The games industry is caught in a tidal wave of negativity, and if you pay attention to social media, you may be forgiven for thinking the sky is falling. Sony posted a pretty positive financial report earlier this week, but the headlines that have come out of it run counter to that: PS5 declined 29 per cent year-over-year, is trending behind PS4 worldwide, and missed its revised forecast.
Here’s why context is important.
A year ago, between 1st January and 31st March 2023, the PS5’s sales exploded 219 per cent year-over-year. This is because Sony, as was widely publicised at the time, finally solved its pandemic-induced stock issues, and launched a gigantic global campaign to promote its new-gen console’s availability. This resulted in a record-breaking quarter for the brand, where it shipped 6.3 million consoles.
To put that into perspective: the PS4’s best-ever Q4 managed just 3.1 million units, less than half the abovementioned total. The 29 per cent decline in this most recent quarter is being compared to unprecedented success, then. In fact, the 4.5 million units that PS5 did ultimately ship is significantly higher than the PS4 record discussed above.
It’s true that PS5 is trending just under a million units behind PS4 at this point in its lifecycle, but additional context is needed here, too. The disruption caused by the pandemic has caused this generation to become lopsided, where Sony’s basically been playing catch-up since the start. Not only that but the PS4 Pro had released at this stage in the previous generation, and the PS4 Slim had received several sharp price cuts as well.
Circana’s Mat Piscatella noted on social media this week that PS5 is actually 7 per cent ahead of PS4 launch aligned in the United States, meaning it’s the rest of the world where the new-gen console is falling behind. And there’s a very simple explanation for that: Sony has actually increased the price of its flagship format in basically all regions outside of the United States.
This article isn’t intended to paint PlayStation in a perfect light: there are still issues the manufacturer needs to overcome. Can it get the price of hardware down and reach a wider audience? Can it accelerate first-party software development to release titles in a timelier manner? And can it improve its profit margins, so it’s not operating on a constant knife-edge?
These are all things that incoming CEOs Hermen Hulst and Hideaki Nishino will need to resolve. But in the light of a seemingly never-ending stream of video game industry negativity, sometimes it’s important to bring some context. Sony has plenty of work to do, there’s no doubt about that – but look beyond the fear-mongering headlines, and you’ll see PS5 is doing just fine.
What are your thoughts on the PS5’s performance recently, and what can Sony do to maintain momentum? Are you worried consoles are on the way out, or is all the negativity getting a little overblown online? Let us know in the comments section below.
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It's only 800k behind the highly successful PS4 and that's with it being more expensive, less first party support (so far) and two years with chip shortages and the PS4 already had a price drop by this point yet the PS5 has had a price increase, I don't think anyone should be worrying.
Its definitely getting overblown and getting used by certain people (which you will see some of them soon) to try and bring the brand down, but evidence and facts prove otherwise.
So what you are saying is that, within a couple more quarters, PS5 is on course to move ahead of PS4 at the same point in its lifecycle (catch up on that 1m), even without dropping the price of the hardware as it could with PS4 (in fact increasing it in some areas), or releasing a Pro model to get the faithful to double dip?
And this is after not being able to meet demand due to a pandemic?
All sounds like it’s positive to me from a Sony perspective, although not so much for consumers.
I’m in a positive Sony mood.
Just want the Pro Model now and some big AAA Sony Studio campaign games.
The Patriots warned us about the lack of context swimming in an endless sea of data and now here we are!
Anyway, the whole industry growth is slowing isn't it, so Sony needs to work hard with its first party studios to maintain momentum.
It is software, not hardware, that brings in the profits. This has been known for thirty years and is behind the recent explosion in live service games. That is why companies will often knowingly sell a console at a loss.
Or in other words, the fact that the PS5 shipped more than the PS4 briefly is not as important as the actual game sales. And according to Wikipedia's ''bestselling games per console'' list, PS5 is MASSIVELY down on PS4. Go check for yourself.
Console sales are up, game sales are down.
@LifeGirl 286.4 million PS5/PS4 games were sold in FY23, up from 264.2 million in FY22.
