An Assassin's Creed game set in Japan. For generations, this was the dream — but when Ghost of Tsushima released in 2020, it felt like the desire dissipated. Sony and Sucker Punch had beaten Ubisoft to the, er, punch, and so, in a weird roundabout way, Assassin's Creed Shadows almost feels like it's late to its own party.
As much as you may want to avoid them, comparisons between Shadows and Ghost of Tsushima (and maybe even Rise of the Ronin) are inevitable. There's no denying that Shadows takes inspiration from the adventures of Jin Sakai; this is a much more contemplative Assassin's Creed title that's eager to appreciate the quieter moments of open world exploration. Just like Ghost, it embraces the meditative aspects of its Japanese setting.

But don't get us wrong, this is still very much an (open world RPG) Assassin's Creed game, complete with copious map markers and a seemingly endless supply of story quests, side quests, contract killings, collectibles, and fall-breaking haystacks.
There are aspects of Shadows that set it apart from its predecessors, however. Primarily, the storytelling is a real cut above the likes of Assassin's Creed Valhalla. The cinematic quality of main story cutscenes — and even the standard dialogue scenes — is dramatically improved, which helps elevate the overall plot and its characters.
A word of caution, though: the English dub ain't good. Some characters are fine — protagonists Naoe and Yasuke, for example — but secondary members of the cast and quest-giving NPCs can sound incredibly wooden and stunted. It's a shame, but as is the case with many a samurai movie, Shadows is best enjoyed in Japanese with subtitles.
As alluded, Shadows follows in the footsteps of Assassin's Creed Syndicate, opting for two lead characters who share the spotlight throughout. Things kick off with Yasuke, an African man who was brought over to Japan by Portuguese missionaries, before being taken into the service of all-important warlord Nobunaga Oda.

Yasuke is a first for Assassin's Creed — a playable protagonist who was actually a real person. Historical records of the man himself are very few and far between, which has always made Yasuke an intriguing prospect in terms of fiction. He's been the subject of numerous works over the years, inspiring manga and anime classics like Afro Samurai, while also being depicted directly in games like Samurai Warriors 5.
In Shadows, Ubisoft positions Yasuke as a kind of redemptive hero. Having helped Nobunaga crush his enemies as a loyal samurai, Yasuke is forced to confront a young woman — the second protagonist, Naoe — and reconsider his place in what is, ultimately, a completely alien country where he'll always be seen as an outsider.
Naoe, meanwhile, is driven by revenge. In typical Assassin's Creed style, she seeks to deliver judgement to those who would trample the innocent — and in feudal 16th century Japan, that means waging a secret war against the lords of the land. Luckily, she hails from a clan of shinobi — spies and assassins — which gives her a necessary affinity for sharp instruments.

As the game goes on, Naoe and Yasuke develop a surprisingly great chemistry. Yasuke's reflective but optimistic personality plays off Naoe's underlying anger perfectly, to the point where we wish there were more scenes between just the two of them.
Together, the leads form a league of justice-seeking individuals, built to track down the ringleaders of a powerful cult. Naturally, the hunt takes you across a huge map that covers a good chunk of mainland Japan, split into regions that each have their own storylines.
Structurally, it's very similar to Assassin's Creed Valhalla; you even have a central base of operations that can be upgraded and customised with resources found out in the field. The map itself is a frankly stunning recreation of Japan; it's not quite as vast as Valhalla's England, and it certainly isn't on the same scale as Assassin's Creed Odyssey's Greece, but it's dense and brilliantly realised.

Interestingly, the open world design is more... curated than what you'll find in those previous titles. Much of Japan is mountainous, and so Shadows is basically made up of roads and pathways that lead to and connect with larger locations, like towns, cities, and castles.
As such, exploration can take some getting used to. While there are still plenty of opportunities to wander off on a whim, you'll be met with steep cliffs and impassable forest if you try to beeline towards objective markers. And in that sense, the map actually reminds us of Skyrim, where distant locations are used as landmarks, and the roads purposefully funnel you towards them in a picturesque manner.
Shadows' version of Japan isn't as stylised or as immediately striking as Ghost's beautifully melancholy island of Tsushima, but in a move that we think sets a new standard for open worlds, it incorporates a dynamic season system.
The game cycles through the four seasons as you play, with each season lasting a small number of in-game days. Obviously that's not realistic, but the changing weather and environmental details make the open world feel vibrant and alive, while also giving the impression that your journeys are taking place over months and years.
Locations can have totally different vibes depending on the climate. The capital of Kyoto, for instance, looks joyous covered in the spring's cherry blossom, but its tightly packed streets and imposing castles become ominous when the winter snow hits.
It's a bit of a missed opportunity, then, that the seasons have little to no impact on gameplay. Darker nights make stealth easier, and we think that heavy rain and snowstorms limit the enemy's vision, but those factors aren't necessarily governed by the current season.
Still, the system brings an extra layer of immersion to the experience — and it just makes revisiting areas that much more interesting.

And you will be revisiting areas. At the game's core is the monstrous Objectives Board, which houses information on assassination targets across the entire map, and as you progress through the main story, discovering new regions as you go, the Board just gets bigger and bigger.
The thing is, some of these targets will simply be beyond your capabilities until later on. Just like in Assassin's Creed Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla, both your foes and the regions that they reside in have levels, denoting their strength. If your own level isn't within the same ballpark, you've got next to no chance of survival.
We get that these level restrictions are in place so that the vast open world doesn't overwhelm, but deciding to take out a series of targets, only to then realise that their boss is basically invulnerable because you're too low level, sucks the fun out of the process.

Having said that, there is satisfaction to be found in returning to a once insurmountable opponent and finally taking them down. Working your way through the Objectives Board bit by bit is rewarding, despite it becoming so cluttered later in the game.
And that brings us neatly to the combat system, which feels like an evolution of Valhalla's parry-heavy formula.
At first, fights in Shadows are very reactive; you wait to see what your opponent does and act accordingly, either dodging red unblockable attacks or parrying everything else. Time either action correctly, and you're handed a generous window to strike back. It's a pretty straightforward blueprint, but it's afforded depth through a decent number of enemy types and subsequent attack patterns to master.
However, as you work your way up skill trees and unlock advanced abilities, our two heroes can significantly up their aggression, often resulting in swift and deadly encounters. It all fees slick and punchy, as gruesome finisher animations play out and dynamic blood splatters cover the arena — it's great fun.

Stretched across an experience that can last upwards of 80 hours, though? That's when the combat can lose its edge. There comes a point where you know the enemy's attack patterns off by heart, and you're just going through the motions. There's not quite enough mechanical depth to support the entire campaign.
Thankfully, combat isn't the sole focus of Shadows' action, as the title serves up the best stealth-based gameplay in any of the modern games — Assassin's Creed Mirage included.
Where Yasuke is an absolute beast in melee — and ranged — combat, boasting bone-breaking heavy strikes and wielding devastating weaponry, Naoe is the queen of stealth. Her rapid movement and parkour speed, suite of shinobi tools, and hidden blade make her the ideal choice when you want to remain undetected.
Just to be clear, Yasuke can do stealth, and Naoe can do combat (she's actually lethal with the right abilities unlocked), but they're supposed to stick to what they know best. Indeed, you can switch between the two at any time outside of enemy territory, and spend as much or as little time with them in the open world as you like.

Some quests do force you into the shoes of one or the other — and main quests tend to have you jumping between them for narrative reasons — but by and large, you're free to tackle objectives as you see fit.
The stark contrast in playstyle works, too. Throughout our playthrough, we found ourselves switching it up with much more regularity than we had anticipated. If we'd spent an age carefully combing through a castle, making sure to stay stealthy with Naoe, hopping over to Yasuke for a quick bloodbath or two was the ideal remedy for any gameplay fatigue.
Moving on, Shadows is rather impressive in terms of technical performance. We reckon its 60 frames-per-second performance mode is the way to go on both PS5 and PS5 Pro, and although there are slight dips here and there, it's clear that the game's well optimised and relatively bug free — which is great to see after Valhalla's comparatively wonky launch.

