It's been close to ten whole years since Dragon Age: Inquisition, if you can believe it — and it's fair to say that developer BioWare has endured a difficult decade. The studio effectively tanked its once industry-leading reputation with Mass Effect: Andromeda and ANTHEM — two titles that fell so far short of past standards that expectations surrounding the team's next project dropped to an all-time low.
Dragon Age: The Veilguard is that project — a return to the fantasy setting of Thedas, and a new adventure built on the hefty lore of its three predecessors. It's also no secret that The Veilguard — previously known as Dreadwolf — arrives having been dragged through a particularly tumultuous development cycle.
We don't know for sure how many forms the project has adopted and subsequently shed over its time in the oven, but the game that we've been playing for the sake of this review is probably the best Dragon Age title since Origins. BioWare is back, etc.
We say 'probably' because this is the new Dragon Age, pumped full of action combat, colour-coded loot, and watered-down dialogue wheels. Trying to compare it to something like Origins — charting the course of an entire franchise in the process — is best left to five-hour video essays on YouTube. What you need to know right now is that The Veilguard is the furthest the series has ever strayed from its CRPG roots.
And that's understandable, given how much BioWare itself has changed since 2009. But in a world where Baldur's Gate 3 (there it is, the inevitable name-drop) exists — and it's the gold standard for what a modern, choice-driven RPG can be — The Veilguard feels like it's disappointingly late to the party, and it can't possibly compete on a pure role-playing level.
You're Rook — a completely customisable and rather unlikely hero, who's handed the daunting task of dealing with two ancient elven gods, now free from their ethereal prison. Once you've spent an outrageous amount of time sculpting your perfect protagonist — using the game's impressively in-depth character creation system — you're thrown into the thick of things, as returning rogue Varric leads the charge against his old pal Solas.
If you've played Inquisition — and its all-important Trespasser expansion — you'll know what's going on. The Veilguard is a direct sequel in terms of the central plot, but it takes place years after the events of the prior instalment. As such, it leans quite heavily into the established Dragon Age narrative, but at the same time, it comes close to feeling like a standalone entity, complete with mostly new characters and locations. Newcomers shouldn't have too much trouble getting to grips.
The game starts off really strong; a string of dramatic and fast-paced story missions set the tone, providing peak BioWare vibes. As the adventure opens up — with Rook having made an otherworldly structure known as the Lighthouse into a base of operations — it becomes clear that Mass Effect 2 was a big inspiration on the game's structural spine.
Basically, Rook needs to assemble a team to bring down those pesky gods, and so a web of character-driven storylines starts to take shape. BioWare's best games have always been defined by their characters, and while it's unlikely that Rook's allies will ever be placed on the same pedestal as Garrus or Morrigan or, hell, even Varric, The Veilguard offers up some endearing personalities throughout.
By the time we hit the main story's final stretch, we cared quite strongly about Rook and the gang — and if that's not BioWare getting back on track, we don't know what is.
However, the writing can be a bit... cute, for lack of a better word, often missing the kind of wit and punch that make modern classics like Baldur's Gate 3 and The Witcher 3 so compelling. But even with a few too many Marvel-esque quips being flung about, the script is emotionally engaging when it matters. This can be a truly gripping RPG when you're forced to agonise over key story choices, holding your breath as the consequences play out.
The problem is that these weighted, story-shifting decisions are fairly few and far between. The vast majority of your dialogue options boil down to choosing how Rook reacts to the current situation — as opposed to actually impacting it. Granted, being able to shape your hero's personality through somewhat superficial dialogue is important — it helps you connect — but we found ourselves yearning for more meaningful interactions every now and then.
But it's not like The Veilguard has abandoned its Dragon Age DNA. In fact, what are arguably your most affecting decisions come right at the beginning of the game, as you're able to choose Rook's race, background, and class. These choices echo through the entire adventure, making surprisingly significant changes to dialogue and how you're perceived by both party members and the world's wider factions.
Structurally, The Veilguard is set across a number of separate locations — each of which can be travelled to via huge magical mirrors called Eluvians. Your hub — the aforementioned Lighthouse — is at the heart of this network, granting you convenient access to wherever your next quest happens to begin.
Some of these locations are one-time stops — places where main missions and important companion quests occur. They're linear by design, letting BioWare craft some superb set pieces, backed by stunning scenery. This is where The Veilguard is at its best, stacking carefully constructed combat encounters on top of engaging exploration and tense story moments. Again, it's peak BioWare.
The year is 2024, though, and so AAA games aren't allowed to just flow. The Veilguard isn't open world, but it does feature a number of large, seamless environments that house generic side quests and too many map icons. It's very reminiscent of God of War (2018) and God of War Ragnarok — a Metroidvania-like approach where specific companion abilities open additional paths, leading to hidden treasure chests.
Fortunately, this isn't the same kind of bloat that crippled Inquisition — there are nowhere near as many MMO-esque fetch quests, and your efforts are usually rewarded with unique loot or cool boss fights. But there's an argument to be made that The Veilguard would be a better overall experience if you trimmed a lot of the fat, and just stuck with curated, Mass Effect 2-style missions.
As mentioned, Dragon Age is a full-on action RPG now, although it does have a time-stopping command menu that lets you issue orders to your current teammates; it's essentially Mass Effect's combat blueprint but with swords, shields, and magic. There are even 'detonations' to consider — skill combos that result in high-damage chain reactions. Shepard would be proud.
Thanks to some tricky enemy types and deceptive parry timings, combat does feel awkward at first. But once it clicks — like it did for us, maybe five or so hours in — throwing down with spirits, demons, and darkspawn becomes a genuine highlight. When you consider the series' trajectory, Dragon Age's steady transition to action combat has always seemed inevitable — and so it's a relief that BioWare's managed to make something that feels great to play, and satisfying to succeed at.
And it's not like this is suddenly Devil May Cry. There's still a strategic edge to the encounter design, in that you're often forced to prioritise certain targets, or save your cooldown-based abilities for the perfect counterattack. It ends up striking a really nice balance between moment-to-moment reactions and actively trying to control the rhythm of a fight.
Add diverse character builds to the mix — backed by fantastic skill trees that actually require meaningful choice — and there's an awful lot to like about The Veilguard's action. Our only real criticism is directed at just how much visual noise there can be on-screen at any one time, especially during bigger brawls. Damage numbers, targeting lines, flashing parry indicators — it can seriously hamper your ability to read the battlefield.
Thankfully, BioWare's gone above and beyond with the game's settings, which let you fully customise the user interface, including text size, subtitle backgrounds, objective markers, tooltips, and more. Likewise, combat difficulty can be tweaked to an impressive extent, letting you fine-tune everything from damage calculations to the timing on dodge and parry windows. Lovely stuff.
Performance is near perfect on PS5, too. The title's performance mode is locked at a silky 60 frames-per-second, barring some incredibly rare dips when the game's busy rendering a new area. Load times are lightning quick as well — which is a big deal given how often you'll be fast travelling between waypoints in order to complete quests.
And visually, The Veilguard is a bit of a stunner. As alluded earlier, the environmental artistry is outstanding; from the crumbling, dream-like structures of the Fade to the gorgeously autumnal Arlathan forest, it's a beautifully presented experience. What's more, the character designs are superb, even if the art direction as a whole has almost completely abandoned the property's once grittier, gorier aesthetic.
Conclusion
Dragon Age: The Veilguard isn't quite BioWare back to its absolute best, but it is the most cohesive and emotionally engaging RPG that the studio has delivered since Mass Effect 3. Its shift to crunchy action combat is an improvement over Inquisition's middle-of-the-road approach, and although the game feels a little light on meaningful player choice, the storytelling pulls no punches when it actually matters. This is a gorgeous and gripping adventure, backed by a cast of endearing heroes and deliciously devious villains.
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If anyone's got any questions about the game or the review, let me know and I'll try to answer them.
Took me around 80 hours to beat The Veilguard, and I did everything that's available in one playthrough. Really does feel like a proper BioWare game, which is a big win for everyone involved.
Thanks for reading!
