only thing that will work properly when it's released is the Helix Store.
What I'd like to see is more like 6-8 years between AC titles, so they can take a few years in-between to make games that aren't AC/Watchdogs based collect-a-thons.
As long as they go back to attempting to be innovative instead of iterative or derivative, I’ll be happy.
Yeah .... But don't copy paste please
I think they really are massively underrated when it comes to the recreation of historical locations, and the sheer effort that must entail as development time and costs skyrocket. The games aren’t perfect but they contain some of the most immersive worlds in gaming.
Valhalla has no right to be as long as it is, specially when 90% of quests follow the exact same structure, go talk to someone, head to other location, investigate some boring sh*t, go to another location and fight or be stealthy, head back to the first character, done and repeat.
I got my copy of Shadows pre-ordered. Can't wait to play it! I'm feeling very confident it's going to be fantastic!
@KawakiisaFraud so what's wrong with this title? I take it you have hands on time with the game so you know what you are talking about? We know very little about the game apart from the fact it's set in feudal Japan and its an AC game. So if that's what you are trying to imply then I don't see what can be wrong with it outside of the inevitable micro transactions which are only ever prevalent on the main title screen. But hey if I'm wrong please share with the rest of us what you know to be so wrong with this game.
@IOI he was on about the development time being 25% longer and not the length of the game.
I like to own my titles and no DRM on a bloody console so you can keep your games Ubisoft. The only games I buy are from LRG that come from you.
This did make me chuckle. Perhaps they should spend more time researching their historical "facts" before starting development instead of using wikipedia
If they had this stance around the time of origins I may not have gotten serious burn out and could very well still be a fan. But I think I've had enough AC for one lifetime now.
I can go with fours years in between big AAA game development times. So that ok Ubi.
Can you have a word with the rest of the big AAA developers and let them now as we seem to be heading towards 5 and 6 years from some of them.
For me personally, I don't think they can top AC Odyssey. I absolutely loved it, not for being an Assassin's Creed game, but for the brilliant highs and lows adventures of Kassandra the misthios.
Ac is definitely not known for its quality (coming from a huge ac fan btw)
I'm old enough to remember when they said the same thing after Syndicate.
"We are trying to create a game that is as authentic as possible. It's something we take pride in"
LMAO
"maintain the quality the series is known for"... oh God
"25% bigger than Valhalla"
Bigger isn't always better.
Valhalla was such a slog it put me off from even finishing it.
@nessisonett Yeah, you’ve got to give them credit for that. Most Ubisoft games are insanely detailed and well-crafted, plus they're huge. Hats off in that regard. What turned me off from finishing most of them, though, was the mind-numbing simplicity and sameness of the missions, and yeah... those level-locked areas.
@Netret0120 again he said it was 25% longer in development.
@WhiteRabbit it's funny because they say this after peppering a modern-day reenactment group's flags all over the promotional material.
@chucksneed @WhiteRabbit
Actually the complete quote includes more than just architecture, but object placement, food etc and that they are dedicated to accuracy and taking the time to get it right.
But the initial sentence is: “We are trying to create a game that is as authentic as possible.”
The game is the whole thing.
They have failed in their quest to make the game authentic. Not only with the characters, but the way they act, the armour they use, the weaponry, banner styles, spelling mistakes, mixing different eras together, the clothing, plants, seasonal changes, harvest times and more. The list is massive. To top it off, they didn’t even get the architecture right. So you can’t even defend them with that.
Just listen to the Japanese. They are the ones micro-analysing everything and many aren’t happy. It’s become a national scandal.
And yet people have been defending Ubi saying “Well it’s not meant to be authentic.” Then when Ubi claims it is authentic they say, “Well they are only claiming this certain thing.”
The bottom line is Ubisoft are big enough and spending enough money on this to get it right. It’s their own fault for their incompetence.
The attention to detail that went into AC games like "Origins" is fantastic and very welcome.
I support long development periods to ensure quality that is more than skin deep.
If the ambition is that high, though, why predictably offend so many fans by shoehorning a samurai of colour into a feudal Japan setting when the real life person appears to be of fringe relevance? Why not have such a protagonist when it is appropriate for the setting?
I hope I'll be able to play the other character exclusively. If the Yaskuke token character is going to be forced upon me, I'll pass.
Yeah you have to take your time to make sure you butcher and insult someone's culture and history this much it takes serious dedication
After Valhalla im checked out of the "BIG" AC Titles for the foreseeable, give me more Mirage style adventures though, loved that.
@WhiteRabbit William Adams is such a disingenuous comparison that I don't even see why you'd bring it up. If you can't tell the difference between a Japanese studio making a game based on their own culture and a Western studio making a game based on a foreign nation's culture then you should stop posting and wasting everybody's time.
@WhiteRabbit I'm not "upset" either (and no YouTuber). I'll just not buy the game, if it is not possible to avoid playing the token character. No outrage, just not interested in having somebody's agenda being pushed into my face.
@Fishnpeas it's really funny for someone to put scare quotes around the word "facts" in that context because these games are, in fact, historical fiction.