And finally, we need to give a shoutout to the game's impressive soundtrack. Shadows' music goes above and beyond expectations, parading a shockingly broad range of styles. It's got distinctly Japanese soundscapes, electronic-infused battle themes, full-on Japanese punk rock bangers, and even some hype-inducing African vocal melodies that weave into the setting's traditional instrumentation.
Conclusion
While Assassin's Creed Shadows is unlikely to win over those who struggled to push through Odyssey or Valhalla, this is still one of the strongest overall entries in the series — and arguably the best of the open world RPG bunch. The storytelling is largely fantastic, the main characters are deeply likeable, and the open world itself is a thing of beauty.
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If anyone's got any questions about the game or the review, let me know and I'll try to answer them.
I spent around 80 hours playing Shadows and really enjoyed it overall. It's up there with my favourite Assassin's Creed games, although I've always liked the open world RPG entries — and I'm obviously a massive weeb, so the feudal Japan setting is right up my street.
And this shouldn't really need saying, but can we please try to be respectful of one another in the comments. We don't want to be removing posts for the rest of the week — it's a waste of everyone's time (including yours!).
Thanks!
Let’s go! Excellent review and can’t wait to pick this bad boy up Thursday!! Is there really no ‘Modern Day’ gameplay?
Get in! Can't wait to play it.
@ShogunRok didn't read the review wanted to go in totally blind , how's the pro upgrades ? Is the ray tracing half baked or is it a quality presentation, and without going into detail does it have any standout side quests or just the usual get this and that or kill him or her , thankyou.
Solid review and now I can't wait to start this on Friday. This weekend is looking packed for me with Atelier Yumia and XCX which are also getting good reviews.
@WolfyTn Nope, the modern day stuff is almost exclusively kept inside the new Animus system.
As you play through the game, you unlock memories and records of events that you can watch / read in the Animus menu. There's also a kind of overarching Animus storyline, but it's very much kept in the background — there are no modern day characters or anything.
The biggest plus for me is seemingly an interesting story, which me a fan back in the beginning of the whole franchise. Looking forward to Thursday.
Edit: hope to see some throwbacks to Ezio or Shao Jun
@lazarus11 So I played on PS5 Pro and the game looks great — I believe all three modes (resolution, performance, and balanced) use ray tracing, with resolution going for the full suite of visual effects.
That's the one where ray tracing really stands out — the lighting is immaculate. It's definitely not as noticeable in performance mode, but it still makes a difference compared to the standard PS5 version, from what I can tell.
Side quests typically involve hunting down targets, although there are a few ally-related side quests that are more in-depth and interesting.
I wouldn't say any of the quests are on the same level as say... The Witcher 3, but those ally ones I mentioned are pretty good.
This should be interesting… I’m expecting an 8/10 average for this game. Though, for this one I think minds are already made up either way.
Edit: Didn't need to post a new comment just to say this. But why's an 8/10 a bad score now? Seems so many are calling this a bad score? Not to mention New York Times gave it a 6.5/10 and the ones who generally despise NY Times are running with that as the word of God. Crazy!
@ShogunRok sounds great thankyou
Sounds great. Only thing that struck me as a negative was the 'upwards of 80 hours' playtime. But that's a preference more than anything.
I'll be late to this one, though. Choosing between Shadows and XenoX, I ended up going with the latter (speaking of excessive amounts of playtime...). But I'm still excited to eventually get my hands on this.
@RoomWithaMoose Yeah Ubisoft said this was a smaller game than past open world RPG entries in the series, and while that might technically be true, it certainly doesn't feel much shorter.
You could easily play Shadows for over 100 hours if you take your time and try to do absolutely everything. It's still a massive game.
Good review. Story sounds better than I usually expect from these games, so may check it out down the line.
The 'Open World RPG' aka abundance of map markers, collectables, towers etc is what loses me with the modern AC games. While they've always been a feature of the AC games, early on it was a handful of things to do on the side, leaving the main story as the focus, but now the expectation is that you'll spend hours upon hours doing busy work that has no bearing on the actual story. This is why I haven't completed an AC game since Black Flag.
Valhalla's super stilted cutscenes and dialog were huge turnoffs for me, so I'm really happy they've put the work into that. Was basically just waiting on reviews to make sure it wasn't a broken mess. Just pre-ordered!
I'll definitely be getting this at some stage, just not this week. Maybe get a crack at it during the Easter holidays!
8/10! Thats great score! Glad Shadows is doing great amongs game journalists!
Ill probably wait few months when its free on ps plus.
I haven't touched an AC game since Origins, but the setting and dynamic weather alone are getting me to want to get this. I love love love Ghost of Tsushima so I'm really tempted to get this.
DAY ONE! Got my steelbook edition otw from TGC as we speak, an 8/10 is more than good enough for me, as this was always gonna be my comfort food game to keep me going till DS2!
Can’t wait to play on the Pro!
@ShogunRok Can you disable the stylized black and white kill cam? In Valhalla, you could disable something similar, so wondering if they've followed suit.
@wildcat_kickz That's a good question — I don't think you can (and this is one of those games that seems to have an option for everything). I'll double check when I get a chance.
@ShogunRok Thanks for the review! I will read it once I’ve finished it myself. Just one question though: is Shadows a good jumping in point for someone who hasn’t played AC before? Any prior knowledge of story required?
Just reading the digital foundry review. Seems they really nailed the visuals and performance. 40fps seems to be the way to go if it's available to you (they don't cover the pro yet).
Good review though, always appreciated.
@ShogunRok thanks for a timely and well-argued review, and hope you have not been left burnt out!
Are there any difficulty settings?
How is combat with multiple opponents? From what I saw in trailers, only 1-2 were actively attacking, and the rest slowly circling around…
Here before it gets messy.
The seasonal mechanic sounds pretty great. Something I'd like to see other open world games try.
Very excited to jump into it this weekend!
@Orpheus79V Totally agree. Would be awesome if you could dictate how long the seasons last through a slider in the Options menu, too.
@ShogunRok I’m likely in the minority, but I like hearing that.
Love some Creed
Looking forward to playing when its half off in a couple of months.
An 8/10 from Robert Ramsay is a seal of quality!
I didn't know I wanted to play before reading this. I really like how there's essentially two main protagonists with such distinct play styles.
This might be my next Assassin's Creed that I actually dive into. I didn't like any of the games coming out for a looong time, having only tried them a little bit on various subscription services.
The seasons thing is totally my kind of mechanic. Sucker for weather in games, which has generally regressed the last couple gens, with a few exceptions. Honestly the whole thing sounds like a great package and it’s even retailing for less than the Sony games so you’re getting a hell of a lot of game for your money.
80 hours... eeeeeehhhhh...
I enjoyed playing Mirage last year, but I had platinumed that after around half of this estimate. 80 hours seems far too big.
I really regret this larger RPG version of AC, and that some of my most anticipated settings for AC games (Ancient Greece, Vikings, and now Feudal Japan) have been wasted (from my perspective) on this format of game.
Downloaded digital deluxe edition can't wait 🔥
@12AngryCats Shadows is a fine place to jump in, I think. The older AC games had a modern day storyline that continued between titles, but that side of the series has been gradually phased out, to the point where any modern day stuff barely exists in Shadows.
And the feudal Japan storyline is completely standalone, so yeah, I think you could start here and not have any problems.
I'll start the PC preload tonight! I'm excited to give this a shot since I've missed most of the recent entries.
N.i.c.e. a 8 is a amazing score. So it's all good. Word up son
@ShogunRok what would you say is the best part of the gameplay itself? Has anything much changed in those terms?
I'm someone who really enjoyed Origins as it was a new direction, loved Odyssey for the most part (easy to ignore the silly sh** and repetitive nature as its fairly rewarding comfort gaming) and really liked Valhalla and thought Mirage was pretty decent too, but at the end of the day, the gameplay is probably starting to become a bit stale and I'm hoping for something a bit more.
Great to hear they improved the writing/story in this one, however! I always suspected this would be a great tale to tell when it was announced with the characters and setting. I'm not sure it will be quite as good as I hope, but I'll be picking it up anyway based on track record of enjoying the previous experiences on the whole, and sometimes we need a bit of familiarity, even if we do want it to push itself further.
Would you say the story moved you at all, or was it simply just a better overall arc?
@Vovander Yep, there are four difficulty settings, which are basically super easy, easy, normal, and hard.