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I'm glad to see it's a good game. I don't know if I feel more compelled to play it than before, as the game style looks off. I'll check into some videos and see. I'll be very curious to see how this sells.
solid score! I won't be getting it for a little while until I'm done with Metaphor but I am happy it isn't the trainwreck some were anticipating. looking forward to trying it out eventually
I thought the game was gonna suck as it had people with purple hair in it?
Love to see them crawl back into the basement, WE GOT A GOOD GAME YALLLL
Can’t wait to play this on the pro.
In terms of interacting with your companions, what is it like on a scale of ME1 (a few set conversations that you can progress as you advance through the game) to ME3 (dedicated companion missions, random companion interactions back at the base, companions interacting with each other back at the base)?
Cool, I had no expectations for this given modern BioWare… but the fact it’s turned out well is a bonus for sure!
I might play this but I just find it hard to care about Dragon Age even though I've played them all.
And with that, I think we’ve entered GotY season, everyone!
For me, if we would’ve gotten that 10/10 review, I think I might’ve jumped, but I just don’t like the art design and hearing that it’s got “cute” writing makes me feel I may not click with it, personally. I can’t help but be curious though. For old times sake.
@ShogunRok something I’m curious about is if there are difficulty sliders that impact the gameplay? I don’t quite have the time for RPGs like I did even 2, 3 years ago (or… 20 years ago when I really leaned into the genre), unfortunately. With giant games, I just lower the difficulty as much as possible, so that I can enjoy the story and avoid the grind. Just curious if that’s something in the game or something that can be time saver.
@McTwist There's plenty of blood in the game. The blood splatters are just a visual thing that every Dragon Age game has had, where blood stays on your characters after combat.
@ShogunRok any ng plus or any game activities that become available after the final boss?
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I stand corrected, edited.
I appreciate noting the quippy, cutesy dialogue in the review.
Something that I personally, find a turn off, but others will really enjoy.
@ShogunRok what's sound design like , music etc
@somnambulance Yeah, the combat customisation is really good. From the review: "Likewise, combat difficulty can be tweaked to an impressive extent, letting you fine-tune everything from damage calculations to the timing on dodge and parry windows."
There are preset difficulties as well, but you're free to tweak things at any time through the menu to suit your needs.
Theeere we go!! Where are all the stupid haters now, huh? The game also got a 9/10 from IGN and a 5/5 from Eurogamer too. Great to see this... and prove that you need to PLAY a game first before writing it off completely, just because you don't like one aspect of it.
So glad the haters got served. Incredibly happy to see this. Thanks for the review, Push! Can't wait to get my copy
Never been a fan of the series since Origins but I’m glad it’s turned out alright for the fans.
An 8 is a great news after their last two back-to-back flops with Anthem and Andromeda.
It's been a long while since I'm actually looking forward to Bioware's game but I can't wait till the 31st for this. Thanks for the early review!
@Uromastryx No New Game+, which I think is a huge shame considering how well it's always worked in Mass Effect.
There are plenty of optional endgame bosses and quests, but they all take place before the story's finale. Once you finish the main quest, you just get the credits and that's the end.
I haven't played a Dragon Age game since the very first one and I never completed it. Had a hard time staying involved/invested therefore I never played any sequels. That said, would this game bring someone like me back into the series? Sounds like there's a turn around from what it was.
@lazarus11 Sound design is actually really good, some great combat sound effects in particular.
Music is generally high quality as well, if a little forgettable, in my opinion.
@PocketHotDogs It's a very different Dragon Age, which might be a good thing from your perspective of not getting along with the older games.
It's more streamlined in a lot of ways and it's obviously action-based now. I'd definitely consider looking up some gameplay and seeing whether you find it more appealing than what's come before.
I knew dragon age the veilguard was going to be a really good game.a 8 is a incredible score.word up son
Still going to hold off until the general public has played the game. I went into DA:I expecting a return to form and was massively disappointed so even though the reviews are fairly well so far I'm still going to be cautious. If it does turn out to be the best Bioware game since Mass Effect 3 (which I had problems with but was overall enjoyable) then that would be nice, I just want some great storytelling for Dragon Age and Mass Effect. The biggest negative so far is the bloated side content, which was one of the many weak parts of Inquisition, so it's disappointing to hear it's still an issue with Veilguard.
I am looking forward to playing it on Thursday the difficultly setting where you can customise how you want to play the game sold me
The long awaited follow up to what is one of my top 5 favorite games of all time! I t hink I will be putting down ESO in favor of this! Simply. Cannot. Wait!!!
@Maubari. I know right where the haters at.i been saying for months dragon age the veilguard was going to be a excellent game and its going to bring bioware back.and a lot of people taught i was crazy.whos crazy now.they are hypocrites.word up son
How well does it fulfill the excitement of the sequel hook? If it was still called Dreadwolf, how much would it really earn that name?
The reviews have been very positive for this game. I personally loved Inquisition, so I’ll probably pick this one up. It should be a great time!
@ShogunRok any sign of Cassandra Pentaghast? There has to be Cassandra Pentaghast! Please tell me Cassandra Pentaghast is in this game!
@ThomasHL It's probably one of BioWare's best games in that sense. There are a lot of companion conversations to get through back at your base, and there are numerous instances where companions will get together and talk amongst themselves.
Some even have full conversation cutscenes, instead of just generic dialogue that triggers when you get close.
In terms of your party actually feeling like a group of people all living in the same place, it's better than any previous Mass Effect or Dragon Age game.
Day one for me, I am looking forward to Thursday.
@AhmadSumadi Without spoiling anything, there's no sign of Cassandra. Much to my disappointment.
@AhmadSumadi. I been saying for months dragon age the veilguard was going to be a excellent game.and a lot of people here in pushsquare taught i was crazy.even online people taught so also.i have faith in bioware to make a comeback.dragon age inquisition is a excellent game also.won 2014 game of the year.word up son
@ThomasHL It does a lot with the Dragon Age lore. Huge revelations surrounding Solas and the overarching narrative of elven gods and all that.
In that sense, it's definitely the sequel that Inquisition promised. Lore nerds will find loads to talk about.
I've been pining for a true successor to Origins as I haven't enjoyed this series since. But glad fans are getting a competent action rpg.
@Cal_ We're reviewing Call of Duty, we didn't get access to the game until it launched on Friday and still need to spend more time properly trying all of the modes.
It'll be out soon, but please give us a little more time!
It looks like Hogwart's Legacy, just not as dark...
I kept saying this thing looks super YA, and now I think I get it. Even the combat looks like HL.
@DonJorginho I always think your avatar is Jet Brody, from Fracture.
It will sell decent because the game has dragon age in the title. It’s a popular IP. But I’m sure most of the sells will be of fans whom feel duped and will have buyers remorse. I never care what critics have to say about a game or movie that interests me. BUT it’s always telling when a game is reviewed in a critical manner by those not within the “in” crowd and they don’t get review codes. It’s always the same when fans have legitimate criticisms then normie outlets like IGN praise something.
@Cal_ Yup, my thoughts exactly.
@LikelySatan Jesus that’s a callback 😭 remember playing that game at a mates back in the day
Looks pretty good to be fair. Just had a look on Eurogamer and they seemed to love it. One to pick up!
So excited for Thursday ! I feared the worst but it's getting fantastic reviews everywhere! I'll be putting all other games on hold
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Thank you for the review - sounds just like what I wanted.
The good thing about “bloated” side quests is that we can just ignore them altogether if we are not feeling it.
As soon as I can finish Metaphor it’s either this or Dragon Quest III
@ShogunRok thanks! These answers are tipping me into the purchase camp
@playstation1995 Right?! So glad to see the haters were wrong. Sure, the game still has some annoying bad sides to it, but it seems to me most of the game is solid, no matter what the trolls might try to say otherwise
@playstation1995 you have to understand that by today's way of judging things, the game itself doesn't have to be "bad" to be considered bad. Just have elements of real world persons/places/things that people don't like and it's "bad". My faith never wavered as far as Dragon Age goes. Even after the disaster that was Dragon Age 2.
@Maubari I wonder which trolls you mean. I don't think this review changed anyone's opinion on the game.
