
Switch 2 fans are becoming increasingly irate with Digital Foundry, as the tech experts continue to compare Nintendo’s new console to the PS4.
We’ve talked about how PlayStation has become a measuring stick for the incoming system, but fans are getting more and more agitated with the frequent references to Sony’s 12-year-old machine.
Late last week, the team pointed out that many of the third-party games running on Switch 2 so far performed similarly to their PS4 counterparts, and it used examples like Elden Ring and Yakuza 0: Director’s Cut to argue its case.
Adding balance, it stressed how impressive all of this is in a handheld format, and also added that Nintendo’s new unit has many modern features that weren’t present on the PS4, like DLSS and ray-tracing.
But in a new hands-on with Cyberpunk 2077, the team has once again attracted criticism for comparing CD Projekt RED’s sprawling sci-fi RPG to the ill-fated PS4 version.
“According to Digital Foundry, the performance of older generation consoles improves with each passing year,” one viewer sarcastically said.
“I’m looking forward to seeing how much the PS5’s performance will have improved by the time the Switch 3 is released.”
Another added: “Switch 2 coverage has been very poor so far! What we’re seeing on screen and what they’re saying does not match at all. When you put Switch 2 games side-by-side with the PS4 version, it's very clear the Switch 2 version looks considerably better. Nothing has showed this is PS4 class hardware.”
Responding to the backlash on forum ResetEra, Digital Foundry’s Alex Battaglia said he’s “genuinely shocked people are somehow upset with the comparison to the PS4”.
He continued: “We are talking about a max 30-ish watt Ampere GPU on an outdated and more power-hungry process. It cannot be Series S level, let alone PS5 level in a good number of categories.
“Even if Ampere is a more forward-looking architecture than RDNA 1.5/2 of the PS5, there are just hard wattage limits in play that are very important to its performance in spite of a nice feature set.”
Of course, Digital Foundry itself admits this is still early days, and there’s much more testing to be done. In the case of its Cyberpunk 2077 coverage, it points out that the demo includes areas from the Phantom Liberty expansion, which of course never released on the PS4.
But it seems like the comparisons to Sony’s last-gen console aren’t going to go away, and we suspect fan frustration is only going to continue to bubble until the system is out.
[source youtube.com, via resetera.com]
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I got told yesterday by a user on NL that the Switch 2's power is much closer to the PS5 but if the experts are saying it's not then it's not, obviously their views are more valid.
But Nintendo have never been about power, that has always been left to fight between PlayStation and Xbox and their fans. No need to start dragging Nintendo into this as well, as long as they keep releasing amazing games then I'm happy no matter how powerful (or not) it is.
I guess that these voices are a vocal minority. Most people are happy to get PS4 performance on a 10 W mobile device with an acceptable battery life.
Such an interesting dichotomy here. For years, Switch mains have postured about not caring about graphics or performance, but then outrages like this happen. Happened whenever any review mentioned technical issues with Switch 1: "My 2015 tablet isn't the problem, it's lazy devs!!"
ps4 had some great looking games im not sure its a bad comparison to make infact its a compliment
It’s somewhere between the PS4 and PS5, obviously. Closer to the PS4 in some ways, the PS5 in others.
The Switch 2 can do things the PS4 could only dream of, and it’s all solid-state storage so access times are faster which mitigates a lot compared to the hard drive based PS4. Yes, you could drop an SSD in the base PS4 but it couldn’t USE most of that speed due to hardware based throughput limitations.
Nintendo did a fine job on the power level for this console, given the need to make it a hybrid. Zero complaints from this Sony/Nintendo fanboy.
Switch 2 is objectively superior though. It has SSD storage, it has a superior CPU, it supports DLSS and other modern GPU features such as mesh shaders and VRS. It also has more RAM to play with for higher detail textures.
I think once again people are misunderstanding Digital Foundry, which is all too common. In raw pixel pushing output it may match PS4, but the perceived visual output will be very different in the vast majority of games - thanks to the newer architectures. And loading times/asset streaming will be lightyears ahead because of the SSD. They have said as much on their podcast.
I will try to make Nintendo fans happy by saying that Switch 2 is superior to PlayStation 3
The big upgrade from PS4 to PS5 that Sony kept promoting, the reason they claimed cartoon looking R & C couldn't release on PS4, was the move from HDD to SSD. Well there is no HDD I'm aware of in the Switch 2.🤷♂️ Has anyone compared the loading speeds of the Switch 2 memory and carts to PS4 and PS5 loading times? I'm guessing Switch 2 isn't nearly as fast as PS5 but surely it's faster than the PS4 HDD.