Normal is actually quite tricky to begin with because you don't have many options for fighting back effectively. But the difficulty curve evens out as you unlock more abilities and better equipment.
Hard makes it so enemies are noticeably more aggressive and can attack in groups — but even then, most enemies tend to wait there turn. It's just how the combat is balanced, I suppose.
@ShogunRok How would you Rank this against Rise of the Ronin and Ghost of Tsushima
This sounds really fun. It will be a while before I get to it-not only is my backlog shamefully huge, but Ghost, the upcoming Ghost, and Rise of the Ronin have satisfied my desire for this kind of game in this setting very recently. But get to it eventually I shall!
I also want to say how thankful I am for the great reviews here and on Pure Xbox too. They are always well written, and always helpful. The work is appreciated-thanks!
@ShogunRok Do you think/feel the game is enough to save Ubisoft from their current financial situation?
@Ravix I think the easy answer for gameplay improvements is the stealth. This is the first open world RPG instalment that actually lets you go full stealth and it's really effective. And the game does this without sacrificing what made the combat systems in previous games fun. You get the best of both, basically.
I think if you're kind of burned out on the previous games, Shadows may not do enough to restore your enthusiasm — at least in terms of gameplay. Although like the review says, the fact you can swap between stealth and combat makes the whole gameplay loop much less repetitive. The dual protagonists approach works really well in that sense.
Story-wise, I think there are actually a handful of emotional moments. I thought parts of Yasuke's story were genuinely heartfelt, and Naoe has some great scenes as well.
And that's the crux, really — the characters in Shadows are generally just much better than what's come before. I'm not saying the secondary cast are Mass Effect level or anything, but they're all likeable and feel like they have a place in the story / world.
@ShogunRok understood, thanks for a detailed explanation! Yes, I thought too about this as a way of balancing - a big negative for me then(
Honest question: is this 8/10 the same type of 8/10 as Dragon Age Veilguard?
@Tsushima Personally, I think Ghost of Tsushima is still the better game overall, but there are some aspects of open world design and systems that Shadows does better.
And I haven't finished Ronin, but I prefer Shadows based purely on the strength of its open world. Ronin's got better combat because that's clearly the focus, but for me, that game falls apart in terms of structure.
8/10 seems to be what everyone is saying. I really wish AC moves away from the RPG elements, was never a big fan of it even in Origins. I'll probably wait for discount before getting it (we all know Ubisoft games go on sale fairly quickly).
Not played an AC since origins and even then didn’t finish it so I’m ready to jump back in with a feudal Japanese setting. Glad it turned out ok!
@Zuljaras Now that's a tough one!
Honestly, it's so hard to say. I think the marketing push behind Shadows has been (and will be) huge, and that'll sell a lot of copies by itself. It also feels like the release date is in a good spot.
For what it's worth, Ubisoft 100% made the right decision to delay Shadows not once, but twice. It's a very polished game and that'll help its cause.
I think it'll be a hit for Ubisoft. Whether that's enough to turn their financials around... I wouldn't like to say!
@puddinggirl Ehhhh, kind of. For me, they're both 8s but for different reasons (and I'd probably say Veilguard just hits an 8, whereas Shadows is almost the definition of an 8 — maybe we should start using decimals!).
Removed - unconstructive
The global illumination tech makes the world look stunning. I usually struggle to tell the difference tbh, but this looks like a clear quality mode game.
@Pyronation_87 See. This is the type of bias confirming nonsense that drives the foolish narrative surrounding this game! "Read somewhere..." Where?! Because that's not the case at all!
Also, to your previous comment stating "Now everyone is saying this game is good? Ubisofts legal team must be hard at work." What a shock! People actually waited to hear from those who've played the game to say whether or not it's good? Clutch the pearls! You've been going along with those who say it's bad without actually playing it. Now, those who've played it say it's good, and you say they must be paid. So ridiculous!
@Cornpop76
We'll know that once user reviews are out.
@Weebleman
Shame DF didn’t include a PS5 Pro overview as well. Guess it will appear soon ish.
Preordered it, and my PS5 downloaded it last night. Let’s goooooo!
Removed - trolling/baiting
Thanks for the review. It seems like it’s a solid Assassin’s Creed game.
However, I am going to respect the Japanese and get their verdict on this before I consider buying.
People can defend Ubisoft all they like, but really the developers have been extremely lazy with respecting Japanese culture with this game; ripping off sacred artefacts and googling stuff rather than consulting Japanese experts, the previews were full of mistranslated stuff, wrong cultural practices (like writing sideways on a scroll) and inserting Chinese stylings into Japanese culture.
If they have fixed that stuff, then good. If not, then they won’t get my money. Sorry.
@OldGamer999 They did it seperate for another recent release but I can't remember what it was. From the glimpses in that article it seems that pro includes Ray traced shadows and reflections while the standard ps5 and x do not.
@Pyronation_87 Why are you straw-manning @AhmadSumadi's argument? He's not talking about other Ubisoft games, he's talking about this one. And Ubisoft isn't preparing to sue anyone who doesn't like the game, they're preparing for legal action against people who threaten their staff! Huge difference.
Nice review, game looks good, i am a little disappointed that you reviewed on the pro and not for the masses, although i fully apprieciate that you wanted the best experience for yourself.
I don't blame you for that.
Will add this one to my list.
I’m so glad this one is reviewed well. Ubisoft games get lots of criticism but this setting (opposed to Valhalla) immediately spoke to me. Guess I’ll wait a few months for the inevitable price drop though.
Guess I’ll get it in 3month when it’s 50% off
@PsBoxSwitchOwner @Darude84
Dunno where you guys live, but Newegg is already selling it with $10 off discount if you use a code.
@Pyronation_87 Why'd you put quotations around "straw-manning" when that's exactly what you're doing? And doubling down nonetheless.
I'll wait for user reviews on this one.
@Pyronation_87 Bro, that's the classic "I'm just asking questions" response. He asked where you got your info on Ubisoft suing people who don't like their games and you responded by making him defend other Ubisoft titles. That's classic straw-manning. By the way, you still haven't said what source you pulled that claim from. Not only that, I told you what was actually happening and, again, without any evidence, just put forth a wild claim. There is a very clear distinction between criticism and harassment. Ubisoft will not tolerate the latter, and neither should anyone else.
Quick edit: here is my source for the task force: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2025/03/ubisoft-will-reportedly-fight-for-assassins-creed-shadows-anti-harassment-plan-in-place
I've seen a few YouTube videos where they try to spin this as an attack on critics, but that's really not what's going on. This is a very clear defense on unhinged internet trolls who think that verbally abusing, threatening, doxing, and harassing in other forms is a valid way to show disapproval of a commercial product. If you don't like the game, don't buy it, say why you don't like it, and recommend to others that they don't buy it. What you DON'T do is threaten the people who make the game. Pretty easy distinction.
@Weebleman Monster Hunter Wilds.
Definitely playing it in Japanese.
@TheKurgan that's the one. Appreciated chief.
Sounds like a 10 for me personally.
Great score, got my pre order of this. The newer assassins creed games are perfect for me. I get full value of my money playing these games. Also the dlc for these game also tend to be excellent as well imo.
Well, I'm even more hyped now. I will be getting this game in the coming months for sure. Assassin's Creed in one of my favorite franchises, and Shadows looks like one of the best entries!!
Good luck to everyone who's been anticipating this, hope you enjoy it.
For me... I'm awaiting for an invitation to Yōtei.
@Weebleman No problem, Sir! 🫡
I’ll be waiting for GOY
Let me see what Japanese critics and players say and then I'll decide whats best for me. I just wish we had another Jin Sakai game on the way....
@Pyronation_87 wrong..they have assembled a legal team to tackle people who threaten and harass their employees..not people who have negative views on the game. If you have a link that shows ubisoft are actually suing people who neg on the game I'll apologise but as far as anybody with a modicum of common sense knows it's the people who are actively engaging in threatening and abusive behaviour.
I'll pick this up a bit later down the road as I have the first berserker kazan on pre order (physical as its under £40 on amazon) and I'm much more a fan of souls type games. Good review and very informative without any spoilers.
