Sony announced a rather exciting PS Plus revamp this week, but it’s a reminder that it’s forgotten the art of consumer relations. The organisation, which was unrivalled in this area during the early days of the PlayStation 4 era, seems utterly unable to effectively connect with its core customers right now – and while it’s not an end-of-times issue by any stretch of the imagination, it is something we should be talking about and something the company should be actively working to improve upon.
We’ve touched on this topic a number of times over the past two or three years, criticising PlayStation for its lack of effective communication, but it’s a problem that doesn’t appear to be getting better. Sony has become clinical and corporate; its announcements are often met with scepticism, and it’s never nimble enough to clarify when criticism sweeps over social media. The firm, frankly, feels out of touch – and while it’s still selling PS5 consoles hand over fist, we want it to do better.
We write this article because we care, and we want to see the organisation implement changes that improve its relationship with enthusiasts. Take the aforementioned announcement of PS Plus’ new tiers, for example – an exciting reveal by any reasonable metric. It’s not necessarily Sony’s fault that many of the details leaked, but the official confirmation was poorly conceived and has shaped the narrative you see online, which is largely negative.
Obviously the introduction of these new tiers is a difficult thing to communicate, but it didn’t even bother to produce a simple graphic to demonstrate the differences between the options. In addition to a PS Blog post, bigwig Jim Ryan conducted a couple of interviews with broadsheet-style gaming publications like Games Industry.biz and Famitsu, but these barely added anything to the PS Blog post beyond the vague promise that PS1 games are “looking great”.
Of course, we’re using our imagination over here because Sony didn’t post any screenshots, and couldn’t even prepare a trailer. In fact, outside of the confirmation that titles like Returnal and Marvel’s Spider-Man – is that the PS5 version or the PS4 version? – will be available with PS Plus Extra and PS Plus Premium, we still don’t know what the remaining 99.9% of the catalogue will look like. That percentage hasn’t been pulled out of our ass, by the way: the company’s boasting about a library of up to 740 games here, but it announced six of them.
We didn’t expect it to reveal every single game outright, but its ineffective communication is raising more questions than it’s answering. How often will new games be added? Will the titles be permanent additions or will they be removed after a few months, like PS Now? Will the PS1 and other classic titles include Trophies? Will there be any other additional perks as part of the emulation, like the ability to create save states or even rewind the gameplay?
And this speaks to a larger problem within PlayStation: we just don’t know when we’ll get any answers. Presumably the company has a promotional roadmap in mind, but it could be weeks, potentially even months, before it actually clarifies anything. The firm doesn’t have any relatable spokespeople on social media, so there’s no one online who can elaborate or respond to questions. It ultimately creates a dynamic where the company feels completely disconnected from its customers, at a time when most brands have become more open and approachable than ever before.
Of course, the cogs will keep turning and PlayStation will be just fine. But we exist in an era where Sony’s consumer relations are perhaps worse than they’ve ever been; where every announcement is met with scepticism and criticism and the company seems reluctant get out there and control the message. The most frustrating thing of all is that this is a very recent phenomenon; a chunk of the PS4’s success could be directly attributed to the company understanding its customers so well. That’s a distant memory these days, we’re afraid.
Do you care about the way Sony is drip-feeding information and communicating with its core enthusiast consumers, or is this all a storm in a teacup? Were you bemused by the way the PS Plus revamp was revealed, or are you feeling comfortable the key information will be confirmed in due course? Answer the important questions in the comments section below.
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True, such a far cry from the early days of ps4 as well. While I don't think that Jim is running the company badly or anything, this is definitely an area that has taken a complete nosedive.
This isn’t happening for another 2 months why do you need all this info now? are you just blindly going to purchase the premium. They will announce all the games give it time we might have a big showcase on the horizon we don’t know
I got my calculator out and I can confirm that per centage is correct.
It does feel like they're out of touch and corporate now.
Jimbo perfectly encapsulates that. Typical American CEO who's fake in all of his mannerisms. Out of touch, greedy, short term profit.
I've been their biggest fan, but it's hard to find any excitement nowadays for this hobby, which pretty much only consists of PS for me.
Edit: Point still stands, even if he was from Zimbabwe
Fair points all.
I tend to not worry about this stuff as much because PS5 is so much fun, and I don't really mind the lack of info because I know that they will tell us what we need to know in time, but the points are fair.
The only counter I would offer is that maybe we've all become super impatient, but I'd still like to hear what a Sony response to this would sound like.
If you guys were to reach out to them and quiz them on this, what are the chances they would respond to you? Push Square must be a sizeable community at this point, one that's getting hard to ignore.
For the record, I'm super excited for the new PS Plus. Can't wait. I loved that info yesterday.
Edit: I would add that whenever they do something that the fanbase are unhappy with, they tend to listen to the feedback. There's even an apology sometimes followed by either a concession or a 180.
Cross Platform play and closure of the legacy stores come to mind, or Polyphonic offering free currency and promising to rebalance the rewards in GT7.
Also, they were very transparent in that they don't want to compete with game pass because it detracts from the money going into their first-party projects, and that they want some live service options to generate revenue instead.
@BoldAndBrash Except he's English.
