@TheAmbienWalrus I picked it up for only £5 after the announcement they were going back to the drawing board and overhauling it. That was shortly followed by the announcement they've changed their minds 😂
I didn't think it was terrible, it had some elements that I found fun as well, it just wasn't what I wanted from a Bioware game.
I just think their communication could be improved.
I genuinely can't remember the last time I felt short of anything to play, but I also can't remember the last time I saw an update for something 1st party that's being worked on.
@DennisReynolds It's not PR marketing, it's their legally binding terms of service.
I'm not even sure what argument you're trying to make now by saying "Sony could decide suspend and ban means the same thing". You're creating hypothetical points to support an opinion with no evidence backing it up. If you said to me, here is proof of numerous times where Sony decided suspended and banned meant the same thing, then your point would have merit. The fact is their TOS clearly states what constitutes a suspension and how that can be appealed. The outcome of that appeal is what decides whether you get permanently banned or not.
@DennisReynolds It does when it comes to spreading misinformation. People hear something and they run with it as fact. The fact is it doesn't result in an immediate ban.
In the unlikely event of a suspension there's no way you would have lost an appeal because they were in the wrong. The minimum resolution would have been a full refund.
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, it's an FAQ page under support on their website. A requirement was never stated in their EULA, nor was one amended.
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, they altered the wording on the FAQ section of their website, which isn't illegal by the way, even if it's a s**t thing to do in the middle of a storm.
Ultimately, this mess should never have happened. Registration was supposed to be in from the start. Arrowhead should have explained it's requirement and the reasons why they weren't initially implementing it, being transparent on the fact they would be at a later date. A workaround for customers unable to meet those requirements should have been communicated from both Sony and Arrowhead or the game should never have been available to purchase for them in the first place.
All of that is valid. I don't agree the way people behaved over it was.
@Ainu20 @DennisReynolds @Stanek22990 Unless I'm mistaken, and if I am please correct me, what you're referring to is the submission of false personal information under section 6 that results in a suspension, not ban, from the playstation network. I can see nowhere where it specifically states choosing a country you don't reside in results in a ban. If you're suspended and this is the reason given, you can appeal that decision. In the rare circumstance this happens, you could easily make a case for why you were unable to do so. The onus would be on Sony to find a solution to a problem they created by selling a product in a country where a requirement couldn't be met by the consumer. At the very least you would get a full refund.
Suggesting Steam would have banned people on behalf of Sony over this and locked them out of their Steam account is unfounded. I agree with @ATaco regarding fear mongering on that.
They've been hacked more than once, but it's completely irrelevant to this conversation anyway. It was used as a focal point to support the pathetic outrage of the loudest and dumbest complainers. Some would have known that creating an account would contain nothing of interest in a worst case scenario, but most latched on to it completely uneducated on the matter.
What you're referring to is only applicable in the UK and Ireland, and it's to verify your age when creating an adult account. Not only can you completely skip that stage, making it a non issue with regards to this topic, but you can also use a mobile phone number instead if you don't want to provide photo ID. Any data you submit if you choose to complete that stage is immediately deleted after confirmation and isn't saved to your profile.
So again, nothing private is demanded from you to create a linked account.
@NEStalgia They'll just move on to the next thing they're outraged about.
Remember when this game first launched and there was an extremely vocal movement crying about anticheat, on twitter, gaming websites, message boards etc. Many were stating it's inclusion was a ridiculous decision and they weren't going to support the game as a result. Well, it's funny how quickly they shut up when they realised how enjoyable the game was.
@BAMozzy They're not demanding your "private" email. If using that was a major cause for concern though, what's preventing you from creating a throwaway?
They should have offered a full refund to everyone review bombing. Sit back and watch the majority of these clowns go, wait, what? No, you're supposed to remove the account creation we were made aware of from the start, why are you honoring our threats?
Then follow that up a week or two later by instructing Arrowhead to release some amazing content they can all miss out on.
For those saying they couldn't create an account because of location, providing them with a solution or advice on a workaround was probably the better approach here 😂
@ChrisDeku I'm willing to bet this gets walked back, further conditioning those involved that how they've reacted was appropriate and justified. Hopefully I'm wrong.
@ChrisDeku The bank stuff is the angle I believe a lot of them are trying to come from when they suggest their security is being compromised with this request, which makes no sense.
@Ralizah My headspace is simply being well adjusted.
Explain how the company who published and funded this game have somehow initiated the end of the world by requesting you create an account on their platform, something that God knows how many other publishers already do.