@Pyronation_87 I guess I just don't understand why you think that reviewers wouldn't give this game a fair critique when they were, by and large, pretty critical of Outlaws and Skull and Bones, two examples you provided. You can feel like Odyssey and Valhalla are by-the-numbers, something I would actually agree with, but neither were bombs. They were both commercial hits. The team that made Shadows made Odyssey and Syndicate before that. They didn't make Outlaws or Skull and Bones. Just about every review I've seen of this game has compared it to Origins, which is my personal favorite AC game.
I've seen some of the articles talking up your perspective on the legal task force, but none I've seen have had any real sources on how the task force isn't doing what they're supposed to be doing. It's all conjecture to suit the narrative of "Ubisoft is against free speech/critiques of their games," which just isn't true. Would they prefer that people only say nice things about their games? Sure. But they're not silencing negative feedback. It's just not true.
@Northern_munkey I'm very curious what you'll have to say about Berserker. I tried the demo and it didn't quite click with me, but the art style is super cool, especially for a Soulslike. Hopefully, the combat has been tuned a little from the demo and there's a new Soulslike for me to dive into in the future!
@AdamNovice There's room in my heart for both <3
So excited for Thursday
Well, since review embargo is lifted, I can share some inside information. Believe it or not.
First, the team behind Shadows was very ambitious. The folks knew that simply being AC in Japan won't cut it and the team was hellbent on making the best action rpg gameplay and battle system. They had crapton of cool ideas and Ubi greenlit them all. But as development dragged on and on and on all those ideas got butchered and the end result is just more refined Valhalla gameplay. Big sad.
Second. The development was a classic example of "right hand doesn't know what left is doing". Great many people worked on this game, but communication was basically nonexistent. The programmers could spend weeks working on a feature that has already been cut. The game could come out a year ago if the development was simply more organised.
And a third, that will sure ruffle some feathers but I have to say this, please don't mark me as "unconstructive". Project leads really wanted to make authentic historical game and not something "how Canadians see Japan", so they really did hire Japanese experts and history professors as consultants. The problem is, management hired, well, "another" consultant, and when historians said A and another consultant said B, management always went with B. Good or bad it is, decide for yourself.
With that I'm glad the game is competent and I'll get it when the complete edition is released and gets a discount, just like I did with previous installments.
82% on MC so far. So overall a strong entry and i can't wait to play it.
@Dalamar "inside info" Let me guess your uncle works at Ubi?
@DennisReynolds if what I said doesn't align with your values then don't believe me, feel free.
@Pyronation_87 so nothing that's actually,factually substantiated then. Good to know 👍
@wildcat_kickz I really liked the demo and I'm a souls veteran so the combat really clicked with me and I liked the challenge. Once I get my grubby little mitts on it I'll let you know.
With all honesty. This game was "doomed" from the start as far as reviews go. If it were a 9 or 10, they'd be screaming about reviewers being paid off. It's at an 8 and they're saying how ubi handpicked their reviewers and still only got an 8. And if it were a 7 or lower they'd be rejoicing about how bad the game is and they knew it would suck. Minds were made up long before there was even gameplay videos.
Look forward to playing it one day, certainly not a day one for me.
(Figured this would be the comment section that reduces the user count on here to sub 100)
I was planning on skipping this entry — I’m kind of over open-world AC games and the franchise in general — but I’ll probably pick this up in a couple of months once it’s on sale. There seem to be a few cool game mechanics that interest me, particularly the seasonal aspect. I also like the setting. The length of the game is somewhat a turn off because I’ll more than likely platinum it, but I wish it didn’t take as long as it will, but if I’m enjoying the game I won’t care too much.
@ShogunRok did ubisoft threaten to get their lawyers after you for bullying unless you gave the game higher than a 7? Yves has already sent me a threatening letter.
It's got a score of 82 on metacritic which is quite good considering the amount of hate Ubisoft gets these days, but looks like they are onto a winner with this one which will no doubt p**s off the haters who so desperately wanted this to fail.
@Dalamar Not so much values its more i don't tend to believe made up BS.
Having just played and not finished Dragon Age: The Veilguard (because it was awful) I'm quite wary of professional reviewer scores because they gave DA such high marks. Gamerant even gave it 10/10 which was remarkable. I love the DA franchise and I love Assassin's Creed. Hopefully Ubisoft have not messed up Shadows like Bioware have with DA. I will wait for player reviews because they are more reliable these days.
Been optimistic for this game for a while (I feel like the delays will probably have done this game good(?)) so I'm in for the preorder to snag the DLC now. Looking forward to jumping into this this weekend.
@reddevilcat I also didn't really care for Veilguard, but I can sort of see why reviewers were kind to it. Devoid of all context, it's a technically sound and beautiful game. But I found the writing terrible and tonally just completely different from the previous games.
If someone was just jumping into Dragon Age with Veilguard, I can see them liking it. But for fans of the series, like us, it felt like a total disappointment.
At the end of the day, reviews are just opinions and you're being very pragmatic to wait for audience reactions. Nothing wrong with that!
@PsBoxSwitchOwner If Ubi goes under you might get it 75% off sooner than later. Or perhaps get it for free on PS Plus ala Veilguard.
@Northern_munkey count me in on that Insider info as well LOL with Kazan. I played through the whole demo too I liked it but I felt like the level design was kind of lacking and it just felt a little too linear. But maybe it opens up and it's a little more fun to Traverse to each boss in the later game. Let me know how it is because I'd be down to grab it especially for that price.
@ShogunRok does it have a lot of exploration like Ghosts did? I loved just roaming the map while playing Ghosts. Exploration is the thing l like the best about open world games.
I played all of the AC games from the original Assassin Creed to Odyssey. Valhalla was the first game that I was disappointed in, and now I will be more choosy about the series. Did just get Mirage recently but Shadows looks like a game to just skip. Might give the game a shot it there was a playable full game trial, short of that not really interested.
@Deadlyblack the dynamic weather changing seasons every few days is a nice touch in my opinion.
@KundaliniRising333 I can see what you mean about the level design but that demo was literally the beginning. I watched a video on YouTube (spoiler free) and some of the later areas look stunning especially the city with the opera house. It's going to be a long 2 weeks.
This is gonna be soooo good. Slightly grateful that I am swamped at work as the days will go by faster.
@BleedingDreamer Yep, loads of exploration and the map is much bigger than the one in Ghost.
As someone who also loves roaming around big open worlds and just taking in the sights, I think Shadows' open world is outstanding. Quite possibly the best one Ubisoft has ever made.
@Rodimusprime13 Watching reviews and it seems Shadows is more closer to Odyssey then Valhalla and unlike both those games this was one is shorter and doesn't take 100+ hours.
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@OneTrueSamurai We know this is you Ian. Malaysia and making an account just to attack this one specific game. Pathetic.
@nessisonett ??? whos is ian? Im asking a serious question. The shinobi girl is so beautiful, I want to play only as her. But still want to 100% the game.
@OneTrueSamurai perhaps better phrasing here could save you from scrutiny
Edit: seeing as you joined 20 minutes ago I’m certain you’re rage baiting
@DennisReynolds It sounds promising, but I still don't intend to rush to get the game until I've tried a demo or a full game trial. Even then I don't buy games until they are discounted.
@ShogunRok You reviewed, as I would say "another random average RPG". But I've didn't read anywhere how it fits to Assassin's Creed saga? Is it step towards basic direction of AC series, ergo replaying piece of history, thru Animus, to get informations about things necessary for present day story? Or is that just another random Assassin's Creed game that doesn't push present day story anywhere, have (almost) no connections with previous games and playing it, or not, doesn't affect understanding of Assassin's Creed saga??? Thank you for answer.
@ZeroSum "The 'Open World RPG' aka abundance of map markers, collectables, towers etc is what loses me"
Same thing for me. I'm burned out of this type of gameplay. When the review says there is a board to pick missions to complete assassinations, it's a deal breaker. Come on, can you be more imaginative in 2025?
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I'm not surprised by the review. I like the series, but it's always felt like a 'B' tier series, never an 'A' tier. I'll still be buying and playing it soon, though.
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@AhmadSumadi I’m confused as to what exactly they think a legal team could possibly do to influence so many review sites…
@IamJT absolutely nothing! And they know it. But it’s a coping mechanism. A straw man argument.
Glad it is good, but it's Ubisoft, I'll wait a month and get it half off.