Multiple things about modern PlayStation's PR and marketing have been bothering me for ages now. They've stripped away any semblance or illusion of personality or fun to their whole image and culture, and they fully transformed into the typical boring, cold video game corporation. The boring State of Plays, the constant corporate puff pieces from Gameindustry.biz, the constant nickel-and-diming, the obsession with live services, the pursuit of multimedia crap, etc. They might financially be doing very well, but they have completely lost the plot when it comes to preserving niche culture and good customer relations. Herman Hulst is wrong. PlayStation isn't "cool" anymore.
I haven’t been a fan of their communication tactics but I’ve also been very out of touch with how social media/influencers work these days to get news out.
Maybe they’re more aware of how the casual audience absorbs news and this tactic works to reach those people?
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I have to agree with the general sentiment and I'd like them to do a little better in that department - but I also think the vast majority of their audience would never notice any of this
I think it's mental that Sony announced an overhaul of the biggest subscription service in gaming and didn't make a video...or even a graphic that shows the tiers in a simple, easy-to-read way. Just went with a blog post that outlines everything in bullet points.
Truly baffling stuff.
I disagree with this article. Sony is changing and the fanbase is skeptical of both the changes and the leadership (Jim Ryan especially). The only way to address that is to muddle through the changes.
The drip-feed of information is due to the fact that these changes don't happen overnight. Sony is integrating multiple new studios, launching a revamped service, launching a revamped major peripheral, attempting to grow at live services and multiplayer games, as well as the general difficulty of a new console all through a chip shortage and pandemic. They have chosen to give information when they can confirm it and I respect that approach.
The internet fanbase is not going to care about what Sony says no matter how they say it. The aren't going to believe in these changes as they happen. They will only believe in the results on the other side. For that reason, I think Sony is right to ignore the negativity and just keep pushing.
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If your customer base is excited by the arrival of a blog post, you know your engagement is awful.
@BoldAndBrash
He’s not American.
I get it, our companies and CEOs are the worst human beings in the world. But we ain’t claiming Jim Ryan.
The first rule of PS Plus is - you don’t talk about PS Plus.
@Voltan That's the thing isn't?
We're mad for this stuff, but I wonder how much of a return they would get from that extra effort.
I see so many headlines saying "Phil Spencer says..." but outside of E3 I've never listened to the guy speak. There's obviously an audience for that, but how big is it outside of the core demographic?
@Master_Shake To your comment about how Sony is changing, Ryan did that interview last year saying that Sony are going through a massive transition period as they streamline everything.
It does seem like they are in a lull as they focus on building behind the scenes.
I miss Jerry Lambert’s fake PS CEO Kevin Butler from the late PS3 era.
That was Sony’s marketing at its absolute best. The ads were both hilarious and informative.
I’d love to see them bring him back for that role. It’s one of the things that helped save the PS3 and made it the cool console to have when the Slim came out.
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Not only that but I'm convinced Sony has hired someone from Nintendo to name those tiers for them.
I mean to a lot of people out of the 'bubble' WiiU and 'NEW' Nintendo 3DS XL really confused a lot of people.
I mean what are we gonna call them short hand? 'PPE' (tier1) also 'PPE' (tier2) and PPP (tier3).
That's a lot of confusing P's.
@lolwhatno indeed. And a bad example is a bad example.
@munstre exactly. The average gamer couldn't care less about things that many people complain about online. And the sales reflect that. Thankfully, exclusives are still the main criterion most gamers use to buy a console.
@DnBSkillz No, I didn't expect all the information right now. But do you not agree that, with a little more clarity, this announcement could have been better received?
And further to that, with the way Sony conducts itself these days, we don't know when any of these questions will be answered.
Let me try again without the “inappropriate language” lol (that makes it seem like I said something really bad Pushsquare!)
So, yes, ever since the global centralisation of their various national arms (or tentacles in some cases) lots of things, such as their consumer relations, developer relations in Asia, and censorship policies, have been…bad.
This is absolutely true, and I really think it is what could lose Sony its place in the market. In all honesty, the biggest problem PSNOW really had was perception - besides the day one exclusives the selection wasn't a million miles away from Gamepass but the difference is MS threw their weight behind GP and clearly communicate it and it's benefits, as well as a concerted effort to get people on board with enticing promotions and early deals. By contrast, there is still a sizeable contingent of people who still think PSNOW is purely a streaming service.
Well a State of Play is due.
I thought that was going to be the big news this week. Not this ps plus crap. Services is the least exciting thing of gaming for me. Some people are more hype that a game is coming to a service more than games themselves.
The announcement of PS1, PSP and PS3 support is good, what would be great would be if I could play the games from those systems I own digitally for 'free' on PS5. It was great that if you bought a PS1 classic back in the day, it was playable on PSP, PS3, Vita and even PS TV. Most PSP digital purchases also worked on Vita. This whole subscription model for games access, I'm not a fan. I know Nintendo have taken the same approach, but I think I preferred 'old' Sony in this regard.
The feeling that the Sony PS3 to early PS4 gave me is dead.
Sony feels more like the Xbox One days to me.
