Mama always said stupid is as stupid does.

Gamers have become horrible people! Incredibly jaded and unhappy people! It’s so hard to interact with fellow gamers nowadays because there’s rarely any room for constructive discussion. Nothing but reductive blather.

Also, the fact that these actions don’t seem to be swaying many gamers will definitely lead to far more destructive behavior from this group.

Behavior on social media has just become disgusting and toxic. It amplifies and incentivizes everyone’s worst qualities.

Everyone, do yourselves a favor and delete Twitter from your phone. You won’t believe how much happier you’ll be after you do.

@wildcat_kickz Twitter promotes this type of thing now. Most of the people on Twitter who were normal have moved on from Twitter.

Sony has been attracting a lot more hate lately since announcing the end of physical games, so obviously the trolls are out in full force and don't want anything positive to come Sony's way.

There's nothing more to it than that.

@UltimateOtaku91 this isn’t new. This nonsense has been going on for years.

Video game commentary has been full of morons willfully distorting both reality and context for some time.

Bot armies of whiney cry babies who probably aren't actually mad, but can only do what they think will give them internet clout among their peers.

There is a simple solution to this problem: get off social media, especially X, which is even more of a troll farm, bad-natured cesspool than it was before Elon bought it. Problem solved. If you really cared about your mental health, you'd stay off social media.

Knuckle dragging basement dwellers mostly doing this, I’m sure.

its just the new thing to moan about

insomniac are just annoyed in that its probably the first time anyone has expressed any dissatisfaction with something insomniac has made

I didnt realize there was already gameplay footage out. Looks good to me!

What exactly is the middle vid about? It’s a stretch where the character is supposed to go straight forward, of course you’ll be holding the stick forward 😅

I just ignore crap like this

The level of dishonesty and nitpicking in those posts is crazy. But Sony only has themselves to blame for all the goodwill they've burnt all gen long. I'd imagine there would still be the usual suspects that complain about the type of game Sony makes. The ones that use terms like movie games and sad dad sims. But to this level is all on Sony, but they don't care apparently lol

I am 100% certain that all the games these trolls love to play, play exactly the same as Wolverine. Games haven't really evolved gameplay wise in the last few decades guys. 🤣

Ah yes Social media, truly the best place to get legitimate takes...

@trev666 more like they're annoyed at the fact that their work is being targeted by knuckle-dragging low level trolls.

Plenty of people have publicly been critical of Insomniac's work, particularly when it comes to the fact that they're making mostly Marvel games.

Everyone is aware of that.

Oh look another social media nontroversy. Who could've seen it coming?

Honestly most of today's social media, whether it's positive or negative, is fake anyway.
I wouldn't put much, if any stock on what "people" say on it, especially on X.

Twitter is almost like a different world to me. Like, how are you naturally this toxic and angry???

Twitter has gone to absolute s%&@ since it became X so there really isn't any surprise there, but I did laugh at the Ben 10 comparison lol.

But for Insomniac, just let the game speak above all the talk when it releases, that's all you can do.

PC only players getting bitter and jealous. Same place most of the GTA VI stuff is coming from - they're the biggest babies on the planet.

Sorry, but the Ben 10 comparison is kind of funny.

As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized crazy people always need an enemy. Considering we’re the most mentally unwell we’ve ever been, this tracks.

So it's the movie the game.
Nothing bad about it, I'm sure Marvel fanbase loves those.

I can only recommend that everyone stay away from social media, especially Twitter. I recently deleted my Twitter account, and it was the best decision I’ve made in a long time.

It surprises me anyway that Sony still allows comments at all and doesn't just disable them.

For Christ sake. Look, there’s nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but I suspect that a lot of these people are doing so for the sake of it.

@Shepherd_Tallon @wildcat_kickz I started using Twitter purely as a news feed years ago now, and I totally agree with both of you.

Actually trying to interact with people on the internet (not including this reply, of course!) has largely become an exercise in futility. No one posts on social media looking to have a nice conversation.

You're either farming for clout with insane takes or total misinformation, trolling, aggressively disagreeing with someone, or just screaming into the void.

Put the phone down, close the laptop, whatever. The difference it can make is staggering — so many people genuinely forget there's a real world around them where hardly any of this matters.

@ShadowRJ Criticism is one thing. But they also attached gameplay videos which.. well.. prove their point.

The game looks great to me - some people just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something.

@ShogunRok I've said this before, but once people started getting paid for tweets/posts that's when all forms of discourse were lost as being negative/toxic is clearly the most lucrative way...

I mean they've been publishing incredibly safe and similar looking games for 10 years, it's quite normal that people are getting tired of them.
I miss the days when Sony put out experimental titles.

Need to be negative to get engagement on all social media. Best staying off it in my opinion.

@clvr While that's fair to say, you can say that about literally every studio, Look at E-day (no this isn't a dig at them) but it plays/looks like a Gears game right? The end of the day studios find a formula that works and stick to it as experimental IPs are a massive gamble.

I think Wolverine looks incredible. I also stand by the opinion that social media is the worst thing that’s happened to humanity. Now that a majority of it has become a right wing cess pool, amplified by the biggest turds on this planet, it has solidified my opinion.

What did these trolls expect from a Marvel game? If you want deep emotional storytelling that is S tier you play Naughty Dog games not Insomniac games.

There are plenty of unique games coming out that aren’t Wolverine. Wolverine is exactly the kind of game it’s meant to be and that’s fine. I’ll be playing both this and mortal shell II

@Leeg Just like in cinema, it it was all arthouse it would be very boring as it would if it was all blockbuster action games. Variety is essential. Sony literally gave us Saros like two months ago.

@wildcat_kickz never use social media apps. The only social media I use is WhatsApp,discord (for ps5 private chat in games as its better) and the comments section here. When Facebook first launched I used it for a while but it became apparent very quickly how toxic it was going to get so I deleted my account and I've never looked back. This behaviour is never going to end and it's only ever going to get worse. I predict hogwarts legacy sequel will go off the charts because of the author etc,etc,etc and I think..no I know the next god of war entry will also suffer abuse from these disturbed individuals.

@Oram77 that's simply not true, you can't say it about any studio.
Look at id, look at Nintendo, look at Square Enix and Capcom.
It's just true that Sony games in the last decade have all been very similar in many ways.

I agree with some other comments on here, social media is just a vile place and I haven't used it for many years. So much happier now.

@ShogunRok It’s such a sad state of affairs because these companies know full well how much damage they’re doing, not only on a macro level in society, but also the micro with people’s mental wellbeing. Twitter, Meta, BlueSky… they all would rather burn the world to make a buck than actually do something productive in the world.

@Northern_munkey Yeah, it’s unfortunately very predictable. People engagement farm using hate to get status online because they likely feel invisible in the real world. But that all just reinforces these horrible instincts, which make that person all the more unapproachable in the real world.

There are SO many miserable losers in this space. Algorithms tend to favor toxic circlejerks over actual discourse, and the average user’s media literacy isn’t that great to begin with…

I used Twitter one time for a college social media class and immediately deleted it after the semester ended. Just made me feel gross, and that was before Leon ruined it!!

The game has always just looked like a button masher to me anyways a very pretty one but I don't see this game having deep varied gameplay in all honesty.
Looks like just slice up all the guys rinse repeat?

@clvr TOTK doesn't play like BOTW? RE9* doesn't play like RE4R? Elden Ring doesn't play like Dark souls 3? Again you can criticise Sony games that's fine but acting like they are the only ones who make similar games is just egregious.

*My GOTY btw

Social media is bad. Expect this one, where we collectively whine and cry about strangers making fun of the game we wanna buy. No truer voice of reason.

This is just some bums on the internet trying to get clicks. Nothing more. Best to just ignore them.

No easier way to throw away any credibility than critiquing things that are just how games are played.

Yeah, you move Wolverine with the left stick in the Wolverine game. What a shocking discovery. 🙄

It looks good to me peoples are bunch of hypocrites word up son

@Oram77 oh wow, 3 cherry picked examples!
Do I really have to list all the wildly different games Nintendo have released in the last 10 years?
Does Pragmata play like RE?
And no, Elden Ring plays absolutely nothing like Dark Souls.

@Optimus Lol 😂🤣 you mustn't of seen much bad in your life to be of that opinion theres literally hundreds of things far worse than social media to humanity

I find these videos great, because they emphasise on the presumably low mechanical and intellectual complexity of this game. People make always fun of the stupidity of Marvel movies; movies you can (and should?) enjoy while drunk.

This game will be the equivalent of popcorn cinema. Very approachable for a huge share of people. And just fine for them.

I prefer The Dark Knight over Avengers, and I‘m not alone.

Agreed it’s bad doesn’t help that your making these guys news worthy

I’ve never been on social media. I do like reading the comments on this site and NintendoLife though. It can get a little rough at times but generally just some good banter back and forth.

