Intr1n5ic

I think they're taking the piss a bit here, but I can currently get £232 for my PS5 from CEX making the pro £468 which makes things a lot more palatable.

It's good but I wouldn't put it in my top 3.

@HonestHick If the rumors are true, Microsoft might get the jump on next gen with a 2026 release of their next console. Gears is expected late next year, but could easily get pushed in to 2026 as well. It might end up being a fantastic showpiece for the next Xbox.

I feel like that's one of those legacy franchises that should never get ported, but who knows what their plans are these days.

I imagine Yves Guillemot is perched on a viewpoint right now watching this all unfold around him.

@NEStalgia

Jim was very much a "this worked before, lets keep doing it until it doesn't" kind of guy.

Was he? Wouldn't that imply the PS4 Pro met their expectations? I also don't believe a lot of the contracts you mentioned would have been in place when he announced his retirement last year, the dev kits weren't even in circulation at that point.

@LogicStrikesAgain You're not wrong, but I don't ever see a point where Sony doesn't ensure a game runs well on the base model. The uproar would be a lot worse if the pro was a necessary requirement for any title.

@NEStalgia A lot of great points, I'm not sure about this though

honestly I think the fact that it exists probably comes down to a leftover Jim blunder that was too far along to cancel.

I don't think Sony have ever shown hesitation to cancel anything.

The PS4 Pro also did a lot better than people give it credit for. It sold 14.3 million units in the four years it was being manufactured. Not incredible numbers, but you have to remember it was specifically aimed at 4k tv sets, which weren't as commonplace in 2016 as they are now, and it's last year was in the run up to a new generation.

Sony will know it's niche and have targets reflecting that. If the improvements can demonstate it's worth, it will probably hit whatever those numbers are.

@NEStalgia You could make the argument that both PlayStation and Xbox changed that expectation last gen. I think mid gen refreshes are going to be a given going forward. It doesn't really matter, the base will always be viable for the entirety of each generation.

@CieloAzure There is no way they release a console costing $850 with a disk drive. I'll start practicing yoga and eat my own **** if that's the revealed price.

@HonestHick The minimal change to the cpu's clocks are a shame for sure, but the improvements to the memory and gpu are great. As you say, I'm interested mostly in what Cerny has cooked up with his version of SSR.

This is possibly nothing more than a test run for enthusiasts to see what their proprietary tech can do in preparation for the PS6, but I don't mind paying for 3 years of that.

@StylesT I could take the time to explain the significant jump in gpu performance between the two systems and how that should noticeably impact resolution and rendering, but I have a feeling it would be pointless, so have a great day.

@Pranwell Because sadly, there are a substantial amount of people who use the Internet for negativity and hate. You would think the ability to keep quiet about something you supposedly have no interest in would be easy, but for many it's evidently not.

@StylesT The PS5 runs every first party game at 60, and on paper, specs wise, no game will look identical graphically, the pro should be a significantly noticeable upgrade in that department if utilised properly.

Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe was a favourite in our household when it came out. The Bitmap Brothers were killing it for a period back then.

@Fiendish-Beaver Speculation and assumptions are forms of evidence and logical arguments?

I'm not going to get to read those statements from Sony or Game Science, am I? 😞

@Fiendish-Beaver "I just cannot help myself because it is really strange to watch people strain every sinew to defy truth, reason, deduction and logic to blindly defend their little plastic box, when all the time that little plastic box, to which they have pledged their undying allegiance, has no regard for them whatsoever... 🤪"

In psychology this is called projection.

@Fiendish-Beaver

That's not the same as Sony being fully aware that by aiding in the development on the PlayStation version will get it out the door quicker, and that will have a knock on effect to the Xbox version.

Quicker than what, the same announced launch date for all systems? Talk of a knock on effect is conjecture.

1. Sony have stated they aided the developer with the PlayStation version of the game. Fact!

We all believe this to be the case but can you provide me with a link to Sony's statement, I haven't seen their official comment on it.

2. Game Science stated they were prioritising the PlayStation version. Fact!

I haven't read this either, can you provide me with a link so I can. I'm not saying it's untrue, I would just like to read the statement from Game Science on it.