Though there is clearly room for some improvement, I feel like this issue is constantly overblown.
Expectations are always far too high even when PlayStation themselves tell you what to expect.
People are often more the problem than PlayStation
"the official confirmation was poorly conceived and has shaped the narrative you see online, which is largely negative."
My negative opinion of it wasn't shaped by the delivery of the message, but the content, in this case, the fact that the legacy library is locked behind a paywall.
If the legacy titles were also accessible through paid downloads and discs, I'd be completely happy with the rest of the PS+ packages.
Sony seems to be just dropping information as soon as it's ready. They've done it with every acquisition the past two years and most SoP announcements. Very little build up or spin since they left E3. I think those who have grown up with gaming hype are feeling like this new strategy is cold and analytical but I don't think Sony cares. It works and that seems like enough.
I would have liked if Sony could have given some examples of classic games coming. I didn't expect them to list everything there but just some examples from each platform to at least give us some excitement and an idea of what we're getting.
Not great but they make the console and games that i enjoy
@TheRedComet
Well you've dodged that bullet then
The word 'tier' still makes me shudder after UK's first lockdown(s).
PlayStation these days just seems incredibly bland with the way they present themselves to the world. I know Jim gets a lot of bashing but, I genuinely believe, he would sound just as excited and engaging if he was talking about tupperware instead of PlayStation.
For me all it was missing was a couple of examples for the PS1, PS2, PSP games. It gave examples on the top end systems but none for the old school fans. Other than that it was fine from my point of view. They clearly aren't trying to upsell the average user to the higher tier hence why no flashy business.
I don't really care too much personally but I can definitely understand wanting to have someone who can act as the face of the company. Sony plays a little too close to the chest sometimes these days like Nintendo...and I would prefer they not run their business like Nintendo.
Say what you will about Phil Spencer but it's pretty impressive how well he handles the Xbox fanbase. He knows how to talk to his audience which while I'm not on the bash Jim Ryan constantly train, it can't be denied that's just not something Jim Ryan seems interested in doing.
Well written article and spot on. Sony has become so tight lipped for the PS5 generation that I honestly worry if it could end up being the worst Playstation era. There's nothing that Sony has announced that really has my interest. I've only bought 3 PS5 games since launch and continue playing PS4 games. It's getting to be kind of pathetic... and this coming from a 27 year fan.
I mean it's either bad messaging or they intentionally trying to mislead costumers but some decisions seem play incompetent.. How could they possibly not foresee that advertising "trials" as a reason to get the premium tier was gonna get them laughed out of the room... Not advertising that or even not including that would have been better from a PR point of view
@PenguinL
Actually, Game Pass has three options, too.
Xbox Game Pass, PC Game Pass, and Game Pass Ultimate (which combines both iterations of Game Pass and adds Xbox Live Gold).
"We exist in an era where Sony’s consumer relations are perhaps worse than they’ve ever been; where every announcement is met with scepticism and criticism"
We exist in an era where some of the most toxic amoung us have a platform that allows them to communicate with the world. No amount of change Sony could make to address communications will silence people who behave like this online everyday. They will never be able do anything right without certain individuals finding fault.
I grew up in a time where you needed to buy a magazine to find out what was going on in the industry, now people get emotional when all of their questions and demands aren't immediately met.
I got all the information I need in this moment in time from the blog post. When it releases in just 2 months I will know exactly what's available on each tier and make an informed decision as to which one suits me best. While I'm waiting I'll get on with life and not look for reasons to be outraged on the Internet everyday.
Ultimately what I care about is good games. As long as Sony keeps releasing those, i'm on board.
@Intr1n5ic I've said something similar in the past - I usually point out that to see E3 back in the day I'd have to send a tenner to GameMaster and they'd send out a VHS of camcorder footage of demos from the show floor. I'm conditioned to just be happy when the info gets here.
There's a need for instant info these days. Maybe those of us who are a little bit older just don't need the info that quickly.
Myself and my friend in work had been super excited over the last month waiting for that blog post yesterday.
When it came we lost our minds. We're still buzzing. PS1 games! Gods that's all I needed to hear.
I feel like they’ve got complacent after the domination of the previous generation, they appear to be reaching Nintendo levels of “Doesn’t matter how we do it, they’ll buy it anyway” confidence. I miss the days of Shawn Layden, who seemed to show genuine enthusiasm and heart for the industry, now it just comes across cold and hollow with zero effort. It’s a real shame.
I honestly can't wait until Ryan is gone. Things have been worse under him. Someone who is personable and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth also better understands how to play the market I think because he can read his core audience, and stuff like all these exclusives coming to PC, I'm not convinced they are a good idea long term (short term profit it's a good idea though). Same with $70 games with gamepass right there.
Sure, PS is still selling great, but considering all the stuff MS is doing, some of that momentum will get lost and PR is part of that. If the early PS4/XOne didn't show that, nothing will.
I'm not saying Sony will be doomed, but I think they will lose market share in end because Ryan can't read the room.
I mean, I think GoW is one of the greatest games ever made, and after the deception regarding it not being on PS4 (plus $70), I've lost all interest in it until it at least his a huge price drop, and then it won't be a priority. That game should have been an effortless day one sell to me.