This is not Bioware back to it's old form, it's just better than Andromeda and Anthem. So i don't know what you are so happy about. If the haters were saying that, then they were right. 🤷
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I only ever played through the original Dragon Age. It was fun, but I always heard the second game wasn't great, so I kind of just fell off the Dragon Age series after that. Now I feel like I missed so much, that it'd be hard to jump in now again.
@TooManyBrownies Concord as a 7 is not on the Metal Gear Survive 8/10 level. That’s the one I’ll never let go 😂
I'm curious about the system that regulates companions and their affection/rejection of Rook. Are any quests gated behind an approval rating for Rook? Besides obvious dialog choices, are there "gifts" or any other mechanic for party members?
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The review reads more like a 9.
@DonJorginho One person gave the game an 8 and that automatically makes it good?
That's as shallow as the people who criticized the purple haired characters.
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@Cal_ i'm sure you can just check out the last five reviews and get a general idea since they are all the same game at this point
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@ShogunRok Do you find out what happened to the rest of the Elven Gods?
@Pat_trick I’ve read and watched multiple reviews that have praised the game, I’m not saying it’s a masterpiece, it’s what I said it was, a good game.
People against this game were saying it was going to be a dumpster fire, an 84 MC score isn’t that whatsoever.
Glad to see it's not total garbage, this could have gone either way.
I'll play it when it inevitably comes to one of the services as with all EA games. Makes zero sense to pay full whack for it.
@DogPark So every companion has what is basically an affection level that increases whenever they agree with a dialogue choice, or when you complete a quest with them. And they obviously love it when you complete one of their own companion quests.
But I don't think that affection level has an actual impact on what you can and can't do with them, including quests. Each level that they gain (up to 10) gives them skill points that you can use on their individual skill trees — and I think that's about it.
Basically, it's hard not to end up with all of your companions on high affection levels, as long as you complete their companion quests.
@ShogunRok Interesting. If there’s ever been a game that I wished had a demo, this one is it. I need to find a local friend that bought this to try it out.
@Areus There's a heavy focus on a few of the elven gods, but not all of them.
@DonJorginho Ah, that's more than fair.
Have you seen skill up's review of it? It was much more critical. Not saying they're correct, just a different point of view.
@MrMagic Yeah but also according to Eurogamer and Gamer Rant its 100/100.
Shillup has lost it as far as I'm concerned and Matty plays never had it in the first place.
Pure Xbox has PJ reviewing and he gave it 9/10 too.
Simply quoting a review score at a reviewer as if they must be wrong is a pretty pointless post to make unless you have anything useful to state?
I've been rooting for this one, and though there seems to be some polarised views, reviewers I trust are making the right noises and I like what I see, so I'm tempted to jump in. Might be my first title on the Pro when it arrives....
I hope bioware do OK from this one.
"But even with a few too many Marvel-esque quips being flung about"
oh no.
@Pat_trick I did watch that mate! Was interesting to hear a more negative view point and some of the criticisms made by SkillUp were things that would annoy me, that’s why I love games though and the differences of opinions, like how SkillUp didn’t like TLOU II but I loved it, same with how IGN didn’t like Days Gone or Death Stranding and I loved those, I love how art is so subjective and I adore the debates that spawn from said art.
I’ll definitely have to give DA:TVG a go, I’ve got it coming for release but have so many games to play on the pro first it’ll have to wait lmao
@TheEnygma sadly was always gonna happen with that portal jumper character
@Titntin The game has really bad writing and dialogue so it's definitely not a 10/10 so for that reason alone anyone giving it a 10 definitely cannot be trusted.
Especially Eurogamer, I've long since lost any faith I had in their reviews.
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@DonJorginho Ah, cool! Good to see a positive perspective from someone who's seem a few reviews. Writing was my worse fear because of ME: Andromeda and I'm still on the fence about this one.
@nessisonett oh nooooo, lol.
@DonJorginho yup. I have to ask my boss seven times when the next meeting is, but I remember Jet Brody.
@Pat_trick yeah writing is something that does seem mixed, I’ve seen some reviewers I really respect praise the narrative and dialogue whereas others have pointed out the marvelification of the dialogue that does worry me slightly
I’d check out the Mortismal Gaming review, a good viewpoint from a reviewer I like a lot.
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I haven't decided if this is a day one buy for me yet. I still haven't finished the Dragon Age: Inquisition DLC yet
@DonJorginho Thanks for the tip! I really like him too but I haven't seen his review yet
@MrMagic so you got a pre release version of the game and played it then?
Or are you simply parroting what others have said and actually don't have a clue?
Looks like a new game for my PS5 Pro
As this is Pro enhanced as well.
Shall hold off until 7th of November.
@Titntin I too was hoping this would turn out to be good. I've enjoyed all the dragon age games thus far so I'll be getting this at some point down the line. I've just lost my life to vampire survivors which is just superb and I know you like couch co-op so you should have a butchers at that one 👍
@Northern_munkey
Yeah I play a lot of Vampire survivors! I used to play it on Xbox, but I don't turn that on any more and bought it on PS5. It took some effort, but the wife can now see the attraction
Yeah I wasn't too sure how this would land, but there are some reviewers I trust who really liked it. I normally always agree with PJ on Pure Xbox, and he was very complimentary on this game in his 9/10 review and singled out the dialogue as being exemplary. Its clear its divisive, but given my interest, the fact I want Bioware to succeed and how complementary many of my favourite reviewers are, I figure its well worth a shot!
Got to say I'm shocked at the result. Absolutely EVERYTHING leading up to launch looked absolutely disastrous, and I couldn't understand how people were excited about it. The excessive marketing made it seem even more like they were trying to "buy" acceptance for it. I did not think it was actually going to turn out good! Though I liked Andromeda...so there's that...
Ive found over the years that the greatest review on Earth is a Let's Play. In half an hour I can tell who was lying and who was telling me the truth.
Right now I'm withholding judgement.
I have zero interest in Dragon Age, but it makes me hopeful that Mass Effect 4 will actually turn out to be a great game too.
“Best bioware game since ME3” sounds like a lot, but if you follow gaming scene even badly, you know it really isnt.
Also whats with the giant heads on every character?
@Maubari
I don't think people were saying it was going to be a terrible game mechanics-wise. The complaints seem to be on the aesthetics. Just look at Concord, it wasn't a bad game mechanics wise...it just wasn't pretty to look at. Let's also take a look at the first descendant which push square didn't like...and still did incredibly well. Sometimes a game's look is all it needs to be successful and the popular consensus seems to be that people just don't enjoy this one's look.
@ShogunRok and the rest of the comment section.
I have not played Inquisition. Is it worth checking out before Veilguard? Does it hold up still? Better to play on PC instead of Playstation at this point?
I'm glad the game is good but "best Bioware game since ME3" doesn't mean anything. 😂
Bioware should be pumping out 9s and 10s given what they were doing even 15 years ago. Glad to hear they're back on form though, will see how they've done for myself later this week.
@KundaliniRising333 why does skill up hold more weight than the numerous places that score well?
After all it’s just his opinion as well.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner well for me because it's almost been every single one of his accounts that largely align with what my interpretations of the same games end up being. That's why we all kind of have go to sources of information that we believe to be more credible is it not?
However, that's just me and I get that, but what makes it even more compelling is that he gives examples directly pulled from the game that show what he's talking about criticism or praise. You don't see that in any of these major industry arm reviews. no direct examples like video clips or photos of anything backing up what they're saying. Honestly, a lot of times it makes sense because they're not really saying anything of depth to explain there general conclusions anyways.
And when it comes down to a game like this it's really depth that you need when it's an endeavor that's upwards of 50 hours of ones time to to be invested to complete alongside that $70 price tag.
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Don't really have a horse in this race since I pretty much stopped playing western games, but "Best Bioware game since Mass Effect 3" is a very low bar.
@Maubari Imagine taking IGN as a reviewer seriously.
@Titntin I always read the reviews of games but I always read the comments from the actual gamers (the ones that like the type of game being reviewed) as their opinions are more valid to me than a reviewer who dosnt really like rpg's but had to review it..they won't get it the same way rpg fans would.
