We have a roadmap to Xbox sales. The Take-Two announcement that allowed us to subtract Sony’s numbers to come to Xbox sales between 24-25 million and then year by year growth and decline. Year two saw a 63% increase followed by back to back 30% declines.
Year 1 - 5.4 million
Year 2 - 8.8 million (63% growth)
Year 3 - 6.2 million (30% decline)
Year 4 - 4.3 million (30% decline)
Total - 24.7 million
Net sales: ¥11.3 trillion ($72.2 billion, up 12% year-on-year) Operating income: ¥1.04 trillion ($6.6 billion, up 5%) Game & Network Services net sales: ¥4.3 trillion ($27.5 billion, up 17%) Game & Network Services operating income: ¥290.2 billion ($1.9 billion, up 16%)
Q4 (3 months ended March 31, 2024)
Net sales: ¥2.8 trillion ($17.9 billion, up 9%) Operating income: ¥203.3 billion ($1.3 billion, up 115%) Game & Network Services net sales: ¥1.1 trillion ($7.03 billion, up 2.2%) Game & Network Services operating income: ¥135.8 billion ($868 million, up 172.5%)
Out of curiosity, how does it compare to using a phone/backbone combo? Obviously a larger screen, but I’ve had a lot of success using that combo to play Hogwarts Legacy.
I tried Midnight Suns, but the print was too small.
Year over year increases are better than year over year declines. Xbox followed up a 30% decline in hardware sales with another 30% decline in hardware sales. That means the PS5 is most likely getting close to outselling it 3:1. It makes sense why Microsoft is looking at moving Xbox games to other consoles.
EDIT: Based on the numbers, it sounds like Sony has around 4.5 - 5 million PlayStations sitting on store shelves each quarter. They sold through 50 million by December 9 and shipped 4.5 million from January 1 to March 31, which leaves a 4.8 million gap to reach 59.3.
I wonder how many live service games can be active at once and still maintain successful levels of engagement. Juggling two live service games would probably be my max, and the time split between would restrict leveling up.
This is what happens when you spend over $70 billion on an acquisition that gets litigated based on antitrust laws. Xbox is no longer a fringe aspect of Microsoft. It is now front and center for all shareholders who want to know how are you going to make money on this deal and why are you segregating software from Nintendo and Sony?
It reminds me of the saying, “Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.”
The Xbox faithful got it. Hope it was worth getting.
GamePass is one of the reasons Tango was shuttered. Two million players (user engagement) in the first three months, but poor sales because it was an Xbox exclusive released on GamePass Day One. Despite the user engagement talk, it’s obviously about dollars spent, and if subscriptions only grew by 2% across all services 22-23 and 1% 23-24, it’s definitely not sustainable.
Having experienced layoffs in the past, this sucks. It is not a fun experience and wondering if you have enough in savings to outlast unemployment is not a fun game to play.
All the posters disclaiming this as “rumors and speculation” were doing the same thing before the last Xbox to PS announcement. Phil appeased their tiny brains by saying that Starfield was not a part of the four games which had been leaked but not confirmed.
Well, the four games have released and have done well enough that the Xbox “vault” is now open. Xbox is now a third party publisher with a console that may have timed exclusivity. Xbox Owners can use GamePass to get all first party titles at subscription prices. PS owners can pick and choose what is worth buying a license for. The caveat is that PS owners also get to pick and choose from the PlayStation catalog, which has always been much stronger.
I think we all know this is BS. Microsoft is making Xbox games multi console and they’re trying to not piss the Xbox core off by setting BS conditions that have already been met or exceeded just to save face with those that invested in their ecosystem. An ecosystem that is no longer needed with GamePass.
@pyrrhic_victory Given the preorder numbers, this is most likely an intentional leak to prepare the public for the shift to multi console support for the majority of games.
@GamingFan4Lyf I would love Flight Simulator if they gave it PSVR2 support. Starfield I would buy at discount now that it’s been thoroughly beta tested. Definitely not something I would have bought an Xbox for.