When Sony and the Developers began working on the PlayStation version, the Developer stopped (at that time) working on the Xbox version, or at the very least they prioritised the PlayStation version, which means they did the opposite to the Xbox version.

Speculation.

Now, for the love of God, you cannot tell me there was no deal between Sony and the Developer that enabled Sony to assist in development, can you?

If Sony helped with their version, which I believe to be the case, an agreement would need to have been made to facilitate that. How that affected development on any other platform is again, speculation.

When that work then happens, it enables the game to come to the PlayStation first. It is as simple as that.

Not necessarily. If optimization for the Series X and S had gone smoothly then all versions could have potentially been ready for launch. Without knowing the facts it's just an angle you're pushing.

If Microsoft had been on the ball, they would have helped out too, though once Sony began, that may not have been possible for Microsoft.

When the delay was announced more than two months before release, Microsoft stated: We’re excited for the launch of Black Myth Wukong on Xbox Series X|S and are working with Game Science to bring the game to our platforms". This is also when they implied a deal was in place with Sony, but provided no evidence to support that, and haven't since.

If a bunch of people work on Project A, and no one works on Project B, then Project A will be finished first

Of course, but we don't know who was working on Project B, so speculating is pointless unless you're trying to form a narrative.

@Fiendish-Beaver I must have mixed up your posts here with those over at PureXbox.

On here: "Personally, I do not believe that an exclusivity deal exists."

Over there: "Whilst I accept your premise about Sony would usually announce an exclusivity deal PsBoxSwitchOwner, Sony would also have noted the damage to the Xbox brand that is done when a game is delayed due to the S etc. So, in some ways, it makes perfect sense to both sign an exclusivity deal AND say nothing about it, because then you can sit back and watch Xbox being torn apart by its own fans.

In response to another: "As for why they may not have promoted Wukong, take a look at my response directly above this one. Wukong was widely anticipated, so advertising it was not essential, and if Sony have signed a secret deal, then advertising it heavily would put pressure on them to reveal the deal, with the implications being that they had signed it as an exclusive. No need to advertise a game that going to sell itself. I have no idea one way or another whether they have signed a deal. I simply would say that it is not beyond the realms of possibility..."

As I said, speculating on stories like this without knowing the facts adds nothing but nonsense to the conversation.

Say hello to my old mate Northern Munkey for me as well. I'm guessing that silly Northern sausage is still angry with me after all these years. He once told me that he'll fight for everyone to have access to affordable gaming, whatever their financial circumstances are. I asked him if he fights for those same people to have affordable access to the private golf course he plays at every week and I think I upset him.

Give him my love 😉

@Fiendish-Beaver F**k me, you're using a Peter Higgs analogy to support your assumptions.

"So let me get this straight, @Intr1n5ic; I'm wrong simply because nothing has been confirmed. Right?"

I didn't say you were wrong. I'm saying making speculative claims without knowing the facts of a situation, particularly when those claims are a deliberate attempt to cover one party in shade, adds nothing but nonsense to the conversation.

@Fiendish-Beaver "Do I know any of it to be a fact? No, of course I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong...."

I understand your position clearly now.

@Fiendish-Beaver So what speculative theory do you have for Microsoft not offering to help get it ready for their platform?

@Fiendish-Beaver What are you talking about? You're creating your own narratives based off nothing but speculation. Sony have on many occasions provided help to get a game optimised for their platform, both exclusive and non exclusive. In what way does that constitute a deal being made to delay its release on another system?

I asked you a simple question, from the direct quotes of Jeff Grubb, what did he say to suggest a deal had been made, or better yet, what was said that lead to you stating this: "now the most recent claim by Jeff Grubb is suggesting that the deal may have been for the Developer to prioritise the PS5, which will have been at the detriment of the Xbox".

£51 at Curry's is a great price.

@Fiendish-Beaver "He speculates it’s possible the PlayStation maker may have helped on development"

"Game Science potentially may have prioritised PS5 due to its larger Asian audience."

In what part of either of those quotes from Jeff is the suggestion of a deal?

This looks really impressive. I love that it's turn based but includes some sort of active parry/dodge mechanic.

I would have preferred Rival Schools over Project Justice as well, but this is an awesome collection.

@Voltan Same for me, it shouldn't make much difference in the demo though.