@PenguinL
Fair enough
I may be showing my age - but like Roy Keane - I think the need for good customer relations is a load of nonsense - just play the bleeping game and stop all this needing handholding nonsense.
When I was a lad you got zero customer relations - bought games at a market stall based on the reviews in a magazine.
Enough of this endless waffle.
To be honest, I think their revamp makes perfect sense - even if its 'Not' that similar to Game Pass. It also needed to be 'updated' for the new 'generation' so why not rebrand it.
Sony has about 50m PS+ subscribers but about 2m of those subbed to PSNow. This 'revamp' isn't about 'competing' with Game Pass, but maybe encouraging some of those 48m PS+ gamers to pay a 'bit' more. The next tier up keeps things 'more' modern so more enticing to the majority and for the 'retro' fans, there is a higher tier but ultimately, its about getting 'consumers' to give them more money a month.
Sony are a Sales driven business - they want to be the best selling, have the 'best selling games' etc and a 'competitor' to Game Pass would undermine their Business model. MS is more about reach, having more people accessing your product, putting 'software' into more peoples homes (like they did with Windows, MS Office etc). MS would rather reach 20m players per game in the first week, than sell an average of 4-5m over its lifetime, and maybe only sell 2m when the profit margin was highest - the rest buying due to sales, discounts etc.
Both Sony & MS are operating with a very different business model so what 'works' for one could be detrimental to the other. This works for Sony's model and will no doubt bring 'more' revenue in without necessarily offering/doing more. If just 10% of PS+ subscribers pay a bit more for Tier 2, that 'millions' in extra revenue Sony wasn't getting with PS+/PSNow.
@Richnj I hadn’t really thought about it but, yeah, Xbox offers pure BC to a large but limited library while Sony offers the opposite and makes you pay a high price for a large chunk of it.
Sure I want more info but I can wait to make any type of decision on the new plans. You can play a lot of PS3 games on PS Now via streaming, and a handful of PS2 games. There are a lot of PS1 and PS2 classics on PS3 for purchase. I hope they just don't repackage all this as one subscription. I want more than what they've already offered, or different.
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To confirm, you didn't pull that percentage out of your donkey?
I agree. They should have shown more details and more beauty with at least one trailer.
It is likely that more information will be published in the future and they will show us advertisements and trailers of it.
What about existing PS Plus accounts? Mine doesn't expire till 2024. PS Plus accounts are essentially "Essential". Will we be able to upgrade the existing subscription to the next "Extra" tier by paying the difference??
Lack of communication from Sony is a recurring theme here, and it's a fair point, though I do wonder if the issue is of greater concern if your job is to aggregate and publish news about a tight lipped company. I'm fairly neutral given that Sony is pretty consistent in what they deliver even if they don't talk a good game.
That being said, expanding their social media engagement seems like a surefire way to shoot themselves in the foot more often than they do now. If they're already bad at communication, more of it not a solution. Precise and clear seems like the way to go, two traits that don't seem to thrive on social media.
I feel like releasing a console during a pandemic didn't help , but also the whole work environment time crunch plays a part in it as well. I’m sure that pushed back a bunch of games release dates. I guess we will see what’s to come in the future. Sony always seem to have the problem of announcing games too soon as well and I don’t think they want to announce anything too far off.
@Amnesiac like in my post people would always complain certain games were announced too soon and took forever to release. So it’s like you are dammed if you do and if you don’t.
Bottom line they need to get rid of current management.
Jim Ryan is just laughable and unrelatable as a gaming sector head.
The industry as a whole is undergoing a subtle pushback against this rampant and widespread attempt to turn the gaming industry into recurring revenue streams by gutting what made gaming so great in favor of design loops fully focused on slot machine like addiction to needless cosmetics, loot, etc.
The pushback we have seen regarding microtransactions and NFTs is just in its infancy, and we already know Sony has a slew of live service garbage in development, further ruining titles, as I anticipate they will do with Twisted Metal.
As fans, and consumers we have continue to do what was done with GT7, until these corps shift course. Vote with your wallet and voice your opinions regardless of the fan-humans, and websites unwilling to do so because their own revenue stream depends on building Sony up.
Well yeah; they are the most consumer hostile gaming company right behind Nintendo.
Also pretty consumer hostile in electronics as well. Let's not even mention that root kit mess.
@Bloodklot Exactly, we have no idea what would happen in your circumstance!
Fair points and everyone can always do better but it seems like most folk want all the details now when we're months out.
There's nothing to pre order so I'm fine with it being drip fed as we get closer to the relaunch.
Patience. Gamers these days seem to lack it.
@Shepherd_Tallon I think you're right. There was an appreciation and excitement for anything game related back then, it's definitely helped shape the way I feel when I hear about new info today.
I felt the same as you about this announcement as well, although it's the psp titles that are going to be on offer that intrigued me. I'm looking forward to that.
And speaking of gamesmaster magazine, you just reminded me of the Gamesmaster TV show growing up. Simpler times.
As usual, you just want answers right away to every question you have. The service launches in June and we are about to head into April. We are still months out, these things sort themselves out over time.