Just as a random point of comparison, in FY19, the total was 276 million.
I do think it's true that some people are choosing to play the same games for longer, though. Stuff like Fortnite, Genshin Impact, etc are designed to be played forever, so this probably is having some kind of affect on new game sales. (However, they're still heavily monetised through PS Store, so it's not necessarily a bad thing for PlayStation.)
“The games industry is caught in a tidal wave of negativity, and if you pay attention to social media, you may be forgiven for thinking the sky is falling.”
Social media isn’t the only place that gives off this impression. I often feel like video game journalism itself is just as doom and gloom focused — very much including this website. Don’t get me wrong; there’s a lot of good, informative articles covered on this website too. But Push Square has just as much doom and gloom coverage as social media and many other video game journalism websites do. It’s not as bad as some websites, but it’s certainly not the most positive place to hear information either.
And by the way, this is just feedback. You don’t have to take it if you don’t want to, but I just want to clarify that this is simply feedback in case anyone gets upset at me.
@Kingdom_Hearts95 Sometimes the news is just negative and you can't get a way from it.
The point is providing the context. Some sites reported these Sony financials without adding the context, hence why I made this article.
@LifeGirl
Numbers are fun!
Full-year (12 months ended March 31, 2024)
Net sales: ¥11.3 trillion ($72.2 billion, up 12% year-on-year)
Operating income: ¥1.04 trillion ($6.6 billion, up 5%)
Game & Network Services net sales: ¥4.3 trillion ($27.5 billion, up 17%)
Game & Network Services operating income: ¥290.2 billion ($1.9 billion, up 16%)
Q4 (3 months ended March 31, 2024)
Net sales: ¥2.8 trillion ($17.9 billion, up 9%)
Operating income: ¥203.3 billion ($1.3 billion, up 115%)
Game & Network Services net sales: ¥1.1 trillion ($7.03 billion, up 2.2%)
Game & Network Services operating income: ¥135.8 billion ($868 million, up 172.5%)
Sony should be really concerned about this.
@get2sammyb Yes, it’s true that sometimes the news is just negative. But I wasn’t trying to say we should just get away from it or ignore the negative. No idea where you got that from, but I certainly wasn’t trying to say that. Again, I’m just giving feedback based on the wording of this article. You don’t have to take it if you don’t want to.
Everything is mostly negative online these days. These days you are daily bombarded with bad negative news, and even with good news they will find a way to bring it in a negative way. Those so called YouTube game specialists are the worse, the bring everything to get the clicks in. I try to avoid it but must admit I fall victim to it sometimes and get thrown in the bad vibes.
Let's see what the new strategy will bring for the future. If Nintendo releases a console that matches the graphical power of PS4 pro or PS5, they will really need to bring it all and hopefully this will bring Sony back to the old days with smaller more experimental games.
Some people won't bother buying when they've heard rumors of a PS5 Pro.
I hope pushsquare is soon done with it's "Sony is doing fine" marathon.
I have no question Sony will be doing well financially, but that's not really the relevant concern. I don't care who's top dawg in the business as long as they push eachother, protect employees, innovate the medium and remain pro consumer, but Sony has clearly failed in these regards.
@Martijn87 Yes, that’s very true. Negativity is almost everywhere online nowadays, and people do often try to spin positive news in negative ways. That’s why I try to advocate and focus on positivity. Not to ignore the negative or get away from it, but to have a happier mindset overall because too much negativity can be unhealthy. You said this in a much better way than I could, so thank you for that.
And yeah, if Nintendo’s next console is powerful enough, I think Sony will probably have to rethink their strategy a little. Much of the Japanese market especially likes the portable factor of the Switch, after all. That might cause Sony to consider how they can appeal to customers who find portable gaming a better fit for their lifestyles. That’ll be interesting to see.
It’s during challenging times like that when I try to remind myself that competition is good for the industry, and mistakes companies might make can lead to better outcomes later down the road. I’m hopeful that Square Enix can find more success going forward with their new strategies, as one example. I personally have loved almost everything they’ve released over the past few years, but it’s true that Square Enix’s games haven’t quite reached the financial heights they hoped for.