@Fritz167
My thoughts as well. The demo and music reminded me of Nier Automata. The Nier demo almost made me not buy the game. Luckily I did buy Nier and loved it but this will be a discount purchase if I get it.
They’re having a similar discussion on Pure Xbox regarding Phil Spencer’s 10 years as lead of Xbox. I’d say it’s been a mixed bag for both of them, although seeing console exclusivity potentially end would be far worse than any of Jim Ryan’s missteps.
I’m usually a day oner but I’m going to wait and see on this. If there’s something that makes it a must have, then maybe, but it’s gonna need to knock the ball out of the park The Natural style.
I tried the mechs but found I wasn’t getting any post match rewards AND purchased a ship stratagem only to lose my samples with no stratagem. Decided to give it the weekend off after that.
A postage stamp with an upside down airplane is a valuable collectible in the U.S. I remember selling my physical copy of Symphony of the Night for over $100. This will become a collector’s item.
Expected. Microsoft needs PlayStation (and Nintendo) gamers for Xbox “engagement” numbers. Just more proof that all Xbox “exclusives” are going multiplat. To meme it…
Obviously Starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to PS5. The purpose of the multiplatform support isn’t to nickel and dime revenue off of smaller games, it’s to offset GamePass costs by generating sales on other consoles.
Honestly, Phil handled it brilliantly! The scripted moderator question on what the four games would be, specifically limiting it to those four, allowed Phil to come out and say "They are not Starfield or Indiana Jones."
Brilliant!
Next day headlines were “Starfield and Indiana Jones Remain Xbox Exclusives” and the Xbox faithful let out a deep sigh in relief. Sure, some Xbox games would be released, but they’d just be small, old games. Well, those small, old games will all be released by April, well before Starfield’s Shattered Space dlc and Indiana Jones even release.
So Phil kept his word. The four games weren’t Starfield or Indiana Jones. Now let’s see if the rumors were true that the PS5 port of Starfield would come after after Shattered Space and the Indiana Jones exclusivity would be relatively short. The rumors were pretty spot on, so I’m thinking both (and more) will happen.
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Re: Feature: Revisiting PlayStation Showcase 2023, an Event Sony Must Improve Upon
Holy moly! Just read about IGN’s buying spree!
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/21/ign-buys-eurogamer-vg247-rock-paper-shotgun-layoffs-begun-20883679/amp/
Re: Feature: Revisiting PlayStation Showcase 2023, an Event Sony Must Improve Upon
@Dodoo Don’t forget Tokyo Game Show (TGS)!
Re: EA Sports Brings All the Pomp and Pageantry of College Football to PS5
I can’t remember the last sports game I actually purchased, but I know the next one I’ll get.
BOOMER!
Re: Microsoft Leadership Reportedly Want No 'Red Line' Stopping Xbox Games Coming to PS5
Xbox went full Icarus, and Microsoft has become the sun.
But they got Activision!
Re: Microsoft Leadership Reportedly Want No 'Red Line' Stopping Xbox Games Coming to PS5
@nomither6
Destiny and MLB The Show!
Re: Microsoft Leadership Reportedly Want No 'Red Line' Stopping Xbox Games Coming to PS5
@breakneck
My understanding is that the vast majority of Series consoles out there are Series S.
Re: Microsoft Leadership Reportedly Want No 'Red Line' Stopping Xbox Games Coming to PS5
Flight Simulator with PSVR2 support would be nice. I’d probably purchase a fully beta tested Starfield as well.
Re: Sony Shipped 4.5 Million PS5's Last Quarter, Almost Five Times More Than Xbox Series X|S
@get2sammyb
Have you seen this?
https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-bosses-reportedly-pushing-for-no-red-line-around-which-xbox-games-launch-on-playstation
Re: Sony Shipped 4.5 Million PS5's Last Quarter, Almost Five Times More Than Xbox Series X|S
@rjejr
Didn’t you do it right there?