Jimbob is a large amount of the problem but a special mention to Herman Hulst who doesn't seem to know what he's announcing from one day top the next.
I really think that if they didn't have Mark Cerny doing such a top job (bar the PS5's size) Playstation would be on its uppers.
I think back to the halcyon days of the PS4 with House, Layden, etc. and whilst they did make a few boo-boos (Evolution, Studio Liverpool and the Vita cock-up) they had a passion for Playstation - the games & the brand.
Jimbob and his minions just come across as corporate suits that are only concerned with profits and their bonuses.
In all seriousness, I kind of wish we had someone like Phil Spencer as PS CEO - someone who actually gives a damn about what they're trying to sell.
Sony are Japanese but Playstation has become some dreary American Microsoft clone?
@KundaliniRising333 I don’t care at all about online play and live service. No one makes multiplayer games like they used to anymore. I will only supports development teams that can create a solid single player game with no micro transactions (which half of the industry can’t even get right most of the time) I can’t trust Sony with live service after GT7, and I’m not even interested in the online subscriptions they offer.
I prob said this last time you did this article but even at the start of PS4 they were going downhill. Unfortunately I think they realised in the ps3 era that if they engage with people they had to clean up when they mess up. But if they don’t people just give up and go away.
I wonder, out of the 50 million current playstation plus/playstation now subscribers how many actually know about the change? Surely they are to send out emails and alerts on the actual playstation 4 & 5 consoles. Not everyone is going to read that blog post
@Intr1n5ic "an appreciation and excitement for anything game related back then"
Exactly this. We just wanted to read a magazine every month and check the previews section to see what was down the road. I had no idea who the heads of PlayStation or Nintendo were back then, let alone how they engaged with people.
The internet changed all of that I guess.
I still watch the old GamesMaster episodes on YouTube sometimes btw! Just for the nostalgia kick. Knightmare too.
@UltimateOtaku91 I got a notification immediately by email yesterday. This is what part of it said.
What this means for you - You don’t need to do anything. As a current member of both services, we’ll automatically migrate you to a single subscription plan in the new, improved PlayStation Plus service – with a single recurring payment date and price – unless one or both of your memberships expire before the new service launches.
Does anyone actually plan on playing PS, PS2, PS3 games using this service for an extended period of time ? They are just so outdated, you can get a quick dose of nostalgia out of it for an hour but guarantee you won’t last a few hours before quitting. This is why they make remasters/remakes. People freaking out over PS3 cloud streaming , like who cares ? You wanna go back and play PS3 games , seriously ?
@get2sammyb @bloodknot and wouldn't it be all too predictable that they say no, you pay full wallop on top of what you have now. If this happens, it really does back this article up along with the greed that's now plaguing them.
@Shepherd_Tallon Knightmare felt like it was so ahead of it's time, I was blown away with that as a kid. I've never thought to look up either of them on youtube, I'm gonna do that at work later.
@Intr1n5ic Both shows have gotten me through many a dreary afternoon at my desk.
@Intr1n5ic just checked and got the same email as well, it's a bit lacking in detail as it doesn't really say anything about the tiers and what they offer
@Wasted_Smuggler
Exactly. I did not pay for a PS5 + 4KTV to play PS3 games (2,000+ PS3 games I can Emulate on PC, never done it)
At this point I am sure Sony sees PS5 sales, PS+ Subscriptions and 3rd party games sales on PS vs Switch/Xbox
And understand that most of the base are not ranting and raving about every single thing they do.
@UltimateOtaku91 It has a blue box at the bottom that says find out more, that takes you straight to the blog.
@Wasted_Smuggler
"They are just so outdated, you can get a quick dose of nostalgia out of it for an hour but guarantee you won’t last a few hours before quitting. This is why they make remasters/remakes."
I spent the entire year of 2020 catching up on and finishing PS3 games.
Wouldn't it make more sense that the reason they make remasters and remakes is because people actually still want to play these games?
And wasn't the big game for the PS5 launch, a PS3 remake?
There’s no ‘issue’.
The only issue is we live now in a world where people want populist like leaders who tell them what they think they want to hear and go superficially virtue signalling (or blaming accusing distraction) That’s exactly what the press also wants for easy clickbait articles everyday.
Facts and reality written plainly doesn’t matter much unfortunately.
It’s all about being a good show 🙄
The near absolute lack of specifics about the content of their catalogue is by far the biggest issue. I can't get excited over a service when I don't even know what it's gonna offer.
@Richnj I don’t know really. I do want to play some PS3 games, but I just can’t do it because they are outdated to me , that’s why I prefer a modern day remake. I just don’t know how people can play these games anymore to be honest in the state that they are in, it really shouldn’t be this big of an issue.
@Wasted_Smuggler I don't think people in general find these games as outdated as you. You have games like GTA, Minecraft, Fifa, and COD being the most played games on most platforms, and two of those are PS3 games, and the other two haven't changed since the PS3.
I know I don't find these games unplayable even if things do feel dated. Lately I've been playing Skyrim and RE4 (again, PS3 games) and some of their quirkiness is exactly what I enjoy about them. Then there's the other hand where many of today's games' designs haven't actually evolved much since the PS3 days. One of the biggest differences is resolution and overall image quality and I find that to be a rather superficial complaint. It would be like preferring the Meg over Jaws because the former has a better looking shark.