Part of that may be due to having too high of expectations, but I think that’s debatable. All we can do is wait and see what the future holds, and hope for the best, as you said.
Or how about:
"Reaction: Why You Shouldn't Worry Too Much About PS5's Year-on-Year Decline"
... Because most of us don't have shares in Sony so who tf cares?
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This is why I come to Push Square the context in something like this is super important and it'll be something a lot of other places miss.
I remember when the interim CEO said something like "we're starting the second half of the life cycle" and it was spread as Sony thinking they were coming to the end of PS5's life.
The lack of exclusive games will eventually impact sales. Also, having minimal to no news about their major studios isn't helping either.
It's the attach rate that matters, and time spent per user. Undoubtedly there was pent-up demand caused by pandemic-related supply chain issues, which inflated last year's figures. But the deeper question is whether non-console platforms are eating into the share of gaming as they've long been predicted to do throught titles like Fortnite. A dedicated games console was once an essential piece of youth furniture since 1985, but that may stop being the case. However, big first party titles have been the driver of console sales and there Sony is doing a worse job than it did in the PS4 era. The push into live-service games, many of which have now been scrapped, was a serious mis-step that will take years to correct.
So the PS4 is ahead - hardly surprising. In its lifetime (it's still alive and kicking) the PS4 had the Pro and the Slim launch - providing a 4K capable device and a cheaper alternative.
The PS5 has had the still wonky remodel but there's been no price cut and no 'super charged' model either. That could change if they can be bothered with the Pro (or is it better to just hop on to the 6?)
£480 for a console with 4 year old innards that's now cheaper to make and has a lot of PS4 titles upgraded a bit? Small wonder the sales are dropping. And as for "the PS4’s best-ever Q4 managed just 3.1 million units", what isn't said it that it was a constant, year-on-year performance that just kept growing numbers, levelling off in 2020 when its supposed successor finally appeared.
PS5 pro will sell even less than PS4 pro.
Why You Shouldn't Worry Too Much About PS5's Year-on-Year Decline: Because you're not an investor in Sony and they're not closing their doors tomorrow
@get2sammyb Not to be rude but don't pretend that on this site you don't feed off of clickbait doom titles. You make one about Square Enix at least once a week.
You don't seem to care too much about context in those cases.
@Kingdom_Hearts95 I'm glad someone else pointed it out. The wording struck me as incredibly hypocritical as soon as I saw it.
I mean. It's kinda is problem. Because PlayStation just needs to grow. And when their console userbase shrinks, Sony would need to find it's growth elsewhere. Which means PC of course.
I'm sorry but the internet doesn't allow for context.
Never allow the facts to spoil a good clickbait headline
You know as a kid, I just used to go to the store see a game cover that looked cool buy it with my allowance and play it.
Now as an adult that is unchanged except that I now read reviews and am more careful of purchases.
This should be the limit of how much the average audience cares about games. The health of all industries always remains volatile especially tech, entertainment and consumer electronics of which gaming fits all 3.
I've reached an age where the absolute last thing I could be worried of is the future of mega corporations.
@Godot25 As discussed in the article, things aren't perfect. But there's missing context to a lot of the reporting on these results.
Of course it's declining, at this point I remember ps4 already had price cut, while ps5 not only isn't getting a price cut, but getting a <more expensive> slim version instead.
@sop Also this, why the f are we worried about them, lol.
@get2sammyb Context is pretty simple. PS5 had huge problems with supplies in 2021 and first half of 2022. Sony resolved those problems in late 2022 (around of launch of Ragnarok) and sales shot up in the sky in first three quarters of 2023.
Those increased sales are pretty much response to the fact that console had supply problem at the start. But that time is just over now. Sony had to decrease price of PS5 multiple times late last year (not counting holiday season) to at least get into 20,8 million consoles sold for fiscal quarter (not to mention that they were prepared to create 25 million consoles at the start of fiscal year). Which means that supply is bigger then demand.