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I also encourage everyone to check out Fextralife's most recent video regarding reviews for this game. You'll notice an interesting trend!
@Rjak @RagnarLothbrok We can't speak for every other review outlet but the game has close to 50 reviews on Metacritic. The majority of games media got access to this game — I'm not sure where this argument's even coming from?
And YouTubers clearly got access to the game as well. Skill Up absolutely dumps on it, so if review codes were only sent out to people who would provide positive reviews, that argument doesn't hold up either.
I'll stick with Metaphor.
I completed Inquisition. It was nothing special.
@charbtronic It's a tough one. I really, really liked Inquisition at the time, but I don't think it's held up very well. It's an awkward game in terms of overall design and gameplay structure. The combat's quite messy as well, by today's standards.
I don't think you have to play Inquisition before Veilguard. Veilguard is a continuation in the grand scheme of things, but it's told from a perspective of mostly new characters.
But if you want the full experience, PC is probably the way to go at this point. The PS4 version of Inquisition is fine, but it's an old enough game to the point where it'll perform better on a good PC.
@NEStalgia Trust me, I had low expectations for this as well. I had almost zero faith in BioWare after Andromeda and ANTHEM.
But I think Veilguard is a genuinely great game. Best thing BioWare's done in over a decade (as you'd hope).
@ShogunRok I think that the Dragon Age series have always had memorable companion characters. How does this one shape up?
@ApostateMage I don't think they're on par with Mass Effect's best companions, but who is?
They're among some of the best Dragon Age companions, though, in my opinion. They're solid and endearing.
Nice. Will definitely pick it up but I'm waiting on the Pro before I buy anything new. Space Marine, Silent Hill and Black Myth will be before this.
@ShogunRok I suggest you watch the video made by Fextralife. Anyway, I'll be waiting for more information on this. Like I said, I remember Cyberpunk all too well. This seems like my type of game, but I rarely buy games at launch. Last one was BG3 although that one had the 1st act as early access for quite a while before launching.
The spread seems very positive so far with all but 3 of the 50 reviews on Metacritic being 70% and up. It currently has an 84 Metascore distributed as:
The only really scathing reviews I have seen are from YouTubers SkillUp and MrMattyPlays, yet plenty of other YouTubers like RPG heavy Mortisimal love it... it's currently his personal GOTY. Strong.
@TooManyBrownies We weren't invited to the preview event and we still got a code. In fact, we were really negative on the game's re-reveal CG trailer (which was awful). Again, we still got a code.
I'm not saying publishers don't try and have some control over who gets early access to their games, but if EA really didn't want people to be negative about The Veilguard, they simply wouldn't have sent code to 50+ publications / YouTube channels. That makes no sense.
Codes were also sent out two weeks ahead of this review embargo. Again, not the kind of thing you do if you're worried about a negative reception.
@MrMagic I saw your reply in my email feed mate, even though its been removed.
I dont understand why you are so animated about a game youve not played? Surely as a gamer you accept that some titles wont appeal to you, but may appeal to others? Why would it be your mission to dump on others who may enjoy it, I genuinely dont understand your mentality. If you had played it and felt seriously shortchanged I might understand it.
Please chill mate, I dont normally see you as someone who behaves this way and Im sure we have had some constructive conversations I've enjoyed in the past.
I may get my fingers burnt on this one, but given the various views from those that played it, its worth a punt to me.
Whist I remember Biowares fantastic linage with great affection I can assure you I would not lose any sleep over EA taking a financial hit on it. I worked for them for several years and can confirm all the bad things you ever heard about them!
@TooManyBrownies Luke Stephens was pretty positive about the preview much to the dismay of his audience did not get a code and Dantics who was fairly critcal got one. Mortismal Gaming also got a code and is generally even handed and not afraid to call out flaws or bad practices. It's a 7-8 game for those who like action RPGs with light RPG mechanics, for others they are better off playing BG3.
@TooManyBrownies Feels like you WANT this game to fail for some reason. Plenty of people who were negative about the preview got codes. As for number of reviews this is a 50+ hour RPG, yet one thing several reviewers have said is it came in quite late and they had less than 2 weeks to review it, so many are likely going to be late. Lastly whether a game fails of not has little to do with review scores, plenty of 9s have failed financially and plenty of 6s have made a killing.
@themightyant I keep reading that Skillup condemned it, so out of curiosity I checked for the video. The one I saw was the one after the press preview in LA, but in that he was praising it. Weird if he has a new video condemning it.
Actually glad Dragon Age turned out well. After hearing some very strange I figured the whole game would be garbage, but is good news for the fans of the series! Sneaking into an actual GOOD game is a much better strategy than say a Dustborn or Concord. Still not my cup of tea though
Okay - the game will be to my liking, I think.
The reviews read like it is Inquisition, but a weeee bit more Action Adventure? I initially wanted a more cRPG-feel to Inquisition but have bought all DLC and replayed it again and again. So this game MUST be for me.
I am consumed with doubt, but all signs (except for 6-10 metacritic scores) are positive.
Good to see that Veilguard is getting good reviews, can’t wait to play it myself whenever Amazon ships my copy. I also wonder what game the anti-woke jihadist will pile onto next, I guess there’s horizon coming out next mouth.
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@EfYI Yeah, Inquisition but more streamlined, and with action combat, is a pretty accurate way to describe Veilguard.
Great review and thrilled to see that score!Loved all the other Dragon Age so I'm excited for another meaty quest in the series.
@TooManyBrownies Did Black Myth give out codes to twice as many people? Based on what... the number of Day 1 review scores? Shall we look at that then...
On August 16th the day the review embargo dropped for Black Myth Wukong it had 54 reviews on Metacritic (internet archive from the 16th) AFTER release that number increased to 91 reviews.
Today, the day the embargo dropped for Dragon Age, there are already 50 reviews. With some coming in late this will likely be very similar to BMW by the end of the day. Certainly nothing like your claim... unless you have some other facts?
As for people not receiving codes. Which people? Fextralife? ACG? Wolfheart? Who else? Not everyone always gets codes, this is true for every game. Meanwhile plenty of reviewers who were positive about the preview, like Luke Stephens, ALSO didn't get codes and some that were negative, like TheGamer, did. That is hardly evidence of some mass conspiracy at EA, but if you're looking to see patterns you will see them. Confirmation bias.
To my Push Square family: I thought the culture wars were bad over here. But I dared to venture elsewhere to get other opinions on this game and its reviews. I see now that we are a tame bunch. Though we sometimes go off the rails. It's nothing compared to what I just read. Yikes! Is nothing immune to this sort of discourse?!
@ShogunRok How accessible is this game to people pretty much completely new to Dragon Age? Witcher 3 was very accessible to newbies, is this game, too?
@Fyz306903 Yeah, The Witcher 3 is a decent comparison. There are storylines and plot points that carry over from Inquisition, but the story is told from the perspective of mostly new characters.
I think you can play this game with no prior Dragon Age knowledge and still enjoy it. And if you do find yourself wondering about some story stuff, a quick read of Inquisition's plot summary would probably suffice.
Overall, I'd say Veilguard does a good job of relaying its story in a way that's quite easy to pick up.
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I haven't played a Dragon Age game since Origins so I may pick this up in the future.
@ShogunRok is this friendly to newcomers? I've only played a little bit of Inquisition so I don't know much about the series.
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@KillerBoy at the risk of kicking off a new, and unnecessary, argument here. I must say. When I see someone mention "Too much political propaganda". It usually just means "Not my desired form of political propaganda".
@Fartingale but if your a gamer and im 52 i dont give a toss what anyone else thinks of a game i like it or dont like it, you sound like kid in playground snes vs megadrive. like everything in life people have different opinions when you get 52 your mehhhhhh i dont care if you disagree with me i respect your view right or wrong and i dont give a flying monkey what you think of my opinion.
@TooManyBrownies gave Veilgaurd a 1/10 rating LMAO! How bro?! You haven't even played it! Then when people call you out for being too overly emotional about this one you have the nerve to give'em the old "Nuh uuh!!!"