Re: Sony Shipped 4.5 Million PS5's Last Quarter, Almost Five Times More Than Xbox Series X|S
We have a roadmap to Xbox sales. The Take-Two announcement that allowed us to subtract Sony’s numbers to come to Xbox sales between 24-25 million and then year by year growth and decline. Year two saw a 63% increase followed by back to back 30% declines.
Year 1 - 5.4 million
Year 2 - 8.8 million (63% growth)
Year 3 - 6.2 million (30% decline)
Year 4 - 4.3 million (30% decline)
Total - 24.7 million
Re: Reaction: Why You Shouldn't Worry Too Much About PS5's Year-on-Year Decline
@LifeGirl
Numbers are fun!
Full-year (12 months ended March 31, 2024)
Net sales: ¥11.3 trillion ($72.2 billion, up 12% year-on-year)
Operating income: ¥1.04 trillion ($6.6 billion, up 5%)
Game & Network Services net sales: ¥4.3 trillion ($27.5 billion, up 17%)
Game & Network Services operating income: ¥290.2 billion ($1.9 billion, up 16%)
Q4 (3 months ended March 31, 2024)
Net sales: ¥2.8 trillion ($17.9 billion, up 9%)
Operating income: ¥203.3 billion ($1.3 billion, up 115%)
Game & Network Services net sales: ¥1.1 trillion ($7.03 billion, up 2.2%)
Game & Network Services operating income: ¥135.8 billion ($868 million, up 172.5%)
Sony should be really concerned about this.
Re: PS Portal Still Going Strong, Demand in USA Exceeds Supply
Out of curiosity, how does it compare to using a phone/backbone combo? Obviously a larger screen, but I’ve had a lot of success using that combo to play Hogwarts Legacy.
I tried Midnight Suns, but the print was too small.
Re: PS Portal Still Going Strong, Demand in USA Exceeds Supply
@feral1975
Right?! If it were “all that” there would be supply issues.
Oh wait, there are…because it keeps selling out of stock.
But hey, believe what you wanna believe.
Re: PS5 Sales Reach 59.3 Million as Sony Falls Just Short of Fiscal Year Forecast
Year over year increases are better than year over year declines. Xbox followed up a 30% decline in hardware sales with another 30% decline in hardware sales. That means the PS5 is most likely getting close to outselling it 3:1. It makes sense why Microsoft is looking at moving Xbox games to other consoles.
EDIT: Based on the numbers, it sounds like Sony has around 4.5 - 5 million PlayStations sitting on store shelves each quarter. They sold through 50 million by December 9 and shipped 4.5 million from January 1 to March 31, which leaves a 4.8 million gap to reach 59.3.
Re: PS5, PC Live Service Concord Will Launch in 2024
I wonder how many live service games can be active at once and still maintain successful levels of engagement. Juggling two live service games would probably be my max, and the time split between would restrict leveling up.
Re: Hermen Hulst, Hideaki Nishino Replace Jim Ryan As PlayStation CEOs
Maybe it’s to prevent them from being peanut butter spread too thin…
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
Zero impact on me.
Re: This Year's Call of Duty May Not Be Included in Xbox Game Pass After All
This is what happens when you spend over $70 billion on an acquisition that gets litigated based on antitrust laws. Xbox is no longer a fringe aspect of Microsoft. It is now front and center for all shareholders who want to know how are you going to make money on this deal and why are you segregating software from Nintendo and Sony?
It reminds me of the saying, “Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.”
The Xbox faithful got it. Hope it was worth getting.
Re: Gaming Subs Like PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass Aren't Growing At All
GamePass is one of the reasons Tango was shuttered. Two million players (user engagement) in the first three months, but poor sales because it was an Xbox exclusive released on GamePass Day One. Despite the user engagement talk, it’s obviously about dollars spent, and if subscriptions only grew by 2% across all services 22-23 and 1% 23-24, it’s definitely not sustainable.