It is downhill PS5 from now. I mean. It's not hard to understand. If Sony expects 1 million consoles sold less then in PS4 gen at same time after release, while having new shiny console (PS5 Pro) on the market in fall, you kinda know that they are not expecting instalbase of PS5 to catch up PS4 ever again. And that is if they will even hit their estimates (which they didn't last fiscal year).
Which is not end of the world, but you have to realise, that first-party games costs 3x more than in PS4 gen. All the while you are selling those 3x more expensive games to smaller instalbase.
I think that it's just matter of time when Sony will start making all first-party games on PC day one.
Why would I worry about this?
Well in the USA PS5 is tracking 7% ahead of PS4.
I think it’s more Europe, Germany and UK where PS5 is tracking lower than PS4.
But I’m not surprised the UK £480 price tag won’t help, I think PS4 was about £290 at this time in life cycle. Also Europe, Germany and UK do enjoy FIFA and COD but also a very good big AAA campaign game from Sony studios and that has been quiet lately.
So I’m not surprised that it’s tracking under PS4 a little in Europe, Germany and UK.
I also think Nintendo have done an amazing job with the Hybrid Switch and that has definitely drawn a certain crowd in from UK, more than normal as Nintendo don’t normally do that well in the UK.
I think with this and what I posted above all have an impact.
@OldGamer999 Pricing here in the UK is still very high for a lot of peoples pockets. You would normally expect a £200-300 price range at this point in the lifecycle. Publishers are also still supporting PS4 with major releases, such as COD and Fifa.
If console prices drop and coincides with a move to PS5 gen only, I think sales will increase dramatically.
It's quite unfortunate that Sony seems to be doing so well. Sorry, but I really don't think that modern Sony deserves these ''successes''. However, Microsoft has long since lost their way as well.. Shame to see two big companies go down this road. Oh well.
I wasn’t worried 😆
The year to year decline means less people are buying PlayStation systems...and you said "Not to worry?"....Tell that to Sony.
That's the very reason PlayStation is going is going fully multiplatform depending on PC ports more and more.
PS5 will be lucky to match PS4 numbers long term. I don’t see any sudden influx of new console players coming.
The bigger news, really, is that PS5 is trending down, Xbox is trending down even sharper, and Switch is trending down as they sunset the hardware. PS5 is up in the US only, not because PS is having a massive turn-around in the US vs the rest of the world but because it's the one place Xbox was holding steady but is now bleeding market faster to PS as it's having a WiiU moment. No matter where Sony is, the "context" that people should be more worried about is that the console market itself is cratering in front of our eyes, and PS5 is taking on water less quickly than the burning wreck next to it. And as more time goes on with console gaming decreasing in popularity even if it's due to pricing, economy, no big titles releasing, the less relevant consoles become in the long term as people shift more to mobile, PC, etc. Meanwhile Sony and MS themselves are really lining up around PC almost like they've realized they profit more just selling software and trying to corral it to their user accounts than actually selling hardware.
@get2sammyb How is that "Games sold" metric derived? Is it talking about full retail games only? Does it include DLC, mtx, currency, demo downloads (I.E. the "thanks for your $0 purchase emails associated with demos and Plus games?) etc? Software sales being up doesn't jive with the whole industry under-performing pretty much across the board and seeing profit growth mostly through layoffs and real estate unloading, including Sony. Something funny's going on there in the reporting. Kind of like how they now group advertising with network services to blur where the money is like when MS grouped Xbox and Surface hardware together until that plummeted too.
@Godot25 Putting all their games on PC day one is asking for trouble, it hasn't helped Xbox and it won't help PlayStation. Sony just need to get the costs of there games under control.
@get2sammyb
Good article - number without context can be used to "prove" almost any nonsense!
In regards to Lifetime sales PS4 vs PS5, I would say that the pandemic / chip shortage is now having limited effect (after end of 22, start of 23 sales catch up), but the Cost of living crisis / No permanent PS5 hardware price reduction (mentioned in article) are probably having the biggest effect on this metric now. Just my opinion.