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@JayJ Why? You would rather go off review bombers who haven't even played the game? I would rather trust Pro reviewers who are giving it a fair shake and aren't crying over a black male lead. Its simple if you like AC especially the newer ones then you're going to like this, some are calling this best entry since Origins or Black Flag and it seems to be a massive visual leap for the series and has great combat and stealth in a great open world.
@AhmadSumadi
RE your post ending ".....Minds were made up long before there was even gameplay videos."
I was thinking the same thing. But thats the way the world seems to work these days - the only people who are "right" are angry Youtubers (often with little to no time involved) or conspiracy theorists; to whom only 2 results exist - something is either the best thing ever and should be praised forevermore, or absolute garbage that is trying to attack the moral foundation of society!
Edit - I will trust PSquare before the lot of them!
I've been wanting AC in Japan since the start. Looking forward to this.
@Kelrics90 Why are you questioning someone else's opinion on a game that you, guaranteed, haven't played, and based on your dismissive comment, probably won't play?
@HotGoomba It's quite simple, really. After Far Cry 6 and Division 2 were massive disappointments for me, I have my expectations set for any upcoming Ubisoft title.
Big, boring open worlds. Hooray.
80 hours?! ***** that! Life is too short!
@DennisReynolds Lol it's going to take a lot more than that to convince me to actually spend money on this. I have lost a great deal of respect for "professional" critics for a good reason, most of the time I simply can't relate to their views and all too often I find them predictably praising the latest products from AAA publishers who advertise on their sites. That and I don't think any of these attempts at gaslighting anyone critical of the game will win me over either.
@JayJ So you would rather go off user scores that are largely influenced by people who either haven't played it and put 0 or people combating the trolls by putting 10? User reviews outside of maybe Steam are a joke.
Also name a review from site like this who was bought by a Publisher? I mean you would think Ubi would pay for 9 and 10's not 8's right?
Thanks for the review! After reading a bunch of them now i can fairly say i will enjoy this game based on what i have read! happy stealth hunting everyone!
Thanks for the great review.
I honestly think I'm just kinda burnt out with AC games maybe even UBI in general and I've wanted a Japan AC game for years maybe it's a lil to late now
It appears more enjoyable than ghost of tsushima to me, which was a very boring game.
@JayJ " I find them predictably praising the latest products from AAA publishers who advertise on their sites."
Thank the universe, at Least someone else sees it.
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@DennisReynolds Fair point, metacritic is not a perfect way to judge a game.
On the other hand the “professionals” have a palpable disconnect with their audiance for well over a decade. I mean cmon PS gave Veilguars 8/10 too! A game that tanked to bad it broke a speed of light going to ps plus.
But theres a middle ground, watch some gameplay, some before you buy, and make your own mind. Judging game just be someone elses opinion isnt a way to go.
@ShogunRok what was the install size?
Also how is the animus hub in practicality?
Good rewards are the challenges fun/reasonable
@djlard There are some important pieces of information that are shared through the modern day Animus stuff, but it's never a focus. It reminds me a bit of the modern day sections in Black Flag — largely inconsequential but they they did still tie the game into the larger modern narrative.
@Uromastryx It's around 102GB.
The hub is basically just a menu. Right now it's quite barebones, with nothing to really do outside of launching your game. The Animus trials — which reward you with points you can spend in the store — are pretty standard, but they can have you fight strong enemies which is fairly fun.
There's also a battle pass-like thing where you can unlock a series of rewards through playing.
All in all, the 'live service' stuff is better implemented than it was in Valhalla.
@JustMyOpinion
I thought I was the only one with this issue.
I played it about a few months ago and was eager to try the Kurosawa B&W setting but, in the end, couldn't keep playing after the end crédit while I usually go for plat.
However, I loved Odyssey (only AC I did so far) because of how they recreated ancient/,mythical Greece and found Kassandra pretty fun too.
I love Japan and look forward to thé setting but I don't know if I will get the same wow feeling as climbing on top of Athena or watching the light pass through the cracks of ancient temples and columns...
I can't get excited about this because the ending of Valhalla really soured me. I loved that game right up until the last minute future nonsense that made it feel like the historical bit had a bit of a non-ending.
Anyway, I'm glad it's good, mainly because it'll annoy people who want it to fail.
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@DennisReynolds It's very difficult to trust any review at the moment. I'm currently playing Miasma Chronicles and an esteemed site gave it 1/5 because the reviewer didn't like a character! 5/5 it isn't but it's a decent game. Dragon Age: The Veilguard got really high average marks from professional reviewers. Avowed really is much better but got lower average marks from professional reviewers. I'm more likely to use user reviews now. Especially where they give a brief opinion (like on Xbox Store😄)
Great review. My rental copy should arrive tomorrow so I'll be playing this straight away, can't wait.
@wildcat_kickz I tried my best with Veilguard but I really don't think I'd like it even if it wasn't Dragon Age. I'm an old gamer so maybe that's a reason too. Technically it is impressive but the art style is semi-cartoonish, the characters are very bland, the enemies look like they come from a live-service or low budget game and the areas felt very shallow of content, with poor atmosphere. The combat was bad. DA is dark fantasy/grimdark and Bioware should have maintained that. You're right. Reviews are just opinions but when they deviate wildly from the common consensus of players you do have to wonder if the right reviewers are being chosen sometimes. It'll be interesting to see how Shadows fares. Hopefully Yasuke will fit into the narrative well and not distract too much from enjoying the culture of the Japanese people and environment of Japan. Personally I think Ubisoft have missed a trick. An AC game set in sub-Saharan Africa with an indigenous character would be superb.
@ShogunRok so its replaced the ubi club, with regards to cosmetics ?
@Rich33 the way things work today is most people only trust sources that confirm their biases. For example, many wanted this game to get low review scores. The scores are pretty good, so instead of trusting the reviews they'd been waiting on, they're not wanting to hear from player reviewers.
Problem with that is, with this game, you're not gonna get an unbiased average review score when it comes to players. As with anything, those who love the game will likely just play it and have fun with it. Those who don't love it, they'll just online to voice their opinions (even without playing it).
I can guarantee the Meta/Open average for this game will be lower than a 4. With many of the reviewers using words like "woke" and "DEI".
@species veilguard was good though and probably worth an 8, veilguard failed not because it was a bad game , it failed because it wasn't dragon age really and those Internet morons, who got their knickers in a twist over a cutscene ,it looked great , played great and had a few great characters.
@AhmadSumadi people are very easily manipulated these days , they love having their opinions formed by others,sorry state of affairs
@ShogunRok Thank you. So another fluff, unnecessary for Assassin's Creed saga.
@reddevilcat and herein lies the problem. This is exactly as I've been saying! People always believe Blacks are only allowed to "fit in" to where we belong. No one was saying William Adams shouldn't be the main in Nioh. No one questioned a white guy being the main Samurai in a game based in Japan. But now, you get a Black Samurai and he's "distracting from the Japanese culture".
Look, I'm not trying to insult you. But this is the kind of stuff that just irks me. The moment a Black main character shows up in anything that's not "Black", he/she gets their existence questioned. And you're basically saying, "Put the Black character in Africa. It won't be a distraction then." It's just so tiring.
@lazarus11 I'm playing Veilguard now. I consider Inquisition one of my all-time favorite video games and I'm loving Veilguard. I'll admit though, I see the things that got people riled up. But when I was asked my pronouns and gender identity I just picked what I picked and moved on. I don't see what the big deal is.
@AhmadSumadi I just dont get why they got so angry at a tiny portion of a game , I mean some bits made me roll my eyes, but sane people just move on, it seems there's a certain type of person that's just angry and offended at everything , they must wake up in a morning and straight onto the Internet to find the next nonsense to be outraged at , I just haven't got the energy for that 😂
@reddevilcat Yeah, I suspect Veilguard was just targeting a younger audience, which didn't include us. It definitely has the "Saturday Morning Cartoon" kinda vibe.
Regarding Shadows, I'm more optimistic. Given the fact that you can still play as a native Japanese women, you can still have that experience. For me, I think I'll enjoy playing as Yasuke just fine and will relate to his experience as a stranger in a strange land.