I've watched the videos of 3rd party games on Switch 2, Cyberpunk and Elden Ring, that I've already played on PS5, and they look bad on Switch 2 in comparison. To the point where there really isn't a comparison worth being made, it's just obvious.
So while I can see people being annoyed about the PS4 vs Switch 2 comparisons, they are there to be made. And I think Switch 2 is probably going to come out on top 99% of the time as I think the combination of newer tech in the Switch 2 is better than like 15 year old PS4 tech. But as much as I think Switch 2 is better in nearly every way than PS4, it still isn't comparable to PS5. Not from what I've seen anyway.
I would think it’s more closer to Series S than a PS5 or a Series X. Or someone said, between PS4 and PS5.
But then again what’s odd is when they were comparing FF7 Remake, they compared it to the PS4 version (which is the original) but the Switch 2 version is the Integrade version which is on PS5. So why not compare Integrade on Switch 2 with Integrade on PS5?
Also if it is graphically on par with PS4, shouldn’t Cyberpunk 2077 look like the PS4 version? Shouldn’t Phantom Liberty not be running on Switch 2?
Again I think Switch 2 is somewhere between PS4 and PS5. More powerful than PS4 but less powerful than PS5. Kinda like the Switch 1 where it was more powerful than PS3 but weaker than PS4. I’m betting Switch 2 is much closer in power to a Series S more or less.
People can’t handle DF stating facts. It’s the same as with the Pro, when DF says some games run quantifiably better with 60fps in stead of 30fps or with better ray tracing. People will yell “i cant see it”.
Yeah you might not see it, but it’s still measurably there.
They know what they’re taking about. If they’re concluding that some games on the Switch 2 are running approximately the same as on PS4, you just have to deal with it 🤷🏻♂️
People should relax, it’s also just the beginning of the console. Their games, especially first party Nintendo, will become way better than these first batch of ported 3rd party games
I'm never sure whom I dislike most when it comes to the rabid idolatry of gigantic corporations.
The ball will be in Nintendo fans court when they don't understand what DLSS upscaling and frame generation is for example but when that is taken out of the equation, which doesn't justify $90 price tags, it will still be a PS4 specd device underneath it all.
But fanyboys will be fanboys.
Their exclusive games is the reason why they remain relevant. Same reason why I always choose PS over Xbox.
Yeah, the console is not a great improvement, but the games are why the Switch sold as good as it sold. MK and DK look amazing with in the new system, but even if Cyberpunk does the same, it is a kind of game that will always play better in the latest PS console. Just keep those Mario and Zelda games coming, my PS and Nintendo consoles just complement each other
So is in the middle of PS4 and Series S, for a portable that's still pretty good. Nintendo hasn't been about cutting edge hardware since the GameCube so I'm not sure why Nintendo fans would be mad about this.
@Cakefish I agree to most of your arguments. But is the NS2 CPU really superior to the PS4 one? Yes, the architecture is newer and ARM is great in general. But the PS4 clocks at 1.6 GHz. Digital Foundry will certainly find a way to benchmark the CPUs.
I think part of the problem is we've had Playstation fans banging on about how a low wattage handheld device being on par with a PS4 is a bad thing because the games won't look good, despite the games looking damn near identical in most cases to PS4, but apparently that means PS4 games look bad now? This was of course during the rumour phase of the hardware.
The other problem I think is Digital Foundry themselves have put such an immense focus on the tech and performance and how a game looks and basically saying dropping a frame here or there is bad, and it's become so loud that it's now gospel for the quality of a game online. Which it shouldn't be. But they've also never bothered to correct this as just one aspect of why a game is good or bad. They just state the facts and let the console wars use it as ammo, and make bank off of it.
And the final problem, and this will likely become evident as the generation goes on, is how comparing it to the PS4 isn't really the whole story. What we are likely to see is games performing like PS4, some like PS4 Pro and so on. It will be a spectrum and based on technology advancing it'll be quite a broad one too. Will we see PS5 level of detail and resolution with raytracing? No. Youre insane. But will we see stuff thats damn impressive and way above what a PS4 could have delivered, not just in resolution and frame rate (as Switch 2 already surpasses it on both fronts), but in gameplay features too.
I mean wasn't everyone expecting it to be the equivalent of a PS4? Why are people freaking out, Nintendo had always been behind on graphics ever since going down the wii route. After they got destroyed by sony during the PS2 gen they realized that the couldn't complete so they went down the casual route and when that finally failed with the wii u, they decided to combine their handheld and console audience with hybrid.
It really doesn’t matter imo. Graphics are fractionally better on the ps5 than they were on the ps4. PS4 power in a hand held is definitely good enough.