Re: Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, More Closed in Brutal Bethesda Restructure
Having experienced layoffs in the past, this sucks. It is not a fun experience and wondering if you have enough in savings to outlast unemployment is not a fun game to play.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Players Blindsided by Seemingly Sudden PSN Account Requirement
I wonder if they left the basement to complain to their mom and dad.
Re: Many, Many More Xbox Ports Plotted for PS5, New Speculation Suggests
All the posters disclaiming this as “rumors and speculation” were doing the same thing before the last Xbox to PS announcement. Phil appeased their tiny brains by saying that Starfield was not a part of the four games which had been leaked but not confirmed.
Well, the four games have released and have done well enough that the Xbox “vault” is now open. Xbox is now a third party publisher with a console that may have timed exclusivity. Xbox Owners can use GamePass to get all first party titles at subscription prices. PS owners can pick and choose what is worth buying a license for. The caveat is that PS owners also get to pick and choose from the PlayStation catalog, which has always been much stronger.
Re: OlliOlli, Kerbal Space Program Teams Shut Down by GTA Publisher
Insult to injury is that this isn’t a market to “bounce back” in. Who’s hiring?
Re: Talking Point: What's Next for Xbox Games on PS5, PS4?
Fallout and Elder Scrolls are about the max of my caring. There just isn’t that much that Xbox publishes that I care about.
Re: Random: I Met My Favourite Korean Cheerleader Because of Eve and Stellar Blade
Congrats! Looked like a good time!
Re: Super Earth Demands Helldivers 2 Players Slaughter 2 Billion Terminids
Two billion sounds like a lot until you put your boots on. I logged on to two Major Order awards.
Did the personal mission and had 105 Warbonds in 15 minutes.
Then I spent it all on capes.
Re: PS Store Sales Charts: Helldivers 2 Dominates Once Again, Dragon's Dogma 2 in Third
I love the mocap behind the scenes on the making of the intro!
https://youtu.be/1-hyYeBh5oo?si=5sV7QNPEHP8AJLmw
Re: PSN Data Says Foamstars' Future Is Bleak, Just Two Months After Release
Another live service game proving that Helldivers is the exception, not the rule.
Re: Sea of Thieves Reportedly a 'Key Test' for More Xbox Games on PS5
I think we all know this is BS. Microsoft is making Xbox games multi console and they’re trying to not piss the Xbox core off by setting BS conditions that have already been met or exceeded just to save face with those that invested in their ecosystem. An ecosystem that is no longer needed with GamePass.
Re: Sea of Thieves Reportedly a 'Key Test' for More Xbox Games on PS5
@pyrrhic_victory
Given the preorder numbers, this is most likely an intentional leak to prepare the public for the shift to multi console support for the majority of games.
Re: Sea of Thieves Reportedly a 'Key Test' for More Xbox Games on PS5
@GamingFan4Lyf
I would love Flight Simulator if they gave it PSVR2 support. Starfield I would buy at discount now that it’s been thoroughly beta tested. Definitely not something I would have bought an Xbox for.
Re: Foamstars Introduces Chloe Noir in Upcoming Season 3 Update on PS5, PS4
Played it once. Got VIP. Never played again.
Re: Bungie Announces Destiny 2: The Final Shape Showcase for Next Week
I can’t remember the last time I played Destiny 2. Not this year or last. Don’t believe 2022 or 2021. I need to check and post an update.
Re: Big Helldivers 2 PS5, PC Update Adds New Weather Hazards, Increases the Level Cap
@LiamCroft
It’s what they didn’t put in the patch notes that is concerning!
😱
Re: Random: Vladimir Putin Considers Creation of Russian Gaming Console
@Czar_Khastik Jokes like that lead to windows comrade! But well done!
Re: Poll: Are You Playing the Stellar Blade Demo?
@Fritz167
My thoughts as well. The demo and music reminded me of Nier Automata. The Nier demo almost made me not buy the game. Luckily I did buy Nier and loved it but this will be a discount purchase if I get it.