You can make your argument without carry on the way you are. Not every game that's made will appeal to you. There's no reason to get upset when others like or will like a game that you're not interested in.
@Enuo I'll just paste my reply to a very similar question (for the record though, I don't expect you or anyone else to read all of the other comments!)
"There are storylines and plot points that carry over from Inquisition, but the story is told from the perspective of mostly new characters.
I think you can play this game with no prior Dragon Age knowledge and still enjoy it. And if you do find yourself wondering about some story stuff, a quick read of Inquisition's plot summary would probably suffice.
Overall, I'd say Veilguard does a good job of relaying its story in a way that's quite easy to pick up."
@NEStalgia SkillUp properly dunks on it in his video. He's one of my go-to reviewers but every now and again he puts out a review where he just rants about a game going balls deep - he did the same for FFXVI and Deathloop, he really didn't like those either.
My take is he's usually less balanced in these videos where all you can hear is him ranting incessantly. Takes one to know one E.g. In this review he spends the first 10 minutes almost solely going on about the graphical style and seems unable to see anything positive in the game past that. While he is of course entitled to his own opinion - if he didn't like the game, he didn't like the game - but whenever I hear him in rant mode like this I take it with a larger grain of salt than usual. He's occasionally the same the other way when he's overly praising a game too and is making it sound like GOTY material. Again his view is his own, but either way I take these reviews of his with a larger grain of salt than usual.
The thing I've noticed all these ranty reviews have in common is he is usually reviewing the game as he wanted it to be, and not how it actually is. E.g. His Deathloop review is filled with saying it isn't the Prey DLC Mooncrash over and over. He has previous!
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@TooManyBrownies https://imgur.com/a/7YnT9BO
Maybe the hate is subconscious?
@AhmadSumadi HAHAHAHA! Busted!
@themightyant lol it's even marked under "Have". Why's he mad other reviewers didn't get it when he can just review the game himself? He already "has" it.
@TooManyBrownies You remember the Eminem song when he's like "You just tripped, fell, and landed on his..." THAT'S YOU RIGHT NOW!
That's gotta be the most convenient "miss click" ever!
@TooManyBrownies It's fine. You owe me no explanation whatsoever. ✌🏾
@themightyant It's good to see someone with critical thinking on the internet, seems a lost cause these days so have a lovely cookie 🍪 ❤️
Is there build making in this game? Curious about playing this, but I'm worried about the RPG elements being TOO light.
@GilgaMax309 The skill trees are really well done — you need to actually think about where you're putting your points, and so character builds are definitely a key part of progression.
It's only for your own character, though. You can't tweak your companions as much, outside of equipment (that has perks) and smaller skill trees that decide your companions' available attacks in battle.
The combat has enough depth to justify a good deal of build tinkering, I think.
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@ShogunRok That's great to know! As long as there's a form of making your own playstyle, I can definitely get behind that. The companions don't bother me as much though, thankfully.
How's the overall content and length of the game looking too? I'm all about 100% completion lol
@themightyant SkillUp definitely does go all in at both ends of the scale like you say. I liked that in this review he spends the last couple of minutes encouraging people who are disappointed by his opinion to go out and seek more positive ones, to help them determine if the game is for them. He never claims to be right, or the only opinion. That's why I always enjoy his reviews. Compared to the gushing review from Eurogamer it's an interesting contrast, with PushSquare's take sitting somewhere in the middle. Opinions, eh?
Maybe after Metaphor Fantastico. (Which is quickly becoming a contender for my GOTY)
@Fartingale i love rainbows found the end of one once. my grandmothers brother was a rainbow when you got jailed for it we all knew and we all loved him and his partner and guess what we all miss them both. being gay isnt a new thing
@Marquez completely agree. It’s why despite not liking his more ranty reviews I still go to him for reviews and respect him. Though a bit of it is also sensible self preservation, whenever he goes hard on a potentially popular game he gets ripped apart on social media.
Why are people hating on this game and the reviews it is receiving? To those saying there are “shills” that got paid to give this game a positive score, why are there some reviews that are negative then? And either way, why does it matter? If the game is good then it is good, plain and simple. I hate how modern gaming culture is always so dang depressing and negative. It’s either, “This game is trash” or “Someone gave a Ubisoft game a decent score? They must be shills!”. “You like Call of Duty? Then you must have bad taste in games!”. It is always something. Why not simply read reviews from those you trust and make your opinion based on that? This game sounds right up my alley so I’ll definitely pick it up. BioWare made a good game—can’t we be happy about that?
Well….I was writing this one off because I bounced off Inquisition really hard-I thought it was quite boring. But this review makes me interested (I love Mass Effect 2 BioWare), and all the reviews I have read seem positive. So maybe I need to add it to the old wish list.
Damn-the list of games I want to play/backlog keeps growing while my time to play keeps shrinking!
@ShogunRok that's a shame, but at least there's the skill points.
@Kraven Yeah, I've noticed that too and it's really getting to me to be honest. These people.. have no opinion of their own and just follow the ''path that most people'' are taking - in this case, it's negativity. I definitely plan on going offline once Veilguard comes out, just to not having to deal with all this negativity around it
@Maubari Exactly! I might go offline too. And it sucks because of the negativity around it, especially when it appears to be a pretty darn good game.
@GilgaMax309 It took me just over 80 hours to see everything on a single playthrough. Some of the side quests are a little tedious and not as well developed as the main story stuff, but if you enjoy the combat and general flow of gameplay, I don't think that'll bother you too much.
I think it's a fairly fun game to 100%, and the Trophy list isn't overly difficult.
Music to my ears. One of my favourites Origins is so this be a shoe in 😁
@Kraven
How dare you like a game that I won't be playing!
I need to make sure everyone knows of my hate for it. I hope the devs and their families all lose their job! 😡
Or something like that. How did I do? 😂
The real, valid complaints I've found are: past decisions don't matter except for a few. That's a bummer.
The combat is too action-oriented. Fair enough but I actually like that. I never played Dragon Age for the combat.
@Maubari @Kraven Unconstructive negativity is exhausting. For what it's worth, though, extreme takes — on both sides of a particular spectrum — are always from vocal minorities.
Case in point, the number comments on this review make up a fraction of its total views. Most readers simply visit the page and leave. And it'll be the same story across all the other reviews and videos about the game.
If you're looking forward to something, it's just not worth submerging yourself in online discourse. And that works both ways: blindly hating on a game you haven't played — and likely will never play — isn't worth the mental toll. Best to just close the browser and do something you enjoy.
But this is gaming on the internet, and it's very serious business.
@ShogunRok much appreciated
I think these comments are convincing me to play this game more than the review itself lmao
@HotGoomba sure you will
@Lup You did excellent! 😅
Yeah, some complaints are valid. Personally, I don’t mind this type of combat. And as for decisions not being carried over — it’s been a decade, so I can’t even remember my choices to begin with. From the reviews I’ve read, the choices you make in this game do have meaning and consequences to them, so it sounds like a plus to me.
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Wooo. I know shouldn't live life away but can't wait til Thursday to play.
Where do people find the complainers about “purple hair”? Sometimes I feel like I live under a rock or maybe it’s good as it shows I’m not online all the time.
I’ve never played a Dragon game, I have Origins and was debating on starting it since it looks up my ally.
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@DonJorginho yeah. This is why I never listen to the opinion of reviewers in if a game is good or not and NEVER care about scores. I read / watch reviews to get a list of pros / cons and detailed explanations of game mechanics or game features. Because, like you, I liked games many have not. If a game is good or is subjective. Sometimes other people's pros are my cons.
This is why I never understand why people look at scores and get excited "they gave it a 4/4“. So? Even in this review bloated side quests are a con, but I personally enjoy that.
@LifeGirl what if someone says "this game feels bad/good?" I can tell you there's been several times that I've seen gameplay and thought something looked really middling, but came around hard when I put my hands on the game. Hotline Miami is probably the go to example for me. The other end is something like Xenoblade or Isaac, which looked great but I couldn't stand the way they felt to play.
@TheEnygma Reddest of red flags.