Those who are saying they're concerned about their data could just spend 5 minutes creating a throwaway email with a fake name and address for their PSN ID. It would sit there dormant and contain absolutely nothing of any interest to anyone who might hypothetically compromise it one day.
@Ralizah it's a complete non issue that's been massively blown out of proportion. People are grasping at anything to justify their behaviour over it. The only voice in all of this that matters are those who legitimately have concerns about creating an account in their location, and for me, their voice only matters if they can express that constructively without acting like a raging a**hole.
@Darrenb You need one to play Sea of Thieves and apparently it's sold very well. Do you see a parade of Playstation players on the internet crying about it?
@Ralizah As has already been stated, if you're paranoid about your data then you better stay off the internet, sell your mobile phone, and never use a bank or credit card again.
He made a huge mistake suggesting this kind of behaviour is warranted. They shouldn't have addressed it at all, just let the babies cry themselves to sleep.
@NEStalgia You have been one of the most vocal here with your bashing of it from the start, so I'm having a hard time believing you've played it, let alone bought the game at full price.
I went with an 8, I think that's a fair score. I have loved the overall character design throughout, and the combat and music are excellent.
Come the 30th, the realisation they can no longer play will sink in, they'll quickly spend the 5 minutes it takes to create an account, and never acknowledge what a reactionary petty a**hole they are.
Almost all of it will be under the May savings banner. I did notice that Alan Wake 2 said "save 20% with Playstation Plus" when I bought it. Do you have an active subscription, if not that might be why some of them aren't available for you. I can't check if Returnal's discount falls under that requirement as I already own it.
@Zemo55 The game released 6 years ago to average scores of 7 or lower. There have been a lot of updates to it since then and Aaron, the person who reviewed it, thought it's current state was worthy of a 9.
I'm not sure what fuss you're referencing though. 46% of this poll have no interest in it, another 29% aren't sure they'll ever bother playing it, and 10% intend to play it but haven't supported it's launch.
This isn't an accurate representation of it's popularity however, I believe it's sold very well, but I personally haven't seen people fussing over it.
@Mikey856 I wasn't being facetious, I'm not sure how you've arrived at that from my reply. I was just saying £70 isn't an accurate representation of the physical copies cost as it was at least a tenner cheaper than that at launch.
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I can't read the word prognosticator without thinking about Groundhog Day. I can't read the word prognosticator without thinking about Groundhog Day.
Re: PS5 Action RPG V Rising Snags June Release Date Alongside PS Plus Discount
@ShogunRok Okay cheers.
Re: PS5 Action RPG V Rising Snags June Release Date Alongside PS Plus Discount
@ShogunRok Do you know if the contents of the other editions are all cosmetic?
Re: PS5 Sales Reach 59.3 Million as Sony Falls Just Short of Fiscal Year Forecast
This ^
The fact it was extremely difficult to source and buy for the first two years makes this even more impressive.
Re: Sony Delists Ghost of Tsushima PC from Steam Regions in Line with Helldivers 2
@MrMagic Don't come in here making sense, you're supposed to be outraged!
Re: Capcom Now Considers Dragon's Dogma a 'Key Brand' Following Substantial Sales
@Matroska There were quite a few changes made alongside the new area they added.
https://dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon%27s_Dogma:_Dark_Arisen
Re: This Year's Call of Duty May Not Be Included in Xbox Game Pass After All
@get2sammyb You called it yesterday.
What are your favourite six numbers between 1 & 59?
Re: The Big Dragon Age: Dreadwolf Reveal Is Incoming, 2024 Release Date Reportedly Set
@TheAmbienWalrus I picked it up for only £5 after the announcement they were going back to the drawing board and overhauling it. That was shortly followed by the announcement they've changed their minds 😂
I didn't think it was terrible, it had some elements that I found fun as well, it just wasn't what I wanted from a Bioware game.
Re: The Big Dragon Age: Dreadwolf Reveal Is Incoming, 2024 Release Date Reportedly Set
Please be good 🤞 Anthem will be a forgotten memory if they pull this off.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds Were you permanently suspended from most of them for spreading misinformation?
Re: PS5 Fans Mostly Happy with Sony's Third-Party Deals, But PlayStation Studios Need to Step Up
I just think their communication could be improved.
I genuinely can't remember the last time I felt short of anything to play, but I also can't remember the last time I saw an update for something 1st party that's being worked on.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds This has been a great insight in to how ridiculous some perspectives were during this overblown nonsense.