@Juanalf I think most know it isn’t gonna be as powerful as a PS5 or a Series X. However their main issue is comparing to PS4 repeatedly when like some of the games they compared didn’t exactly make much sense. Like they compared the original PS4 version of FF7 remake to Switch 2 version of Integrade, that doesn’t make sense because the original PS4 version isnt Intergrade but the PS5 version is. So why not compare the PS5 version of the same game? Why compare to the PS4 version which is different from the PS5 version (which the Switch 2 version is based off on).
Also I believe some games (mainly Street Fighter 6) apparently look a bit more better on a Switch 2 than on a Series S. Maybe comparing Switch 2 to a Series S might be a better or more interesting comparison.
I'm fine with the comparison since the ps5/pro is technically just a wee bit better than the PS4/pro.
Also seeing something like the xenoblade games load between fast travel points within seconds on a switch 1 shows that they already had a solid memory advantage ages ago.
@Cakefish "I think once again people are misunderstanding Digital Foundry, which is all too common"
There is certainly a contingent of people who take umbrage with something DF says when they have wilfully ignored the full context or don't actually understand the point which DF is arguing.
Nintendo fans will just have to get used to the system being compared to last gen machines because that's the starting point for any port. In some ways it will be ahead of the PS4 versions, in some ways it will be equal or even behind. Even if Switch is universally better than the PS4 in results, it's still going to be compared to PS4 as much as PS5/Series S.
having newer technology is all well and good but some of these people don't understand that Switch is designed around a battery not a full throated mains powered device. Even docked it's going to be restricted.
@Americansamurai1 Incredibly stepping out of the power race looks to have been the right move with how expensive games are to make now, in money and time, and how bloated they get after hitting the graphical ceiling.
Irony being that Nintendo got bodied by the PS2, which by far and away in terms of raw performance was laughable compared to its competition.
x86 PC's and consoles are just brute forcing performance with high power consumption. Newer AMD and Intel GPUs are showing improvements, but I think we'll see big changes with arm64 compatibility layers/emulation.
These are far more elegant and sophisticated chips.
The snapdragon 8 elite 2 is supposed to have GPU support. Imagine having a phone/tablet handheld that can run the big games with upscaling/frame sampling if needed that have very long battery life (2-8h depending on application) and a GPU dock for hooking it up to an outlet and monitor.
@Haruki_NLI yeah gamecube was definitely more powerful ironically, but got destroyed by PS2. Yeah agree aaa developing needs really changed it's getting ridiculously expensive.
Just by virtue of time and technology changes, the hardware does have a feature set that is improved over the PS4 - things like Mesh Shader support, real-time RT, AI upscaling, etc. It will be able to run games the PS4 can’t with some potentially improved visual capabilities.
But, we are talking mobile hardware with battery life and thermals to consider. Resolution Targets, in-game settings, and Performance metrics are going to be quite similar to what PS4 was achieving for applicable games.
It’s not like the visual delta between PS4 and PS5 is all that drastic, anyways!
So kudos to Nintendo for a solid system, but don’t be so stuck up the company’s butt to fail to recognize that even being compared to PS4 on mobile hardware is a huge accomplishment and not an insult!
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Mario Kart World looks so much better on the PS4. It is clearly worse than a PS4. Cancelling my pre-order now.
Surely this article is flaming the community a bit won't you say?
They can compare it to whatever they want. I don't consider it to be a competitor to my PS5.
I will get a switch 2 day one and I know what I'm going to get from the system. Excellent, polished, original games.
Something Sony and Microsoft often fail at.
It seems like they’re acknowledging that it’s more advanced than the PS4, but performance wise it isn’t Series S level and is more equivalent to a PS4. Call it what you want, performance is performance.
@UltimateOtaku91 Saying Nintendo has never been about power is a bit disingenuous considering they were marketing the N64 as the most powerful console in the world (until Dreamcast showed up). Even the GameCube went head to head with the Xbox and PS2. It’s only since the Wii that they’ve dialled the hardware back a generation.
A small subset of people are upset about it, which is to be expected. I personally don't mind the comparisons.
Digital Foundry’s Alex Battaglia can't (a) say he's shocked at the criticism; and then (b) spout a load of impenetrable technobabble that not a single one of his critics will read or understand.
You're dealing with fanboy emotions here dude, logic, evidence and reasoned arguments won't cut it. Just tell them that you're sorry and the Switch 2 is literally the best console in all ways to all people and you might have a chance.
I've never cared what Digital Foundry says about any system. They have clear biases and ultimately, if something is fun, that's all that matters.
