Inevitably, pre-orders for the limited edition 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro are being flogged for a huge markup on auction sites like eBay. But in Japan specifically Sony is fighting back by requiring 30 hours of PS5 and PS4 playtime since 14th February, 2014. If you haven’t logged that amount of time on your account, then you won’t be eligible to complete the transaction.
While it’s a fairly low bar, it will prevent scalpers from creating new PSN accounts to purchase the platform. If it’s successful, we could potentially see a similar system rolled out for future high-demand products in the West.
Japanese players have generally been receptive to the idea, although some believe more could be done. Still, this is superior to the process in the UK and US, where players joined a virtual queue and simply had to pray they got access to PlayStation Direct quick enough to pull the trigger.
As we alluded to earlier, some profiteers have already been flogging their 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro pre-orders for up to $10,000, although disgruntled fans have been fighting back by reporting the auctions to eBay.
There’s probably never going to be a perfect solution to this problem, but ensuring pre-orders are purchased by actual fans makes sense. Japan seems to be on the right path by mandating 30 hours of playtime, so we’re hopeful to see this approach eventually applied overseas.
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I guess they could also look at how many Trophies you've got. A combination of playtime and Trophies would really weed everyone but fans out.
Removed - unconstructive
Make is so anyone who doesn't own Knack gets rejected instantly. Only true fans are allowed.
Wasn't that what they did everywhere when the ps5 launched... that's how I got mine day one... wonder why they didn't do it this time
Couldn't scalpers get around that by just making a bunch of accounts and leaving them idle in some F2P game for 30 hours?
@get2sammyb You could also risk getting an economy of players making multiple accounts with a few trophies to sell them on to scalpers for a few bucks. Like the goldminers back in the World of Warcraft era. It's difficult to circumvent these things as long a PS accounts are free, its like all the cheaters in F2P games; ban them and they will be back next day with new account.
That's a pretty good Idea to be honest! Still crazy that Ebay still allows this kind of pratice, considering it goes against their ToS...
@Perturbator Which would require them to purchase a PS, so Sony still comes out ahead.
Since 2014!!
They should make it 1000 hours minimum!!
(thats only 100 per year)
Make them really work for it!
@ShogunRok and Priority access for those with Knack 2.
@DualWielding
Yeah I remember getting an email from Sony with a link that only went active once early pre-orders were live. I had no struggle getting a PS5 because of that.
You should have to get a PS5 pro tattooed on each cheek. Send a letter of undying devotion to sony. And you have to battle cerney 1v1 in cup head.
Shame nobody in Japan is buying a standard PS5, never mind being bothered about the hiked up models.
And to think I had second thoughts about getting the PS5 Slim 30th anniversary edition (I'll skip the regular Pro then and just wait for the PS6). I hope enough people at least bought the PS5 Slim version
@get2sammyb You're got a brilliant idea there friend. Some combination of time played, trophies as well as a certain amount of PREVIOUS PURCHASES (games, DLC, etc) would pretty much solve the problem.
@McTwist How is this a crap generation? Baldur's Gate III, Elden Ring, Astro Bot, Alan Wake II, God of War: Ragnarok, Final Fantasy XVI, Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth, Cyberpunk 2077, Returnal, Dragon's Dogma II, Demon's Souls, Gran Turismo 7, Helldivers 2...
Need I go on?
I like that idea way more than how it is over here. In fact, Sony was doing that initially during the PS5 shortage (that's how I got mine). But on the flip side, a new player interested in getting one will now be screwed.
I remember Valve doing something similar to this when the Oled Steam Decks released. Only accounts that were made over 30 days and had a few purchased games could buy a Steam Deck.
@JackiePriest I really doubt a first time player is going to buy a limited production run of an overpriced console.
Im all for it.
Inconvenience’s none of us that use a PS.
Just 30 hours since 2014? Many a scalper should have that from FIFA or CoD when they aren't busy scalping.
@Bunchesopuppies Just meant the concept in general. Like during the PS5 shortage; a new player interested in getting one wouldn't have been able to.
Sounds like "it has to look like we are doing something".
Only those with at least 5 variations of the well-received Gump Jump series can pre-order
Maybe they could only sell the consoles to those that have played 1000 hours in Concord, @get2sammyb. That would sort the men from the boys... 😂
They could also fight scalpers by producing more than 3
I got thousands of hours on my account & own more than at least 300 games. But i don't have the money to get the limited anniversary edition.