A few points:

1, there is a massive difference between "criticism", and someone posting your address on social media or in a direct message, and suggesting they are going to harm your family. The two should not be conflated by industry shills who act as apologists for mediocrity.

Criticism is absolutely fine and I will defend that to the end. As a photographer, when I put stuff out there, I'm putting a piece of me out there, and yes I know that hurts and feels personal if people criticise it. But that's tough luck and one has to get over it.

If you can't take the heat, one should get out of the creative arts kitchen and go join the Mac D kitchen instead, because you are clearly in the wrong line of business.

2, I think this is a useful case/example for the identity political activists who constantly disrupt our online spaces, in that they always invent conspiracy theories relating to identity, to try to explain away why gamers criticise mediocre looking games.

They should note Wolverine as an example that disproves those conspiracy theories. People criticise mediocre looking games....because.....they look mediocre. Nothing more to it than that. Remember that next time the media post a clickbait story about Laufey. Those criticising the game are doing so because it looks like a low effort DLC. There is no difference or hidden motive there, anymore than there is with the criticism of Wolverine.

3, Finally, having lived through the marketing cycles of Watch Dogs and Dragon Age Veilguard to name just two out of dozens of examples, I attach zero credibility and weight to what the first round of previews say. They are proven worthless.

Really easy to avoid. I only use twitter very rarely for some info. Maybe read some comments there once, probably years ago.

Look, honestly it deserves the criticism for that sentinel boss fight. How many times have we had "Giant boss, torso on a ledge and dodge and attack its massive arms"? It's not original, it's boring. It's a Wolverine game, why aren't we climbing up a full Sentinel using the claws etc? (and sure, maybe there is such a fight later in the game or something, but torso on a ledge deserves mocking at this point.)

This is definitely the result of Sony’s betrayal of the gaming community. And it seems like Insomniac's Wolverine will be the sacrificial lamb. Oh well.

If you cherry pick you will find comments like these for EVERYTHING.

Twitter/X is the land where everyone is miserable, they act like a hate mob and right now Sony is a prime target for that mob, eventually they’ll move on to hate something else.

But those puddles tho…
Nothing new here.

https://gamerant.com/spider-man-ps4-puddle-controversy/

Still getting this game. Looks really good.

The game looks very polished, but the gameplay seems incredibly rote and generic from what we've seen. Not surprising, given Marvel's involvement, but still unfortunate.

The Ben 10 comparison is neither toxic or uncalled for, in fact it gave me a good chuckle because its so ***** spot on. Then I got Deja Vu about a big boss and having to dodge its big sweepy hands. It was the last boss of RE9, itself recycled, I mean homaged, from RE3 Remake.

Is there not a Dr Robotnik fight where you have to jump over his robo fists as he hovers around? I wonder if its possible to go even further back and uncover a true archaeological treasure from the C64, did Chuckie Egg have boss battles?

Sammy you need to stay off Twitter its a toxic bot ridden cesspit full of hate.

@clvr “Elden ring plays absolutely nothing like dark souls” is crazy you’re either trolling or intentionally disingenuous

"People have an opinion that I don't like"

Okay, nobody cares. If the game looks extremely mid and plays like a lazy third person action adventure cinematic slopfest like the rest of Sony's first party games then people who have pattern recognition are going to call you out.

The more you people defend these uninspired games the more you're gonna get them, which is exactly what Ubislop did and look what's happening to them.

It is maddening to me that "gamers" would go out their way to wait for a disc-less PS6 instead of PC gaming now just because they don't want to miss out on Sony's indistinguishable exclusives. Absolute tasteless midwittery.

I think all of these gags are trying to present the game as unoriginal and outdated with rote gameplay

As much as i want devs to keeps pushing for originality and unique ideas for their games. But i think a superhero action game starring a mutant with adamantium claws, powerful regenerative healing factor that makes him close to immortal, superhuman senses, and superhuman strength, doesn't need to be original or ground breaking. It just needs to be a very fun and solid game that also makes people wants to learn more about the character and ended up as his fans. That's it.

I mean, the posts highlighted aren't especially toxic, and are simply highlighting how... uninspired the gameplay looks.

It'll likely sell very well and be polished, but I'm personally pretty disappointed that this is what has kept Insomniac occupied for so long.

@Vermines I agree, how dare those filthy disgusting people post gameplay videos?! Unacceptable!

I mean, its not the most exciting gameplay that's been posted but any game shown off where you're just running in a straight line isn't going to look great and I think the response has been a bit over the top

I wonder if it's just a combination of general Marvel and superhero fatigue combined a bit with how fact that game design has been largely stagnant for a very long time now in the AAA space

I don't do social media, far to negative, life's to short. I don't do Twitter, TT, Facebook, X or whatever else is out there. I just do gaming sites and not many of them tbh. I couldn't care less.

It's fashionable to dislike and put down popular things, it's one of the things X (Twitter) does best.
Awful platform.

Imagine devoting your free time to something this shallow. Hell, there are legitimate problems just in the gaming industry alone worth more salt than this.

I to will judge this game based on these 15-30 second clips everyone is cherry picking. And will completely ignore the last Wolverine state of play that showed dodging, counter/parrying/blocking, normal/heavy attacks, specials. These are all obviously done by pressing the same 1 button for all of them. Quite intuitive that actually if you ask me

The fact the writers and commentators here are so bent out of shape over some REALLY light jokes and completely fair criticism of the footage we saw (can't believe no one is commenting on the Sabretooth arm wrestling QTE part, bc holy hell that is beyond lazy and generic), just shows me that gamers are the softest people on the planet. Embarrassing community.

@MasterChiefWiggum yes, only a "knuckle dragging basement dweller" would lightly mock a video game... lol get a grip, you absolute ninny

Whilst I don't think that the gameplay looks particularly revolutionary, this kind of hate is ridiculous.

I kind of wish that Insomniac hadn't responded though.

@Dalamar we need to create new laws that penalize criticism of giant corporations, think of the poor shareholders 😭

@Burnish1619 Would be easier to switch to PC if RAM and storage weren't 500% more expensive and if GPUs didn't cost more than entire consoles.

It must be a modern audience kind of thing because stupid jokes this tame used to be a major part of almost every gaming community I have ever been a part of. Imagine the out cry over Talladega Nights being the only PS3 game.

"Well its quite demonstrably false that the only video game available on the Playstation Three console system is the Will Ferrell staring cinematic production Talladega Nights. Toxic!"

@wildcat_kickz
I will do you one better - I don't have, and have never had a twitter account, or any of the mainstream social media accounts. A couple of sites like this one are enough.

It is my honest opinion that our societies mental health would improve massively if all the mainstream social media sites shut down.

Pretty sure it will be a good game and I’m going to play it - most likely not day1. But honestly I can not argue against that the gameplay that was shown so far looks pretty generous and the Memes, as ugly as they are, aren’t completely untrue to be honest.

How is it honestly news to anyone that social media isn’t a place for actual feedback? Like, his comments just seem like more virtue signaling on his part honestly. People on social media don’t buy products. They aren’t fans of anything other than drama. How are companies still responding what happens there or taking it serious? It feels like a bunch of people who just like to complain about abuse when they could easily remove themselves from it. Take a beat from Sony. They e literally still ignored the discless backlash and it’s kind of died out at this point and no one stopped buying digital games over the small span of time.

I'm there for those hairy arms either way.

@PuppetMaster
Fully agree with you (your comment #71).
I much prefer a 'safe' but well made game, than a bad game with originality.
I'm just not sure how you make a Wolverine game that is original, without including some sort of 'uniqueness' that ends up alienating a large proportion of your userbase.

Following what you have said, Wolverine actually has nearly all the traits that most video game 'heroes' end up with.

@Ralizah Yeah, the examples provided aren’t even close to being toxic, especially not for social media. I dunno what they expect, Spider-Man 2 is universally clowned on therefore their next game will have more scrutiny because of that. It’s a collection of tropes that by now are rather tired. Need to find that one tweet about if Insomniac made a Hulk game where he can detect ‘crime particles’ using his ‘Gamma vision’ 😂

Xboys, pc people and Nintendo people. A sprinkle of Christian maga people and a few russia bots. Don't forget the disk market people of course.
They can't have it so you must hate it.

This is why nobody, especially Sony, takes any of the people having tantrums about physical discs seriously online

Neckbeards gonna neckbeard

These PC and Xbutt gamers mad that they cant play that game.

I mean games that have you just spam the same attack button over and over are tedious. I’m not saying this game is that (I would have no idea) but if that is the way the game plays it’s a genuine problem. Will still get 10/10 from the media regardless

@AhmadSumadi The people that left twitter for blusky I wouldn’t consider as normal. More like left wing loons that can’t handle any form of pushback or debate.

Love all the people saying stay off social media...and I'm just like, what do you think this comment section is.