I think it all sound like pretty good going for Sony - but I do wonder how the lack of big Sony exclusives will affect sales for the coming year.
at the end of the day, none of the data even matters. people cherry pick which data to use to prove their point, even though you can make valid arguments for either side of the debate. most would agree that this gen has been at the very least underwhelming if not incredibly disappointing. i have never seen so many people claiming that their current gen machine is collecting dust or that they are still waiting for the generation to truly begin and (hopefully) justify their purchase. i'm seeing more people than ever before fatigued on modern gaming and falling back to the retro scene or going back a few console generations to play far more interesting games on ps2/ps3/wii/ds/3ds etc. or simply catching up on the superior backlog of the ps4. (i am referring to the AAA space of course as indi gaming is doing quite well by comparison).
traditionally it can take as long as 24 months for a console cycle to truly kick into gear (the ps3 was a late starter), but certainly not 42 months (and counting) as we are witnessing with the ps5. at this point, i don't think we should expect the ps5 to get even close to the ps4 as far as total game output, including new IPs, from first party studios. i would argue that we peaked with the ps4 and will need to settle with very different expectations going forward.
we were bombarded with so much marketing and hype to kick off this generation and it has not delivered on any front. even from a hardware perspective, devs are still failing to prioritize or reach smooth framerates in many cases which is embarassing when you consider the power they have to work with now. more power is meaningless if they keep moving the goal posts and strive for fidelity and arbitrary resolutions above all else. the same problem will present itself when the ps6 launches and the new gimmick is 8k resolution. let's not even get into the lack of "current gen-only" software or how stale AAA gaming has become, generally speaking. people are losing interest in the status quo and safe sequels. seems like publishers are as well judging by the uninspired games they are putting out, but they are at a loss on how to course correct. they no longer know how to innovate while pleasing their shareholders at the same time. even with gta 6 looming in the not so distant future, i would be surprised if ps5 manages to overtake ps4 in lifetime hardware sales, despite the market being larger now than what it was 10 years ago.
@Atreus97 Right, most of us are not investors and don't care. We're not in an era where a games company like Sony can go belly up and you're stuck with a console and no new games.
@Jamesblob Sometimes I go to reddit and think I'm alone on this. It seems I'm wrong for rather to still play on consoles (especially PS5) than on PC.
I never cared or wanted to play on PC. My job is to work 9h per day (sometimes more) on PC and the last thing I want to do in my spare time is to stay on PC.
I know every single advantage PC has over consoles and I don't care. I could buy a $2000 or $3000 PC to play in the best possible way any game I want, but why would I? I can't even find time to play on my console and I got a life beyond gaming.
@OldGamer999 Same here! I'm glad not to be alone on that! Besides some first party games from Sony that I'm excited to see, I'm actually even more excited to play the following games:
Actually, I‘m not unhappy with this situation. Imagine PS5 highly successful (with much higher sales numbers than we really see) while Xbox suffering the way it does, resulting in a new Sony Arrogance of an unseen level.
Competition is good, in the console space we need MORE of that!
@Porco "gta 6 looming in the not so distant future, i would be surprised if ps5 manages to overtake ps4 in lifetime hardware sales, despite the market being larger now than what it was 10 years ago."
Considering the new PS boss just said they expect hardware sales to decline going into the second half (even with PS5 Pro likely on tap) it would seem they agree with you.
You nailed it though about pleasing shareholders. Long ago games were pitched based on an interesting idea and the belief that interesting idea would excite people and therefore make money. Now games are designed by board rooms to match shareholder expectations to achieve specific demographic attachments, engagement rates, add-on sales goals. The idea isn't the design core anymore. It's engineered, mass produced fun based on 155 points of measurable fun metrics outlined on page 17 of the summary.
I figure with handheld PCs really gathering steam (pun intended) we're going to start to find the PC and console space coupling together more, and with that, in some ways a much deeded downgrade in target graphics. The escalation of pushing silicon with ever more photorealism just to push it, with no way of making a return on it isn't helping anyone but hardware makers, and at that, the console makers aren't really even benefitting.