I hope this is good for Bioware because I'm a BIG fan of their legacy crpgs but I don't think I'm going to be trying this one out, its more of an action spinoff than what Dragon Age was suppossed to be in Origins (if there ever was a series with a serious personality issue is this one)
@ShogunRok I can't believe no one asked these yet:
Thanks!
Yeaah, the old bioware is gone, when skillup said that the dialogue is safe like when HR is in the room with the characters, you know the studio is gone. Bioware is like ship of theseus, all the old guard is gone, at this point it's only bioware by name.
@nessisonett I think we should all wait until 'fans' get their hands on it in a meaningful sense before saying too much about fans liking it. I think this is a game that will take some time for people to process through.
@themightyant sorry - you're saying he's wrong (SkillUp) in his opinion... of what he thought about the game? I don't know whether he's an outlier or not - but that's not a bad thing - but I didn't find it "ranty"... I think he just found it tiring and poor quality. The thing that I took out from his review was - the game is clearly marketed at a new generation (because everything in this game just yells casual players). That's fine - but how can a role-playing game actually not provide 'your role playing'.?
I don't know where Veilguard stands compared to ME, but I am getting very strong "Horizon Forbidden West" vibes from this in terms of poor writing / dumbification / playing-it-totally-safe. It might still be a cool game, but I think there's a modern trend in gaming that actually just puts some people off.
At the end of the day - one person doesn't make "the truth of all gaming"... and we should all take a deep breath, and let a range of voices.
Dang, can't believe this game review has hundreds of comments.
I'm not interested to played it because the character design and gameplay aren't my up of tea. But i guess congrats to Bioware for making a decent game again after big flops like Anthem and ME Andromeda.
@ShogunRok
You may not have had chance to look at this for review, but how do the 3 fighting classes stack up - mage, warrior, rogue (I think!).
Are there standouts, do they feel different, and can you change mid game (I am assuming not). Many thanks.
There seems a lot of negativity on YouTube about this game, with some pretty big view numbers (I dont really use social media) - I hope this doesnt impact sales of what from your review sounds a decent game.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare No! Absolutely not. I made it very clear his opinion is his own and as valid as anyone else’s. If he didn’t like the game he didn’t like the game. That’s cool.
However being a fan of Ralph’s channel and having watched virtually all his reviews in the last 5+ years I do see a pattern for a few of his harsher reviews where he seems to focus on comparing the game to what he wanted it to be, not what it actually is. I personally find those reviews of his less balanced than his usual takes.
I.e. in this one he spends a large portion trying to hammer home issues like the visual style and how it used to be better in DA:I or ME2… did that really need a 10 minute segment? His Deathloop video is similar, though worse, where he spends most of the review saying it’s not Prey Mooncrash part 2, which is what he wanted. Yet that’s not the game in front of him, review what it actually is, not what you wanted it to be. One of the reasons I go to his channel first is for the good writing but also the balance, and the later seems less present here to me.
Ultimately I think a range of voices is a good thing, I just find his reviews like this less balanced and fair than his others. More of a rant because he’s disappointed and not up to his usual high bar. That’s just MY take, there is no more truth to it than his or anyone else’s opinion. They are all valid. But it is a repeating patten I’ve observed, and when I see it I take those reviews with a larger pinch of salt than usual, because after I’ve played the games these are the ones I disagree with him on most. E.g. TLOU2, Deathloop and FFXVI which he also hated. Opinions eh?
@ShogunRok thanks for the review! I saw one preview likening the combat to that Guardians of the Galaxy game — which was a blast! Does it feel similar?
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@ShogunRok I'll just come out and ask. Does Veilguard have full/customizable nudity in a similar vein as Baldur's Gate 3 and if not then what are we looking at.
@themightyant I know exactly what you mean and as a long time viewer of Skill Up's channel, I definitely agree he can dislike games to the extent that his reviews stop being as balanced as they usually are. I continue to appreciate him as probably my favourite reviewer, but I do wish he could sometimes take a step back and let the heat of the moment pass, so to speak.
But like you say, it's his opinion and he still goes to great lengths to explain it, so fair enough. What annoys me more is that he is starting to attract a following that treat his reviews as gospel. The sentiment seems to be that he's the only one with any integrity and the rest are all shills.
That's not how opinions work either, the rest of them aren't any less valid. I think his disclaimer at the start, that it's just his opinion, is just as relevant to that line of thinking than it is to those who start hating on him.
@themightyant ok... to be devils advocate... after watching a few of the "favourable" reviews... a lot of the reviews talk about completely different things than Ralph; there could be (at least) two reasons: 1) they didn't find those gaming aspects problematic; 2) they don't actual find those gaming aspects interesting/important... or perhaps they just didn't try to do the things he did. For me... once again... a game like Veilguard not allowing you to actually properly role-play is a probem. I mean, ME had a good stab at it... though it was also pretty superficial if I'm being honest... I can't really recall much from Inquisition (which says a lot about my memory/interest in older DA). His review just so resonated with my own frustration at the dumbing down and Disneyfication of gaming... where you can't be nasty, even if it's to play a role.
I still don't think he was ranting, but I do think he was trying hard to put his view across. I suspect he knew his review would be outside the programmed envelope. And no - I don't mind if people love the game, and it sells well. I just would like gaming overall to once again treat gamers like adults. Hopefully it does... though I also think, maybe that wasn't the plan (and maybe they just wanted to appeal to a MCU-generation of fans).
Edit - and yes, TLOUp2 is one of my favourite games... but I can also see why people might dislike it legitimately (not just because of "those" story twists). Likewise, I actually really enjoyed Deathloop... until about 2/3 the way through the game, when I suddenly felt like it played more like a Ground-Hog-Day-Sim rather than a rogue-lite (and the ending of the game was truly atrociously slapped together IMO). We all have different games we like, and the thing is to understand (or try to) where their arguments are coming from. That way, you get an idea of how much to weight their views against your own.
@Ainu20 I do think there's a new wave of YT-bers that are trying to counter-program the "grifters" on both sides of the cultural wars... where they put themselves as the "the truth before all else"... and I'm sure that's a business plan (at least in part). Edit - to be fair however, I have found most of the reviews for DA:TVg to be extremely superficial... and don't really touch on how the game actually plays (but the same could be said for most reviews if I'm being honest).
I also think there are some people that are genuinely trying to say something meaningful... in a market that is increasingly polarised. For me... SkillUp (Ralph) often comes across as a bit condescending in terms of his "gaming creds"... but he definitely plays a lot, but I don't think this always translates well to a good review.
In cases like this though - I think gamers are seeing what they WANT TO SEE from reviewers (favourable or unfavourable). That's why I think people should all just take a lay-down, let some time pass, before we take it all too seriously.
I for one don't know what to think about Veilguard, other than that I haven't seen anything that actually makes me that interested. Which is on me (and their PR department, perhaps).
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Yeah that is fair. And a common thread between SkillUp and MrMattyPlays videos is they were trying to be an arsehole in the game and it wouldn't let them. I CAN see that being annoying if that is your intention. But lets also be real, most RPGs don't truly give you freedom they give you the facade of freedom but really it's just a limited set of choices often with minimal consequence.
Moreover if the developers choice in this game is you are a paragon, a uniter of people, and you can't be a complete dick then that is their creative choice. I don't see that as a problem necessarily, not every RPG has to have a -100% to +100% hero (rogue/paragon) feature, it's just what these reviewers wanted.
And there absolutely are fair points in his video, I just thought it was a bit more incessantly negative than his usual fare, without the usual balance he offers which is one of my reasons for going there first. He even made a point near the end that he wasn't giving constructive criticism. Perhaps after playing the game I will lean more on his view, who knows, but from my experience with the other games mentioned I usually don't when he's in this mode.
@themightyant I think perhaps that their point is - BioWare kinda made it their calling-card... and while they're free to change their gaming style, it's also fair that a lot of players really liked playing good vs bad character roles (it added to the replayability and finding very different takes on the game story).... from what I understood, Dragon Age used to be much more flexible than Mass Effect (not just the "renegade vs paragon black and white solution)."
I think the balance is that there's a lot of videos that just come across as obsequious in the extreme... as there are some that seem to be 'wanting it to fail'. There's always going to be super-fans, and hyper-critics... the challenge is reading between the lines.