But at least it's good to see Sony fight back these dirty scalpers.
Great Ideas but what if its little Tommy's 1st console...why in hell sony are even bothered in skanky scalpers is worrying...as you were im of to buy Knack
Dunno if 30 hours is enough, but I'd pull a requirement for you to own the account for at least 3~6 months
I've said for YEARS that they should use gamer info to verify sales. If you got a PSN that's years old, tons of trophies, etc... that should be the priority for ordering.
I'm not saying to not allow any sales to those that don't qualify, but instead prioritize the people who are actually going to buy it and use it.
@Number09 I don't think little Tommy is awfully nostalgic as it's most likely going to be an overpriced way of playing Fortnite, Minecraft and Roblox
I wish if Sony can cancel the pre-orders for anyone with less than 30 hours in PSN and then give the opportunity for the actual humans to buy it.
Just don't get why the slim version has to be so limited. Sony can shove the pros up their U know what's.
@tameshiyaku no problem just disregard newcomers that's the way your a genius.
Well Sony have to look like they are doing something about it, but they don’t care they sold out.
A massive company like this and knowing what has happened before, should have had an invite system in place weeks before preorders.
The 30th aniversary console should have been by invite only offer, it to people that have trophies on the ps3,4 and 5, Or have been PS plus subscribers for a certain period. Once they have at least offered it to there main fans then it can go on general sale.
@wildcat_kickz
You named a lot of cross platform games and remakes buddy.
Returnal, BG3, Astrobot, ER, sure. No console sellers though and definitely not using all that much PS5 juice making the Pro, once again, redundant.
GT7 shouldn't be on that list either. FF games are always there and are nothing more than just enjoyable.
Dragons Dogma 2 was such an insane disappointment, it's crazy.
That's the theme though this generation: disappointment after disappointment.
Where are the games that truly squeeze the PS5 juice for there to be a Pro? Serious question.
Why is GTA 4 on PS3 still more impressive than most modern games that lack physics and proper world interaction? Why does Spider-Man 2 on PS2 have physics and the PS freaking 5 version doesn't?
It's gamers acceptance of mediocrity that games have taken such a nosedive the last 2 generations. Look where Ubisoft is now. They've become so complacent and it's gonna take them down. I'm all for it. Good riddance
The best solution would be to do something akin to a crowdfunding like Hasbro Pulse does, put the consoles up a good 6-12 months on a backing system and let people pay for the project. Instead of limiting the console to 12300 people, allow the backing to run for a month and then stop it. Everyone that wants one gets one and these scalpers could be eradicated when it comes to PlayStation consoles. Anyone that misses out, misses out, but at least the people that genuinely want the console can get it.
@Rich33
I thought it was an article typo and it should have said 2024 lol
30 hours over 10 years is absurdly low.
But I welcome any effort to stop scalpers.
@Owyn It’s still a hurdle, and makes things slightly more difficult. Some of them won’t bother.
@get2sammyb
Yes, many trophies are just given for basically playing the first few minutes of a game, but scalpers won’t like having to play a load of games before having an eligible account to buy with. Even more so if Sony didn’t count trophies from free to play games.
They could always just make more of them, which would be great for 2 reasons.
1. More fans can get one
2. Scalpers and those who bought them for £5K can argue over whether they should get refunds
I wish they would have done this worldwide.
@GreatAuk
Maybe they are just testing their system works, and using Japan as things havent been selling there that well, in case the system doesnt work and blocks everyone!
30 hours seems too small numbers.
i think fans will play hundreds to thousands hours at least.
but im happy they have a bit fight for this.
Another botched pre order (from the punters perspective). What could fix this?
Someone on here mentioned having them sent to actual stores, in US could be partnered with Best Buy for example and just have people queue, sure you could still resell, but at least forces people who want it out? Problem there is you'd have to spread them around the entire country (countries) so most locations would only have a few.
Why not just ask for payment upfront? What am I missing with this? This would at least stop people just sitting on them with their credit cards? Maybe a combination of a down payment + looking at gaming history? I'm lost with it to be honest, seems to be a snag with every angle? I know these were limited but they definitely could have used more of these.
We live in times where there is videochats, face recognitions, voice recognitions and translators. How about to use them in a good way to preorder one piece per customer based on videochat? They can adhoc search thru previous video preorders if this person haven't already preordered? I think it is not impossible...