@Oram77 Of course it's flaming the community a bit. Switch 2 is stealing the gaming zeitgeist for a moment, so PushSquare needs clicks. The site is affiliated with Eurogamer and by extension DigitalFoundry, who is covering the Switch 2.
Money money money.
@StrickenBiged The irony is this is Alex Battaglia, who famously has nothing nice to say about Switch or consoles in general because he lives, breathes and adores only the finest purebred PCs.
That's if he says anything about them at all. The discussion videos usually amount to him saying "Neat but I dont care".
@Czar_Khastik (#7) 😂😂😂
@Hordak They might have biases, we all do, but the framerates and image quality of the games they review don’t 😉
Digital Foundry know their stuff. If they say it’s comparable to PS4, then that’s the case. Switch 2 fans are just in denial. You don’t buy a Nintendo console for its power.
More playground bickering from both sides of the gaming world.
I think Nintendo are trying to market the Switch 2 as a power rival to disillusioned Playstation fans at the expense of their own customer base.
I think Playstation 5 still doesn’t have much of a library of games for Sony to crow about.
Frankly I’m quite sick of console gaming at the moment as companies aren’t listening to their current fans.
@Haruki_NLI @StrickenBiged damn did he actually say all that?
@Brundleflies21 (#11) exactly this, staning over mega corporations always looks narrow minded and against self-interest. Just like the folks on here yapping about "if it's a Nintendo IP i'll throw my money at them" to justify the $90 price tag to indulge their nostalgia. #TOTKwasboring
Can't argue with the facts and DF is just presenting it how it is
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Well I’m a switch 2 fan and I couldn’t give a s*** about this.
I don't see any switch 2 games that looks better than god of war ghost of tsushima.infamous secon son.etc.word up son
@UltimateOtaku91
I did see that comment on Nintendo Life.
It made me smile.
Switch is 3.1 tflops
PS4 Pro 4.2 tflops
If we allow a bit more on Switch 2 for more modern tech, then at the very best it’s at PS4 Pro levels.
It’s simple the day we see a Switch 2 game running at PS4 Pro levels of Horizon Forbidden West with all the trimmings and no cut backs when DOCKED to be fair, will be the day I pass out.
It's almost as if Switch 2 fans are completely oblivious to Nintendo's preference of creating new consoles from older tech... I think the last generation Nintendo actually went toe-to-toe with their competitors on tech was the 16-bit era with the SNES vs. Sega Genesis/Megadrive.
Also everyone forgets Switch 2 in handheld mode is only 1.7 tflops and all games have to work for the lowest common denominator.
Yes when docked it can up the resolution and fps, but it won’t change the base games.
Level of detail, draw distance and characters on screen etc.
I don't see the issue. Nintendo consoles haven't been about power since the GameCube, but the first party games always look great through great design. Mine's preordered ready to sit next to my PS5, and I can't wait for the new Mario Kart.
Why are you doing blatant engagement bait with everything regarding Switch 2? It’s quickly becoming exhausting.
I 100% would rely on DF for objective detail such as frame rates / pacing, and resolutions - and generally only purchase a game once it has been 'passed' by them in this regard.
However, more and more they are getting very nitpicking (to an extreme degree on occasion), and odd when it comes to subjective detail.
They also have certain biases imo, not towards a specific brand (well except the one who only likes PC and doesn't really hide it), but towards certain visual aspects like motion blur and RT (even if barely noticeable).
That said, I very much doubt Switch 2 is anything but part way between a PS4 and a Series S, and theres not really any need to start comparing to a PS5 or Series X.
Better versions of 3rd party games will always be better elsewhere,if you don't like mario or Zelda then there's not much point in owning one.
@anoyonmus Another one is Elden Ring, the PS4 version uses the lowest graphics settings at 1080p 30fps. Switch 2 appears to be using the PC versions high quality preset sans RT, at the same 1080p 30fps as PS4. It's definetly not PS5 level, but it's punching above the PS4. Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty could not run on PS4, it's included with the Switch 2 version.
@UltimateOtaku91 It's not that they've never been about hardware power. The NES, SNES, N64 and GameCube were all more powerful than the Sega or Sony competitors. The Xbox (original) was probably more powerful than the GC though. Remember, they called the N64 that because it was 64-bit rather than 32-bit like the Saturn and PS1. They used the name of the console, and several games like Mario 64, to boast about the power. Imagine if Uncharted 4 was called Uncharted 1.6 (or 1600 depending on if we're talking GHz or MHz) because that was the speed of the PS4 CPU. It's pretty weird when you think about it.