Jesus. Will the gaming community ever be happy?
PS can indeed improve their comms, and i am the first pushing for this, but come on give them a break. This is a great first approach to their version of Xbox Game Pass. And the platform and offering will continue evolving.
The only real issues here are the same as usual: fake outrage, vocal minorities, excessive entitlement, echo chambers and so on.
Sony did exactly what it should have done: treat this announcement in the most low profile way as it possibly could to minimize direct comparisons with Game Pass. A quick "hey, we're folding PS+ and PS Now in a more flexible way, the rest is business as usual".
No long-term promises or unnecessary details for now. Let this be a slow burn thing and course correct along the way.
Maybe I missed this, but is the PS+ Premium backward compatible tier, exclusive to PS5?
That makes me think of Road to PS5. Amazing speech from Cerny. Absolutely mind blowing stuff.
Reaction were bad and the presentation criticised and completely misreported in the press even DF Eurogamer completely got it wrong and spread false information. Cerny used plain English.
The press and a lot of the public wanted a show of BS. Sad reality
@ShogunRok
Its still couple a months away, everyone should be more patiënt. But nowadays we need to know everything in seconds. I'm sure we'll find out all by June.
@JJ2
Yep, it,s not Sony that has problems with communication, it's the media. Makes you wonder why Sony takes the time to send information.
@TommyNL
Cerny :
‘ Results are excellent though we recently took a look at the top hundred PlayStation 4 titles…’
Eurogamer published a full article that was still up months later (removed now) describing how BC was handled the same way as it was on Xbox 1 with 100 titles at launch and progressively more added as time goes by etc
Baffling stuff and only one example.
@johncalmc But the number is 99.2 not 99.9 🧐
Great article. Totally on target. This era of playstation sucks on a corporate level. I miss the 2010-2014 era.
At this point those 700 games could be like Nintendo Online, where they release them piecemeal style.
Sony really needs to improve its communication. With this new service I can imagine that since no titles were unveiled among those 400 PS4/PS5 games, many who sign the PS+ since the PS4 launch (2014) may have a large percentage of these 400 games which were already given. This will be worth for these people?
Sony should consider to show the selection list OR let the subscriber choose the titles among a larger selection. Otherwise, more problems will come for sure.
Once we all know what games are in the new tiers(remember yesterday was just a blog post of what is coming) then SONY can go all out in promoting it to the masses who don't follow Blogs/Twitter etc etc(unlike me who follows this stuff like a religion every second of the day. While gaming of course)
@TommyNL @JJ2 I'm self aware enough to know when I'm straying towards a need for an echo chamber. I usually make a point of pulling myself back and being confident enough to be happy with my own conclusions based on the facts.
But feck me it's a relief to see other people pointing out how the media seems to wilfully misinterpret Sony sometimes. That top hundred titles is a classic example.
If Sony had rocked out the bells and whistles yesterday people would be saying it should have been more low key. If they had made promises about game lineups that they weren't in a position to make they would have been shredded down the line.
I read an article earlier saying two things I almost applauded:
They're trying to control the narrative on this one because they want to portray this as a supplimentary service, rather than the be all and end all that MS needs Game Pass to be.
Ultimately the products they make are their primary form of communication and that’s been going ok. But I agree with the article because (1) it points out simple, obvious ways they could do better and (2) competition is real now. Microsoft is at the top of their game and their comma strategy is light years better.
Sony's marketing is somewhat baffling lately.
They'll have some State of Plays that have underwhelming content, to say the least, and then they'll do something as exciting as the uncovering of the PSVR2 via a random blog post.
When you are the top dog why try harder right? Well maybe because your competition is offering proper backwards compatibility, a more powerfull machine, and a better value subscription! Dammit Sony you are making microsoft look consumer friendly and in-touch! That's how bad it is...
@BeerIsAwesome I totally agree with you!
I think there is an information epidemic going on. I’m getting really bored with complaining from media about it - especially Sony centered. I stopped listening to Podcast Beyond partly because they complained at never getting enough, quality or proper information from Sony for a 1 hour show - like they are owed it - while Sacred Symbols have access to the same information and run 3+ hours every week.
I see an obvious bias in heavily media consumer centric patrons and influencers, you tubers, journalists that require this infinite stream of information to quell, live, strive and repeat. That they assume their disposition is shared across the board.
We’ll get the answers eventually, and make choices.
The aforementioned peeps specifically owe companies like Sony for their jobs / income - not the other way around. Sony could do better, but it’s only hyperbolic in this realm.
@Art_Vandelay "minimize direct comparisons with Game Pass."
Then Jim's goal ended in complete and utter failure of extraordinary proportions 🙂
@naruball "Thankfully, exclusives are still the main criterion most gamers use to buy a console."
Wrong! A minority (vocal minority 🙃) of gamers pick their console based on it's exclusives, the vast majority of console sales are from casuals who are only interested in playing GTAV, FIFA, Minecraft, COD and Fortnite!