@EvilBear (#77) they could devote their time reading Lenin 🫶

@Rezium (#98) 💯%

Appalling behavior. This Wolverine game may look like a "safe" kind of game, but better that than be a "bad" original game. Because I can't imagine an "original" Wolverine game could be without the slashing and the violence tbh.

People on social media are largely immature a-holes, especially on X. And it’s annoying sites like this are giving them any clout when they shouldn’t even be given the time of day.

@nessisonett 😂 I could see that.

There's exhaustion over these formulaic game design philosophies, then exhaustion over Marvel stuff that's been pounded into the ground over the last couple of decades. People are gonna respond to that.

Outside of Astro Bot, it feels like Sony's studios have been spinning their wheels in the mud all generation. On top of all the terrible choices they've made these last several years? I'm surprised people aren't being more toxic than they are

I get dogpiling isn't fun for the developers, but that strikes me as more of an algorithm problem. Social media (like PushSquare) monetizes controversy. The handful of examples posted, though, seem pretty tame and reflect a growing dissatisfaction with derivative design and Marvel properties.

I don't use social media. The only thing's I use is Push Square and YouTube that's it. It's obvious people are taking a pop at Wolverine because it's made by Sony, Sony being the "bad gays" at the moment. You also shouldn't believe everything you read on social media. As negativity sells and quite a few of these "Gamer's" are probably aren't even game's.

@Ralizah It’s interesting seeing everyone blaming different groups for this ‘hate’ - the left, the right, Russia(???) when the reality is that anyone engaging with this site is the extreme minority and superhero games are played by the majority therefore they’re exposed to the scrutiny of the average person. Like for someone to make that comparison with a Ben 10 game they first had to have actually played a Ben 10 game. Superhero games are fundamentally similar to sports games, they’re extremely iterative and are compared directly to their predecessors through clips because they reach a massive audience.

@Ralizah tbh, it's not just in the gaming industry. Almost every business do their own "formulaic" philosophies in their products. Many tried to risk it by showing new things but many also failed to stick the landing in the business and met harsh consequences. Look at how saturated it is in the smartphone business.

I just feel like most businesses target the newer generations that prefer to have safe "iterations" more than the "ever changing and unique" that is preferred by older generations. So of course they'd cater to the newer ones because they are more abundant than the older ones.

This is just some pretty innocent poking fun at the game.

If you get angry at that... well, I hear knitting is good for calming down.

@get2SammyB

Thank you for this article and this sentiment! Much needed reminder today. Common sense is the least common of them all these days.

I don't know, you do have to admit that some of this gameplay is derivative of a ton of other video games. I am kind of getting tired of playing the same Sony game over and over. I mean, how long has Wolverine been in development and we get a Sentinel battle that looks like a million other games? There does need to come a point where you say where is the originality any more. Why couldn't they have made that battle where you climb on top of it and make it more 3D and immersive...but nope...same old dodge and attack the hands/arms. Stale....

@Random_play05 To be fair, many of those "failures" are only deemed so because of massive production costs. Needing to clear 5M+ units to break even necessitates safe design. Those costs primarily come from obsessing over graphical fidelity, insisting on huge scopes (open-world or 20h+ playtime) and introducing hours worth of cinematics into an interactive medium.

I'd be happy to see more games sacrifice some of the above if it meant the freedom to try new gameplay ideas.

Insomniac shouldn't take the bait
It's just typical twitter/X, full of absolute scum , let them live their lives out in that slime pit of hate, racism, and the rest. Just ignore it

I mean... All the criticisms on display seem entirely fair to me. Maybe overly dramatic...but fair assessments of the gameplay we've seen that aren't even saying it'll be a bad game.

This isn't stupid culture wars. Or people trolling for no reason. They're kneejerk reactions to what I would describe as uninspiring gameplay showcases.

Like, I know social media is a cesspool of idiocy. But, s*** man, is being critical illegal now?

Sadly toxicity is overly common now and it’s down to a few reasons, toxic behaviours far more visible, contagious and some people generally thrive on the overall reaction. Places like X have given people too much ability to speak nonsense everyone should avoid it seriously for your own mental health. but the issue here is that peoples reactions are being wired to posts to create responses. There’s also this whole validation epidemic but that’s a whole other issue. It’s why we can’t have good things anymore. Please continue thinking for yourselves folks, people are people, sheeps are sheeps.

I find gamers today are so jaded over every little thing. Instead enjoying a game. My 1st console was an Atari 2600. With a stick and a button. Simple but I still had fun. I didn't cry at every little thing.

If it isn't having an impact, then who cares?

Let people joke about the game ifvthey want to.

We are not obligated to make corporations succeed.

I am not on Twitter and would not have even known about this had it not been reported here.

This feels like engagement farming.

Reminds me of puddle gate, loads of dead inside losers complaining about nothing.

To be fair the game don't look that great. I am sure it will receive good scores and sell millions of copies, but the gameplay did nothing to me. Same old dumb scripted sequences, same old hide in tall grass stealth, where dumb AI is waiting for you to stab him. Copied bosses from other games and so on. 80€ for this is insanity. 🤷‍♂️

Defense force for this one is weird. For them any criticism is by trolls. ''Bwaah, Consume this big flawless AAA and shut up''

@Ernimus_Prime Typically, the more one engages in an art form, the more critical they will become. Transformers 2 might seem like a perfectly competent movie...unless you're comparing it to the artistry of Citizen Kane or Seven Samurai. I think that's a perfectly normal way to engage with art.

Hardcore gamers have played a lot of games. Presumably a lot of good games at that. They aren't so easily impressed because they've seen it all, and seen it better. I wouldn't say that's a personal problem of theirs, they're just passionate about games and the quality therein.

Also, I would rather play Adventure and Pong over a lot of modern games.

@Boxmonkey You say that like the right is known for being compassionate and considerate...

it's just cool hating on sony now, so wolverine is a victim of this.
you can post videos of the same time for every game, being nintendo xbox pc or sony game.
people just find easier to hate than enjoy something lately.

It's Twitter, of course the hate is relentless and uplifted by the algorithm, the point of the platform is to be negative. Usually about the dumbest of things: linear game is linear, the R&C dev made some old-school boss battles SHOCKER, or that Jean doesn't have 1 of the 2 face shapes they like on women. That's not to say the game looks perfect or is free of criticism just from the previews and trailers, but Twitter is not the place to go to for thoughtful discussion.

@Leinad7 I would argue most games look safe and boring if you just look at the controller inputs and cherry pick sequences?

You should see how boring something like Civilization looks in that light. "Click. Click. Click. Enter. Click. Click."

Quit social media some time ago now and my life is better for it. Its just a bubble of miserable b*stards being miserable about anything and everything.

@AdamNovice Outside of weird anti-SJWs, I feel like all the criticism I've seen of the sequel is measured and thoughtful.

I don't really see people saying it's bad, mostly that it's VERY debatable if it can be called a better game than it's predecessor. For more reasons than just the story...which seems pretty universally considered worse.

I don’t think this in response to recent Sony criticism. I think these people do have a point - the gameplay on this is pretty dated. Yeah I’m excited cos Wolverine, but this looks basic.

I think if you like this type of game Wolverine then it will be great, probably linear and plenty of action.

If you don’t then that’s fine and don’t buy it.

About 3 years ago and further back I would have got this day one, for me my gaming tastes have changed and I’m not interested in this or GOWL, it’s all to familiar and cut and paste for me nowadays and beat up things.

But that’s fine I chill don’t buy and hope those that want it really enjoy it.

Most of the posts are mainly trolling but they do have a point: Sony's cinematic blockbuster formula is growing stale.

Like all that's failing this generations you can probably find the fault at management. I wouldn't be surprised if Hulst came out as an xbox mole that infiltrated Sony to sabotage the PS. It's been THAT BAD.

PS. the last Insomniac game I was genuinely excited about was Sunset Overdrive

Another point Sony have to think about the older gamers like me that can afford PS5 Pro and more importantly PS6 have been about so long we want something different to play and not the old Sony formula that we grew up with, it gets old and tiresome.

The younger generation probably have to really think about spending £600 plus on a console. Let alone PS6 prices.

The Internet can exaggerate most times but tbh from the first time gameplay was shown, I found it generic. Looks like just another GoW which I don't think it's even going to top.

@arsmolinarc
Sony's cinematic blockbuster formula is growing stale.
Totally agree and they best do something that’s different else the old gamers that can probably afford it, won’t be tapping into PS6.

Unless the minimum wage suddenly increase in the UK.

@guacguacboo For £70 and however many years in development you absolutely should be dissecting everything, you owe it to yourself to be as critical as possible. If this was the past and another game from Insomniac was due out next year and it was going to cost £40 at most then yeah fill your boots but these things are too big, too bloated and too archaic to just freely accept as a piece of disposable entertainment. Not to talk of the readily available, cheaper alternatives. If all you want is a quick blast of Wolverine I suggest grabbing a copy of Raven Software's X-Men Origins : Wolverine for the Xbox 360/PS3.