@Vault_Mcfly Yeah, I'm 100% with you on your PC feelings. I still find myself considering it with XBox's dubious future, and keep running into those very same feelings. But the internet, and, really, sales figures show there's a ton more PC gamers than console out there. I'm kicking around buying an Ally/Legion just to experiment with what it's like since 2010 or so when I last was in the PC gaming world. A little experimentation can't hurt...right?
Yeah, there is no major catastrophe in sight, but the future does look very challenging for Sony.
Hardware production costs are not falling at the pace that they did in previous generations. That means it is very unlikely that the PS5 will sell nearly as well as the PS4 at the end of the generation.
At the same time, software production costs have increased dramatically.
Now, the PC expansion strategy may be a saving grace in the short to mid-term, but it obviously has an impact on the console's appeal, further contributing to poorer sales in the long term.
And last but not least, the upcoming generation is just not as into consoles as previous generations. Kids love their phones and tablets and Roblox and so on. At that age, I was glued to my sweet Master System controller.
@NEStalgia definitely. we are also seeing a great emphasis on focus testing and curation with many hollwood movies (take superhero movies for example). i'm sure that always existed, but it is just that much more prevelant now and it is hurting all media across the board (you know it when you see it). the brightside is, we as gamers have a plethora of games to go back to from a bygone era. there is enough to keep us occupied for a liftime, including the indie space, so things could be worse all things considered.
i hope you are right about graphical downgrades in the future. something needs to give so that the industry can rebound and get back to what really matters. that said, i can already feel the 8k marketing spiel gathering momentum. most people already have their 4k sets, so it is time that we throw them in the garbage and upgrade for those extra pixels that won't be noticeable by 99% of the population
with all the huge hype coming with GTA VI , with Rockstar skipping pc release on launch and the PS5 pro, releasing just months before that, we can't really predict what the impact on ps sales will be. GTA will be everywhere and pro will look like first option for most new platform buyers. In a year from now, we will know.
Well, I couldn't care less, to be honest. What bothered me for some time is the fact that we are four years into new generation, and I still see no reason to leave my good ol' PS4 behind, i.e. not a single game (or games) that would justify almost $600 purchase.
This year Sony did Microsoft move and decided to spend the whole year without first-party titles.
Death Stranding 2 felt like a reason enough until Kojima showed some characters, and I don't know how I feel about going to Looney Tunes department.
PlayStation will be fine for at least a couple more generations. Their brand loyalty achieved is off the chart, and people wish to keep their trophy lists etc.
They are not really in competition with Nintendo and Microsoft have lots of money but no sense.
In general Sony mean well, they just need to bring down those development times and make games less massive.
Capcom have the right idea.....smaller games you actually want to replay.
Sony would have to do something monumentally bad to lose me, and it will probably only be my embarrassment at playing games at my age that will stop me!
The one thing I don't understand is the need for pro versions mid console cycle. Why not save the development costs, and continue to refine the current consoles abilities?
@Kingdom_Hearts95 They do make alot of companies seem like they are burning to the ground
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Forfty percent of all people know that.
Literally no one cared.
I’m guessing pretty much all of the core PlayStation fan base now owns a PS5.
The real sell for Sony now is attracting the casual gamer and families. I still think the PS5 library is very heavy on story based sandbox games and is lacking in party games, platformers, and colourful stuff.
Most who want a PS5 probably already have one.
Games are so deep now that can spend seemingly an entire console generation on just one or two titles.
Not everybody has disposable funds to purchase games on a whim (while dirt cheap or free ‘indie’ titles not just on console or PC can be quite fun).
Microsoft (not a fanboy of any) isn’t going anywhere. Too much of a behemoth. (Nintendo IMO somewhat of an indirect competitor to both.)
All while has been peaks and valleys with whatever forever.
No one should ever give a crap about a corporation missing its goals even one that makes a product you like. F*** them all.
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