@lazarus11 @AhmadSumadi I don't consider myself a sensationalist, but I was supremely disappointed in Veilguard and not really for those "pressure point" issues. People have different thresholds for what they can stomach, in terms of groan-worthy dialog. I have a relatively low threshold for that, which is why I typically don't like JRPGs either. Veilguard, to me, felt like a Western JRPG, if that makes sense.
@lazarus11 The Animus menu is tied into the cosmetics shop, basically. There's a section where you get seasonal rewards for just playing the game, and there's a section that sells cosmetics for either in-game currency or real money (credits or whatever).
@AhmadSumadi Just wanted to say, this is pretty much the key problem with reviews these days: most people who actually interact with them only do so to confirm their own biases.
If you made your mind up months ago about disliking Shadows, you're going to seek out negative reviews and give them a thumbs up. "Ah, I knew it!" And it works both ways, obviously.
So if the critical consensus doesn't match your opinion (an opinion that was formed before even playing the game, it should be pointed out) you end up pointing to different factors.
"Can't trust paid reviewers."
"Will wait for the user reviews."
Logic gets thrown out the window, which is the frustrating thing. But we also need to remember that the vast majority of people who do read or watch these reviews simply do so and move on.
@reddevilcat yasuke was a real person though around this time period, regardless of anyone's views, was he a samurai or wasn't he , he was still there at this time , and its a video game so some liberties will be taken anyway in all aspects, AC isn't known for its historical accuracy, i just consider both characters as extra gameplay options, I like they what they've done with it.
@wildcat_kickz that's a good enough reason for me , you've tried it didn't like it moved on , I cant stand elden ring but it seems quite popular 😁 maybe my threshold is higher for such things as I work with the public , and they don't half talk absolute shi*te at times 😂
@AhmadSumadi I'm sure you aren't intending to insult me... But you are😄 You don't know me or my views. But I'm fine with it. Don't worry. I don't want any of us to be censored. But you are effectively accusing me of hate. From my point of view, I would love a game to be based in sub-Saharan Africa. Congo, Tanzania or Timbuktu would be amazing settings. As for Nioh. That was a fantasy game with supernatural elements. And to be honest, was the story great? AC is traditionally based on historical events with a dash of poetic licence. I think diversity would be much more championed by an indigenous African playing a role in Africa because it is not the norm to create that on the videogame medium. Was the Black Panther film not good for this? Or would you prefer a white guy running around saving Africans like in Hollywood films? Am I a bad person person for wanting to play a Japanese samurai with Japanese traditions? Does it make me a racist or anti-diversity? No. Absolutely not. I wouldn't want to play a Japanese character in Africa in an AC game either. Or European. Or South American etc, etc. I apologise in advance if this is difficult to handle for some people.
@lazarus11 I do realise this😄 I'll petition Ubisoft to replace Ezio with a Yasuke equivalent in Renaissance Italy.
@wildcat_kickz Shadows does sound much more promising👍🏻
My copy is on its way. Having played every major AC instalment I’m keen to get back in the animus and carry on creeding. I love open worlds, and this one looks like a gorgeous land to get lost in and forget all the ***** going on in the real world. Happy days.
@reddevilcat may I suggest Alessandro de' Medici, he was knocking about round about then
@reddevilcat Hey. I wasn't trying to call you out or pan you as racist. If I came off that way, I apologize. But it's something I run into quite often as it pertains to Black characters. It's always unbelievable for one to be in some setting that's not deemed "Black".
I get the point you're making about an Asian Black Panther, etc. But, to lend to that. The fact that so many Black heroes have to have "Black" in their name irks me as well. It's like being Black is a part of their identity. It doesn't make sense! But, this is why Black heroes aren't interchangeable like white ones are.
I'll give you an example of what I mean. Can there be a non-Black Black Panther. Likely not, because again, they tied his Blackness into his identity. Blade though, he can be non-Black because they didn't tie his Blackness into his identity. Same so for John Stewart Green Lantern.
Anyway, I apologize again if I've offended. Wasn't trying to. It's just that I've heard so often that seeing a Black character throws off the vibe that it gets tiresome.
@ShogunRok
I tend to work a different way.
Trailers, or being a sequel etc may peak my interest in a game. Demos even more so.
I then read reviews to ensure the game is good enough, and interests me enough, to buy.
I no longer ever buy 3rd party games without reading/watching reviews (yours, and sometimes 1 other), and usually technical reviews (SWJS was the 'last straw' for me after pre ordering based on the 1st game and then finding the launch framerate unplayable).
On the other hand, sometimes you review a game which I previously didnt have much interest in - which your review suddenly gets me far more interested in.
Your DAV review was the last example - glad I read that review, as I bought and loved the game!
Maybe im just odd!
@lazarus11 most people don't realize that Black people didn't first leave Africa on slave ships lol. This is why when they see Black people in Feudal Japan or Renaissance Italy it blows their minds.
Nah I think I'm good
Just wanted to say that I appreciate this reviewer not using the phrase, “return to form,” unlike a good number of others.
I read this review first and wondered why you put the warning. Then went to Twitter and found out. It’s one of those types of games. Can’t see this one selling too well, and it’s a shame because from the classic AC games the last thing I think about is romance, so why even include that stuff?
@AhmadSumadi That's ok. I can handle it😉 Maybe try taking the 'black' out of it. Yasuke could be white, Middle-Eastern, Central Asian, Indian... It's not his colour, it's more the cultural context. I'm happy to play as Yasuke but I feel it would have been better as DLC. I'm willing to bet that there are black Africans who would also like to play as a Japanese samurai. I don't know if you play Yakuza but I really wouldn't want to play as a European yakuza for example 😄 I happen to agree with you about Nioh btw. I did wonder why am I playing a white guy in feudal Japan!? But it was created by a Japanese developer. I can also remember many years ago sitting down in the cinema to watch The Last Samurai and really wishing I was watching a historical epic solely about Japanese samurai rather than Tom Cruise. It's honestly nothing to do with race. I can even remember choosing to be a black JC Denton in Deus Ex. And I chose to play as a woman, Cassandra, in AC Odyssey. My whiteness & gender does not really completely dictate my choices in life. Anyway. I hope you enjoy the game.
@Wesker Just to clarify, the information going around on sites like Twitter is partly falsified in order to rile people up and get reactions.
There are multiple romance options for both characters in Shadows, and it's entirely up to the player whether they engage in them through clearly marked dialogue options.
@ShogunRok that’s reassuring. Not everyone wants their sensibilities challenged when playing a video game, especially one about violence and killing people.
The last one we got was Odyssey and I enjoyed that although the combat definitely got samey even before you start the inevitable DLC packs. I’ll admit I’m such a graphics whore though and the PRO version is looking superb so I’ll be dipping in on this one no doubt. I’ll also add that now we are starting to see why the PRO was a god like purchase 🫣. What diminishing returns, we’ve got RT and it’s literally game changing graphically
@lazarus11 I have to absolutely disagree, pretry much everything about it was bad. The characters, writing, story, overall feel, combat, bulletsponge enemies even on “easy”.
It was honestly a 3
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Was going to hold out for Ghost of Yotei. But this looks really good! So ordered a physical copy, arriving on Friday. That's my weekend sorted.
I was extremely wary to look at the comments here given the hate this game got and is possibly still getting but instead I'm seeing a lot of positivity towards it which really pleases me. I have the Digital Deluxe Edition purchased and I'm really looking forward to playing it when I eventually have the time. I've been wanting this setting in an Assassin's Creed game for as long as I can remember and it's finally here.
@ShogunRok Surprised anyone takes anything seriously on that Cesspit of a site at all.
AC: Odyssey has been my favourite AC so far, so perhaps this one will be good to try out. I'll play as the stealth chick though. Not keen to tank AC.
/ no real Ubi problem for me, jus the openworld methodology is very samey
It looks pretty enough to spend a while sneaking around in its world. I'll get back to it on a sale, and when the bigots moved on.
Nothing about the incredibly stilted, AI-esque voice acting?
@Oram77 Really Metacritic has it scored a lot lower, with no user reviews yet, obviously.
@tselliot Metacritic has it as 81 after he 75 reviews.
Opencritic is 81 average as well
No user scores yet
Put a few hours in and so far its good with combat being some of the best in series. Also shocked at how little you play as Yasuke early on.