Hilarious. It's social media, people, come on. As if you could take anything on social media seriously. It's just a fake, illusionary, low-value garbage bin.

@Mr-Cage That is true, Cameron Poe. However, all the atrocities and mistakes humanity has made should have been learned from, and instead, driven by the current social media climate, history is repeating itself. Science shouldn’t be scoffed at, climate change shouldn’t be waived off as a hoax, and facism shouldn’t be on the rise again. Yet here we are, thanks to people like Donald Trump and Elon Musk, and their followers who lack any form of critical thinking.

Thanks for giving me some new accounts to block.

That first one follows Asha Sharma and several other xbox accounts.

Hmmmm.......

@8th_Observer Yeah believe me I can appreciate how insane ram prices are, nevermind the rest of the components.
At least there's always the option to buy a cheaper PC for now and upgrade it later when you've saved some money together.
A low-end PC would probably still be cheaper than a PS6.

@AI-Generation Guy with a Project Helix picture calling Sony's formula stale.

Yeah........totally not a bad faith xbox shill comment

Grifters farming outrage content, as usual.

Shouldn't be too surprised considering they're still making videos about Ghost of Yotei nearly 2 years later.

@arsmolinarc You were really more excited for Insomniac's biggest flop over Spider-Man?

Many years ago I met this guy who said something that has stuck with me. The gist of it was that he said "as a gamer" that he's made a conscious choice to disconnect from the real world, and that being alone and cut off from human interaction is something that should be recognized as an identity. I'm not going to try to write a PhD dissertation about it, but that's kind of it, that's when I realized that "I am a gamer" goes beyond "gaming is my hobby" all the way "this is who I am and I'll defend it like a psycho if you talk ***** about Sonic the Hedgehog"

@SteveBTW
Had every PS console since day one and probably spent more money with them you would care to think about.
I can give an honest opinion and definitely entitled to.

The world instantly becomes a much nicer place if you stop paying attention to social media. It has truly poisoned the minds of so many people, but fortunately the antidote is so simple: stop engaging with it completely.

I was expecting way worse based on the headline. This is really soft criticism.

Might not seem fair but it's also not particularly vicious and touches upon at least somewhat legitimate and longstanding concerns with Insomniac/Sony games (walking sim portions where you hold forward, mash a button to win, etc).

To be honest Wolvie doesn't look worth $70 to me and I say that as an Insomniac fan. I'm not surprised it's getting less than universal adoration.

@Dorkthrone Well, there's layers to it. I identify as a hardcore gamer because I'm very knowledgeable about games and have spent countless hours of my life playing and discussing games.

With that said, these days I'm getting at most 10 hours of gaming in a week (often...0) and haven't considered playing games a particularly important priority that supercedes going out and socializing since High School.

There are of course fervent gamers. But there's fervent everything. Plenty of people would rather build and collect LEGOs than go out with friends. And Star Wars fans might take criticisms of the series as personally as Sonic lovers. The sort of anti-socialism you're describing is, I think, entirely removed from games themselves. It is an identity per se; that person was just using games to enable it.

I'm not gonna lie but that boss battle does look so unoriginal and out dated and the whole look at this gameplay and its just running forward.

I'll enjoy the game and take it for what its worth, but I'm with some of this negativity, games in general are becoming a little stale and unoriginal.

Come on aren't we passed giant enemy bosses while we the player are on a platform half way up, can we not come up with something different and clever

@SteveBTW That would be Fuse.

Fuse still makes me angry but if I was actually being serious I would imagine one of the VR games they produced for Oculus would be the biggest flop.

Oh boo hoo. Part of being in culture and producing art for culture and consumer consumption is you’ll have hate snd love coming at you.

Just make a good product and let it speak for itself. At the end of the day, if Wolverine is quality then the consumers will show up.

@Bez87 The way I see it is that the Sentinel is an iconic X-Men enemy, having it in some way shape or form would have been a priority when setting out the game. Then you have to make a decision about how you are going to approach that fight, do you waste a load of time and money creating a climbing, mantling system like Shadow of the Colossus? For potentially one single fight, new animation and rigging for Logan, claw climbing, having to explain why the Sentinel is not just grabbing Wolverine off with its hands etc etc.

Or do you just copy one of the oldest boss battle set ups known to man and save those funds and dev cycles for something else? We have not yet been shown what that something else might actually be.

Well not surprising to me, tbh. It’s the world we are living in nowadays. Degenerate people. I missed so much those old good times. 1990 kids.

Sorry but this game looked like what it's being mocked for before I saw any of these videos. It looks like a basic, antiquated experience trying to get sales from graphics and its license. A game that wouldn't have been great in the 2000s but would've at least seemed less out of place.

A lot of Sony games are smoke and mirrors to disguise that what you're actually doing is so basic, so simplistic, both in terms of input and thought process, but they look nice and have a cinematic appeal.

First tweet is in Portuguese, not Spanish.

Im looking forward to wolverine. I enjoy linear experiences. But it's all just echo chambers. From those twitters to this comment section, echo chambers.

@AI-Generation im an older gamer and I really enjoy Sonys single player format games. In fact, I look forward to any game in that style more than anything else, regardless of the company its from. Just because you dont like them, dont pop us all in that bucket.

I would like to think that social media behavior is a microcosm of how bad people are, but lately, I’m seeing it more and more in the real world. Ethics, morality, and kindness are becoming an increasingly rare commodity in today’s society. Anyone with a brain and critical thinking skills can easily identify the human race has declined drastically.

I actually kind of thought this stuff when I saw one of the gameplay trailers or whatever. It will probably be a good game, just not original. I felt the same way about Spider-Man 2, including my feelings about the storytelling and writing. Mechanically solid, by the book games

The Ben 10 comparison is funny.

@Weebleman
Sorry chap, should not have used older gamers and just put me.
Enjoy those games.

@RoomWithaMoose Great response, appreciate it. I was definitely speaking in broad strokes so thanks for putting some much needed nuance on it.

@AI-Generation All good my friend.

Love your article but I strongly disagree. I mostly speak for myself, but from what I’ve seen, a lot of people agree with me on this point, even IRL.

The problem isn’t really with Sony. It’s with the “pretend to play” philosophy that’s crept into a lot of games. Scripted events are fine, but giving the player a whole section where they just walk forward while big colors and loud voices happen around them feels like a cheat. It’s like refusing to acknowledge the player as a competent participant who can figure things out on their own, and that’s happened a lot in PS5 titles.

I loved God of War Ragnarök, i consider it a perfect sequel to the game that made me a gamer, but the game’s insistence on having your companions constantly give you hints was exactly that. In Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man talks so much even Deadpool couldn’t keep up. They give you a sensor that tells you which direction the piece of metal will move, yet he’ll still tell you to look for a different angle before you’ve even had time to turn the camera.

I don’t hate Sony or Insomniac. But that level of hand-holding has become tiring.

Another example, not from Sony: Wuthering Waves, a game by the Chinese publisher Kuro Games. It was praised for its combat and gameplay, but when I played it, my heart sank at how bad it actually was. There’s an invisible timer before bosses die, your character can never fall below 1 HP, and the level design is basically “walk, walk, walk, watch something happen.” Even during QTEs with a visible timer, the character just does the move for you. Flight and bike challenges lock you out of control entirely, nothing more than watching. And don’t let me start on what the game calls “puzzles. It was so bad I can easily consider it an insult, even another player for the game once described its level design as “friendly for 6 years old who were born with no limps”.

Compare that to a game like Baldur’s Gate 3, which lets you play your own way, punishes you for it sometimes, but never actually stops you. Or the director of The Blood of Dawnwalker, who recently talked about refusing to add safety nets for players when asked about the freedom to kill critical characters, a statement a lot of people, myself included, took very positively, even crimson desert that was criticised for many reasons, was praised for how it does not hold your hand and let you figure things out.

Video games are, at the end of the day, an interactive medium. As a player, I have the right to have my own dance with it, regardless of how good I am, it is my right to fail, to try again, to lose and to win.

One last thing on the giant boss: it’s not bad, but people are tired of it, especially since we rarely see anyone try to put a real twist on it.

Like I said, I don’t hate Sony or Insomniac, and I wish the people working there the best. But the video game landscape really needs to move past the “pretend to play” era we’re in right now.

@Optimus I couldn't agree more my friend.
Just look at the fires everywhere over Europe this summer the climate is in serious trouble no doubt!
But there is to many scumbags making money of fossil fuels making deals like trump no doubt pushing us to this!
They don't care because they can make there money off it screw everyone else!

@clvr Elden Ring uses the exact same core combat engine, stamina management, melee weapon movesets, magic systems, and checkpoint mechanics as all DS games. Not sure what was that different for you other than a mount, and dedicated jump button. Felt 100% DS to me.