Would have been nice if they did this before the pre-orders went live… Do much for those of us that wanted one now
A requirement like this would surely help, but do we really think all scalpers are non-gamers?
@wildcat_kickz you forgot stellar blade!
@McTwist I wholeheartedly disagree with you on just about every point you made, but to each their own. I hope you find joy somewhere else in your life, because gaming doesn't seem to be doing it for you at the moment.
@wildcat_kickz well said. Genuinely surprised with all the doom and gloom. We gamers are eating well.
@wildcat_kickz That guy is intense huh? lol
I'm still confused why they didn't use PS Stars for this, they have implement the system for rewarding fans and haven't used it much at all. Makes no sense!
Excellent idea, at least for a window of opportunity, say 2 weeks
You need to complete the PushSquare Ultimate Quiz: Test Your PlayStation General Knowledge - The PS5 Pro Edition with bonus questions, and the average must be an 8 to get in front of the line. Under an 8, you get pushed back at the end of the line 😜
@wildcat_kickz and we still have a good amount of time left to add to it. GTA 6 will be bonkers, first party games, many many others coming. 2025 alone is looking like a stacked year. Even more so for me as i own all 3 consoles. But even to those that don’t 2025 is looking strong to ad to your list 😃
@wildcat_kickz @McTwist Where are the games that truly squeeze the PS5 juice for there to be a Pro? Serious question.
Easy question to answer. Every game not running 60fps. Look the Pro isn’t for everyone. It’s for those wanting performance the PS5 has shown it can’t do. Now if the PS5 does enough for you then it’s all you need. If you want 60fps or ray tracing or other features and settings than there is the juice the PS5 don’t have. We all know the Pro won’t sell 30-40 million units cause only around 10-15 million people want that performance. I myself can’t wait to sell my base PS5 and upgrade to Pro.
So buying something to sell for a profit is wrong now? Strange times
I don't really get the enormous hate that scalpers receive.
@Number09 Actually I meant it mostly humourous, but also that a 1000$ special edition set just wasn't created with someone's first PlayStation in mind, not to gatekeep people from playing.
No need to get hostile unless you have a little Tommy in the family that really wants that specifically. If so then I apologise.
@Deljo Thats a bit disingenuous, they are not simply buying something and selling it for a profit; they preventing legitimate buyers from getting an item (intentionally) so that they can sell it for considerably more.
@bindiana true, that would actually signal that Sony is actually celebrating with those that have been along for the ride the longest in an actual provable way. Celebrate and reward those who helped them to their success (and also making a boatload of extra cash and unruffle some feathers from the ps5pro price announcement of course)
30 hours!? I manage that in a day
@ShogunRok I own BOTH Knack and Knack II. Loved those games. Wish they updated the mobile app because that used to help out a LOT in getting parts for the game.
@Perturbator that’s why they should’ve made it mandatory that you were a PS Plus Premium member for a certain amount of time. Make the sales invite only to those folks.
@FinneasGH I got both…..AND used the mobile app!
Well, 30 hours over 10 years isn't very much. Did you mean 2014?
@HonestHick
Fair enough, but wouldn't the question then be why the PS4 and PS5 are lacking?
I'm honestly asking, because I'm baffled by it, because the PS3 did have something in its hardware that could simulate insanely impressive physics and the newer consoles only care about graphics, ray tracing and framerates.
I'm more impressed at the technical marvel that is GTA IV than I am with any openworld game that came after (except for Rockstar games). Is there something there that only Rockstar can squeeze out or is there some hardware bottleneck that prevents developers from creating proper physics anymore? Or have developers/ publishers become too complacent and adopted the Ubisoft mentality of releasing crap and thinking "they'll buy it anyway".
Why are the original Halo games so impressive. They're even online games and everything reacts so beautifully with eachother. Explosions, punches, vehicles, everything has its physics and it's all seamless. Now we have Concord.
Something's wrong and I can't believe nobody else cares anymore
Hopefully Sony also limits it to one console per address to stop bulk buying.
I bought my Slim Digital at the weekend and I am over the moon with it.
The Pro model would be wasted on my TV anyway.
@get2sammyb They could also... you know... restock the thing?