@Shepherd_Tallon
Exactly. It isn’t Sony who made a fuss about it for days before and created big unrealistic expectations.
For most people who only have basic PS+ like me there’s no change at all after all.
Seriously the press has actually been making such a fuss about ‘counter game-pass’ for a good while now with regular articles now and then. Then they get shocked when it’s not the ‘TADA’ moment they literally made up in their own mind.
Worse they won’t admit it’s not the ‘counter gamepass’ they made up. They won’t admit they were wrong. They still pretend it s supposed to be that but they point out the ‘counter gamepass’ thingy that is not should be more presented the way they speculated it would be.
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@get2sammyb
Good morning.
Just taking your PS4’s success point about Sony supposedly having different approach. I’d argue it’s more the press approach that changed. I don’t remember Sony making much fuss about explaining stuff.
Example
Used games and DRM
Shu made only one statement in March 2013 confirming used games with no restriction on PS4. Then Sony only waited E3 to respond to uninformed concerned in a blow to Xbox.
(It was even to the point still now people ridiculously believe Sony planned the same and changed ‘at the last minute’ at E3 when they saw the bad reception Xbox got)
Back today
Hardly any word from the press on Xbox still anti consumer DRM with no new gen game on the discs at all but only downloadable version. No word supporting PS5 disc playable without internet on PlayStation.
Instead promoting the always online subscription model.
Who changed really?
@PenguinL Do you know what is simpler than 2 tiers? 1 tier. Also, Xbox has 3 tiers if you include Games with Gold, so this is very comparable. The big problem is not on Sony's end, it is the gaming news outlets and fanboys who want Game Pass for PlayStation. Sony never gave us any reason to expect that, in fact, they have clearly communicated that they won't be having games day and date of release.
What they are doing doesn't really interest me personally, but there is a clear method to it. They are streamlining the services and Sony recognizes that they aren't going to be expanding the market that much. For all of Microsoft's efforts with Game Pass, they only have 25 million subscribers and they are giving away all their content, so sacrificing a lot of potential full-price sales. There are currently 50 million PS+ subscribers and that seems to be the ceiling of what they can achieve. The idea is to upsell the current PS+ subscribers. It seems like a solid plan.
@BoldAndBrash Even if he is not American, Jim Ryan is very corporate. There definitely was a fun vibe about PlayStation on the PS4. Hard-nosed business decisions like closing down Japan Studio and pivoting away from Japanese games and live service games make me love PlayStation and gaming less than in the PS4 era. The problem is that now they have some real competition from Xbox, so it is important to be maximizing profit unless they become irrelevant. The thing is that they also have to remember what made them special and remember that some of the most interesting games come from the smaller budget games.
@ShogunRok Yes, they should have had a graphic in the blog post, but this is just the first stage of getting the information out there for a launch for a product that isn't coming for another 2 months. It is just to inform the engaged player base, and they will provide a lot more information later on.
Eh, suppose they could do better with that kinda stuff, but I never pay much attention to what is officially said anyway, as it is mostly marketing and PR fluff.
@PapaGlitch For the reasons you give Sony are getting rid of the Now branding. The problem was they were first on the scene and the initial concept was for streaming games, but it evolved over time, and now it is just confusing.
Xbox is the challenger brand. With the fact that they needed to catch up and the scale of the parent company of Microsoft, they offered a new model that they hope will be very profitable in the long term (probably once they push the subscription prices right up). In all the time Game Pass has been going there have hardly been any great day one first party games. If the new PS+ service can be more of a match for Game Pass in terms of the third party games, it will be far superior to Game Pass if it is slightly cheaper and has 1 year old PlayStation Studio games compared to brand new (new= broken and/or incomplete these days) Xbox Studios games.
The only way Sony could lose its place in the market is to lose focus on the fact that quality games are what really matter.
@Verzion214 I think it's a case of get the negative reactions out of the way, maybe even lower expectations, then impress with the proper presentation for PS+ plus.
@DualWielding @Korgon I'd rather have Jim Ryan than Uncle Phil. I'm old school. I don't care for this direct communication between fanboys and the CEO. Xbox seems to be more about the brand of Phil Spencer than anything else.
@DualWielding There is not enough push back on the trails being in the top tier. But, maybe Sony are just trying to test the water without potentially losing money. They should find that people will buy more games if they can try them, so maybe it will be rolled out to everyone as a basic service if the data supports that.
I miss a face for PlayStation. Xbox has Phil Spencer, sure he looks like he just jerked off before he gets on camera but he is recognizable and knows how to sell mediocracy very well. Nintendo has Shinya Takahashi and sure it is (fittingly) very Japanese and to a western person maybe a bit stiff and silly but it works. And PlayStation got, well, nothing. Jim isn't suited for it but for games I think Hermen Hulst together with Shuhei Yoshida would be a great power couple and we have Mark Cerny to do hardware but that leaves services and stuff like Plus open and it isn't just one face. After 2+ years of lockdowns I need to see a human talking to me a bit and share my passion for what is a great product. Maybe bring back the actor who played Kevin Butler in the PlayStation commercials, he was fun.