I don't see the point in any of this. So childish...
Even if the games are 'only' PS4 level, having that available in such a portable little bit of kit is fantastic, isn' it? Forget internet connection, you can play Cyberpunk or Elden Ring on the toilet now, or in a tent, or on a plane. I can't wait!
Pretty disappointed with this site recently. There's a reason Sony fanboys are bemoaned as they seem to be the main modern drivers of the console war nonsense. Didn't expect to see so much fanning of the flames on here with the reveal of the Switch 2. Just seems insecure to me.
i watched so many digital foundry reviews over the years and they are usually spot on.
switch 2 will be getting third party ports that have been on the ps some for years now.. but they wont be ps5 quality..also considering switch 2 will last at least 7 years by that time ps6 will be midway through it's life cycle..
@Buizel This whole issue is about Nintendo fans mad at Digital Foundry.
But somehow everything always leads back to blaming “Sony fanboys” 😂
Edit: Sony fans get blamed for a lot. Probably because they lead in quantity, but in my personal experience, some of the other platforms “fanboys” can be way more toxic.
At least on this site you also have plenty of fans giving Sony deserved critiques. In fact, sometimes, i feel Sony gets a harsher treatment overall, or gets hit by double standards more than other platforms
Those are just my observations though, even though i prefer PS, i couldn’t care less about console warring
Man, hardcore Nintendo fans are weird people. They accept whatever Nintendo gives them, and then defend the outdated hardware for each new console released.
@Czar_Khastik 😆😂☠️
@Boxmonkey
I mostly agree with this. I have a nice 4K TV, but when I'm playing Blu-rays at 1080p vs my handful of 4K discs, from my viewing distance it is not much different.
RDR2 on PS4 looks still looks great. I hope RDR2 comes out on Switch 2. They already have RDR.
@LogicStrikesAgain But why report this then? It's a topic about Nintendo fanboys and the Switch 2. Aside from the comparisons to Playstation consoles, it really has nothing to do with PS consoles or games itself.
The only reason I can surmise is something along the lines of "look how much more powerful our console is than the Switch 2" / "look how immature Switch 2 fans are"! Just engagement / fanboy bait, really.
Edit: I will say generally the site hasn't been bad for this, and you're right in that PS will openly criticise Sony when appropriate. It's just the recent slew of articles that bothers me.
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@Buizel It is baiting a little bit, I agree! But it actually does in fact have something to do with PS consoles, it’s pretty much a big part of what this issue is about
@JaxonH So this whole backlash against Digital Foundry by Nintendo fans, is actually all orchestrated by devious Sony fanboys brainwashing Nintendo fans?
You give Sony fanboys way too much credit 😂
I'm a Switch 2 Fan, and I can stand the comparison.
@rjejr it's a fact tho.. with the PS5 SSD, it would t be able to run on the PS4.. just a fact. And at the time.. so y has the fastest SSD out.. so they weren't lying or making up things..
If you like the system you bought than it shouldn’t matter what people compare it too 🤔
A portable PS4 sounds darn good to me
@Orpheus79V
You say the 2077 "couldn't run" on PS4, but can on Switch 2. All we know about the PS4 version is they didn't bother porting it, presumably because performance wasn't good enough. Well, look at all the footage so far from Switch 2 running those areas of the game. Frame rate tanking so hard that driving and combat are basically unplayable.
So the only real difference between them is that they did the right thing by not trying to sell it on PS4, whereas it's looking like they're happy to sell it on Switch 2 when that can't handle it either.
You'd think Nintendo fans would be used to it by now. I guess they're trying to justify the premium price point in their minds.
How did people become "fans" of something you can't own yet?
I'd suggest such a person represents absolutely no one, other than their own slightly disturbed obsession.
I've got mine pre-ordered, I'm open minded about what it will do, and I don't compare it to home consoles.
I view the Switch as a handheld. I remember back in the 3DS era I used to say "I wish I could plug this into a TV, as it's so uncomfortable hunched over this thing with these tiny controls when I mostly use it at home. I don't care if it looks bad scaled up on the TV, it's just better than hunched over like this".
That's my attitude with Switch. It's just a handheld that I can display on a TV so I don't get a neck ache. I don't even want to play the likes of Cyberpunk on it. I already have the darn game on PS5/Portal, XSX and PC.
@Ryanski Is it really a fact though? I'm pretty sure most people would have said The Witcher 3 would never run on Switch, but it did. I played TW3 on PS4, I'm SHOCKED it runs on Switch.
So could R & C run as well on PS4 as it could on PS5? Obviously not. One is brand new hardware, one was 6 or 7 years old. But PC people make modern games "run" on older hardware all the time. And consoles are basically PCs these days, so why not?