Sounds good. I was just on the app and there's a demo available so I'll definitely give this a try.

@NaughtyBoy Ahh okay, no worries 👍. Reviews are in today so I'm just waiting on the feedback before I pull the trigger.

@NaughtyBoy Thoughts so far?

They nailed their coffin shut with the £35 price reveal. You can't enter a congested market with competing F2P options unless you're offering something significantly better than the competition to justify it. When Marvel Rivals was revealed they should have reevaluated and adjusted their approach.

@Icey664 Is your horizon excluding Astro Bot which comes out in 13 days?

@NEStalgia I don't blame you, I plan on building a rig myself at some point next year. I think you're spot on with everything else.

"For some reason the market wasn't interested"

I believe that reason was them not having a marquee launch title ready, and not releasing anything for the first 12 months. Sony had Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, Ratchet and Clank, and Returnal out the door before Microsoft released yet another Forza. From that point on they found themselves playing catch up again.

@Kevw2006 I get that but you wouldn't be the market I'm referring to. I'm specifically talking about those who are so brand focused that every announcement is met like it's a personal slight on them and their loyalty.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner "I don’t believe Sony being the single manufacturer is a good thing either."

For the record, neither do I.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner Perhaps, but I believe to a lesser degree. Put it this way, are you buying that Series S today if you have a road map of everything you can play on the PS5, would you even consider a more expensive X in that situation?

@Pandalulz Yeah the voice actor for the granddad is great 😄. It would be cool if the game utilised that but it's probably just for the trailer.

Why? I don't see how disclosing other titles would benefit them, if anything it could potentially harm their platform. Look at the reaction online from some of the fanbase at these announcements, or the comment sections on any article relating to this topic, and you'll see people stating they're done with the brand, questioning the worth of buying another Xbox console if this is the direction they're going in, ect.

I think it's in their best interest to keep quiet about what is or isn't making it's way over to PlayStation.

Looks great, getting a Gravity Falls vibe from it.

Signed up to the beta last night, really looking forward to this.

It's not listed but The First Berserker: Khazan is still one of my most anticipated releases, I think it looks incredible.

For anyone else who's interested, you can sign up for the technical closed beta here - https://khazan.nexon.com/en/main

@BeerIsAwesome I believe they also discount the game in the store straight after as well, which is a really nice touch. Something I'd like to see Sony implement.

@Shepherd_Tallon Isolation did a number on me as well. I'm not over the hill yet, but I'm not a young man anymore either 😂

I was surprised to see Horizon Forbidden West on there to begin with. 18 months was a good run.

I love this franchise but I don't know if my heart could handle this in vr, it looks like hypertension: the game.

@LikelySatan Great, you can play it whenever you want. You can pay whatever you feel is appropriate as well when it reaches that price point. Both of those options are better than complaining on the internet about something that's a non issue.

@thefourfoldroot1 I'm saying the pricing is directly affected by the costs involved in the products production. Hence a game involving a ton of mo-cap, voice over work, high resolution rendering etc, will always come in at the higher end compared to lower budget games. "Material" costs in this conversation is reflected by the size of the team and the amount of time and money spent completing a project.

@dark_knightmare2 Exactly, it doesn't exist in music either. Gamers are a special bunch though for some reason.

@thefourfoldroot1 I don't think it's always a question of either or. I could sit here and list thousands of products where the material cost has an established market value and how that directly plays in to the cost analysis of it's worth. It's not as black and white as simply saying how much do you think they'll pay for this.

@Max_the_German I understand what you're saying, but why do people seemingly disregard the amount of time that goes in to projects like this, especially whithin an industry that we know incurs high costs.

To me it just feels like another conversation about people not wanting to pay for stuff, or the mindset that because they bought something 10 years ago they should be entitled to this for next to nothing. Why does this only exist in gaming, it makes me wonder if they're also upset about not being given free blu rays to replace their dvd collection.

"Who even wanted this remake?" is a common question across comments sections and social media."

If that's a question people are asking, why would they care about the remakes price point, unless of course it's just to be outraged about something they supposedly have no interest in.

From my understanding this game has been completely rebuilt from the ground up, if that's not the case then someone please correct me. If that's accurate however, then all that work would have taken a significant amount of time and money.