Re: Jim Ryan Leaves PlayStation as PS5 Set to Become Its 'Most Successful Console Ever'
They’re having a similar discussion on Pure Xbox regarding Phil Spencer’s 10 years as lead of Xbox. I’d say it’s been a mixed bag for both of them, although seeing console exclusivity potentially end would be far worse than any of Jim Ryan’s missteps.
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2024/03/phil-spencer-celebrates-10-years-as-head-of-xbox-this-weekend
Re: Sony Beta Testing Intriguing New Feature in PS App on Mobile
I thought they already tried this…
Re: PlayStation Fans Torn on Prospect of PS5 Pro
I’m usually a day oner but I’m going to wait and see on this. If there’s something that makes it a must have, then maybe, but it’s gonna need to knock the ball out of the park The Natural style.
Re: Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail Fans Are at War
I have absolutely no idea what any of this is about but read the article anyway.
I still have absolutely no idea what any of this is about but enjoyed the article.
Re: Preview: TopSpin 2K25 Might Be Worth the 13-Year Wait
@get2sammyb
I saw the article and thought “Sammy!”
Re: Helldivers 2 Is Still Absolutely Killing It on PC, By the Way
I tried the mechs but found I wasn’t getting any post match rewards AND purchased a ship stratagem only to lose my samples with no stratagem. Decided to give it the weekend off after that.
Re: Please Stand By for Official Fallout Prime Video Trailer
@MaddieTian
$2.99 for a month of ad free. Can’t wait until streaming games have commercials that I can pay extra to avoid.
Re: Please Stand By for Official Fallout Prime Video Trailer
Such a relief after seeing the Borderlands trailer. And releasing all episodes day one? How 2020!
Re: Warner Bros' Reaction to Suicide Squad Flop Will Make You Question Your Sanity
I really enjoy Hogwarts Legacy, but I don’t want a Wizarding World live service game, which is what I’m hearing here.
Re: Helldivers 2 Sales Are Actually Increasing, Again
Obviously there will be new threats (northern and southern planets) and we already know about mechs, which will be a squishy TK fest I’m afraid.
Re: Poll: Are You Still Playing Helldivers 2?
It’s an easy bounce into/out of game. I probably play around 12-15 matches a week between Hogwarts and Miles Morales. Working the backlog.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth's PS5 Disc Labels Are Wrong in Japan, Asia
A postage stamp with an upside down airplane is a valuable collectible in the U.S. I remember selling my physical copy of Symphony of the Night for over $100. This will become a collector’s item.
Re: Sea of Thieves Players on PS5 Will Need a Microsoft Account to Play
Expected. Microsoft needs PlayStation (and Nintendo) gamers for Xbox “engagement” numbers. Just more proof that all Xbox “exclusives” are going multiplat. To meme it…
“All your games are belong to us”
Re: Xbox's Pentiment Is Out Now on PS5, PS4
Obviously Starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to PS5. The purpose of the multiplatform support isn’t to nickel and dime revenue off of smaller games, it’s to offset GamePass costs by generating sales on other consoles.
Honestly, Phil handled it brilliantly! The scripted moderator question on what the four games would be, specifically limiting it to those four, allowed Phil to come out and say "They are not Starfield or Indiana Jones."
Brilliant!
Next day headlines were “Starfield and Indiana Jones Remain Xbox Exclusives” and the Xbox faithful let out a deep sigh in relief. Sure, some Xbox games would be released, but they’d just be small, old games. Well, those small, old games will all be released by April, well before Starfield’s Shattered Space dlc and Indiana Jones even release.
So Phil kept his word. The four games weren’t Starfield or Indiana Jones. Now let’s see if the rumors were true that the PS5 port of Starfield would come after after Shattered Space and the Indiana Jones exclusivity would be relatively short. The rumors were pretty spot on, so I’m thinking both (and more) will happen.