@MinervaX
I'm guessing they'll do a second run of the 30th Anniversary edition or alternatively standalone plates within the next 12 months. Just a random guess but seems like releasing 12,300 for the entire world was more of a marketing gimmick than anything, and a wider release will follow down the road.
Ohhh OK, but they don't decided to do that for the US/UK where the scalping is Magnitudes greater..... Convenient
@McTwist well i certainly care. But games are getting much bigger in not only size of the maps but what we are loading. Mainly higher resolution and textures. Also not to many that i can remember was asking for 60fps back in those days all that much. Most of us were ok with 30ps. If memory serves me right. It’s not that the PS4 or PS5 are lacking, but they do have to come out with price and available tech in its time frame. A lot of planning goes into that and when thats done they can start to think about pro models or next gens. Sorry kind of a vanilla answer but it’s true. It’s just the give and the take with consoles. But a lot of players now want their console to do things that from the start they just always achieve. The Pro will be nice for those that want that experience, but it will cost us players some money.
IDK, I have probably thousands of hours since PS4, and I probably don't have that many trophies and only 2 platinum. But as long as it's a reasonable and stated value it seems like a fair idea. It does hurt first time buyers, of course. And also highlights very clearly that the target market for the Pro is not new customers but upgrading existing customers. New customers can't even buy one.
@get2sammyb I'm sure the bots could play Pet the Kitty or whatever that game was to rack up trophies, lol.
@__jamiie Because they buy up entire stocks of things people legitimately want and sell them for super inflated prices? Not at all hard to understand…
@LavenderShroud But nobody needs one. This is a luxury purchase that no-one has to have straight away. The people buying from the scalpers are the problem because they've created the market.
If they don't buy them then scalping goes away.
I told myself I was NOT going to buy a PS5 Pro. Was adamant. My pre-order has been successfully placed. Also an additional $100+ for a stand and disc drive. The PS5 and Xbox Series X will soon hit eBay to cushion that blow.
I suppose they really did mean collectors edition. Well I’m gona break that seal on my 30th portal packaging and play the life out of it thank you very much there’ll be no resale no auctions; no museum piece to be had it will be strictly for my own satisfaction. And the 30th Dualsense as a consequence will likely just be for show…
Here's how you stop it. You of course can't stop people purchasing and trying to profit. However you can NOT BUY FROM A SCALPER and thus they have wasted their money and maybe might think twice in the future. Of course this won't happen because for every scalper there are 3 people willing to pay through the ass for it so it will always happen with anything ltd, always.
I wonder if the US PlayStation store has similar requirements for pre-ordering because mine went through quick and easy when signed into my PSN account.
2014 is a low bar and about right time tbh
Good idea , not the right country Sony ! AND MAKE SOME GAMES !!!
That's a pretty low bar for the time frame. Legit gamers could still flip it but it's better than nothing at all for Japan. Selling a limited edition item w/o thinking about resellers jumping ahead of real fans is stupid Sony. You did this back with the PS4 and learned nothing?
@sanderson72 Because they have more self discipline then us American's to know their suckers for buying it.
@ShogunRok
and knack 2.
30 hours is practically nothing in the gaming world. I'll take it at least because it's a start
I hope they do this worldwide for PS6
What about buyers new to Playstation?
Do the Japanese even give enough of a ***** about Playstation these days?
If it were a limited edition Nintendo Switch maybe......
So if you create 4 different accounts on your console with 4 different emails and take turns with each account idling any game for a week, you can then place 4 pre-orders like there's no tomorrow? ... asking for a friend
Should do this worldwide, also bind the account to the PS5 as primary for 6 months and ensure it can't used unless signed in (if password changes it needs to be re-eneterd to continue using the console), this would stop those who qualify from buying it and selling it on also.
@DualWielding nope
@tameshiyaku I am sorry if you felt I was Hostile I am very much tongue in cheek Getting back to scalpers having read all comments just one person has come up with a genuine idea that suits all ..... djlard says "We live in times where there is videochats, face recognitions, voice recognitions and translators. How about to use them in a good way to preorder one piece per customer based on videochat? They can adhoc search thru previous video preorders if this person haven't already preordered? I think it is not impossible".Have a good day Sir.
I never wanted to buy any anniversary bundle or item. But this whole situation is 'disgusting'.
Why none of them do anything against it? And why there is no cooperation between all these companies yet?