For everyone's mental health, I recommend ditching social media. You don't need it.

I feel like some of it has to do with Sony's decision to drop physical games and while I hate that decision, it's also not the fault of any first party studios (and Santa Monica went out of its way to let people know its next game is on disc so I would argue not all studios are 100% on board with the bosses, but that's another topic). There's also some people, myself included, who didn't like Spider-Man 2 at all, and has me very much on the fence about Wolverine. Going after devs doesn't change anything, though. People just need to wait, see how the game ends up and then vote with their wallet after being able to make a more informed decision.

@Mr-Cage There are worse things than social media. The problem is that they're all on social media themselves.

From the linked videos, I think you're problem is that it's coming from Twitter (oh sorry, 'X' ) A platform run by the world's biggest loser to make terrible people feel a little less lonely.

They love any excuse to try and bully something, like weird hate vampires.

@LogicStrikesAgain No game has ever done that before. Even the original Mario. There was no time when you were just running forward, duh.

@Mr-Cage The odd thing about it is there is so much money to be made in switching to a more healthy homeostasis with the natural environment also. It's crazy how people who claim to be pro capitalism then say climate change is just a money grab. Dude, everything is about money. So why not do the thing that is right? If you can die from running your car in your garage, then if you somehow don't belive 99% of scientist who say climate change is real, you have to realize the air quality is suffering. I stay off of social media. Especially Twitter.

From what I've seen, I have no interest in this game, but my response is just to think 'not for me' and move on.

i'm concerned that some people have only now discovered that you have to hold up to move forward in a 3d game.

@AhmadSumadi Exactly just like how people will continue to buy digital and this whole “disc controversy” will amount to nothing as well. I plan on enjoying Wolverine downloaded directly to my PS5

@AhmadSumadi it’s not just twitter. Reddit is a cesspool as well

@AI-Generation

I don't know if I consider myself an 'older' gamer, but I have personally owned every numbered PlayStation console, and both Pro machines, except the slims (because I already had the launch models), and PS3 -
Made a mistake that gen and opted for Xbox with their 360 (not a mistake I will make again).
In fact my first 'games' machine was a Speccy+2.

I do fit the second part of your description (which I do think is relevant to your point) in that I could very easily buy a PS6 tomorrow.

I'm with @Weebleman , in that I really like Sony's 'Cinematic Blockbuster' games. GOWR is my 1st equal favourite game this generation (along with Hogwarts Legacy), and SM2 is number 3. My top 15 contains 8 Sony games.
I would more than likely (ie unless they went in a different direction) be excited for SM 10 if that were launching next month!

I can't take you serious when you mislabel portuguese as spanish.

@Rich33
Well perhaps a bit younger than me 🤣
Yeah I’m not sure with PS or XBOX next generation depending on costs and going on current costs, who they think is going to pick these up in massive numbers, of course PS6 will do a lot better than Helix.

But even then if PS6 is at around £800 and with cross generation games being even more than this generation, probably forever, apart from us well off older gamers that love the hobby who is going to picking these next generation devices up, in massive millions of numbers.

@Rich33
Don’t get me wrong I was crazy about GOW and uncharted and last of us and Horizon and Spider-Man.
Enjoyed GOY but never finished it.
Just think my tastes have changed as I’ve been around so long.
Can’t drum up the super gamer excitement for Wolverine or GOWL as like I said about 3 years ago and further back I would have been soooooo excited for them.
It’s my issue not Sonys.

I have a Pro and love it’s visual perfection on my Bravia 9 65” , it’s pure eye candy.

Terminally-online PlayStation gamers once again proving themselves the bottom of the barrel. Disgusting.

The whole manufactured “scandal” over physical games just proved that these people do not engage in good faith and will never be happy about anything.

Gaming social media is more toxic than ever. Commentary from entitled noncreative clowns.

@mvhess It’s a 17 second clip dude. Lot’s of games have a section where you just have to walk forward for a bit

I’m not the biggest fan of social media but Jesus guys get a damn grip.

None of these posts are toxic whatsoever, they’re simple jokey posts highlighting how the game isn’t breaking any new ground and is a little on rails.

Doesn’t mean the game is gonna suck, and certainly doesn’t mean devs should avoid social media due to these bloody posts, they’re cheap dunk attempts and nothing more, if you really believe in the quality of your product you won’t let a few lighthearted jokes bring down your entire team’s morale.

Twitter can be as much of an echo chamber as to the game being “bad” like how this very site has often been an echo chamber for how every Insomniac release is “perfect”.

Either laugh at the posts like they’re made for or ignore them and look forward to the game, no need to cry about it, but I guess you got the traction with me clicking on this and commenting so well done chaps!

Wolverine is going to be great and it is going to sell very well. It is crazy people are expecting any originality out of sony's first party studios at this point. You will take your cinematic story game with basic gameplay and you will like it.

A post with 40k likes? Compared to the several million who are going to buy, play, and enjoy the game?

@AI-Generation
Yeah, PS6 will be a strange one compared to previous gens.

I think it will sell better than a lot of people here think - oh, I'm not saying PS5 numbers of course.
I think it will sell well enough at launch (where you get those with more disposable income purchasing), then have a lull, before slowly picking up as time goes by.

The thing is, I'm not sure sales matters, as much as its very existence, due to how Sony's business works.

Those without the disposable income to buy a PS6, won't be buying a Helix or a PC as they will be (much) more expensive.
Some will wait to see if the price comes down over time.
All of those people will stay on their PS5's enjoying the longest cross gen ever seen.

1 pitfall I can see though is that I see it not being long before the PS5 ends up as a 30fps machine (if Sony don't lay the law down to devs). Though that might help persuade some people to upgrade, it damages the PS5's continued viability in my opinion, as 60fps has been the norm for so long.

Just like I have personally seen with PS5 Pro (which I agree is a VERY underrated console), I think PS6 will have the ability to lure PC players to PlayStation - I'm thinking those who are being priced out of the PC market, or those fed up with compatibility / driver / software issues etc.

Those PS5 / Pro users who want to & can upgrade, whether at launch or later, need the PS6 to be available though - otherwise they may start to look elsewhere, which is the very last thing Sony wants.

This all hinges on the PS6 being highly capable, but having seen PSSR2 and heard a few things about PS6, I am now more sure this will be the case.

As long as the PS6 is there for people to upgrade to, to prevent them going elsewhere, sales of it aren't the most important thing - Sony need people in their ecosystem - it doesn't matter too much if this is on PS6, or on PS5.

Sorry for insomniac having to go through Sony's mess.
I see four factors at play

1. Sony not communicating with the community
2. Current USA mentality having to make everything a political controversy
3. Tech companies and bad political players profiting of that us Vs them mentality propagated more through algorithms and ai
4. Gamers mostly being suckers to all of the above

@LogicStrikesAgain
I might be wrong but I think they may be being sarcastic.
This site really needs a sarcasm colour - I have seen blue text used for this purpose on an unrelated site I have used in the past.

Social media, bad for mental health? Hwwwwhaaaaaat????

From what I can see it's the same old same old sony cinematic game with a reskin and it's very handholding

Ima be real people here demonizing twitter like all the other social media's aren't toxic as well bluesky threads Instagram and Facebook have less users so it'll have less criticism trolls and bots if people start moving towards the other social media's those negative things will start increasing

Got bored of Sony's cinematic third person games, a long time ago.
Used to love them during the PS3 and PS4 gen, but the first Spider-Man game, and Tsushima, was probably the last ones, that I truly enjoyed.

I didn’t even know this was a thing till this article. Feels like we’re scrapping the barrel a bit if we need to go through every language posting to find negative sentiment. Ah clicks…..engagement, got it.

@Rich33

I much prefer a 'safe' but well made game, than a bad game with originality.
I'm just not sure how you make a Wolverine game that is original, without including some sort of 'uniqueness' that ends up alienating a large proportion of your userbase.

Yeah i feel the same. So far no one can explain what kind of originality / uniqueness that they expect from a Wolverine game without breaking the character traits. And originality just for the sake of originality sounds not right for me. If it doesn't fit / out of place with the established character and setting then there's no need to push for originality.

I think people should direct their demands for originality / uniqueness when comes to a brand new IP. With brand new IP, devs usually can show more their creative and new ideas without being tied or limited to established works.

Social Media was a mistake. No, but seriously, I understand to a degree why companies use things like twitter. I just am always incredibly beside myself when I see how easy it is for these incels and dipsh*ts to just speak with such snide, disdain, or outright vitriol toward people they don't know, for no good reason. Like I would never ever speak to someone this way, for the mere crime of making a video game or what have you, an accomplishment in itself that is worthy of respect.

Constructive criticism is dead. Instead of politely saying what didn't work for them, or what they think could be better, these idiots just shout toxic things, or worse, "woke" or death threats. It's so awful.