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@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Completely agree about reading between the lines. This game in particular is a minefield with far too many bad faith takes. Too many pre-decided it was bad for a variety of reasons and are vocally making themselves heard, and in response far too many are over defending it. It makes it harder to see what is real fair criticism.
To be clear I wasn't saying the game itself isn't flawed, it might be, only saying that as a fan of SkillUp I see a theme in his videos when he is really disappointed in a game he goes balls deep into trashing it and is less balanced than usual.
I'll have to wait to find out how I feel about the game, but first I need to play the Inquisition DLC which I bought about 10 years ago! Maybe get to this next year!
BioWare developed Baldurs Gate, Baldurs Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, KotOR..
How the great have fallen...
@Ainu20 You articulated that far better and more succinctly than I did. lol. Completely agree. I just want him to come up for air and see the bigger picture sometimes.
But I also get it when we are disappointed in a game and it doesn't meet our expectations it's hard to not to compare it to what we wanted it to be. I did similar for Starfield, comparing it unfavourably to Elder Scrolls and Fallout... the key difference is i'm not a professional reviewer putting my view out for millions.
Also agreed some treating his reviews, or others, as gospel and suggesting everyone else is a shill. Sad to see, and clearly something Ralph is actively trying to disabuse them of by bookending his video with a warning at both ends that there are multiple truths. Opinions are always subjective.
Aww, they removed the blood splatter? It isn’t a big deal, but that really added to a scene when characters are talking passionately while covered in dark spawn blood. Sometimes, it’s the little things.
Something feels off about these reviews.
I'm going to wait and see what the player consensus is. Fextralife's "The TRUTH about Dragon Age Veilguard" video was very eye opening and I'm going to wait for his review and others before jumping in.
@KeenAerondight Same, most of the reviewers I follow, for their similar tastes and generally non-sensational reviews, outright dislike the game. No harm in waiting a couple of days as to make an informed decision.
@QiaraIris Based on my playthrough, romance is handled like it is in most other BioWare games, where you can flirt with every character, but you'll need to commit to a relationship with just one of them at some point. This seems to happen after you complete their personal quests.
You can completely reset your skill points (and your companions) at any time through the skill menu and respec.
Crafting is very minimal this time around. You find materials out in the levels, but you only use them to upgrade existing equipment. I barely used any crafting in my playthrough — the stat increases you get from upgrading are minor overall.
As for role-playing, Rook's race, background, etc. do have a big impact on a lot of the game's dialogue, which is cool because it makes character creation feel meaningful.
But at the same time, your actual story-defining decisions rarely carry much weight. You know how in Mass Effect, almost every mission would give you a choice at the end on how to proceed (Paragon and Renegade restrictions aside)? The Veilguard feels like it should do something similar — especially when deciding the fate of bad guys — but it hardly ever happens.
Hope that helps!
@Weez @KeenAerondight From our perspective, there was absolutely zero difference between how we handled this review compared to any other game we've ever reviewed.
Again, the game now has over 50 critic reviews — including plenty of YouTube channels — and you simply don't give that many people access if there's something to hide.
I don't know the details of what's happened with FextraLife, but the insinuation that this game has some kind of dark secret is bordering on conspiracy theory.
Absolutely nothing felt "off" about us getting a code for this game, and me taking two weeks to review it, before writing a 1,500 word article. Literally the same as any other game!
@themightyant I didn't see it as "trying to be an arsehole". More, just not being entirely supplicative and endlessly accommodating.
It's a legitimate complaint, IMO. Dragon Age is an established dark fantasy franchise, not a family friendly Disney production after all.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
> think perhaps that their point is - BioWare kinda made it their calling-card.
This. Coupled with the radical shift in tone and changes in gameplay, I feel some trepidation is more than justified. That's not to say it'll be bad, just that anyone not wishing to indulge in mindless consumerism can wait a day or two to confirm it's something they actually want to play.
@Rich33 The three classes all have similarities in the way they control, but each of them feels very unique to actually play.
Warrior is exactly what you think; you've got access to a block with a shield and you can spec into things like parries and buffs. Always in the thick of the battle, etc.
Rogue is close to Warrior in terms of melee but you build 'momentum' to power your skills and your available special attacks tend to be high damage and tricky.
Mage is the most 'unique' class because your basic staff attacks are magic projectiles. It's quite slow and you need to think about distance a lot. But your skills are all devastating magic spells, and your secondary weapon is a combination of a magical orb and a dagger.
There's actually a lot of depth to how each class can play, depending on the skills and specialisations that you unlock.
@Orochilocka Honestly, it's not a bad comparison. It's similar in that the focus is very much on your character, and your companions are there for the sake of their skills, letting you combo with them.
The combat system isn't as weakness-focused as GotG — it's more traditional action with an emphasis on blocks, dodges, parries — but the overall rhythm isn't far off.
@ShogunRok @ShogunRok I didn't suggest there was, only that I would hold off on purchasing it until an informed decision could be made. There needn't be conspiracy involved for press consensus to not align with my subjective taste in games. It happens all the time.
For that reason, I make a habit of following individual reviewers with similar tastes; The prestige or popularity of a publication matters little if they frequently endorse titles I don't enjoy.
@Type_Trubbish You can customise your character's body quite extensively — build, height, chest size, butt size, bulge size (it's actually called that).
Actual genitals and stuff, though? You can't do anything on that front. There is nudity in the game, but it's quite limited; just breasts and bums in very specific scenes.
Sounds excellent. Much better than I expected, actually.
This is going to be my Christmas present to myself.
Considering that mass effect 2 and inquisition are some of my all time favourites, this sounds just perfect.
@Weez Of course, even as a reviewer I'd never tell people to take my individual review — or anyone else's — as gospel. Always wise to look around for more opinions. Same with anything you spend your money on, really!
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@ShogunRok My comment wasn't intended to impugn your review - in fact I haven't read it or watched the video. I was simply speaking to the general atmosphere of positivity among the mainstream review community, which seems to be at good odds with what early-access reviewers and trusted YouTubers have reported.
That said, I will check out your review after posting this.
@Maubari also got a 5 and 6 a from other sites whats your point
@ShogunRok
Thank you.
Sounds like decent replayability from a combat perspective too then.
May just wait to play for a week until my Pro is delivered though!
@ShogunRok dissapointing. Not that it's a big deciding factor in whether I buy a game but I do like when games treat you like an adult and don't shy away from that type of thing especially when the game is already rated 18 as it is.
Thank you for your detailed reply as well.
@Titntin I'm happy you like what you see, good for you and I've watched plenty of reviews and videos about this game because I like the old dragon age games but I definitely don't like what I see with this one so I'm going to let that be known just like how you're saying I'm looking forward to it or you're going to give it a chance.
Unfortunately for you, you can't silence people. If you can't handle any criticism of the game then just ignore my comments on articles about this game, that should be simple enough right.
@Weez Is Dragon Age dark fantasy? Only in the lightest possible way, it's not been very dark and gritty for a while. Inquisition was certainly pretty light other than a few darker aspects in the world (The blight etc) but characterisation has been pretty jolly since DA2 through DA:I and now onto this.
But I also get it. It's similar complaints to every successive Bioware/Bethesda/etc. RPG that they are dumbing down the RPG elements and choices. I said it for Mass Effect 2 and Oblivion, yet all in all they were better games overall. Not that this will please everyone... but you can't.
What a difference a few days makes. Wow, coming back to this after seeing all of the push-back online has been interesting.
@ShogunRok That helps, thank you!
You are right though, in the world where Baldur's Gate 3 exist (which arguably is the peak of an RPG right now), Veilguard will definitely be found wanting by majority of people. But I'm just glad that at least based on this review, Bioware is attempting to capture their old magic back.
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@ShogunRok Don't engage with those that act like paid reviews are 'fact' or whatever. 99% of us rational human beings know it's nonsense. People like that have been moaning for years and will continue to do so regardless of what anyone says - they always know better. If I were Bioware and had paid you for a review score, I'd be on the phone complaining that it's only an 8!