@DennisReynolds I believe Ubisoft got ballsy and it was the first mainline (ie not counting Liberation) to have a single protagonist who was female.
Seems to me the game was designed and built around her from the ground up but then something happened.
Either they bottled it, or willingly tacked on the male character because someone said "I've got a great idea" late in the day.
But tacked on it was, with a contrived combat style that feels completely out of place. I believe they had to contrive a different style as the physical frames of the two characters are so different, they couldn't do a copy paste like Valhalla.
End result is that it feels off. Like a random character jumped from Streets of Rage into feudal Japan.
At least that's how it feels early doors. Be interested to know from those who've finished it, if that after-thought tacked-on DLC character feeling persists.
Could even be that the character was intended for an expansion but late in the day was awkwardly inserted into the main campaign.
@Cornpop76 Would make sense as Kassandra in Odyssey was meant to be the single lead but higher ups forced a male choice hence why a lot of stuff feels off if you don't play as Kassandra.
This shows how beautiful the Ghost of Thusima really is.
It's just more of the same, I literally watched the gameplay and thought its a re skinned - Valhalla
Assassin's creed is just like COD , the same product re skinned every time
@ButterySmooth30FPS The bad English dub is mentioned twice in the review.
@ShogunRok It's even listed as one of the "Cons" of the game...
Ah, I did control+F "voice" and didn't find anything. 😬
@Cornpop76 Yeah I'm about 7 hours in and still playing as Naoe; she's definitely the protagonist, at least so far. Feels like her story so what you say is probably right.
I'm more sold on this game than I was before, but I'll probably wait to see a full list of critic reviews before committing. I'm also anticipating review bombing, which I'll naturally ignore. As should everyone, really.
Are they still doing that thing where they nerf the XP rewards from quests so you either have to grind pointless side quests or buy the XP booster from the store like they did with AC Oddyse?
Because they can do one if that's the case.
@DennisReynolds The biggest red flag in Odyssey that I saw early on suggesting that Cassandra was the intended protagonist was that Alexios' run/walk cycle was the same as Cassandra. It looked really weird that his animations were all designed for a female rig. The only "male" animations I saw in that game were taken straight from Origins, which seemed only to trigger when holding a torch. Hopefully, they haven't been that lazy this time, though first impressions look promising. I suppose I'll find out for myself, this evening.
@wildcat_kickz For the me the biggest hint this is Kassandra's story is the Daughters of Artemis questline, that entire questline and how it ends makes no sense with Alexios.
@DennisReynolds To be honest, I don't remember that quest 😂I totally believe you though. That game was so huge, more than half has been completely flushed from my brain.
The wait for UPS is getting unbearable.
@JB_Whiting as the time stamps would testify, we posted our comments before Skill Up's review was published and he said the same thing.
So we aren't just copying what we heard in a review, as many forum posters do. We independently came to that view.
There are serious reputable reviewers also suspecting that it was a Naoe game, and I think she's awesome and love the traversal/fight style.
I believe Ubisoft screwed up, as if they'd saved Yasuke for a Freedom Cry-esque DLC (which I have to wonder was the original plan) it would have been very well received and not subject to any backlash.
@DennisReynolds - having only ever played with Kassandra, that's fascinating hearing how it differed (or didn't) from someone who played both! I didn't realise just how copy-paste the story was.
On the subject of "rigs", that's usually a major problem with Bioware games. I uninstalled Veilguard in disgust when my female elf walked like a massive male wrestler who was jacked on roids.
Female Eivor in Valhalla appeared to use the male rig to me.
@ShogunRok
Did you notice that the character names of a bunch of characters in English and Japanese differ?
For example Sorin (E) <> Sogen (JP) or Nagata Fujibayashi (E) <> Masayasu Fujibayashi (JP) or Nagetore (E) <> Yuhei (JP).
Especially the names in the English version that are “changed” don’t really sound very Japanese to me. Do you think we can have an explanation from Ubisoft? It really takes some immersion out for me sometimes.
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B5%E3%82%B7%E3%83%B3_%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89_%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%89%E3%82%A6%E3%82%BA
You can have a look at the Japanese wiki for Masayasu.
So far I really enjoy the game, but this, sometimes the choice of the music they got and some weird misinformation they spread over the popularity of Yasuke, makes it all seem like they don’t really respect the Japanese culture and somehow try to westernize it too much.
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@tatsumi Find it interesting how people take issues with Ubi's take on Japanese history but never questioned past games that also took a lot of liberties with history and the culture. I mean does Ubi not respect Egyptian history with their depiction of Cleo? Why does no one care about that? How about its depiction of the Pope in AC2? How about Valhalla and its depiction of Viking era England?
@DennisReynolds westerners romanticize Japanese culture to the utmost! But in this case, most of the crying over the “disrespect” for Japanese culture is just masking something else. And it’s the same people who say eff everyone’s feelings who are now suddenly offended by this game.
@DennisReynolds um… I never had an issue with their depiction. I am playing the game and enjoying it. I just don’t get the inconsistency between both languages. And I dislike how they had some “expert” saying Yasuke is very popular in Japan, when in reality no Japanese gives a damn about him. There are things that feel disrespectful towards the Japanese culture. I can’t know how it is with other AC games since I don’t know enough about those cultures. But I have lived in Japan for 10 years and obviously am surrounded by a lot of Japanese I talk to.
I don’t mind Yasuke being a playable character in the game. The story they try to build around him seems interesting enough.
Other than that I can feel that the majority of devs who worked on the game really respects the culture with how much energy they poured into some details. But some potentially upper management decisions are very questionable.
@species
Veilguard deserves 8/10. The game was destroyed by people who cannot stand diversity. For me, the positive review from Robert Ramsay made it so I was eager to jump in - but then people just unfairly criticized it. It took PS Plus Essential for me to try and form my own opinion. And now I can say that it is a great game - 8/10.
PS Plus must be in great shape to offer such a cool title. Well worth the sub on top of everything else you get from the sub.
@reddevilcat
There are so many great games out there and Veilguard is one of them in the right hands - I had to adjust, just like with every other DA entry, and I think that any score from 6-8/10 is a fair score to give out.
I am such a big fan of the story that I had to see it through. It reminded me a bit about Vampyr, which also is a 6-8/10. I have only retained the good memories and will retain that from Veilguard. If you lean into a game, often times it leans towards you too.
This is not me saying your opinion is wrong - I just wanted to join in the discussion so it is not only people who joined the bandwagon that express their opinion.
Well I've been playing videogames for over 40 years and hopefully I'm long enough in the tooth to have my own mind and not jump onto a bandwagon. And hopefully my joypad was in the right hands. Thanks for the advice on how to lean into a game though. Your condescending manner is duly noted😉
@reddevilcat
You read that wrong with all due respect - you are looking for a "condescending" tone. I just wanted to join in the discussion.
As to the 'bandwagon' I didn't mean you, I meant review bombers who strike when the iron is hot. Even if you hypothetically had reviewbombed it, I still don't mean you because you meaningfully are participating in a cozy Sunday chat about gaming.
I am, actually, validating that the game might not be for you. If you give it below 6/10 I just wouldn't agree with you.
A review bomber purposefully goes out of their way to ruin a product to enforce their agenda. I have no agenda whatsoever. Other than wishing that Bioware didn't tamper with the DA ethos. Which they did. By reducing the RPG elements, they reduced the game in my view. And the combat simply wasn't good enough to compensate. If you actually read my comments I don't actually make any judgements on anybody who plays games or enjoyed Veilguard. Diversity has no bearing on my assessment of Veilguard whatsoever. Although I did find the Quanari being goodlooking humans with horns quite disturbing considering how intimidating they are in previous entries. And the cute accents and appearances in what was a dark fantasy franchise was nauseating. I genuinely think it is a poor game and Bioware have ruined the prospect for future games. If you enjoyed it, good for you. I'm not about to suggest that you are on a form of pro-diversity bandwagon however. Just because a person doesn't like a game that includes diversity, it doesn't automatically place them in an anti-diversity bracket. I'm neither woke or far right. I just want to play good games. As for being cosy on a Sunday. Veilguard was just that. Cosy!😊
Metacritic user reviews are up now. 5.7/10 so far. My favorite review is the 0/10 that says:
”nop def edef efef da dzqzd zqd zdze dzcefefgref zedzdaa ftttgtg zdfvftrgr dzd”
Spitting facts!