Edit - I've edited this as I incorrectly stated you were wrong in your previous comment. My apologies.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds It's not PR marketing, it's their legally binding terms of service.
I'm not even sure what argument you're trying to make now by saying "Sony could decide suspend and ban means the same thing". You're creating hypothetical points to support an opinion with no evidence backing it up. If you said to me, here is proof of numerous times where Sony decided suspended and banned meant the same thing, then your point would have merit. The fact is their TOS clearly states what constitutes a suspension and how that can be appealed. The outcome of that appeal is what decides whether you get permanently banned or not.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@ATaco For sure, and those same people will likely create a scene should they be asked again on other titles in the future.
Re: Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, More Closed in Brutal Bethesda Restructure
Terrible for those involved. There's some real talent there so hopefully they'll quickly find positions elsewhere.
Tango's closure is truly bizarre after the critical success of Hi Fi Rush.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds It does when it comes to spreading misinformation. People hear something and they run with it as fact. The fact is it doesn't result in an immediate ban.
In the unlikely event of a suspension there's no way you would have lost an appeal because they were in the wrong. The minimum resolution would have been a full refund.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, it's an FAQ page under support on their website. A requirement was never stated in their EULA, nor was one amended.
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@Bamila They should be, Bam, mine are currently downloading.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, they altered the wording on the FAQ section of their website, which isn't illegal by the way, even if it's a s**t thing to do in the middle of a storm.
Ultimately, this mess should never have happened. Registration was supposed to be in from the start. Arrowhead should have explained it's requirement and the reasons why they weren't initially implementing it, being transparent on the fact they would be at a later date. A workaround for customers unable to meet those requirements should have been communicated from both Sony and Arrowhead or the game should never have been available to purchase for them in the first place.
All of that is valid. I don't agree the way people behaved over it was.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@Ainu20 @DennisReynolds @Stanek22990 Unless I'm mistaken, and if I am please correct me, what you're referring to is the submission of false personal information under section 6 that results in a suspension, not ban, from the playstation network. I can see nowhere where it specifically states choosing a country you don't reside in results in a ban. If you're suspended and this is the reason given, you can appeal that decision. In the rare circumstance this happens, you could easily make a case for why you were unable to do so. The onus would be on Sony to find a solution to a problem they created by selling a product in a country where a requirement couldn't be met by the consumer. At the very least you would get a full refund.
Suggesting Steam would have banned people on behalf of Sony over this and locked them out of their Steam account is unfounded. I agree with @ATaco regarding fear mongering on that.
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Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
Good lord. First he tells them their outrage was warranted, now he's applauding their "willpower".
How could anyone come to the conclusion that those involved behaved with restraint and lacked impulsiveness.
Re: Review Bombers Were Even Attacking Other Games Made by Helldivers 2 Dev
@BeerIsAwesome In the interest of fairness I just want to link this - https://firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline/
They've been hacked more than once, but it's completely irrelevant to this conversation anyway. It was used as a focal point to support the pathetic outrage of the loudest and dumbest complainers. Some would have known that creating an account would contain nothing of interest in a worst case scenario, but most latched on to it completely uneducated on the matter.
Microsoft's breaches by the way - https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
Though as you said, there's complete silence on every required account creation for them.
Re: Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement Backtracked on PC After Brutal Review Bombing Campaign
It will never cease to disappoint me that acting like a massive entitled brat will often reward you in the current age.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy I just saw your edit.
What you're referring to is only applicable in the UK and Ireland, and it's to verify your age when creating an adult account. Not only can you completely skip that stage, making it a non issue with regards to this topic, but you can also use a mobile phone number instead if you don't want to provide photo ID. Any data you submit if you choose to complete that stage is immediately deleted after confirmation and isn't saved to your profile.
So again, nothing private is demanded from you to create a linked account.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@NEStalgia They'll just move on to the next thing they're outraged about.
Remember when this game first launched and there was an extremely vocal movement crying about anticheat, on twitter, gaming websites, message boards etc. Many were stating it's inclusion was a ridiculous decision and they weren't going to support the game as a result. Well, it's funny how quickly they shut up when they realised how enjoyable the game was.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@TheTony316 Yep, just under 99k currently playing, and no noticeable change to daily engagement compared to numbers right before the outrage began.
I would love to see the data on the individuals making the most noise.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy They're not demanding your "private" email. If using that was a major cause for concern though, what's preventing you from creating a throwaway?