Regarding social media and “…the wild way this algorithm amplifies and forces negativity upon you…”

Absolutely, 100%. I’ve been saying this for years. The social media algorithmic manipulation of the populace is a travesty. The way it creates massive misrepresentation, promotes misinformation, and exploits and distorts reality is problematic and I don’t know why we as a society continue to feed the beast.

Sad to see what gaming is now

Btw i feel the heavy irony every time i see people said they're bored with Sony 3rd person action games that looks cinematic and unoriginal.

When i look at Sony unique-non cinematic single player games such as Tearaway, Gravity Rush, Puppeteer, Patapon, Tokyo Jungle, or Concrete Genie, all of them doesn't sold well despite they got good reviews.

On the other hand, i've seen PS fans keeps asking Sony to revives old IP such as Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, or Infamous which not just has strong cinematic flare but they also looks unoriginal.

So, at this point, i think it's too late for people to ask unique / non-cinematic single player games from Sony studios. You guys have better chances if Gravity Rush, Tearaway, Puppeteer, Patapon, Tokyo Jungle, or Concrete Genie became a commercial success. But with all of them ended as a flop, Sony have no reasons to invest enough money to pump out some experimental games that will likely no ones gonna buy...

@PuppetMaster Thats easy enough you make a character action game with actual combos and fighting game inputs OR you channel a combination of Metal Gear Rising and Sekiro. If you wanted to there would be potential to list specific famous parts of Wolverine's various comic exploits to make into a game, Old Man Logan with the Hulk gang would be amazing, or go full Samurai.

Old Man Logan specifically lets you play about with the expected aspects of the character that everyone knows like the healing factor and even reliance on claws. Hell make a Marvel Zombies Musou! Imagine if they took direct inspiration from Snikt! and we got a bizarre cyberpunk exploration game with long lengths of introspective lonely wandering.

Nah we'll make a cinematic third person action game with simplified combat, a skill tree to unlock and littered with words like gritty and grounded. At one point you will take part in a vehicle chase and leap between cars by pressing square.

While I understand not being interested in originality for the sake of originality this was the most safe, expected and outright boring direction they could have gone in.

@PuppetMaster So no one is allowed to ask for better games because the majority are happy with the ***** they consume? What kind of insane thinking is that? I sure hope you carry that across every other media you may have an interest in like movies, music and literature.

Popularity is not and has never been an indication of quality, selling less does not mean a game is worse. Simply saying make a good game and people will buy is hilariously short sighted. So many more influences run parallel to one another to make up if a game is successful or not.

Its just a miserable, defeatist mind set to think that because the vast majority of the playing audience interact with games as disposable fleeting pieces of entertainment those that do not should just settle down and shut up. No ***** way.

Dollar Store Wolverine. Sure it will sell well but just looks generic.

@PuppetMaster 1: We're not game developers, it's not our job to be creative.

2: Metroidvania-lite that takes place after Wolv's adamantium infusion where he breaks out. Stealth is a central mechanic, since he's very weak after the operation. Using his enhanced senses, there's basically a 'hunt' mechanic you have to use often for stealth, navigation, and gaining the upper hand with several bigger fish. Most of the bosses are other mutants in the program, with Sabertooth, in particular, being the big bad that's hunting you the entire game. Ends with a huge team-up/battle to the death with Sabertooth as they tear through the facility destroying everything in their path. Players will have to use their knowledge of said facility during this battle, as it flips the 'search action' formula on its head by asking for that same competence during a massive, hectic fight.

3: Too tired to think of another idea... I dunno...maybe give him little wiggly arms for dynamic cutting action. Uhh, the announcement trailer for Metal Gear Rising — do that.

4: Persona with Wolverine?

EDIT: I got two more ideas!

5: Third-person Wolverine shooter where you play through all those wars he was in.

6: Open-world Wolverine... BUT DINOSAURS. Either time travel or Savage Lands (is that Marvel or DC?)

Surface level: big teardown on PS right now as fallout to the physical thing.
My theory: Someone is trying to devalue the company, make it fail, then buy it, way too much money has gone into bot comment from one day old accounts everywhere talking about physical.

@Rich33
The Pro is definitely underrated in one way but sometimes I feel overrated by super enthusiasts.
I think as always it’s really Sony Studios that do and will make it perform best as with the standard PS5.
With most third party games it’s like having a gloss coat of paint instead of a matt coat.
Some third parties perform better than others.
AC shadows compared to series x is a lot nicer and less blurry and a bit more sharp.
AC BF Resynced I don’t see much difference.
Both at 60 fps performance mode.

Pro is definitely the top console and if sometimes only by a little you get better third party games and even Xbox studios games better on Pro.
The frightening thing is how much it now costs to get that smallish bit of better performance.
If we wish to go even higher performance in console world in the current climate, who knows what the price will be.

But I don’t think we need to, I think Pro could be that console and next gen could bugger off until November 2030.

Unfortunately both Sony and Microsoft want to jump and not be left behind and as we know they want to sell us something to make more money.

Also cross generation will last ages and spoil it a bit for us if the next generation really is a true generation leap even with performance scalers.

@Rich33 I say good luck with that. Playstation's "monumental" announcement pretty much made me not look forward to getting a PS6. Even if it's halfway through the PS6 generation, unless it's very reasonably priced by then, I'd still won't consider one just yet either.

If my PS5 breaks, I'd just hunt for another PS5 or even the Pro model even if there's a PS6 already out there. Especially when most of my library are games on disc, my only digital games are F2P. Lol

Garbage in, digital ownership out.

@LemanRusk

Thats easy enough you make a character action game with actual combos and fighting game inputs OR you channel a combination of Metal Gear Rising and Sekiro

Copying what already done by other games is not original or even in the category ground breaking. And from the last gameplay trailer, Wolverine has parry mechanic although we don't know how it works.

If you wanted to there would be potential to list specific famous parts of Wolverine's various comic exploits to make into a game, Old Man Logan with the Hulk gang would be amazing, or go full Samurai.

Adapting comic arc is also not original. And this isn't 616 Wolverine. It has it's own universe.

Nah we'll make a cinematic third person action game with simplified combat, a skill tree to unlock and littered with words like gritty and grounded. At one point you will take part in a vehicle chase and leap between cars by pressing square.

We don't know much about the combat and the trailer didn't show any skill tree, how the parry works, etc. And the chasing scene looks nice and i bet there will be variations so i don't see what's the problem. Metal Gear Rising also has multiple scripted cinematic scenes with some QTE and no one complaints about it. But now Wolverine has it and somehow it's bad? Lol.

@LemanRusk

So no one is allowed to ask for better games because the majority are happy with the ***** they consume?

Who said no one is allowed to ask for better games? The problem here is people do it wrong.

Popularity is not and has never been an indication of quality, selling less does not mean a game is worse.

Popularity doesn't always means the product isn't good either and these days missing target sales for AAA games means bad news for devs.

Simply saying make a good game and people will buy is hilariously short sighted

A safe but good game have more chances to sell than a bad game. It's just as simple as that. Would you spend your money for a bad game like Code Violet over solid, fun, but safe / unoriginal games like RE Requiem, Ghost of Yotei, or Wolverine? I bet you would take the later.

Gotta buzz off the double standards. Nobody seemed to care when people were taking the p**s out of games like Gollum or MindsEye on social media.

Super hero slop + uninteresting gameplay, that's why

Originality does not mean unique. It does not cease when one other example already exists, it's also not binary and instead sits on a scale.

@RoomWithaMoose 1. Then better let developers do what they want to do. You can give suggestions but don't dictate what creative route developers must or musn't take as if you know better than them. If you don't like their games then don't buy it.
2. Copying other games = not original
3. Same, not original
4. "Persona Wolverine"...you're joking right? 🤣
5. Wolverine sometimes used guns but a game where he just used guns from start to finish? I don't think that will work considering one big attraction for Wolverine is his adamantium claws and him slashing and dicing his enemies.
6. You mean adapting the comic arc where Wolverine stranded in Savage Land? It could work and fun but it doesn't sound original or ground breaking. Maybe Insomniac can do that for the sequel.

@clvr lol. Nintendo, really?

@LemanRusk
I think I get what @PuppetMaster is saying.
It is the audience as a whole that have effectively 'trained' Sony not to take chances (and for that matter, also trained them that a new entry in a currently established series will sell in huge numbers).

I also think that Sony has to a degree, curated, over many years, an audience who want to see cinematic narrative driven games - something Sony is particularly good at.

If you want the more unique or original games, then people have to buy them in large numbers.

People expect a certain Polish from Sony (which they are again very good at), but this costs development time and money. Anything less, and people will complain / lose trust.
Sony 1st party are the ONLY games I will Pre order these days without a demo or reviews - which must include some form of technical / framerate review. This is because I trust the quality will be high (though I may add Capcom as their work has been very good recently).