I remember Sony showing off PS5 w/ new games like Spiderman, God of War, Horizon, and then a bunch of them were dual released on PS4 as well. I just finished GoW:R last week. I think that was a lot more detailed than R & C was.
But even if PS4 couldn't run it b/c of the SSD, could it have run it with an SSD of its own? Guess we'll never know.
Anyway, Switch 2 doesn't have a HDD, so by the argument that R & C couldn't run on PS4 shouldn't Switch 2 be more powerful than PS4 all these years later? Not saying it could run R & C, that is a fact, Sony would never let it.😂
@Orpheus79V yeah exactly.
The swi2ch being a slightly beefier ps4 is nothing to throw temper tantrum about.
I'm a Switch fan (little premature to say Switch 2 fan, no?), and I'm fine with that comparison. I doubt it's that accurate; computational power is more complex than "which PlayStation does it run at."
But it's still fair and simple to say "outputs about at the same level as the PS4." Which I think was exactly what DF said, context and all. Dunno why Nintendo fans that have tolerated the Switch this whole time would mind that. Dunno why PlayStation fans would be surprised to learn a portable system that costs $450 would be at that level.
Nintendo fanboys are by far the worst among
the three categories of console fanboys
I think it will be amazing to see what Nintendo can achieve with PS4 level hardware!
Put it this way, I wish we had a portable console that I could play my PS4 games on (natively, not streaming)
I couldn't care less about tech specs. The Switch was basically on par with the ps3 (which was 11 years older) and still had some of the best games ever. That's what I care about. Good games. And Donkey Kong Bananza looks bananas.
Anyone who thinks an underclocked mobile GPU from 5 years ago is going to come anywhere near a PS5 is delusional. Switch 2 will surpass PS4 in a few ways, but in terms of compute power, on the heavily constrained power/heat budget of a handheld, PS4 level is great.
From what I've gathered from video online, it's closer to a Xbox Series S in power, so PS5/ XSX are definitely more powerful. Seemingly, it's also slightly better than the Steam Deck, at least from Cyberpunk 2077 comparisons, but they could have made the game more optimized specifically for Switch 2 hardware.
It's powerful enough to run the vast, vast majority of games well enough, which is more than could be said for Switch. It'll miss out on some stuff, but the AAA gap that existed on Switch probably won't be an issue with Switch 2.
You obviously won't buy it to play the biggest third-party games at the highest level of quality and performance, but just having a Nintendo console that can run most of what comes out is more than enough, considering people will still primarily be coming for the first-party titles.
@Foxhound True. I wish I could change my name sometimes. @JaxonH is a prime example with that ridiculous conspiracy theory. I guess my ignore settings on NL don't carry over. I'll correct that now.
Anyone with half a brain won't care about playstation comparison. 2 widely different ecosystems:
I could go on, but you get my point. It's like comparing a coffee maker and a TV. Both needs a power socket to work and that's about it.
Who cares anyway, it's a handheld, Nintendo is about gameplay/hardware experiences not power, why should it matter.
Articles on community mentality/opinions hmm.... Vocal audiences, HDR/4K dock & tweaks make it different. 5GB LRAM (whichever) & 8GB RAM PS4, tweaks. It's interesting. HDR/4K dock/1080p normal, no HDR on PS4/Xbox One at all.
Still fair 3 hrs battery of early model power/later model efficiency.
Different priorities of gameplay, artstyles, worlds, audience, it's all obvious at this point. Even a Series S with a screen (attachment one), completely different goal/experience, hardware anyway.
Enjoyed PSP cabled TV, same Wii U Gamepad. Switch 1 did enough of HD handheld, Vita ports & few other things. It wasn't best handheld in terms of games offered in this era, had IR/other gimmicks but still it had enough to it. It's a fair handheld like others.
Why should it matter based on customer base stupidity? It doesn't. XD Hardware wise or IP wise. All a load of social/dog chasing the same opinion mindset. It's pointless waste of time. Favourite company/IPs or others experience/preference, who cares use 1 or all. Old or new.
I care for the niche Nintendo IPs or Indies that don't disappoint me, I care about neither PS/Xbox 1st or 3rd party anymore due to their direction changes so I couldn't care less what power or choices they make I'm not their preferred customer, fine by me. But I still use their older platforms just not their recent/current ones, that's on them. Doesn't effect me.
I don't care about the social outcomes of that. Just what games/systems i want to experience that's it.