I know, I know I am just one from billions of people, I barely will make changes alone. I am working on not using at all dodgy companies and their dodgy practices.
At least Sony does a step ahead in Japan now. I hope they will figure out something smart for the future disaster.
These scalpers, phone scammers are thief.
Sony should do the same in america by cancelling all the limited edition preorders and requiring 1000+ hrs of combined playtime that would prove you are a diehard sony fan and not some scalper
Hey that's pretty good
I can't believe I rushed to get a standard PS5 pro when they are still in stock to pre order nearly a week later. How many units did they allocate to the UK? it must either be an awful lot or selling poorly.
Or they could actually Just create a legal patent in the terms of purchase where you can't sell the console for an allotted amount of time, or for making profit of a certain percentage threshold without the confirmation of contact with Sony themselves. I own Ps, Xbox and PC. I every playstation mode, my gaming room consists of most games released for both consoles, but I have no play time since I play my PC the most. But does that mean I'm not a fan because I have 0 hours on Ps account? Dare say I'm a bigger fan than most of these proclaimed fans who would just play a single game like CoD or Fortnite and Fifa. Just a thought, but Sony knew these preorders would be riddled with scalpers especially since they were even trying to buy out the disc drives before the release 🤷♂️ I dunno, I feel a lot more could have been done leading up to the release of this limited edition version. Should have maybes been dropped randomly without a mention then people would have actually had a chance with it.
@Number09 The only thing with that is how does it accompany families that have multiple children? As I say they should just patent them in the contract of purchase with a statement of no resale for x amount of years and a cap on a profit margin to stop scalpers so if they tried to resale getting sued for it would comply, they do it with cars, why can't they do it with a console
@KreDz its good to know Sony are concerned and your idea does show merit the one thing that concerns me is its the consumer that gets punished because of scalpers then there is the issue of online cheaters is the reason I can't play GT7 Offline.
@get2sammyb Sadly you can get a lot of trophies with Shovelware at 99 cents in just seconds...
Wow because hour play time and 'only for the players' is a Pro deserving? What about if people waited a long time for a Pro? What about if Sony doesn't have stats on Switch/Xbox/PC gamers who wanted a PS5 Pro?
I get it's scalpers or others but even still. Prevention of scalping is one thing and hour count. XD
But besides the new account thing which sure like forums seeing the 10+ posts or whatever thing and they lift restrictionsn. I get what they are going for but is it really enough?
If people are smart enough or bots made to well enough work around this stuff it's pointless if a bot could create new accounts or just sit in a game for 2 days and meet the 30 hours easy. XD Whether regular players or bots and changing the hour extent and the console just active at all times like those without memory cards left the console on a lot can be determined of players versus bots and left on through hours of a day/active playing and inputs or random ones to just keep it going, playing the game properly or not to progress, achieving trophies or not. Whatever people construct like those AI that learn to play a game and go oh I died, learn from this and that to play Mario Bros or other stuff sure for each game I get it but even still.
They need better prevention. It's a solution it's not a great one though but it's a start.
I get they are trying to prevent it but that's a stupid logic to have with it of 30+ hours play time on the platform no matter who the audience is.
I think there are a couple workable ways to lock out scalpers from their online storefront. Whether it's trophy count, hours played, or age of the account.
But that would require effort. And I remind everyone this is the same company that took 4 years to add customized themes to the PS5 UI, a feature which still hasn't been fully implemented.
And just forget about third party retailers doing anything about this. They have absolutely zero incentive to do so and Sony has no leverage to compel them to change. The retailers have all the power in that relationship.
My position has always been there is a legitimate financial incentive for Sony to keep this hardware out of the hands of scalpers; if a PS5 is sitting in a closet waiting to be sold at an extortionate mark-up, that's Sony missing out on game, DLC, and microtransaction revenue from a legitimate end user. How much money did Sony lose as a result of the PS5 scalping debacle which lasted every bit of two straight years? Millions? Billions? All because they couldn't be bothered to assign a team of competent people to the task for a couple weeks to work it out.
But I think by writing this I just put more thought into it than Sony execs have over the course of the previous 4 years.
The solution is to make enough for the PlayStation players that want it. The solution is to just release it to market.
Sorry, but creating this special waiting line in the one website that will sell it, is expressly FOR scalpers. Anyone can plug a PS5 in and let it run, that isn’t any sort of stopgap. I thought that was a joke…because it should be.
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