Now, I'm not saying that Sony don't play it a bit too safe sometimes - they certainly do, and Astrobot has been a reasonable example of this.
But, as with all things in life, there are times that people need to vote with their wallets, not their mouths.

@Random_play05
You talk about Sony's " "Monumental" announcement ".
Is it though? Really?

It is just Sony acting following the downwards trend of Physical over many years, and the rising popularity of digital. More importantly, they see that (in the most part) even diehard physical buyers will accept digital now - they can see whether people are using physical or digital, and how many have made / will make exceptions for games like the digital only GTA6.

From a nostalgia point of view, it is a bit sad, and I still have some mixed feelings. I do think that maybe Sony have jumped a bit early, and their communications have been woeful. But there will be a sustainability point associated with the cost of printing discs that may already have been reached too.

However, gaming media is already starting to move on from the physical / digital debate and in the real world (ie outside of Social media, which I don't use) most people don't seem to really care that much.

PS6's announcement will be 'Monumental', but in the grand scheme of things, discs will fade like cartridges before them, and cassette tapes / floppy discs before that.
As it pertains to PS6's success, I think the physical vs digital debate will make very little real world difference - price / capability will be far more important.
I will also add that we do NOT know that there won't be an optional plug on disc drive for PS6, for peoples back catalogues.

super mario has the same basic bosses every game and i see nobody bitching about it, just praise cause you can use an elephant costume.
mario kart world has tracks that are straight lines.

@AI-Generation
Could we wait until 2030 for the next gen - maybe. Though this would need to ignore the spending / planning Sony have made on PS6 so far, as it would need further upgrading for a 2030 launch; plus I think dev kits are already out there now.

Importantly too, component prices may be even higher in 2030.

As I say though, I think the important part is the option of PS6. This next gen will be more PS5/PS6, than just PS6 - the key thing is that some will want to upgrade earlier than others.
Sony's business model doesn't care much whether people upgrade early or later, but it does care if people look elsewhere because they want to upgrade and Sony are holding back the PS6.

@Rich33 with how they pretty much made optional the disc drive on the Pro model plus a handheld PS6 on the horizon AND their reputation right now, I'm in doubt whether there will be indeed at least an add-on accessory disc drive next generation. With how things are going, I feel like Playstation is on the course of telling it's playerbase to just keep their PS5s for those who have a collection of physical copies of PS4/5 games.
While yes it's a plus if the PS6 will indeed have an add-on drive, but the fact that my Playstation physical games collection won't grow more on 2028 is enough to not justify a PS6 purchase at launch.
I know I'll eventually buy one in the future but with very limited spending as I'm not in a habit of spending huge sums for intangible contents, even if it's a game I'm looking forward to.

@Rich33 Yep you nailed it 🤝

If only back then people voted with their wallets for Gravity Rush, Puppeteer, Tearaway etc. Heck, if only Gravity Rush 2 ended as a big commercial success close to Uncharted, GoW, or TloU numbers, i think not just Sony will listen to people demands of making more original / unique / experimental / non-cinematic games but Japan Studio could still exist.

But like i said, people skipped that moment and now there's no turning back for Sony. At this point it is too late for people to cry at Sony who focus on AAA cinematic games as well live-service games.

If people wants original / unique non-cinematic games, it's better for them to expect that output from indies or 3rd party studios.

@Rich33 I think you might be right 😅

I think the outrage to peoples opinion of this game is comical!
If people don't say nice things about it they are trolling???
Maybe the game just isn't going to be that good and kinda generic.
I never once looked at this game as if it's going to be a classic or loved by the masses.
Looks like a run of the mill hack and slash superhero game from the PS3 era but obviously extremely pretty looking and tbh that's fine aswell.
But getting offended that people who actually are playing the game for themselves aren't really that impressed by it and calling it trolling is just a bit sad in my opinion!

@Random_play05
I think there is a decent chance for a PS6 optional disc drive (as per PS5 Pro), but I am only guessing (1 part of this is a pure rumour that Sony may not easily be able to manage a system of transferring physical to digital licences as they may not have unique identifiers on the discs).

I am going to quote myself here, as what I have said to another user this morning seems very appropriate:
This next gen will be more PS5/PS6, than just PS6 - the key thing is that some will want to upgrade earlier than others.
Sony's business model doesn't care much whether people upgrade early or later, but it does care if people look elsewhere because they want to upgrade and Sony are holding back the PS6.

@PuppetMaster
Yeah, and in the case of Wolverine, I don't think the vast majority are expecting a unique or original title - just a well made, enjoyable game. It's not like we haven't seen huge numbers of more linear fighting games over the years!

Hmm. I personally don’t like most AAA games because of exactly the things pointed out here. So I’m actually glad the mainstream is finally starting to become aware of this as well, instead of treating well-made mediocrity as the holy grail.

@Rich33
Totally agree it will earlier than 2030.
And like you said because of prices it will PS6 more like alongside PS5 and Pro.
Running cross generation for many years.

I just hope they really take advantage of the PS6 so it’s worth the extra above the Pro I have, that is the only doubt I have due to cross generation gaming.

I think it will be a very strange generation and a lot less people overall upgrading, yes us on here probably, but the mass general public and casuals will be a lot lower sales wise.

@yazzika
"So I’m actually glad the mainstream is finally starting to become aware of this as well, instead of treating well-made mediocrity as the holy grail."

I don't think a few complaints on twitter really represents the mainstream - quite the opposite in fact. I think this game may well appeal to the mainstream player, much like Spiderman does.

Will it sell as well as Spiderman - absolutely not in my opinion, but I suspect its sales (and profit) will completely eclipse the type of game you appear to want.

Thats not to say what you want is wrong, just that in terms of single player games, uniqueness and originality often come at the cost of being very niche.

@Rich33 yeah using the word "mainstream" was probably a bit too much you are right. But apparently enough going on that the devs gonna think about it.

The game is going to sell very well regardless of whatever little fake internet controversy. I think the people who buy this have a pretty good idea by now what to expect, and I have faith in Insomniac that they know how to deliver to expectations.

@JLSlone I played SM1, Morales and 2. These games basically play like this. Pressing 1-2 buttons. What’s more.. the section where you just hold one button for long, cinematics.. their games at some parts play themselves without player being even active.

And QTEs..

$70 for an almost auto-play game, for 14 hours and non open world.. seems pretty expensive.

Why are game studios now a daycare center where they constantly cry and scream? Do your job, get paid, go home, what happened to that? Then you get the sell out access media goons doing damage control on top of that. Ridiculous. Go touch grass.

@Leinad7

I played SM1, Morales and 2. These games basically play like this. Pressing 1-2 buttons.

Saying these games basically play like this is a massive undersell. These games definitely took more than just a few buttons to control and master.

Just the traversel alone, you could webswing, vary your swing, you could crawl on buildings, wall run, leap large distances and even fly/glide having to use more than just the analog sticks but also the R and L triggers, and you even have to coordinate your release timing of the R2 trigger while doing it all! The traversal alone requires more input and timing than most games, which only use the analog sticks to make character or horse move forward.

Combat uses much more of the controller. Basically all the buttons can be used, and the more you progress you really have to use them to succeed, instead of relying on button mashing the attack button.

The latter part of the game actually got pretty tough having to use all the special abilities and gadgets, so you constantly had to switch between webswinging (R2+analog sticks), using gadgets (R1), switching special abilities/attacks (D-pad), dodging (O), jumping (X), pulling enemies and leaping (triangle) and attacking (square). You also have to constantly time your movements and attacks rather than just stand there mashing square

@Leinad7 i played zelda botw and you can say the same thing thing for that game, the combat is one button mashing.
maybe people should stop playing on easy.

@lazymike Yeah, the difference is: look at older Zelda’s, look at new ones. Competent reworked gameplay mechanics and graphics.

Now look at SM1, Morales, and 2.
It’s the same game, sold three times.
Soon to release 4th time with different character skins.

you are acting like every zelda before botw isn't the same formula repeated with a different coat of paint.
my favourite zelda is windfish, the only different one were 2 and majora from what i played. and i played most of them, not all.

everyone just loves dogpiling on sony, but nintendo has just been doing the same things, how many mario bosses are just as bad as shown with sentinel fight? mario kart are all pretty much the same but you never see previews telling you, it feel the same as the last.
why all of a sudden this is bad?

to me, i had more fun with the spiderman games than botw.

@Leinad7 Now look at Breath of the Wild on Wii U and Tears of the Kingdom on Switch. Same gameplay, mechanics and graphics.

I haven’t been interested enough in this game to even complain online about it. Wolverine doesn’t appeal to me as a character. I just wish Insomniac would make another Ratchet and Clank game.

@Leinad7 I've played and finished Zelda OoT, Minish Cap, and A Link Between Worlds and they has the same basic combat formula: just press or mash 1 button to attack. For the note, i really enjoyed these Zelda games.