If people find those directions of games/hardware appealing by all means. I'm not buying either Switch 2, PS5 or Xbox Series anyway but have access to PS5/Xbox Series and never use them. Switch 1, PS4/Xbox One and older consoles I'm happy using anyway, got backlogs for them.
It catches up, for what third parties want, it offers mouse bridging the gap features like Wii did but differently, how they use it we will see.
I don't see the issue. It's a handheld, so why compare it to PS5/Xbox Series, it's not supposed to be and handheld or phone hardware has always been at a different pace, power level and other things to overcome that plugged into the wall (even if power banks for on the go use or emergencies can be used like with Wii U or others) differ. Why is it so hard for people to get because of their opinion/mentality? XD Oh it has to be better sports logic, sure......
So making a handheld stable is a challenge and Nintendo/PC handheld makers/phones have been doing it with their hardware very well, sometimes in a bland way but still impressive every so often.
What because there is no other handhelds. But PC handhelds, and people stick to gaming and ignore PC or any other tech even though it can be compared of gimmicks many consoles have had even before Switch (cough dock with PDAs/Pocket PCs even besides PSP/Nomad cabling or docks). Among other things over the years.
The Switch is powerful for what it is, it catches up to what many third parties want of resolution output, of many other things.
The Wii was around when CRTs still were and during LCD/Plasma or HD CRTs were happening. So since when did it matter. People go oh we want new or competitive but does it matter. I want gameplay, not visuals, it catches up in that which is fine for that audience. I don't personally care about 4K/HDR.
@UltimateOtaku91 You summed it up pretty well. It does feel like a squirrel challenging a fish to a tree climbing race.
Switch 2 fans? Bruh, the console isn't out yet. But hey, i've seen weirder sh* from Nintendo fans. So i guess this type of behaviour is normal for them.
@JaxonH Sir, i think you need to take a break from the internet and go outside.
If it’s ballpark around equivalent PS4/PS4 Pro with a few additional bells and whistles in terms of data read speeds, ray tracing etc. then damn that’s incredible for a portable tablet.
I like hearing what Digital Foundry have to say because they know their stuff and I find it interesting. But ultimately the games will be judged on their released versions, plus any additional patches and if a few frame drops in more demanding moments and a lower resolution don’t detract or ruin the overall experience of a good game then it will be just fine and the majority of users will be more than happy with it.
@rjejr Then again Crack in Time did that on PS3 with an HDD with fair areas but still enough skybox changes and same world areas compared to Rift Apart, and Rift Apart had scripted odd areas or back and forth with Blizar as 1 compared to the what 2-3 areas and 2 or 3 times of those variations.
So either way an SSD does help on speeds, access time of assets and all that no doubt more then an HDD. It having tools/tweaks to offer compared to PS4/Xbox One isn't surprising as it's a much later device and with third parties wants in mind or modern TVs but is confusing to people that don't understand that are a vocal audience making pointless claims of course.
Switch 2 has HDR and more that PS4/Xbox One don't. However much the dock does that the handheld doesn't but either way. Still there of features from this era then back then stuff TV providers were offering.
Back to Crack in Time comparison, 1 was aftermath, 1 was during battle, 1 was it finished on your side of the battle to win then the aftermath with them losing first encounter. Same area 3 times, different skybox/arrangement of enemies, or state of setting but same level design.
1 was snowy, other was grassy, I think it was just the 2 not a third but was still 'fixed' version of it in a cutscene.
So to me Rift Apart SSD or whatever marketing isn't that special. It's trying to do what Crack in Time did again but no HDD and it does it well but hardly that ground breaking. It's some improvements, some not for story or gameplay. They vary with their goals. I wasn't impressed as I know they could do more but didn't but I get what they were going for with what they were able to get out with the game.
I've seen Minecraft maps do location jumping with teleporting, it's hardly hard to do on an HDD. The Code puzzle maps or Dimension Jumper. Just have separate areas and move the player between them. But obviously different graphics and different tools offered between the games no doubt.
Bonus levels in games are the same thing. Probably even in Little Big Planet if it wasn't loading new areas but using the teleport doors. Depends how devs want things to be used/where level design is placed in the same space or a different one.
Does an SSD benefit no doubt, but same ideas, attempted again and slightly different.
I'd have preferred dynamic use cases cycling between but it's so scripted I find it kind of pathetic.
Even Spyro 3 had separated areas for minigame areas because they were too big so they just moved them to elsewhere in the same space I think if not just new regions.
Like Rift Apart does it's forced or segmented areas you open of the secret rifts and what it loads/unloads or shows of just that region in camera view.
As camera view is very important of what is shown on screen besides level design.