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@Deityjester Sounds great. 646 people are currently playing so have fun with that.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy What private details are they demanding?
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@Deityjester Sure you would 😂
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
They should have offered a full refund to everyone review bombing. Sit back and watch the majority of these clowns go, wait, what? No, you're supposed to remove the account creation we were made aware of from the start, why are you honoring our threats?
Then follow that up a week or two later by instructing Arrowhead to release some amazing content they can all miss out on.
For those saying they couldn't create an account because of location, providing them with a solution or advice on a workaround was probably the better approach here 😂
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku I'm willing to bet this gets walked back, further conditioning those involved that how they've reacted was appropriate and justified. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku Maybe they think there's a requirement to setup some sort of verified payment information when creating a psn account.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku The bank stuff is the angle I believe a lot of them are trying to come from when they suggest their security is being compromised with this request, which makes no sense.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@Ralizah My headspace is simply being well adjusted.
Explain how the company who published and funded this game have somehow initiated the end of the world by requesting you create an account on their platform, something that God knows how many other publishers already do.
Those who are saying they're concerned about their data could just spend 5 minutes creating a throwaway email with a fake name and address for their PSN ID. It would sit there dormant and contain absolutely nothing of any interest to anyone who might hypothetically compromise it one day.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@Ralizah it's a complete non issue that's been massively blown out of proportion. People are grasping at anything to justify their behaviour over it. The only voice in all of this that matters are those who legitimately have concerns about creating an account in their location, and for me, their voice only matters if they can express that constructively without acting like a raging a**hole.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@Darrenb You need one to play Sea of Thieves and apparently it's sold very well. Do you see a parade of Playstation players on the internet crying about it?
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@Ralizah As has already been stated, if you're paranoid about your data then you better stay off the internet, sell your mobile phone, and never use a bank or credit card again.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@wiiware How would a hack on a Sony account compromise your Steam account?
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
He made a huge mistake suggesting this kind of behaviour is warranted. They shouldn't have addressed it at all, just let the babies cry themselves to sleep.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Stellar Blade?
@NEStalgia You have been one of the most vocal here with your bashing of it from the start, so I'm having a hard time believing you've played it, let alone bought the game at full price.
I went with an 8, I think that's a fair score. I have loved the overall character design throughout, and the combat and music are excellent.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Players Blindsided by Seemingly Sudden PSN Account Requirement
Come the 30th, the realisation they can no longer play will sink in, they'll quickly spend the 5 minutes it takes to create an account, and never acknowledge what a reactionary petty a**hole they are.
Re: Hundreds of Huge PS5, PS4 Games Discounted for the Weekend
@Galv No worries.
Almost all of it will be under the May savings banner. I did notice that Alan Wake 2 said "save 20% with Playstation Plus" when I bought it. Do you have an active subscription, if not that might be why some of them aren't available for you. I can't check if Returnal's discount falls under that requirement as I already own it.
Re: Hundreds of Huge PS5, PS4 Games Discounted for the Weekend
@Galv I looked up the game on the app first and then I booted up the console to pay for it. The price updated for me at 10am.
Is there a particular game from the article that isn't showing the sale price for you, or did you just want to view the full sale?
Re: Hundreds of Huge PS5, PS4 Games Discounted for the Weekend
@Galv Should be live now, it updated at 10am for me.
Re: Hundreds of Huge PS5, PS4 Games Discounted for the Weekend
Love The Cure.
I never got around to playing Alan Wake 2 because I was lost in Baldurs Gate for months, time to pick it up I think.
Re: Poll: Are You Playing Sea of Thieves on PS5?
@Zemo55 The game released 6 years ago to average scores of 7 or lower. There have been a lot of updates to it since then and Aaron, the person who reviewed it, thought it's current state was worthy of a 9.
I'm not sure what fuss you're referencing though. 46% of this poll have no interest in it, another 29% aren't sure they'll ever bother playing it, and 10% intend to play it but haven't supported it's launch.
This isn't an accurate representation of it's popularity however, I believe it's sold very well, but I personally haven't seen people fussing over it.
Re: Upcoming PS5 Games for May and June 2024
@Loamy I echo this, one of the best sites in the UK. The Game Collection for physical, Shopto for digital.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Sales Remain Muted in the USA, Compared to Past Games
@Mikey856 I wasn't being facetious, I'm not sure how you've arrived at that from my reply. I was just saying £70 isn't an accurate representation of the physical copies cost as it was at least a tenner cheaper than that at launch.