@WhiteRabbit
...dude they aren't going to just admit to being racist. Waste of your time.
@Keyblade-Dan is that a KH avatar? Isn't Disney like the absolute kings of "butchering someone's culture and history?"
@WhiteRabbit it's very representative of my teenage edgelord years. Love that game.
@WhiteRabbit "both William Adams and Yasuke are historical to Japan" Honestly what the hell are you even trying to say? Are you suggesting Ubisoft are a Japanese studio like Team Ninja?
@WhiteRabbit FYI, I'm not racist. Far from it. Just bored to tears by SJWs.
For instance, if you don't think there is something odd about the actress for a character that is literally called "Snow White" having anything but white pale skin then I cannot help you. A white actress has no business playing "Maria" in "West Side Story", neither has a woman with darker skin any business playing "Snow White". It shouldn't need explaining, really.
@WhiteRabbit Even if you don't care about snow white, perhaps you can acknowledge that somebody does not need to be a racist, perform "mental gymnastics", be a sheep to YT grifters, etc. to lack appreciation for agendas.
FWIW, I never played Valhalla because I think a Viking is antithetic to what an AC protagonist should be. No Viking hate whatsoever. Same with "Shadows"; I would like to play a stereotypical samurai, someone representative.
BTW, the protagonist of "Origins" wasn't exactly a white guy, was he? I loved every second of that game. So please hold back with the "racist" allegations.
@WhiteRabbit
The problem with all of this is that people have their teams they support, their political leanings they are defending and so on.
I’m sorry to say that the sources you’re reading are not giving you the full picture (or you too are demonstrating those leanings).
This is not just a right wing thing in Japan. And it isn’t just a Western YouTuber thing making it a big deal here. It’s also not about racism. To suggest it’s all about that is to dismiss genuine concerns from the Japanese.
Is it the biggest news over there? No. Is there racism from extreme elements of Japanese politics? Sure. But there are also a lot of genuine, regular people who are saddened and offended by how their culture is being handled.
Ubisoft have made some massive missteps. Even claiming that they made a replica sword from the game and it was a One Piece replica sword they bought off Amazon.
It’s an absolute mockery of what they are trying to achieve. And it shows they have people working there who are either in over their heads or not genuinely concerned with the work they are producing.
Ubisoft’s reputation is being damaged not because of bad people online, but because of incompetent people working for them.
They could have produced a game that was worthy of their work and honourable to Japanese culture. But they have failed both and they are letting down themselves and the Japanese.
Will it still be a good game? Probably. But it could have been so much more.
You can put a hell of a lot of icons on the map in 4 years. Valhalla nearly destroyed my completionist brain ticking off every map icon!
@Kienda explain how they have the characters wrong to me please. If you mean the main character then you need to brush up on your history.
@KawakiisaFraud like what?
@LikelySatan erm.
No, those are just quotation marks.
Perhaps you should do some research, the information Ubisoft used came from a single source that was verified by himself on wikipedia.
He has admitted he made it up.
@nessisonett Completely agree. Your comments are always interesting. However, at the same time, the main problem with Ubi games today is not the environments, which invariably look detailed and spectacular, but the bland storytelling, forgettable scripts and indistinguishable characters. It’s almost as if at Ubi the game-world tail is wagging the story-telling dog: build a beautiful environment and then copy-paste repetitive activities and identikit characters and locales to fill it all up. So you’re absolutely right about Ubi’s ability to build immersive worlds - but maybe they should be focusing instead on making them narratively engaging?
@Fishnpeas I don't care. It's a series with Pope wizards fighting aliens for a magic apple. Invoking the specter of it's historical accuracy is a joke. Yet again, historical fiction.
@ElectricCity It’s probably a ‘me’ thing, but I can usually overlook main narratives if I can just lose myself in the world. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever beaten Skyrim’s main quest despite putting in over 2000 hours over the years. It’s the stories told within the world that I enjoy!
@chucksneed
It's not disingenuous. Yasuke was presented as a Samurai in both Nioh 1&2 and nobody complained.
So the guy you're replying to is right. It's just outrage drama. All these games are fiction anyway. Stop with this nonsense that Assassin's Creed is historical. We weren't made by aliens, there aren't any alien artefacts here on Earth and there's no Templar Illuminati controlling the governments from the shadows either. The games are fiction.
As for culture, so it's ok when the Japanese make games based on foreign cultures and change things, go by rumors or fictionalise things but it's bad when a Western dev does it?
Then your next outrage should be directed towards all those JRPGs which grossly misrepresent Christian culture and symbolism.
That's the other thing, nobody complained when Assassin's Creed was doing all that until now with the Japanese setting. Before that, I seem to recall all the other games saying historical people like Jesus and Alexander the Great weren't even human, they were aliens or at least influenced by alien technology.
Again, nobody complained.
So if you're really concerned about historical accuracy...you missed the boat by 17 years...
@TheArt I think the Assassin's Creed games are bad right down to their animations of things but tbf, Elden's Ring animations aren't actually that much better. Some of the animations in that are just hilariously bad including the old stiff constipated looking running animation they've been reusing since Dark Souls 1.