I've also played Super Metroid, Metroid 2, Metroid Zero Mission, and Metroid Fusion and all also has the same basic formula: press or mash 1 button to shoot and hold the same button for charge shot.

Or what about Contra? You only need to press 2 buttons for the whole game: 1 for shoot and the other for jump.

The question is does basic action like pressing 1 button to attack over and over is bad? Definitely not.

Simplicity brings fun and also emergent / deep gameplay can born from basic / simple rules. Just look at Tetris. You only need to press 1 button to change the block and move it around. But the game is still fun and relevant for decades with people experiences endless strategies.

So, if it ain't broken then don't fix it. Sony did it, Nintendo did it, Capcom did it, Square did it, and pretty much all developers did it.

@lazymike Yeah. Nintendo has repeat the same stuff for decades. Their philosophy is to make games with simple gameplay where even kids can easily learn and play. But somehow that guy acting like it's bad for Sony but not for Nintendo.

@PuppetMaster I'm certain most Nintendo games cost less then 100 million to make. Wolverine cost over 300 million. I don't think it is constructive to berate people on social media. But I also think we should demand more from a game that costs this much.

@PuppetMaster that's my point exactly, pokemon games are even worse, pretty much the same game copy pasted for more than 30 years, and the new ones are braindead easy, but god forbid if spiderman 2 is like spiderman 1.

maybe people want a wolverine game to play and feel as wolverine, why is it bad now and it's fine for every othher game? and i am not even a wolverine fan. but it's pretty obvious that the game is on easy and the sentinel is a tutorial boss.

fromsoftware soul games feels all the same to me, i like the exploration but the gameplay is copy pasted.

@Contimaloris Zelda BotW cost more than $120 million to recoup the game budget and that's not include marketing budget. But i really doubt Wolverine cost 300 million. It's not an open world game or even cast Hollywood A-lister.

And what's exactly your "demand" for an action superhero game with Wolverine? Do you want them to replace cinematic over the top set-pieces with 100 hours side quest where Wolverine must deliver pizza or hunt certain type of enemies to justify the budget?

@lazymike Oh man, i forgot about Pokemon games. Every year Nintendo fans keeps complaining it's the same game but they keeps buying it lol.

I would be demanding more since they are releasing it during such a busy time. They should have released it in early August honestly. Now I have to pick between many bangers in September and Wolverine is definitely near the bottom of that list. Blood of Dawnwalker and Control 2 being at the top. Wolverine is an easy wait till its half price next year kind of game.

Sony only understands money and I see a fare few people are ridiculing its games and the company. Maybe if studios start putting pressure on Sony they may rethink it's position on cancelling physical media. Without Games PlayStation is nothing, the more financial pressure people put on them the better.

The best time to quit twitter was years ago. The next best time to quit twitter is today.

Seriously, my dude, get the ***** off twitter. Your presence there only helps to legitimize it’s existence at this point, even though it went from a cesspool to cessblackhole after melon mush bought it.

Hot take perhaps but uh…this is Twitter. It’s a garbage place filled with garbage people. The sooner Musky’s toy falls to the wayside the better. I’m not horny for this game but I’m sure it’s going to fill the role it’s intended to really well and sell and be well received. It’s just a high quality action/narrative game for simple good fun. You could reduce any video game to this. I will say, one thing potentially souring people is the en vogue thing right now is hating on Sony because physical and I get that. This is misplaced though and sort of forest for the trees’ing it if you aim your ire toward the actual people making that thing you’re claiming to have such devoted and nostalgic sentimental feelings about in the first place. First party relationship or not.

This got under Insomniacs skin? Y’all are way too over sensitive, Jesus Christ.

@Jireland92 my thoughts exactly.

@LemanRusk your right it is. But you said it.

A X men enemy not really a wolverine enemy so many more stories to tell which doesnt involve those.

And they have an X men game coming out. So they do a sentinel battle with wolverine an unoriginal 1 and then probably involved within an X men game.

I'm going to enjoy Wolverine. I love him as a character. But I still think some of the criticism is justified.

We dont need more of the same.

Unfortunately, this is what humans have become, unpleased with their own lives they look to bash anything that remotely appears like it is sucessful, or is going to be sucessful. It isn't a good mental state to be in, but that is where we are.
Take a walk out of your mom's basement and touch some grass.

I'm more concerned about the character design, which looks VERY uninspired than I am about gameplay.

Gameplay will be solid, but man, both Logan and Sabertooth have the faces of fat drunken cats, Jean is looking ugly af and Mystique is looking like a discount Na'vi.

@ApostateMage I mean there is a fundamental difference in that those games were released, at full price with serious structural flaws and broken in parts but were still shipped. Wolverine isn’t even out yet, this people deliberately attempting to frame the gameplay and game in a negative light for engagement. If anything Mind Eye had mostly benefit of the doubt till it was shipped.

Negativity breeds negativity. It's too bad your bosses started it. 🤷‍♂️

People just now figuring out this is how social media works.

@LogicStrikesAgain I thought it was clear I was being sarcastic. Maybe it wasn't. I have a lot of faith in Insomniac. I liked Spiderman 2 a lot. I think they but off a bit more than they could chew and tan out of time, but that happens.

@BaronLaw

it feels like box-ticking took priority over making a faithful adaptation

FYI this game is not adapting Earth-616 Wolverine but it's in the same Earth-1048 Spiderman. So there will be plenty of unfaithful story / lore than Earth-616 Wolverine.

@mvhess Yeah, my bad, lol. I was already pointed out earlier by another user that you were probably being sarcastic, and after reading your comment again, i told him that i think he might be right 😅

@get2SammyB Portuguese not Spanish...

People prefer negativity to being happy. I'll play and enjoy Wolverine. Insomniac have pretty much become Sony's flagship studio at this point. I'm sorry that the devs have to deal with this.

They never self-reflect to consider maybe their own BlackRock sponored toxicity is what destroyed their product.

I haven't really been on Twitter/X since 2020, and I feel my mental health has improved significantly not having to see whiny B**ches on the daily.

@Nem, what did Hookshot start? lol

@ApostateMage They were objectively awful games on a technical level, though. Wolverine, while not to everyone's taste, will at least be technically very sound and performant. It would be disingenuous to compare an Insomniac game to something from 2 studios that have had either closure or mass layoffs.

@MasterChiefWiggum Ahh yes. Nothing promotes constructive conversation quite like calling the people you disagree with “basement dwelling knuckle draggers” before the conversation even begins…

on one hand it's pretty clear that criticism is way overblown by bad actors (muh DEI, woke etc. idiots).
But on the other hand, I'm also quite underwhelmed by this game. Unfortunately it looks quite phoned in fare without interesting mechanics or aspects.

Easy solution, delete your twitter account. If you still wanna be on social media after that, swap to bsky, follow people you think are normal & cool and just stick to ”Following” feed to avoid mental damage.

@skyshot with mass layoffs across the industry. One bad game can be your last. Not that I'm saying Insomniac would be closed. But if it fails & staff are let go. Having a bad game as your last isn't gonna get you a job.

Welcome to the Internet. Where people talk *****.

@CielloArc Jean is ugly? In your opinion? You what

The same is happening with Gears of War E Day. I think it's just gamers getting fed up of rising costs of gaming. Leading to AAA games all feeling bland, being safe bets & smaller in scope. Plus the anti consumer policies that both Sony/Microsoft are pushing. Won't have helped.

Sony did warn that big cinematic games cost a small fortune. Live Service, PC & mobile were to offset the costs. They failed. So I'd expect people are worried that Wolverine uninspiring gameplay is the future of Insomniac. Which if true is down to Sony.

@LogicStrikesAgain No worries. People get all amped up over nothing. Remember the puddles of Spider-Man? Turned out to be nothing.

@mvhess Exactly!

As a matter of fact, @get2sammyb, there are many video previews online already where they go pretty in depth in to the combat mechanics, describing how the attacks work and introducing new systems like the ‘Rage meter’. Why dont you guys post anything about this? Or are you not allowed yet? (Genuine question)

It seems a bit more productive than just highlighting negative twitter videos, and letting people wrongly assume the combat or traversel is just going to be a one button mash fest

its really Unprecedented it happens every month! people online will find a game they want to fail and spam hate for it

@Fallon
Brother, she's looking like a discount Jesse Faden from Control.

@SteveBTW you give 2 games as example.

Now look at SM1, Morales, SM2, soon Wolverine.
Then look at GOW, Ragnarok, Horizons..

Is there anything that’s not third person action adventure cinematic experience game with QTEs..?

Why are people still using X? Seems that nobody has a backbone anymore or worse, they are okay with Elon's shenanigans....

@Leinad7 Is there anything from Nintendo other than Zelda than isn't a third person puzzle platformer for children?

@CashMadness Hardly any of the "criticism" surrounding this game is genuine. It's just nonsense from grifters as usual.