@Master_Shake
Steady on, your view is balanced and considered, are yiu sure your a gamer?
Seriously though, i feel exactly the same. The same 1% of their customer base who read these sections and inhabit the online media space will moan and complain about just about anything. If Sony gave em a Ruby they would moan it was not a diamond. It seems pretty clear that this situation will not affect their bottom line and the sucess of their products much at all.
Unfortunately this situation means its much harder for them to understand when change is trully necessary as most genuine concerns are hidden under the general malaise of internet bitching, so it takes a real spike for them to see a situaion that genuinely needs immediate attention, like the recent gt7 changes.
It does rather feel like they look at the online froth and shrug their shoulders and say 'cant win, no point in trying'. When its not gonna make any difference to the overall success of their products, you can understand that.
This article is well written and identifies what would help fix it:
A net savy communications team that works and responds to influencers and media outlets quickly and effectively.
Its a shame that the toxic online space is such that they simply might ignore the need.
@JJ2 You have to wonder if Sony are looking at years of online outrage, then looking at their own sales numbers and saying to themselves, "Well we keep adjusting to the feedback, we're as open as we can be about what we won't do and why, but they keep screaming at us. What's the point in trying to appease those people over there when all of these people here are buying in anyway?"
Constructive and legitimate feedback is always useful of course. I genuinely wouldn't dare be dismissive of that or of someone who had a different opinion than me. To do so would be unconstructive I feel. But there is a lot of "Not as good as Game Pass therefore not good" going around, which I just don't agree with at all.
Sometimes I think we're too close to these companies. I'm happy to buy a cheese burger but I don't know who runs Mc Donalds 🤷♂️
"Sony's Biggest Problem Is Consumer Relations"
Errr... no, Sony's biggest problem is utter laziness and lack of proper interest for it's clients needs and wishes.
I dare them to show the real differences between what was PS Now and it's counterpart from what is now called Premium tier.
Aside from the possibility to download PS4 and PS5 games, that will certainly be available only on the consoles, and not on PC, what did they change in this service?
I guess it's normal they didn't advertise this change of service too much. They don't have many new things to show.
So, in my case at least, I'm sticking with the Essential tier, until they actually change/improve the parts that can make the investment of 120$ a year worth it.
If I wasn't enjoying Ghosts of Tsushima right now, my PS5 wouldn't get turned on.
Sony is really resting on its laurels from the brand loyalty built during the PS4 peak.
@Master_Shake There’s a difference between ignoring negativity and straight up ignoring criticism. That’s why they think they can get away with everything because their fanbase never holds them accountable. And the people who do criticize Sony are just dismissed as Xbox trolls.
@Juanalf I said "minimize", not "avoid" because it is obviously unavoidable. But the framing is important here. This is still PS+, but better. Not PlayStation Pass.
And interestingly, if we do compare metrics, the new PS+ will be born with twice as many subscribers as Game Pass. Sure it's cheaper, but again, optics.
Being a Playstion user from the begging I really have no issue with how they are doing things.
@Shepherd_Tallon
Yes I’m not completely sure what you meant but talking metaphors I like mcDonalds and I don’t like BurgerKing. It’s always feels strange to me when someone brags about eating at both every day and being a real fast food lover looking down on people who only like McDonalds and have a small belly.
Having a laugh here haha
@JJ2 😂😂 No worries, I chuckled.
@Eleventy8 I'm glad you said this, because I'm genuinely curious about the perspective. Please don't misunderstand me when I disagree with you, but I'm curious to know what you feel Sony were doing 2 years in to the PS4 cycle that they are not doing now.
Resting on their laurels, I genuinely don't see it that way.
I would argue that they are absolutely not resting on their laurels at all. They are in a transition and building phase (something that they confirmed last year) and are laying the groundwork for the next 10 - 15 years.
For me, the only difference between today and 2015 is Game Pass. Everything Sony do is in the shadow of free first party games on Game Pass. It's something that they, and Nintendo, simply can't mirror without a massive subsidy from an external source.
I'm having the time of my life with PS5, I'm very excited for the future of the platform, and I can't wait to get my thumbs on the PS1 catalogue when it arrives.
Again, please don't assume I'm being dismissive of your comment. I'm genuinely interested in the perspective and offering my own counter points.
@Oz_Momotaro In terms of content and design, yeah, they are still the same.
The OP didn't specify what they meant by "outdated", because there's two interpretations.
One is that the designs of older games do not match today's, but then we can clearly see that remasters and new itirations do not change this and people still love them.
The other is that the general performance isn't good enough, which is a valid point, and remasters fix this (normally) but not all games get a remaster. But people are still playing on Switches, and the XBox BC games get massively boosted frame rate and resolution.
Look at the God of War, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, and Little Big Planet. Or third party titles like Lost Planet, Dead Space, RDR 1, Rage, Oblivion, and the Splinter Cell games. The Former are just not getting remasters, at all. All of the latter, no remasters, but are available on xbox through the BC program. Yes, I'd prefer a remaster, but in the absence of that, I'd very much take BC than not have those games at all.
It just seems like an odd dismissal of BC of older games, to call them outdated and pretty much unplayable, and advocate to not have any version of them at.
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