The game looks decent. I don't have much affinity for the series but I do love Mass Effect. There have been quite a lot of turn based RPGs this year so I'm looking for something more action based. I'll likely wait until a sale and chip away at my backlog some more.
@themightyant Origins certainly was, and truthfully I'm still hoping for a "true" sequel to it.
While less atmospheric, apocalyptic and grotesque, qualities I missed in 2, it still maintained some of the oppressive atmosphere; Mundane hopelessness, if you will. It also had a number of legitimate gut-punches. I certainly wouldn't call In Hushed Whispers heroic fantasy. I would call the overwhelming majority of Inquisition exactly that.
My concern from the outset, with that god awful announcement trailer, has been that Veilguard will steer further in that direction - with rapid-fire whedonisms and bright flashes of color to mark the franchise's transformation into yet another generic, overly "safe" fantasy action property.
Given Bioware's trajectory as of late, the gameplay footage and writing I have seen (albeit with limited context) and that there's no reason not to wait, I'll do exactly that, is all.
@Jey887 Haha, if I was being paid for reviews, I would have been able to retire by now with the sheer number I've written over the years.
@ShogunRok Thank you for the review a lot. As a big DA fan I can't wait to get my hands on it and I'm fine with the changes they made. Is it fair to say it's more Action-Adventure than RPG game now?
@Khwarezm89 Yes and no. It's definitely not an out-and-out action adventure because there's still a lot of scope for role-playing, even if it's a bit limited compared to past games.
Plus, you get loads of choice in how you build your character, through skills and equipment. In that sense, it's still very much an RPG.
But at the same time, it's more streamlined in terms of overall game design. It really reminds me of God of War (2018) — but then you could argue that God of War adopted so many RPG elements!
So is Veilguard and action-adventure? Yes, but only in the same way that say, Mass Effect is. I'd personally categorise it as an RPG with an action focus.
@Titntin have you actually watched Skill up review? I think you "lost it" if you think this game is any good. It's basically a Disney/ Fortnite Dragon Age. You can't say anything bad, no consequences, no evil dialog options and combat is repetitive. Companions don't even have health bars. And your character talks to companions like they are freaking toddlers. Oh, and they can't even get mad at you and disagree with you.
I kinda take issue with the comparative reviewing that’s going on.
Are we now going to do this thing where reviewers say about every game with rpg elements: ‘well it’s not Baldur’s Gate 3 so… that’s two marks off’???
THEY’RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAMES.
I’m sorry but we did this with Elden Ring. Through very tinted glasses may I add. For at least a year every open world wasn’t Elden Ring so… (I didn’t even think Elden Ring’s game world was quite as incredible as a lot of critics made out either.)
Just seems to me to be a very warped way to look at games, picking the current critic’s darling and weighing literally everything up against it, despite the fact they’re not trying to even be similar.
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@Anguspuss yeah i probably wont
Or will I...?
I see a storm- a very familiar storm, brewing on the horizon.
Skill Up said that he ended up changing the difficulty down to easy just so he could get through the combat quicker because it was so tedious. You'll be fighting the exact same enemies using the exact same moves at the end of the game as you were at the beginning. I remember doing the same thing myself in FFXVI.
I've noticed that in a lot of the reviews, like Rob says in this review, is that the dialogue is all very safe and that only a couple of player choices made throughout the whole game actually matter.
@ShogunRok As someone who loved the ME trilogy but couldn't get into Dragon Age Inquisition and hasn't played the other DA games. Would this be a better fit?
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@DenzelDM DA games died after 2 Inquisition was boring as hell and this is the same check SkillUps review
@Nakatomi_Uk I have and I get he hates it, but he's also one of the only reviewers that feels that way. It's valid, but one point of view among many.
I've never played the first two games so have zero interest in similar tone. From what I've seen the action looks like it could be fun and so I'm just asking someone who's played the game
@DenzelDM I think so, yes. Can't really speak for your taste in the fantasy setting and the overall tone of the game, but this is the closest Dragon Age has ever been to Mass Effect in terms of game design and structure.
The action combat and focus on curated missions makes it feel a lot like Mass Effect in the way that it's paced and presented.
A lot of independent reviewers I trust are throwing up some big red flags for this game.
Sticking points seem to be the extremely simplified combat, the Disney-esque art design, and juvenile writing/dialogue. Sounds way far off the mark for me.
One thing is for sure, this game is going to be divisive down the road. I'll have to wait and see where the reviews actually land in a few weeks, especially considering some accusations floating about Bioware / EA engaged in access journalism and declined to provide review code to outlets that gave middling feedback to the preview event.
Then again, Mortismal Gaming loved it and he is a CRPG freak. I usually line up with his tastes pretty close. I guess it's just wait and see at this point.
I am legitimately confused at this point haha. I guess I will have to do the unthinkable and just formulate my own opinion.
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@Neptunes this is a totally inappropriate comment - it's the sort of hate-filled rubbish that just gives fuel to the fire. People need be able to have discussions without resorting to this sort of fake argument. You are also literally part of the problem... we can't talk about the quality of gaming, and what gaming should aim to do - without people getting angry on the extremes. This is LITERALLY just hate.
@ApostateMage so I saw the same review... and it also made me really question the game's combat cred... but then I also reflected on how I played Elden Ring (I cheesed so much, and just grinded until I didn't need to worry about anything...and the game was perfectly happy with me doing that). My point is - I get what Ralph was saying, but I also think it depends on who you are, and how you play. I got platinum on ER, and I'm not going to say I am so great... but I had a great time, and loved the game. But I'm no "no-summons" shill.
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@ShogunRok Amazing! It's going on the christmas list then ^^
@Orochilocka I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the way you are talking to people is the same... with intolerance. You can't expect people to be inclusive if you use exclusive language (just because you think you are right). You can disagree with people, but what you wrote was in the same tone of the people you are disagreeing with. Even if they are wrong (in your view), it doesn't help any discussion to be nasty to individuals.
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@ShogunRok What class did you play as? Did you get a chance to try all three out? Based on your experience and that of others you may have chatted with, is there a class that feels more fun (or OP) to play?
I realize these are all highly personal questions, but in DA:I, Warrior was boring to play, Mage was OP, and Rogue seemed to have the best gameplay. I'm torn on which class to pick in DA:VG.
Thank you for the well written review.
@Bdbrady Yeah I've ended up spending a lot of time with all three classes for the sake of writing guides!
It's hard to say whether any of them feel genuinely overpowered at this point, although I'm sure it won't be long until players find ways to exploit damage output, etc.
I think in terms of general feel, they're all quite satisfying to play. I'm summarising here, but Warriors are the most straightforward class with an emphasis on parries and heavy attacks (but they're really crunchy).
Rogues have quick sword attacks and can rely on bow headshots to deal huge damage — they're all about skillful play.
Mages are probably the most technical class in terms of positioning and resource management, but their abilities tend to be devastating.
It might all come down to what kind of rhythm you want combat to have. Rogues are fast, Warriors are middle of the road, and Mages are relatively slow — that's across stuff like attack speed, resource generation, and ability spamming capabilities.
But yeah, each class feels very unique in terms of feel, which is the important thing. I also wrote up this guide that goes into more detail, if you think it'll be helpful: https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/dragon-age-the-veilguard-best-character-class-and-faction
I'm enjoying my time with the game 6 hours in
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User rating 3.7?? It's obviously not that bad come on. Review bombing is childish and helps nobody.
I've watched lots of reviews on this, as it's the genre I tend to like, and it just seems crazy how far apart so many professional game-reviewers are with their opinions.
After Witcher 3 - which I only played recently - this does seem quite tame / childish for my tastes, maybe I'm just too old for what the developers were going for.
Why can't I put newest posts to the top?
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A Decent Game with terrible dialogue makes it hard to stick with.
I've just finished the game. not sure i agree with the review. I thought it was a poor game overall, great ending though, i preferred inquisition in every way. I was really rooting for bioware to get back on track with this one, i guess the wait goes on.
@Steel76 Yeah, the cringe (even if you leave out the controversial ones) is next level. I'm so confused how people don't see it or maybe just don't want to see it.
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