Spyro also (probably Ratchet as well) has 2 versions for level of detail tricks. People swam up to the less detailed version high up into the sky.
They have been doing this stuff for years just with different improvements.
But they didn't go that far, that and no hub areas like Crack in Time as Rift Apart is more a standard menu access to levels while Crack in Time wasn't.
Definitely not PS5 level. But it’s more like PS4++.
With faster storage and more VRAM than a PS4 you will see better textures and faster loading. Not to mention newer more efficient hardware and new tech like DLSS. I’m fascinated to see what is possible. And it’s a handheld!
Its PS4 Pro or One X levels but can do more because its got better more modern day tech then them. The Switch 2 is far weaker then the PS5 and SX though and the SS is also above it by a fair bit. Basically the Switch 2 is largely what the Switch was to PS4.
@Czar_Khastik PS3 and the 360 both ran COD 4 at 60fps 🤣
Bring on the Switch 2! Remind us what 1st party games are again, show these fools how it's done!
Storm in a teacup mate
I buy Nintendo devices because of Nintendo exclusive games not for 3rd party games.
New console releases always bring out the crazies.
@ButterySmooth30FPS
Well, let's cut a little slack for our weakling brothers who prefer silly children's games.... damnit I just spewed nonsense. I will restart: Let's understand the fine people that love their world class gameplay and innovative hybrid console! Nobody will accept they are buying tech that's ancient. 12 years in electronics with something called Moore's law sets expectations higher.
Besides, the switch 2 can do a lot more than a stationary PS4-clonk can. So, the comparison isn't useful or correct.
They'll be happy about their purchase and good for them.
"Responding to the backlash on forum ResetEra, Digital Foundry’s Alex Battaglia said he’s “genuinely shocked people are somehow upset with the comparison to the PS4”."
I'm not shocked. This is what I expect from any type of fanboys who don't like their consoles to be seen as worse performing than other systems even if that's true
It's a Nintendo console. If you wasnt expecting it to be inferior to the current generation consoles then you're deluded. 3rd party games will always be second rate on a Nintendo console. To most, Nintendo isn't about 3rd party it's about the 1st party kids games.
This should not be drama. You only have to look at it for like four seconds to see what sort of level of power we're dealing with. There's arguments about stuff being under the hood that's better than PS4 etc. etc. etc. but the end result is that when you look at Switch 2 games they're gonna look more like PS4 games than PS5 games.
I'm surprised any Nintendo fans care about this. They've been looking at straight garbage for the best part of a decade. Be happy things are getting better.
@UltimateOtaku91 sorry, their views aren't valid
@Apollo2212 that couldn't be more wrong
@DennisReynolds
From what I'm hearing, it's not PS4 pro levels. It's more like PS4 level. The PS4 is still an awesome machine, so that's not a bad level.
@tinCAT-zero It can do 4K and 120fps so its above PS4.
It is more powerful than a PS4 and PS4 Pro and that is a fact. It is actually closer to the Series S really, not PS5. It is a totally custom design and chip.
People need to stop comparing teraflops and wait for the games.
@DennisReynolds
Yes you have a point. I suppose we'll have to wait until we can actually do proper comparisons.
The people that feel the need to compare seem obsessed. They are different brands and types of systems. Why cant that be ok? This is like in junior high when one kid would try to get two groups to fighting. The playstation 4 and 5 is awesome. The switch 1 and 2 is awesome. I dont feel like they are the same, or serve the same purpose, so why the obsession over comparing the two? Its like comparing a Honda accord to a dodge durango. Does not make sense to me
Nintendo fans really are the most fanatical and deluded ive seen multiple people even say cyberpunk looks better on switch 2 than ps5 pro lol
The problem is simply that the prices that Nintendo is charging is around what the ps5 and series X cost but the performance is likely between the ps4 and series S. And the game prices are above the Xbox and Playstation game prices.
“Switch 2 fans” how can you be a fan of something you’ve never experienced?
Well... i still remember when the PS4 was amazing looking not so long ago. I remember buying it and seeing on the screens a racing game that looked great.
The Switch 2 is not a super powered system. It's between ps4 and ps4 pro. The advantage is that it has Nintendo games and has a portable option.
End of the day, it's not the tech, it's the games and the experience being delivered.
Honestly, my reason to get one atm is to just upgrade the Switch games i got.
It's funny, because as soon as I saw the switch 2 and the games at launch, I thought- hmm, so it's like a portable PS4.
Which surely isn't such a bad thing?
I’ll pass on the Switch 2 to be honest games are all £70, probably will still have fps drops like the Switch did.
Think I’ll stick to my PS5 and also buy a Steamdeck later on the year
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