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@WhiteRabbit That Kienda guy is so obsessed to pushed down the narrative that "the whole Japan are outrage for Yasuke / AC Shadows".
@Northern_munkey I’m highlighting what Japanese people are pointing out and it includes inaccuracies in the main characters and in sub characters. None of the above comment I made pointed out things I noticed, but what I have seen Japanese people noting.
Neither you nor I have the historic knowledge to debate whether a black samurai or a female shinobi is historically accurate.
Let’s not fool ourselves.
@Kienda I do actually..
@Northern_munkey care to educate me?
@Kienda not at all...I don't need my ego stroking and you strike me as the sort of person that would just argue to the ends of time.
@WhiteRabbit it's really easy to find out the information required via the tinternet (not Wikipedia as its not entirely accurate.) There are countless historically accurate accounts about samurai that were not from Japan. I am no expert but I do know a fair bit about feudal Japan that I have learned over the past 4 decades as its something I have a keen interest in. I've read history books and watched god knows how many documentaries about it. It's one of the topics that really piques my interest along with religious history so for somebody to assume I know nothing is very disingenuous and a tad insulting. At least kienda admitted they know nothing about this so kudos for saying so. It's not my place or my desire to educate people if they can not be bothered to do a simple bit of research before calling other people out. Again I don't need to prove anything and I have no desire to either.
@Kienda https://africa.isp.msu.edu/news_article/22285#:~:text=Yasuke%20was%20the%20only%20African,Valignano%20on%20an%20inspection%20tour.
As a starting block and there is so much more information out there. Let's not fall out over this as I usually enjoy your comments and I usually agree with the majority of what you say..just not on this particular subject.
@Northern_munkey thanks for providing that. I think you have misread me a bit as I am not an acolyte for a cause in this. I’m happy to learn and be corrected and change my view.
In fact @WhiteRabbit’s pointing out the inconsistencies with the criticism between two games has made me rethink some of this.
Clearly my view has been shaped by three things.
1. Japanese outrage / hurt (or at least my perception of that hurt).
2. Apparent lack of care from Ubisoft. (Example: claiming authenticity while using a knock off from One Piece.)
3. The apparent lack of authenticity. Which actually might not be as bad as I suspected. Or rather, not any different to other games and developers.
@Kienda it's not a problem. I think the supposed outrage from the Japanese people is exaggerated somewhat. From what I can gather online it's been blown out of proportion so I wouldn't read too much into it.
@WhiteRabbit yes the female shinobi or "Kunoichi" are well documented too.
@WhiteRabbit I think before when I replied to you I was putting emotion before knowledge. I have seen quite a few misteps being pointed out and maybe they aren’t from people acting in good faith. And I have seen first hand accounts of Japanese friends raising concerns. I think it’s likely some Japanese people will see something online or in the news and see it that people are insulting their culture. Whether it’s a correct perception or not, or whether it is widespread or not, is another thing.
@Northern_munkey I will admit I made a wrong assumption as to your knowledge on the subject so for that I apologise. I also note you said I came across as the sort to just argue endlessly. Which, actually, I also want to apologise for. Because if that’s how my posts come across then I think I need to work on how I word things and also maybe learn to take a level headed approach to these things. You got any links for finding wisdom? 😅
@Kienda it's all good as far as I'm concerned. No hard feelings 👍
@LikelySatan enjoy your UbiSlop xx
@Fishnpeas doubt I'll get it, but if I do, it will be in three months after release, when it's half off.
@Northern_munkey Not that it really matters in the context of the game if Yasuke was really a samurai or not, given that Assassin's Creed is a work of fiction, but I am curious about the real history as you seem to know about it. Are you able to provide a better source on the matter as I wouldn't really consider that article as good evidence.
@Arkemyr I'm sure you are able to use the Internet the same as everybody else to provide more information. The link I provided was a very basic introduction as a means to use to find out better,more detailed information. I'm not sure you are being sincere and I suspect you are deliberately trying to flame me. I've already stated I'm no expert but have a very keen interest in the history of feudal Japan and can discuss it with some degree of accuracy but I'm not by any means perfect and if I'm wrong about something then I'll learn from my mistake. Go and pick an argument with somebody who'll give you more time than I'm willing to.
@Northern_munkey I'm not trying to pick an argument, sorry if it came across that way. I'll go look for information elsewhere, as you have suggested.
@Arkemyr if I came across as a bit abrupt then I'll apologise for my shortness. It's not always easy to tell if people are being sincere or if they are deliberately baiting you. This game is not necessarily historically accurate but the main characters are based on actual real people who lived in this period of time that the game is using as the backdrop.
https://www.japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/to-know/japanese-history/sengoku-period
Maybe this link will provide a bit more info and there are literally 100's of books available that explore this period in amazing detail. Again I apologise for my initial abruptness.
@Northern_munkey Oh that's alright. I can understand having your guard up for that kind of thing, given how negative and mean-spirited people can be on the internet these days. Thank you for the additional information!
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