@reddevilcat
I agree on the def of review bombers.
Yes, they shouldn't have dumbed it down in tone or RPG elements!
Combat isn't all that I agree.
They also misunderstood Qunari/ changed them completely.... My current Qunari is completely human... but he has horns... It's weird.
The cutesy art design and character design, not to my liking either.
I quite liked the ending that got to be a bit more mature, and so I give the game more credit than perhaps I should in how the OK parts come together.
As to the future of Dragon Age.... it is dead, I agree. I mean the entire studio is gone and they've settled the biggest story left in the franchise.
It is clear to me that the game feels like it was supposed to be a live service and has changed a lot before being stitched together and thrown out the door.
But the ending again, touched me s I had laboured to give "the universe" the best ending I could.
I was supposed to be an arsehole in my second playthrough, but the roleplaying is at a minimum. I will probably get the same ending although I am tempted to ***** up everything just to see the Gods gloat and get an easy win.
@tatsumi The first person to highlight Yasuke in modern times was Japanese. Afro Samurai was inspired by Yasuke. Yasuke is mainstay in Samurai Warriors. Yasuke appears in Nioh as a samurai and boss fight.
There's no disrespect to towards Japanese culture so stop with that BS, Ubi treat it the same as they treat any other historical period. Yes they take liberties but its a VG of course liberties will be taking and its why Viking Era England in Valhalla doesn't match the real thing as they had to make it interesting for the players.
@EfYI Damn, thats good that you like it. I tried it on PC and it just wasnt for me.
I dont mind diversity if its done right, this just wasnt in my opinion.
Theres definetly some racist bigots that hate the game just to hate it, but I think most people are just tired of being told theyre racists even tho they have valid criticism.
And i think criticising Veilguard for bad writing and cringy dialog is valid.
Its a 3/10 dragon age for me and 4/10 rpg. With so many great games coming out lately i simply dont have time for sutch a game.
Dont let mine, or anyone elses, opinion to detract from your enjoyment tho.
@DennisReynolds How bout the fact that you get to romantice the dudes wife, whos known in japan for being honorable and faithful?
Japanese also didnt like that you can destroy real life shrines. Im kinda 50/50 on that.
On one hand its just a game, on the other hand flight simulator doesnt let you hit the towers.
Either way, theres plenty of disrespect that a japanese person can find in this game.
@species Guess you think Origins is disrespectful then? AC2 must disrespectful? Valhalla must disrespectful?
Its funny how its only Shadows gets held to higher standard towards history despite AC being a Sci-Fi game and not a history doc.
@DennisReynolds I keep saying it. Yasuke (Or any other Black character) is usually fine as a background character. But move them to the main character and there’s a problem.
I had an exchange with someone a little while ago regarding Green Lantern John Stewart (The Black Green Lantern). Everyone was saying how awesome he is and then some guy chimes in and says: “See. We don’t mind Black characters at all! They just need to be great characters and integral to the story!” My question is why? Why can’t Black characters just exist like everyone else? Why do they have to be special or “magical” (IYKYK) to be accepted? Why can’t they just be a part of the show without having to be some sort of plot device to advance the white main?
This is why Yasuke in Nioh was never an issue. Yasuke in Samurai Warriors was never an issue. He was in his place; the background. Assassin’s Creed Yasuke got frisky and dared to be in the spotlight. And that ruined the historical accuracy of this video game.
@DennisReynolds Well i dont think either are disrespectful, but than again im not japanese.
I didnt play anything beyond black flag, but the reason why shadows is held at higher standart than AC2 is that ezio was a fictional character.
Also idk where youre getting a scifi, AC is a “ historical action-adventure video game series” by Ubis own definition.
@AhmadSumadi Yep racists being racist as always sadly.
@species The current main lead of the modern day side is Loki as in the Norse God Loki. You explore the past with the Animus a machine that let's you explore the lives of past people. Adam and Eve were real as is the Apple of Edan. The Isu were a highly advanced race before humans. Kassandra in Odyssey used a Spear that was Usu tech that gave her god like powers. Eivor in Valhalla was Odin reborn and you can use Thor's hammer as a weapon. All the Gods in Myth were actually Isu we mistook as Gods. I've played every entry in AC and yes its full sci-fi in fact no its full on fantasy.
Shadows is being held in "higher regard" is because you play as a black man. If William Adams was the lead no one would care.
@DennisReynolds I guess I just have a bit more optimistic view of the world.
Also if that was true, why didnt San Andreas fall under the same scrutiny? If its all just black guy main lead.
@species the later games after black flag especially clearly depict a massive sci-fi story with Isu, and how the entire AC series itself could be one big simulation for the gods.
Ubisoft might have described AC historical action at 1 point but it's so far beyond now
@species Because in 2004 social media, YT and this pathetic culture war didn't exist.
@DennisReynolds naah, there were as many racists that would boycott the game as there are now. Youre just more exposed to it.
@species Well yeah they are vocal minority as always plus they rarely do actually boycott in the end anyway.
@Uromastryx Ye but, and please correct me if im wrong, Yasuke is a real historical figure.
The lady you get to defile is also historical figure.
The emperors armor you got to steal as preorder bonus is also real.
And its based in a real part of Japan.
I dont think people would have a problem playing as an eskymo if these things werent true. Its disrespect to history thst people, mostly japanese, have a problem with.
I dont hear anyone complaining about playing as hispanic(?) lady in Split Fiction.
@DennisReynolds In that case vocal minorities are best to be ignored
@EfYI The enemies certainly looked like they come from a live service game. At least you stuck it out to the end. I played it as a free game with PS Plus and gave up😄 Unfortunately Bioware is now suffering the fate that everyone thought would happen when EA took them over years ago. Let's hope they can redeem themselves with Mass Effect and they don't meddle with the formula too much. I'm much more optimistic about Shadows. But then again, how do you tone down assassination!😄
@species hey. I’ll tell you why San Andreas didn’t fall into that category. It’s because it’s a game about the hood. And a Black guy has to be the lead in that game. See, when a Black guy gets out of place, that’s where the ruckus starts. Seriously! There’re people who complained about Captain America going woke because they made a Black guy be Captain America. Not knowing this is canonical. First thing they saw was Black.
As for the culture wars being new. That’s true. Like, Alien: Romulus got backlash because the lead is a female and her Android brother is Black. People complained about Alien being “woke” because it has a female lead! Alien! The film that’s had a female lead since the beginning.
I swear, in today’s climate, Ripley and Sarah Connor would never be revered as they are if they’d have been brought to the screen within the past 10 years. Neither of them are the desired female lead archetype.
@AhmadSumadi Those are pretty interesting points.
Why does a game from the hood has to have a black guy? Plenty of white guys in the hood. Also of you asked me a year ago id tell you a game from feudal japan has to have a japanese samurai, aparently thinking thst makes me racist.
I was also thinking about Ripley(my all time favourite character) few weeks back. And i do nt think its todays culture. Both Ripley and Sarah Connor are well written, with flaws and limitations. Which makes them interesting. Theyre not these mary sues that are instantly best at everything (see Rey from star wars). Thats what people hate.
There can be female, well written characters today too, again Split Fiction for example, and everybody loves those.
Both flawed, yet interesting characters.
@DennisReynolds I don’t have a problem with him in the game. Also you are not from Japan, so you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about in terms of Yasuke popularity here.
I am not criticizing Yasuke’s existence in the game, but how UbiSoft tried to spin his popularity with that particular video of that “expert”.
Most Japanese have no clue who the dude is.
It’s like putting words into peoples mouths in Japan.
But that was just a one time thing that’s over now, so what annoys me most right now is how different many character names are in Japanese vs English. One if which is a very important character.
Just got the disc version for £58. It's expensive but itching to get back to fragmented memories, the anvil game engine is taxing the ps5 unless you're ok with quality 30 fps, It's performance mode for me for the smoother play. PS5 is showing its age in this iteration and that's why when I compare with the last game AC Valhalla feels the better experience, still early days for my own review but it is not gripping me like Valhalla did even at the start, I'm hoping it gets better?
Does this game have something similar to the raids in Valhalla or battles in Odyssey? Those were the best parts of those games for me.
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